request for OJ photos/info

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Posted By: <b>bcornell</b><p>Request for info from a researcher<br /><br />******************************<br />I am a member of the Society for American Baseball<br />Research (SABR) and I'm currently researching the evolution of glove use in<br />the 19th century. The Old Judge cards (N172) provide some great photos of<br />players with gloves. I've identified several confirmed images of players<br />with gloves. I also have identified several Old Judge cards that may<br />feature players wearing gloves, however due to limited resolution or reduced<br />image size in viewing the images on-line, I can't tell for certain. I'm<br />hoping you or your other forum contributors might have some of these cards<br />and could look to see if the player is wearing a glove or gloves. The list<br />is as follows<br /><br /><br />McTammyCF<br />Traffley, Billcatcher<br />Greercatcher<br />Cub Stricker2B<br />West1B<br />Whitney3B<br />Connell3B<br />Crottycatcher<br />Hallmancatcher<br />Jantzencatcher<br />Phillips1B<br />Leighton, JohnCF<br />Patton, OwenRF<br />Schriver, Popcatcher<br />Brosnan, Timothy2B<br />Duffe, Home Run2B<br /><br />FOr the catchers I would also like to know if the player is wearing 1 or 2<br />gloves or a mask or chest protector. I would also like to know the year of<br />the card (1887-1889).<br /><br />Thank you for your time. Any help would be greatly appreciated,<br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>I have a Trafflet with beautiful resolution in which he is wearing a throwing glove and a catching glove. Let me know if you want a scan. I also have a couple of McTammany's but I cant tell. The rest of the ones I have do not have gloves from the list you mentioned.<br /><br />Rhys

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>I'll try to dig up more but for now here are Patton (1888), Phillips (1887) and Schriver (1887):<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1103739249.JPG"> <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1103739303.JPG"> <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1103739332.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>Thanks, Rhys and Fred. Can anyone else help out?<br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>Kevin Cummings</b><p>Do you want them posted here or emailed?

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>First from memory...<br />I know that Jack Clements (the last full time left handed catcher) caught without gloves for the Phillies. He is pictured on most Old Judge cards without gloves in a catching posistion. I do think he is pictured with gloves in a few but rarely used them if I recall. <br /><br />Pop Schriver (also a catcher for the Phils at times) is pictured both with and without gloves. I can't seem to find my OJ with him in catching posistion but if I recall it does show him with a glove.<br /><br />Pinkey Whitney 3b is pictured usually without gloves (at least on the four poses that I own--not sure about the one with the dog <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.<br /><br /><br />Now going through my Slocum book...<br /><br />Catchers wearing gear:<br />Holbert Brooklyn mask/two gloves 1888<br />Collins NY mask/one glove <br />Broughton St. Pauls two gloves<br />Meyers Indianapolis one glove 1887<br />Lauer Pitts no gloves 1887<br />Mills Milwaukee two gloves<br />Kenyon Des Moines two gloves <br />Clark Washington one glove 1888<br />Sommers Chicago one glove <br />Deasley NY two gloves, mask 1887<br />Farmer St. Pauls one glove <br />Collins Lowells two gloves, chest protector, mask <br />Fields Pitts two gloves 1887<br />Peeples Brooklyn two gloves, mask, chest protector 1887 <br />Gunning A's no gloves<br /><br />Connell 3b one pose I have a picture of has him not wearing a glove and it is from 1888(I think-hard to read)...<br /><br />I hope this helps...keep in mind though that Old Judges were studio pictures and were posed. No doubt some players did not want gloves, masks, chest guards, etc. I have also given a very small sample size. I still hope this is helpful...David Levin's find I am sure has many of the players you are looking for and is searchable by name.<br /><br />-Joshua<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>If you can post them, that's great. I can pass on David's email address if you can't post scans here.<br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Shocking that neither has responded. Dave has quite a few images on his site from the Oregon Find along with images from his pre-Oregon Find inventory. <A HREF="http://gfg.com/LLojfind/">Link to Oregon Find.</A>

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Posted By: <b>Kevin Cummings</b><p><img src="http://members.aol.com/kkkkandp/chief.jpg"><br><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/kkkkandp/lave.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1103777255.JPG"> <br /><br />Here is the Traffley I promised.