NON HOF ALL-TIME TEAM

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Posted By: <b>Darren J. Duet</b><p>What combination of non-hof but hof eligible would make up your NON HOF ALL-TIME TEAM?

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>Chavez..3rd base<br />Tejada...short stop<br />Hoy...center field<br />Left field...need you ask? (Joe Jackson)<br />Bonds...Outfield<br />McGwire...first base. Elephant with great arms and soft hands.<br />P. Caruthers<br />p. Cicotte<br />Do Clemens and Pedro count?--shooins. (funny how we call "Clemens" by his last name and "Pedro" by his first name--I guess because of the miriad "Martinez"es!<br />c: Pudge Rodrigez<br />2nd base: I dunno. Move someone over from short...<br />outfield: O'Neill<br />3rd base: Graig Nettles <br /><br />Suspect 19th century fielders: Hoy is supposed to have been great. I don't even know what position O'Neill played, but he sure could hit. Hoy can call him off the ball ( he could too!)

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Julie, although I agree that some of your listed players are great, the "rules" said HOF eligible... many of your listed are still active and therefore not eligible... Not trying to be an @ss but figured I'd point it out!

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Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>C Ted Simmons<br />1B Don Mattingly<br />2B Ryne Sandberg<br />SS Bill Dahlen<br />3B Ron Santo<br />OF Jim Rice<br />OF Rip Van Haltren<br />OF Lefty O'Doul<br />SP Charlie Buffinton<br />SP Deacon Phillipe<br />SP Ed Reulbach<br />SP Lon Warneke<br />SP Carl Mays<br />SP Sam Leever<br />RP Lee Smith<br />RP Goose Gossage<br />RP Bruce Sutter<br /><br />RES Dave Parker<br />RES Jimmy Ryan<br />RES Mike Donlin<br />RES Vern Stephens<br />RES Joe Torre

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>Don't guys lose their eligibility after a while? I know, I have 4-5 active players...

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Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>Julie,<br /><br />You have active players, players who have been retired for less than 5 years, and banned players on your list. Players in any of these categories are not eligible for the HOF.

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Posted By: <b>Brian H (misunderestimated)</b><p>C: Deacon White (also 3B later in his career), Ted Simmons<br />1B Richie Allen (also OF)<br />2B Ryne Sandberg<br />3B Ron Santo<br />SS: Bill Dahlen<br />OF : Dale Murphy<br />OF : Pete Browning<br />OF : Harry Stovey/George Gore (great scorers)<br />P: Bobby Caruthers (also played outfield well)<br />P: Bert Blyleven<br />P: Jack Morris<br />P: Tony Mullane<br />RP: Bruce Sutter, Rich Gossage <br />PH/DH: Jim Rice, Tony Oliva<br />U: Geo Van Haltren, Jimmy Ryan<br />MGR: Billy Southworth (Technically I think Torre and COx are not yet elgible as Managers although Torre may belong notwithstanding his managing)<br />I'd also add Unpire Hank O'Day<br /><br />Also, I would probably include some Negro League players (Biz Mackey, Mule Sutles and Cristobal Torreinti for starters) on this list but I'll let someone else make that call.

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>I don't believe J Jackson was banned from the HOF; just for life. People just sort of took it from there....

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>........there was no H.O.F.<br /><br /><br />How about Thurman Munson on that team?

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>it canme into existance--there were very few seconds.

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Posted By: <b>Matt Goebel</b><p>From the Negro Leagues:<br /><br />C Biz Mackey<br />1B Mule Suttles<br />2B Newt Allen<br />SS Dick Lundy<br />3B Oliver Marcelle<br />OF Cristobal Torriente<br />OF Pete Hill<br />OF Willard Brown<br />DH Jud Wilson<br />P Dick Redding<br />P Jose Mendez<br />P Ray Brown<br />P Nip Winters<br /><br />And all are worthy HOF candidates!

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Posted By: <b>PASJD</b><p>C Joe Torre<br />1b Don Mattingly<br />2b Pete Rose (Ryne Sandberg if Rose is outside the question)<br />Ss Bert Campaneris<br />3b Ken Boyer<br />Of Joe Jackson(Tony Oliva if Jackson is really ineligible)<br />Of Jim Rice<br />of Lefty O'Doul<br />P Sal Maglie<br />P Luis Tiant<br />P Bert Blyleven<br />P Vida Blue<br />P Don Newcombe

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Posted By: <b>Pcelli60</b><p>1B Hodges<br />2B Milan<br />3B Santo<br />SS Dahlen<br />OF Jackson<br />OF Rose<br />OF O'Doul<br />C Simmons<br />P Phillippe<br />

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>P - Jack Morris<br />P - Bruce Sutter<br />OF - Andre Dawson<br />OF - Dale Murphy<br />OF - Jim Rice<br />1b - Don Mattingly<br /><br />These guys were DOMINANT in their days.<br /><br />Too bad their "days" were not in the big era of national TV coverage by ESPN.<br /><br /><img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><a href="http://ChristianDemocrats.com" target=_new>http://ChristianDemocrats.com</a>

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Posted By: <b>Gary B.</b><p>and I'm sure some many here would disagree, is (besides Pete Rose and Joe Jackson), there is no one on anyone's non-HOF list here that is just a screamingly obvious choice for inclusion. What this says to me is that everyone who is a very obvious choice makes it in, and many who are questionable or borderline make it in, but everyone who is a top tier level player ALWAYS makes it into the hall. I think it's interesting when people use the argument of someone being dominant in their time, as I don't think that's a great reason to let someone in. While Gary Carter (to use an example) may have been the dominant catcher of his era, is that reason enough to let him in? I'd be just fine with there being years, or even several year periods where you just don't let anyone in at all because they don't qualify. It's really sad that the standards of the Hall have been brought down by letting in some borderline players that never should have made it in the first place as it allows players of a similar ilk to then be let in. Of course no true hall of fame is complete without Rose and Jackson, but that's IMHO of course...

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Posted By: <b>qualitycards.com</b><p>"I'd be just fine with there being years, or even several year periods where you just don't let anyone in at all because they don't qualify"<br /><br />GARY - I agree!<br /><br />However to have a year go by and have no one elected into Cooperstown would be a bad business decison for the Hall Of Fame. They generate huge revenue w/ each years induction. There are thousands of visitors during HOF weekend and all pay admission to visit the Hall be it individually or through membership. They issue commemorative bats, plates, lithos, FDC's and yearly programs. Plus the town is also connected. Local hotel/motel/B&B's are sold out months in advance, the resturants and local business thrive as well.<br />Quite frankly it puts Cooperstown on the map, even ESPN covers the induction ceremonies. To many, not having a HOF yearly induction is like not having a World Series.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Why wouldn't you include the dominant players of their era in the HOF. It's impossible to truely compare players across eras. All you can really do is compare them to their contemporaries. If they are the best when they played, then they should be in the HOF. <br /><br />Right now, the most egregious omissions are Morris, the best pitcher of the 80s, Sutter who is one of the all-time great closers, and Rice. No batter was as feared as Rice until Barry Bonds. Pitchers would rather face Schmidt, Brett or any of the other great hitters of day rather than have to pitch to Rice. That alone should get you in the HOF.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p> I really like the idea of " off years" at the Hall. Publicity and local economy not withstanding..

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>i think they could easily add another 25 worthy players. morris,rice,sutter should be in.cramer, blyleven,kaat,parker,cravath,sandberg,maris, hodges,minoso,dom dimaggio(he lost 3 prime years to military service). why keep these guys out?

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Posted By: <b>Darren J Duet MD</b><p>C Thurman Munson<br />1B Don Mattingly<br />2B Ryne Sandberg<br />SS Bert Campanerias<br />3B Bill Madlock<br />OF Andre Dawson<br />OF Jim Rice<br />OF Dale Murphy<br />OF Dave Parker<br />Ut Jim Thorpe<br />SP Ron Guidry<br />SP Dave Stieb<br />SP Steve Rogers<br />SP Jack Morris<br />RP Jeff Reardon<br />DH Cecil Cooper<br /><br />I believe that the HOF should be limited to a certain number of players Period. Let's say 50 -- any new inductee would mean someone would be coming out and become a HOF vet, but not active HOF -- The cream would stay cream. No guaruntees in making it in and not guarantees staying in. It would truly be the HONOR it was meant to be.

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Posted By: <b>Pcelli60</b><p>I like your Sandberg, Rice, Parker, Munson, Morris, and I would add Ted Simmons..However I would rather see Concepcion instead of Campy. No Madlock, Dawson, Murphy, Carter, Mattingly..

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>without thinking too hard and going from the top of my head:<br /><br />C-Boone<br />1B-Hrbek<br />2B-Grich or Sandberg. really tough to choose<br />3B-Santo<br />SS-Trammel<br />OF-Rice<br />OF-Oliva<br />OF-Parker<br />SP-Morris<br />SP-Rogers<br />SP-Stieb<br />SP-Byleven<br />RP-Sutter<br /><br />Of those, I think Grich, Sandberg, Santo, Rice, Morris and Sutter belong in the HOF<br /><br /><br />Jay<br><br>I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.