PSA 9 Old Judge on eBay

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=5145255677&rd=1" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=5145255677&rd=1</a><br /><br />I'm not an expert on this issue, but I know I have seen N172's with better fronts than this. Also, the bottom edge doesn't look mint to me. Any thoughts on whether this card is actually mint? What do you think the grade should be?

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I do note that the card is in one of the infamous PSA card condoms, so odds are that even if it was mint at one point, it has bashed around enough in the missized holder to erode it. <br /><br />When is PSA gonna get a clue and get holders that fit?

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Posted By: <b>justcallmeflipper</b><p><a href="http://www.milehighcardcoauction.com/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=2782" target=_new>http://www.milehighcardcoauction.com/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=2782</a>

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Hard to tell from the scan. In the MHC photo, it looks pretty good. I am not speaking about this card because I would have to see it in person, but in general, all three grading companies overgrade Old Judges.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>It's like a Brooklyn Dodgers cap that's supposed to be game worn and looks like it just came from the maker.<br /><br />Ouch! Such corners!

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Posted By: <b>PASJD</b><p>If PSA says it's a 9, it must be a 9. I would be willing to bet this card didn't have corners that sharp the day it was made. But what do I know.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>...did this "phantom trimmer" not clean up the geometry on all those other cards from the same stash?<br /><br />I know the boys at MHCC well enough to really doubt they made up this story or trimmed these cards:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.milehighcardcoauction.com/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=2813" target=_new>http://www.milehighcardcoauction.com/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=2813</a><br /><br />the rest of the group yielded 10 psa 8's and about the same number of 7's and 6's. most of the downgrades seem to be because of imperfect factory cutting<br /><br /><br />skeptism is great, but let's not jump straight to unfounded indictments. ie, I'll take that bet. <br />

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Posted By: <b>PASJD</b><p>I have no reason to question Brian and I admit I had not seen the other information in your link. But I still believe that even if this particular card is legit, a high percentage of PSA 8 and 9 19th century cards, and well into the 20th, are not. Want to take me up on that bet too <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> ??

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Posted By: <b>Brent Butcher</b><p>I won a few of the Old Judge boxing cards from the same batch of cards and they look fine to me. The psa 6 Kilrain I won was downgraded because of two small stains on the back likely from the cigarette packaging otherwise it is nmt/mt. I like to have all of my 19th century cards in SGC slabs and was wondering how much SGC downgrades for these tobacco stains?

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Don't try to find out unless you designate the cards as do not crack open unless it achieves an equivalent grade--SGC hammers cards for stains, rightfully so IMHO--but hammer them it does nonetheless.

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Posted By: <b>Brent Butcher</b><p>Oh yeah, received the cards Adam. They look great! I highly recommend Adam when it comes to buying, selling or trading.

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>That if some people on this board didn't have PSA to b*tch and moan about then half the posts would be gone.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>I got some of the cards from the MHC auction, both baseball and boxing, and there were no problems. The cards were beautiful.

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Posted By: <b>DD</b><p>No bitching involved. Just want to learn more about the issue. I have seen OJ's with better registration and darker colors and want to know why this one got a mint grade.<br /><br />By the way, saying people are bitching, is also bitching. Thanks for joining the crowd.

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Posted By: <b>CowboyNealatdawheel</b><p>...for an OJ it's pretty darn nice.<br />remember that they were not printed with color plates needing proper registration, rather via the photgraphic process. some may be darker, but the contrast is decent and the image does not look to be faded much from the original development... and the focus looks OK to me.<br /><br />I would defer to the real OJ experts around here though.