t206 piedmont fact 42 back

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Posted By: <b>pete in MN</b><p>I realize that these backs are regarded as quite a rarity...but should they be? I started looking for them about 8-10 years ago and after aquiring a few I stopped because they seemed relatively easy to find. Between the lenox and the red hindu in scarcity...I don't know?

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Posted By: <b>Robert A</b><p>In my experience, fact 42 is not close to lenox or red hindu.<br />It's not often that you see a red cobb/lenox.<br />robert

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Posted By: <b>Richard Dwyer</b><p>I can't my original post. In the past I brought up the question as to whether or not anyone else had a Factory 42 Piedmont box by Liggett & Myers with an "Allen & Ginter" label on the sides. <br /><br /><img src="http://rdwyer.250free.com/side2.jpg"><br /><br />My belief is that the Factory 42 backs are rare because they were only issued by Liggett & Myers, not American Tobacco. I could be wrong. Anyone have any other Piedmont boxes they can scan and put up to disprove this? My box is Factory 42, 4th district, North Carolina. Tax stamp is dated Aug. 5th. 1909. (No Overprinting)

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I've been looking for them for several years, through I don't know how many thousands of cards and I've found only a handful. They are certainly much tougher than any of the "standard" brands. Since I don't collect rare backs I can't say how they compare to Lenox, red Hindu, etc.

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Posted By: <b>Robert {Bigb13}</b><p>Here's my Cobb Red Background with a Lenox Back. Rob<IMG alt=Untitled11.jpg src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1104206059.JPG"> <IMG alt=Untitled12.jpg src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1104207043.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Robert A</b><p>That's a beautiful card Robert!<br />Thanks for posting it.<br />Robert A

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Posted By: <b>Robert {Bigb13}</b><p>Thank You

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>That is a great card Rob!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Trae R.</b><p>I 3rd that - I <i>almost</i> drooled!

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Posted By: <b>Robert {Bigb13}</b><p>How rare do you guys think this card is? I for one have never seen another one or heard of another one. Rob

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>It is not very rare.<br /><br />Please sell it to me for $1,000.<br /><br />It is only worth $10 ... but I would pay the extra just because I like people who post on this board.<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />(In all seriousness, if you have ANY desire to sell it, please let me know!)

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Posted By: <b>Robert {Bigb13}</b><p>Have you seen another? Rob

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>In all seriousness...<br /><br />the gurus always say that it is EASIER to find "rare back" T206 cards of SUPERSTARS than it is to find them of the common players...<br /><br />since EVERYONE has always saved their Cobb and Mathewson cards... and thrown away their commons ... even back in 1912!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Robert {Bigb13}</b><p>I have never seen another on like it. Rob

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Posted By: <b>BRIANKW</b><p><br /> I have seen the following:<br /><br /><br />6 Red Background Cobb's with Lenox<br />4 Bat Off Cobb's with Uzit <br />4 Carolina Brights<br />4 Drums<br />2 Red Hindu<br />5 Red back Pied 42's<br />3 Bat off Pied 42's<br /><br /><br /> Hope that helps Brian

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Posted By: <b>Trae R.</b><p>I just saw a T206 common PSA3 on eBay for $295 with the piedmont Factory 42 back - are they worth <i>that</i> much?

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>BRIAN:<br /><br />Are those all COBB cards listed in your post??

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>trae: that's pretty high.

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Posted By: <b>BRIANKW</b><p><br /> Hi Hal<br /> Yes. My 3 year old is in my lap, so I can't type what I would like. Big bird gets in the way..... bkw<br /><br /><br /><br />Hi Trae,<br /> Chase isn't a common, and it's a BIN.

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Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>I think they are easier to find than Red Hindus, etc., only because they look so much like the more common Piemdmont varieties, and so many sellers don't realize what they have.

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Posted By: <b>Robert A</b><p>Hey there.<br />Brian: Were some of those the same examples or all separate?<br />What's the breakdown of fronts to backs? You stopped after the first two? Are they red or bat off?<br /><br />I've seen a couple bat off w/ lenox and only one other red w/lenox, but maybe I havn't been looking in the right place.<br /><br /><br />Rob: In terms of this post, I do think your card is rare and even though it is in fair condition is a great piece. This board is interesting because many collectors will start to pull out there t206 rare backs and I start to think "geez, that many people have that front/back combination?" And then I start to realize how many people with "world class" collections contribute to this board. I would love to know how many red portrait with lenox example there are out there, but we'll never really know.<br />Anybody want to take a guess?<br /><br />Rob...I'm jealous.<br />Robert A

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Posted By: <b>BRIANKW</b><p><br /> Hi Rob,<br /> I'm at the coast, so I don't have the red vs bat off breakdown, but I have seen a Red background in ex condition and 1 in a psa 1 holder. I'll try to make a list when I get home. Thanks Brian<br /><br /><br />PS Art has seen more than I have, so maybe he'll chime in....

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Posted By: <b>Robert A</b><p>Brian.<br />Are you putting together a complete set with rare/uncommon backs?

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Posted By: <b>BRIANKW</b><p>YES...... SHH......................