T209 oddities what are we?

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Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>several years ago i purchased the 2 items below as 1909 baseball postcards, from the scans provided i assumed they were each T card size and perhaps some type of preproduction mock up. as is evidenced by the penned names and numbers.<br /><br />i was greatly excited when i received them and they were much larger six about 1 1/2 times T card size on heavy stock, not like regular issues. as can be seen 1 contains 2 players from the known T209 color issue, the other contains players from the black and white series as well as one used in the t206 set. these are not black and whites however as they were taken from photographs, whereas these are crude line drawings as used in series 1 &lt;br /&gt; the first strip contains images L to R of beusse(i think) hoffman(series 1 card) doak(could be greensboro) & cooper(series 1 card). the second strip has kite? brooks, tiedeman or tydeman(both are in the B&W issue, but not this pose) and orth which is the identical pose for the t206. <br /><br />MY THEORY is that the unknown "cards" were going to be used in the 2nd series of the color issue that never materialized.<br /><br />these appear to be cut from some type of sheet and have the tops of some block lettering on one of them, again this may have been some type of advertising sheet used to promote the 1st series and perhaps the 2nd as well. i am increasingly more certain that is what these "missing" poses were intended for.<br /><br />they have been postally used! believe it or not! and were mailed and postmarked from wilmington, NC. to a mr & mrs andrews #840 south clinton st syracuse new york, at least i beleive it is syracuse, it is spelled ceracues! the return address is in pencil and hard to read, but appears to say from fred killille? wilmington nc<br /><br /><img src="http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3559477/1104225805347_MVC_067F.JPG"><br /><br />i would like to hear other peoples ideas as to their origin.<br /><br />P.S. i had to outbid 2 oldtime hobbyist to get these so i am fairly certain they were something not seen by them before either.<br /><br /><br /><br />scott

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>I believe those were created in 1982 by the same company that created the "Just So' Cy Young card in 1981.<br /><br />(just kidding, of course!)<br /><br />Those are neat ... and certainly not anything that I have ever seen before. Even if the strips were cut into cards, they would not be exactly like anything I have seen.<br /><br />Let us all know if you ever figure it out!

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Posted By: <b>Robert A</b><p>Scott.<br />Is there anything written on the backs?

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Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>just the addressee and the return address along with postmark and stamp. i'll take a shot tomorrow and post it, it's in pencil and kind of faint.<br /><br />scott

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Posted By: <b>Robert A</b><p>Scott.<br />If you can decipher the writing on the front bottoms and sides, could you include that as well with the info. from the backs.<br />These pieces are really fascinating.<br />Obviously...not sure where they originated or if, in fact, they were intended as a continuation of the first color series (which makes sense to me) but I wonder if one of the players included used these as postcards to correspond with family?

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Posted By: <b>Joe P.</b><p>Hal, and Robert A.<br />The two items are very interesting.<br />I know the set is from 1910, can you make out the date and year on the back?<br />Thank you.

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Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>there is no date, just addressee which is easy to read in fountain pen, the return is in pencil and hard to make out the name, only wilmington, NC is easily distinguishable, the postmark is just a wilmington, nc stamp no date, but it is probably of 1910-11 era. wish i could add more, i really think they are cut from some type of advertisement for the set and there must have been others as the cuts do not match up on any sides.<br /><br />scott

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Posted By: <b>Robert A</b><p>In my opinion, these pieces are truly unique do to the fact that they could possibly unlock some new info. concerning the t209s while at the same time are directly connected to the time period in the form of a postcard. Thanks for sharing them.<br />robert a.

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Posted By: <b>Joe P.</b><p>Speaking about T209's, anyone know who picked up the T209 Mastro lot?