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11-15-2004, 12:15 PM

Posted By: DDI'm sure we all have a list of cards that are tougher than the T-206 Wagner. Here are mine: 1932 US Caramel Lindy Lindstrom T-206 Doyle Nat'l variation 1948 Leaf Boxing Rocky Graziano Any 1951 Topps Ringside Boxing with a puzzle back What are your lists for cards tougher than the Wagner?

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11-15-2004, 12:20 PM

Posted By: Hal Lewis1869 Peck & Snyder Cincinnati Ty Cobb T206 w/ "Ty Cobb" back (11 known) E107 Cy Young card (4 known) Heck, probably just about EVERY E107 card, now that I think about it! And... probably just about every card that LEON owns! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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11-15-2004, 12:30 PM

Posted By: Andy BaranThere are MANY, MANY, MANY cards that are more scarce than the T206 Wagner. In fact, I would suggest that there are hundreds of cards that are more scarce. Hal, There are more than 11 Peck & Snyder Red Stockings known. The number is closer to 25, and is probably slightly more than that. There are also more than 4 E107 Cy Young's. I know where at least 6 of them are.

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11-15-2004, 01:18 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisAndy: Please share your knowledge about this E107 hoard with all of us! Inquiring minds want to know! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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11-15-2004, 01:27 PM

Posted By: runscottif each person on this board had the goal to own a single card that is rarer than the t206 Wagner, I think we could each do it without breaking the bank. I have owned several, but had to purchase them with food stamps. It's a scam: I go in the 7-11 with a "large" stamp and buy twinkies (which is totally legitimate). I then use the change to buy cigarettes, beer (lots of beer) and lotto tickets. I stuff my lotto winnings in the back closet of my trailer until I have enough to buy a card. Tough life, but I'm happy and my dog eats premium food.

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11-15-2004, 01:28 PM

Posted By: Marc S.Perhaps some might consider it simply an overprint - but it is one of the few issues where a caramel card was overprinted and became a bread issue. I don't know of any hoardes of the cards - and I would almost suggest that there are less total Niagra Baking cards out there (of all players) than there are T-206 Wagner cards.

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11-15-2004, 01:37 PM

Posted By: J LevineLummis Peanut Butter '51 Current All Stars (phillies) Drum t-205 of any card Fatima Large format team cards I could go on and on... Wagner is rare but there are definitely rarer cards and sets...

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11-15-2004, 01:39 PM

Posted By: Andy BaranHal, I'm not sure that all of the owners of the E107's out there would like to be outed on the board. Many collectors are more private about their collections than you or I. I can tell you that several of the owners do not participate on this board at all.

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11-15-2004, 02:02 PM

Posted By: PASJDA PSA 9 Allen and Ginter that wasn't altered in some way (not counting overgraded ones).

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11-15-2004, 03:05 PM

Posted By: jay behrensTarzan Bread complete boxes of 1930s Wheaties. I owned probably the only known complete collection in box form, which I am sure has long since been broken up. complete set of Cloverleaf Dairy on cartons. I bought Gavin Reily's when he sold his collection and is probabley the only set in that condition. Just about any e104-3. I own an uncatalogued one <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Jay I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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11-15-2004, 03:08 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the Ninthvirtually any pre war card in an 8 or better that has not been assisted in some way. But my pick is the Old Mill Shoeless Joe.

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11-15-2004, 04:09 PM

Posted By: Andrew“A smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.” - English Proverb

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11-15-2004, 04:35 PM

Posted By: JeffAny So Toguchi or Miguel Cairo 1/1 card is probably the toughest card out there. I know I do a lot more lurking than posting, but please don't think I'm serious on this one.

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11-15-2004, 04:46 PM

Posted By: eric p.my picks are the t210 jackson and the t210 stengel, and if you have either i pay CASH!

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11-15-2004, 04:57 PM

Posted By: Mark McClearyThe '04 (that's 2004 not 1904) UD Lebron/Kobe card...only 1 survives and only 1 was made. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1821931&partnersite=espn" target=_new>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1821931&partnersite=espn</a>

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11-15-2004, 05:05 PM

Posted By: warshawlawBaseball: Any 1928 PCL Exhibit is rarer than the Wagner, and I happen to have one to share (see my dog-eared Earl Averill below), Any 1923-24 Exhibit baseball also is rare as heck. A few boxing favorites: N60 Our Little Beauties, N338 SF Hess, N167 Old Judge horizontal back, T229 Kopec, E211 York Caramel. Read all about them in my book (shameless plug). <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1100567054.JPG">

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11-15-2004, 05:06 PM

Posted By: Richard MassonOld Judge Anson in uniform Old Judge Cabinet Connie Mack Any Just So Detective Comics # 1

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11-15-2004, 06:53 PM

Posted By: dennis<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44861&item=5108908701&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44861&item=5108908701&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW</a> [edited to fix link]

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11-15-2004, 07:12 PM

Posted By: Jay Miller--Any N173 --Probably 50 Old Judge player cards if you don't consider poses and a very high percentage of all individual poses --All 4 Base Hits --All Kalamazoo Bat --Certainly all Hancock Clothing --All Yum Yums, All G&Bs There's over a thousand and I'm not even warmed up. Unfortunately, there is also a demand side in the value calculation.

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11-15-2004, 07:30 PM

Posted By: Dan Kotelesevery Mello Mint... but Knight and Bescher ? ...haa? all e103's too !!! W/O question all Boston Garters and t 208 Firesides...too many more to mention. Most Tip Tops 1910 Champs , that is....

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11-15-2004, 08:11 PM

Posted By: murcerfan...of so few. scads of regionals like Hunters and Felins and even a few of those topps "test issues". but in terms of importance of player and issue..not so many. maybe The T210 Shoeless, maybe the N338-2 Ewing <img src="http://members.tripod.com/TheSportsCardBroker/N338Ewing.jpg">

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11-15-2004, 08:39 PM

Posted By: Julieand here's another ewing--just like the last one! <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/N3382.jpg"> Any page from the Goodwin Round Album. Any N167 Old Judge

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11-15-2004, 10:23 PM

Posted By: brian pI would hazard to state that somewhere between 10 to 15 percent of the pre-Goudey era cards that were issued are scarcer than the T206 Wagner. That might seem impossible, but take a look at the incredible array of pre-1930 issues listed in the SCD Catalog and then ponder when the last time cards from some of these sets were offered for sale. Not just sets of cards, but individual cards. Even such a lowly strip card as that ugly W9316 that I pointed out in a previous thread is not going to have 50+ floating out there. To collect more than 3500 of the nearly 4000 Zeenuts issued is an incredibly rare feat. Just a couple of examples, but there are countless examples out there. Just be glad there is a T206 Honus to gobble up all the limelight. Brian

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11-15-2004, 11:02 PM

Posted By: Colt McClellandE90-1 Mitchell E90-1 Graham E90-1 Sweeney, Boston E97 Sullivan, Boston . . . just to name a few.

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11-16-2004, 10:23 AM

Posted By: PASJDBoston Garter Joe Jackson. By the way does anyone know how many of the Topps Test '68 basketball were really made?

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11-16-2004, 10:41 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisBoston Garter Joe Jackson 1913-14 color version!! MMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!! Does anyone have a good idea of how many of these are floating around out there???

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11-16-2004, 12:28 PM

Posted By: Anonymouswhat about e97 b/w's. How many of these exist?

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11-16-2004, 12:38 PM

Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)any of 'em, hell maybe all of them combined

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11-16-2004, 03:22 PM

Posted By: MarkLet's try something a bit more difficult. How about Wagners that are tougher than Wagner? Somebody has already mentioned Tip Top and Wiliams Caramel. Does the board generally agree that they are both tougher than Wagner? Disagree? How about a list of Wagners tougher than Wagner in order of difficulty?

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11-16-2004, 04:01 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisToughest: Reccius Wagner (1897?) Only one known to exist. Pretty hard to be "tougher" than that!

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11-16-2004, 05:37 PM

Posted By: Chris B.E107 Wagner's have to be right behind the Henry Reccius - are there more than 10 or so E107s known to exist?

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11-16-2004, 06:09 PM

Posted By: Tim S.How about the M131 Baltimore Newsboy Wagner?

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11-16-2004, 07:49 PM

Posted By: PaulI have three Wagners that I believe to be rarer than "the" Wagner -- an E125 American Caramel, an M110 Sporting Life cabinet, and a D381 Fleischmans Bakery card.

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11-16-2004, 10:04 PM

Posted By: brian pGo to this link for HOF vintage bb cards created by Brett Domue <a href="http://members.aol.com/metsbwd/hofers.html" target=_new>http://members.aol.com/metsbwd/hofers.html</a> and check out the cards listed for Honus Wagner. If you include all the back variations for related sets (for example all the M101-4's with their myriad of issuers), you probably come closer to 30% of Wagner's cards are less common than his T206. And that's not including all the postcards, pins, felt thingees, etc. Brian

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11-16-2004, 10:10 PM

Posted By: brian pChecking over the list again, probably closer to 50%. May each and every one of us own at least one. Brian

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11-17-2004, 02:21 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisUnless... we are talking about the TRULY rare, one-of-a-kind, TRIMMED T206 Wagner in a PSA 8 capsule. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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11-17-2004, 10:53 AM

Posted By: jay behrensRichard, Detective Comics #2 is rarer than #1. Unless there was a find of them in the last 5 years, there are only 3 known extant copies, 2 more without covers and one cover with no insides. Jay I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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11-17-2004, 11:51 AM

Posted By: Joe P.May I Make a Suggestion?

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11-17-2004, 12:12 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisFunny, Joe P.! I've got some peanut butter... and you've got some chocolate... what if we COMBINED the two???? <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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11-17-2004, 12:57 PM

Posted By: Joe P.I know nothing about chocolate, but I found it in my grandfathers attic. Can you tell us someting about your peanut butter? Is it of proof quality? Can we get the combination authenticated by PSA/DNA?

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11-18-2004, 12:04 AM

Posted By: jay behrensJoe, not sure how much you know about comic collecting, but the Cover is everything when it comes to comics. A comic without a cover is almost worthless, but a cover by itself has some value. In this case, with such a rare item, The persons with the insides are not about sell it for less than half the value that comic would have once it is put with a cover. The person with cover refuses to pay that price, thus a Mexican Standoff until these items are in the hands of new owners. Personally, I never understood why the cover should carry the premium. I'd rather have insides with the story. Jay I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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11-18-2004, 05:01 AM

Posted By: John SpencerI feel there may be 2 tobacco cards rarer than the T206 Honus: the T5 Pinkerton Cabinet (believe it or not I have one)and the T216 with either a Mino or Virginia Brights reverse. Also I suspect that the Texas Tommy is rarer as is the Mother's Bread Wagner. Sadly, I don't have any of these jewels.