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09-21-2004, 01:59 PM

Posted By: Bob Lemke  Bugger all! I've just been informed by John Billingsley that virtually the entire T207 listing in the new (2005) SCBC is wrong. In trying to eliminate the "wrong back" Carrigan and Wagner cards, the prices were not deleted. The result is that every T207 price from #(26) through (18) is two lines too high, and from #(182) through the end of the set is three lines too high. I'll get a corrected version printed in SCD in the next month or so for your future reference, but this is going to confuse a lot of casual collectors. Look on the bright side, maybe you can sell your Otto Millers for $600 and buy your Ward Millers for $30. Damn!

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09-21-2004, 06:34 PM

Posted By: warshawlawBesides, no one uses your prices anyway for T207s or E cards <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-21-2004, 07:44 PM

Posted By: leonHey Bob, We all make mistakes and at least you came out publicly before most have seen it/them. I got mine in the mail today and you've made some great additions. The pricing looks to be a lot better too. More closely tied to real world prices. I think I can help you out on a few very minor discrepancies that only us real die hard addicts would know about. Great job though.....(and thanks).......best regards

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09-21-2004, 07:59 PM

Posted By: bcornellGot mine, too, and am glad to have it. T207's have been slighted for 92 years... they're used to it by now. Bill

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09-21-2004, 08:09 PM

Posted By: J LevineUh Oh...I can see it now, 95 years from now on ebay... 2005 SCD Bible 1A error book...ultra rare, found in my grandfathers old footlocker and handed down to me, I know nothing about cards or books but it has been graded PSA 11 OC and the SMR is $1000. -Joshua

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09-21-2004, 09:18 PM

Posted By: JulieThey just upgraded mine to 2-day shipping, and took away the shipping costs, but that isn't going to do me any good if they don't have the book. Which they don't yet, they say. Amazon.com is usually SO fast. But I never ordered the Standard Catalogue from them before. Estimated time of delivery WAS Sept 20-21. No books yet. Oh well...

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09-21-2004, 09:39 PM

Posted By: AdamBaxterI tried to order the 2005 SC from Amazon.com, but they don't have it in stock yet and I cancelled because I believe the SHIPPING date wasn't until 9/27. They are in stock at WalMart.com, so I placed an order for mine and I should get it between 9/27-10/1. I used WalMart's standard shipping, so it's basically the same price as it would be at Amazon with the Free SuperSaver shipping.

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09-21-2004, 09:55 PM

Posted By: JohnJust for the record I will be selling all my Otto Millers for less than book at around $425.00 each. All Otto's are on a first come first serve basis.

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09-21-2004, 10:45 PM

Posted By: Adam J. BaxterI passed on Amazon and placed an order for the 2005 scd from WalMart.com because their website said they had it in stock, only to find out an hour later that it's on backorder and they don't know when they will be shipping.

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09-22-2004, 04:53 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisJosh Levine said: Uh Oh...I can see it now, 95 years from now on ebay...2005 SCD Bible 1A error book...ultra rare, found in my grandfathers old footlocker and handed down to me, I know nothing about cards or books but it has been graded PSA 11 OC and the SMR is $1000. THIS IS FUNNY!!! But would Bob Lemke then have the even more rare "PROOF" of the book?

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09-22-2004, 07:17 AM

Posted By: Julie2-day delivery. I don't have time to call them--in fact, it's probably too early in the morning--and find out if if that's just whistling in the dark, or whether they really have the books now. Later.

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09-22-2004, 08:05 AM

Posted By: Bob LemkeI appreciate your support. Sad to say the "proof" versions (there are actually three) were trashed after the book was on press. I'd love to see if the error showed up on any or all of them. I can't believe that I looked at those pages three different times -- and that the company's professional proofreaders went over the final set with a fine-tooth comb -- and didn't notice the missing prices for cards #198-200, which would have tipped me that something was amiss. It is virtually certain that a "corrected" version of the book will be issued. Pre-orders for the edition have eaten up more than half the press run already. We had to go back to press with the 2004 book, and will certainyl do so again. For those who invest in annually obsoleted reference boos/door stops, the smart money is on the 2nd printing, which will likely be only 10% of the first. As always, your comments, criticisms, corrections, additions, enhancements, questions, etc., are always welcome. You can e-mail me or post them here.

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09-22-2004, 08:21 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisIf that is the ONLY mistake in a book the size of the Gutenburg Bible... then I commend you and say "Keep up the good work!" Of course, I follow this up with... "Ditch the post-1980 stuff and just make a "VINTAGE" version so that I can STOP carrying around a book as HEAVY as the Gutenburg Bible! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-22-2004, 10:16 AM

Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)Overall great reference--lose (publish elsewhere) the modern stuff, please.

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09-22-2004, 11:18 AM

Posted By: leonHey Bob, Ya'll might at least consider (don't know how cost prohibitive it would be) doing 2 volumes, vintage major and minor leagues, and then shiney crap. Ya'll could shrink wrap the volumes together so we still have to buy them both, if you must. You could charge .50 extra, make all of us happy, and possibly make a few cents on it. Just a thought....and I know you have stated previously that there is no way ya'll will do this. Doesn't hurt to ask again though....take care.

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09-22-2004, 08:49 PM

Posted By: ElliotI agree with Leon...I think it's a great idea, and there would be no loss in revenue.

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09-22-2004, 10:14 PM

Posted By: tbobThe most ingenious way of eliminating all cards from 1940 to the present from the SCD book and stil maintaining a tight, usable guide.

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09-23-2004, 12:45 AM

Posted By: hankronI beleive a problem is the cost of binding. Binding twice would be cost prohibitive.

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09-23-2004, 06:42 AM

Posted By: warshawlawThat way, we could print the parts we want and skip the rest??

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09-23-2004, 07:01 AM

Posted By: ockdayHow about printing it in it's current form and also unbound with 3 holes punched so it can be put into binders. This way you can divide it up any way you like.

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09-23-2004, 08:19 AM

Posted By: Scott ForrestSlice off the back half with a carpet cutter or strong x-acto knife, then slice off the vintage minor league section. Tape the two together and put a wide piece of tape over the binding - works perfectly. Heck, you only use these things for a year - they don't have to look pretty.

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09-23-2004, 09:22 AM

Posted By: dan mckeeno sweat Bob, thanks for the heads up, Dad and I have the data to correct the entire diamond star section with the correct variations and printed dates on the back bottom of the issue. What is my deadline to get this to you for the 2006 book? Dan.

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09-23-2004, 12:19 PM

Posted By: Bob LemkeThanks for the Diamond Stars update, Dan. Since this will require considerable effort to reformat, I'd have to have all data in hand by Dec. 31. Generally when the calendar changes over to the New Year, all my efforts go into price updating, rather than listing enhancements.

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09-23-2004, 12:56 PM

Posted By: pstewart@kmob.comI really like the loose leaf idea. Everyone could be responsible for their own 3 ring binder, or Krause could also sell a three ring binder with the Standard Catalog name on the outside that people could purchase if they want. Does this sound feasible, Bob? Perhaps it could be published in both bound and loose leaf formats.

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09-23-2004, 01:02 PM

Posted By: runscottI would like to see pre-war only, higher-quality paper, (loose-leaf would have advantages) with room to the side of the price guidelines to add my own prices - perhaps room to add 2-3. This would be absolutely perfect for my needs - I would have base prices from SCBC and could update with what I considered to be market changes. In fact, it might be good for Mr. Lemke, as we could send our "marked up" catalogs back to Krauss as 'data input' for them to consider for their revisions. Yes, the above is 'dreamworld', but the producers need to know what we're thinking.

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11-10-2004, 01:22 PM

Posted By: Nick M.Anythoughts on the updated pricing published in SCD? My offer is still good on the pricing for Almeida. I wil pay full book price. A near mint Almeida for $600? VG for $90? All day, send them to me! Nick

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11-10-2004, 02:25 PM

Posted By: Juliecoupled with the higher prices I have to pay for them--makes me very interested in what someone I know will charge me for 3. Oh the A.L was also printed in '06, not in '04. SGC 60(AL) Keeler 240 Mastro, but of course that's Mastro. (hammer price) The T202s in the 2004 Catalogue are all over the map. Having all but 26, and always being on the lookout for "Devlins" of any kind, and only having 1 or 2 of "Devlin Gets his Man," I was not surprised to see someone selling a PSA 5 Devlin Gets his Man with Matty and Meyers (Not Devlin, even!) for $900. People who have put the set together know what's hard to find. I cut my Catalogue up a la Scott Forrest, and I use it eversomuch more. So how do you look up "second edition 2004" on Amazon?