Joe Jackson Pinkerton in EX+

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>With the chatter on the other thread about what an SGC 98 Joe Jackson 1914 Cracker Jack card is worth...<br /><br />I am wondering what you guys and gals think a Joe Jackson Pinkerton in EX+ would sell for?<br /><br />I have a friend who has a friend who has a friend who thinks he knows where one is and might be available, but I know nothing about these cards or there values.<br /><br />Thoughts?<br /><br />Are they rare? Popular?<br />

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p><img src="http://www.blackbetsy.com/imagefarm/1911pinkerton-1.gif"><br />THIS is NOT the actual card that I am talking about... just a picture of what a T5 Pinkerton Joe Jackson looks like from the "Black Betsy" website.<br /><br />Then again ... maybe THEY got this image from the person who owns the one I am hearing about??

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>You of all people should know that items this rare are very hard to put a price tag on. It's all about where 2 people would take it to in an auction. With the other things I have seen sold I think it would be in the 5k-10k range, and most likely somewhere in the middle. Could it be less, maybe, could it be more, maybe...it's a great pose none the less......later

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Leon:<br /><br />It is not his "rookie" card, so I wasn't kidding when I said that I know NOTHING about these cards or how rare they are or what size they are or even who else is in the set. Heck, I don't even know what year they were made!<br /><br />I just know that people I know have been raving about the possibility of having one come on the market... so I figured that they must be something you folks would be interested in. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Anyone else with ideas of price or value?

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>$15K+, and you never know what will happen if a few people lock horns on it...

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>I would put it in Mastro and let it ride - like Dred says, the price could go higher if the right people lock up. <br /><br />As rare as T5's are, they just don't seem to command the prices they "should". The Bender and Mack that keep showing up on ebay are good examples - I wouldn't think $1.2K would be out of line for either one, but no one's interested.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>the 10 - 15k range is more like it and items as such... that show Jacskon in a true image, definetly brings more.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>estimate in the $7500-$10K range. I've had 20-30 of them over the years but it's hard to gauge a Jackson against commons or HOFers. There was one in either Copeland or another of those auctions. Not sure what it sold for.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bryan</b><p>is going to bring a high amount of cash. I happen to have a fried egg snadwich that when it's removed from the bread looks very close to joe jackson that I sold to a major auction house for 15K. I got the sandwich from my grandfather who happen to find it in an old chest in the attic a few years ago. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Would that be Shell-less Joe Jackson?<br /><br />Tom: Are you saying that you have had 20-30 T5's of OTHER players... or that you have actually seen that many JOE JACKSON T5's?

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Posted By: <b>Scott Elkins</b><p>prices realized sheets. I still have the catalog that one was sold in from Mastro. In fact, I bid on the T5 Cobb stretching out - I think I was the under bidder on that one. Then, decided not to bid any more, b/c another lot caught my eye. Anyway, I know most of you would think my guess would be high. But, it is somewhere in the middle (b/c these are as popular as CJ's, and this one isn't Gem Mint). $7500-$12500 range I would think. If I was buying, I would try to get it under $10k to leave some room for future profit.

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Posted By: <b>ErikV</b><p><br /> A T5 Pinkerton Joe Jackson card listed in VG-EX condition sold in a July 2000 Mastro auction for $6,412! (No, I was not the winner.)

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Thanks Eric and others!<br /><br />Tom: I would still like to clarify your thoughts, as these may not be as scarce as I thought if you have seen 30 Jackson T5's.<br /><br />Thanks!

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Posted By: <b>John Spencer</b><p>Hal, not sure if it helps or not but I picked up a T5 Pinkerton of Wagner from (who else) Mastro about 5 years ago. I would say it is in ex condition and I paid about $6500 for it. Of course, part of the cachet of the card is that it is a tobacco issue. If I had to guess a Jackson in ex+ would be in the $8-9K range and probably in order of rarity only second to the T210 Old Mill.

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Thanks John!<br /><br />I guess Tom is too busy driving the big brown truck around to answer me? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />It sounds from everyone else's answers that Tom was saying that he had seen "20-30 different T5's of various players" ...<br /><br />and NOT that he had seen 20-30 different T5's of Joe Jackson.<br /><br />That makes me feel a little better about scarcity of the card. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>what about the Texas Tommy Joe Jax? The only TT I've ever seen of Jax was the one I owned, not that aren't others out there, but I've seen a couple of Pinkerton cards and the t210 only once.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>OK, same question for the Texas Tommy Joe Jackson... Fair Price for one in EX+?<br /><br /><img src="http://www.blackbetsy.com/imagefarm/jjtexastommy.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>the next question is, type 2s are supposed to be harder than type 1s, but the one Hal pictured and mine are both type 2s, so who has a type 1 for comaprison?<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>And again, that is NOT my card (I WISH)... but I got the image off of BlackBetsy.com<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>Sorry I wasn't more specific in my 'splaining on that one.....I've had 25-30 of them in my collection over the years but no Joe Jacksons. They're hard to find anyway mounted for ANY player, much less Joe Jackson. Bryan Dec had a horizontal posed Chick Gandil I believe but sold it before I could get ahold of him. I've had Cobb and 5-6 different HOFers but none have sold for what a Jackson would sell for. I saw a Mathewson autographed on the back once that sold for LARGE coin. <br /><br />Not driving any trucks......almost had to go to Canada to help out with a 1.5 day strike but that got called off.