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10-03-2004, 11:50 PM

Posted By: Lee BehrensI'll take Santana and Radke agaainst any of them starters, if Gardenhire is smart the Twins while never see that fourth starter we call Kyle Lohse. Playoffs come down to pitching and the Twins are pretty solid in the starters and bullpen. Sorry Yankee fan you'll have to watch the Twins in round two on TV. I'll be at Fridays game to watch the demise of the Yanks. GO TWINS !!!!!!!!!!!!

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10-04-2004, 08:39 AM

Posted By: ChuckkieBAs an official Yankee hater (*cough...cough*...Mets fan here)I'm rooting for a Red Sox Cardinals World Series. :D

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10-04-2004, 10:45 AM

Posted By: ockdayI gotta agree with Jay..Twins are not ready for prime time..I will be at Yankee Stadium watching the Yanks take out the Twinkies. Then bring on the Red Sox !! The "curse" is eternal !!!!!!

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10-04-2004, 11:13 AM

Posted By: Toddthey win. The Yankees won't beat Santana--they had two shots at him, and mustered 3 runs in 12 innings. They should have been tagged with 2 losses, and this time they will. That means the Twins need only win 1 more, and I'm confident Radke can beat them at least once. Last year's Yankees had Pettite and Clemens shutting down the Twins, and of course they're gone. The Twins are healthy, except for Joe Mauer, which leaves us with Henry Blanco, who had to get hot to break .200 at the end. Hey Tbob, remember the last time the Twins had a .200 hitter in the post season? Tim Laudner, 1987, when they won and he batted .300 in the WS with a homer. This team reminds me alot of that squad. Feisty leadoff LF (Stewart v. Dan Gladden); Incredible CF (Hunter v. Puckett); some pop on the corners (Koskie/Morneau v. Gaetti/Hrbek); two very good starters (Santana/Radke v. Viola/Blyleven), and stud closer (Nathan v. Reardon). Plus this team has more depth and a better overall pitching staff. Of course, they were written off before playing the mighty Tigers (98 wins) and Cardinals (95 wins), but hey, just play the games, baby!! GO TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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10-04-2004, 03:00 PM

Posted By: dennisthe metrodome(worst park in the majors) gives the twins a greater home field advantage because of crowd noise(in doors), turf(bad hops etc..),roof (bad to see ball)and they can always turn the air conditioning on when they come to bat(for the wind blowing out).

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10-04-2004, 04:08 PM

Posted By: JulieEven if they just BARELY made the playoffs, like the As almost did,which they didn't, you can bet they'll be around when the Series starts...pity...

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10-04-2004, 05:34 PM

Posted By: jwclemens battles the red sox at fenway.

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10-04-2004, 06:17 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi TBob, Be careful what you wish for................. The Yankees aren't the best team in baseball this year, but in the postseason they usually get the job done. You'd be better off facing Pedro and the Sox than the Yanks. Be well Brian

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10-04-2004, 06:28 PM

Posted By: RayIncluding myself, gotta love the possibility of Clemens and Pettitte pitching games 1 and 2 at Yankee Stadium. (yeah, i know Oswalt would pitch game 2, but it's fun to dream!) And not for nothing, it would be hard to root against either one of them. I still wear my Pettitte jersey with pride! My guess though: Yanks vs Cards I know the Yanks have the most rings, are the Cards second?

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10-04-2004, 06:39 PM

Posted By: Joe P.All right so Clemens vs Mussina wasn't enough. Let's follow that up with a Pettitte vs "El Duque" match. Keep in mind that the playoff's is like starting a new season. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-05-2004, 12:38 AM

Posted By: jay behrensYes, the Cardinals have the 2nd most rings. Jay I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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10-05-2004, 09:17 PM

Posted By: Lee BehrensRound 1 to the Twins!!!!!!!!! Santana was not at his best but our defense sure was!!!!!!!! GO TWINS!!!!!!!!!

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10-05-2004, 09:33 PM

Posted By: John/z28jdGreat game to watch,got to see or hear most of all 3 games.Im so glad this was on espn radio at work so i didnt have to listen to those damn bias Yankees announcer or that moron McCarver with his great one liners today 'hitting rivera is like hitting a 10 lb barbell with a bat' then explaining what he meant by saying he made the ball a heavier sphere.Last time i checked a barbell wasnt a sphere and first place goes to him for 'The runner will be moving with a contact pitcher on the mound' I dont even wanna know what that means

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10-06-2004, 03:18 AM

Posted By: jay behrensHe still has nothing on Ron Fairly when he did the Giants games. They used to have a daily report of bizzare things he said each game. My favorite was "...and he slides into second with a standup double." Jay I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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10-06-2004, 05:04 AM

Posted By: Pcelli60Minnie's got a mojo!

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10-06-2004, 09:42 PM

Posted By: JulieJeterstilloverrated?

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10-06-2004, 09:48 PM

Posted By: Chris B.yes, Jeter is still overrated.

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10-06-2004, 10:15 PM

Posted By: tbobFriday night, count the minutes spent talking about Jeter, A-Rod, Sheffield, Torre, Steinbrenner, ad nauseum. The Twins get mentioned 25% of the time, Yanks 75% of the time. I guess it's only fitting since the great Rodney Dangerfield passed on to comedy heaven yesterday and the Twins get no respect. If not for Ron Gardenslug, the Twins manager, the Twins would be 2-0. Yeah be sure and pitch a guy 50 pitches who hasn't thrown more than 25 all season long. Keep Lew .300 average Ford on the bench while a rookie keeps whiffing with men in scoring position, keep Jacque "rally killer" Jones in right field with the weakest arm in the majors instead of playing your best defense ahead 6-5 in ther last inning. Sheesh... Still a Twins fan (since '61) but never a Gardenweasel fan.

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10-06-2004, 10:45 PM

Posted By: Joe P.Ofwhateveryou'redrinking. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-06-2004, 11:03 PM

Posted By: Tim Mayeri am so sick of the Jeter is overrated stuff.. why? because of stats,,, when you need to win, he gets the job done..ala Joe Montana... what else does he need to do? win again? probably will... he will definately do at least one special thing this series,,,hes does year after year,,,your blinded by hate if you can't see it.. I hate David "jabba the hut" Ortiz, but I am not too blind to see he is a monster,,, yes gardenslug sucks.... thats part of the game.. not the yankees fault... as for bring on the yankees stuff.. be careful of what you wish for

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10-06-2004, 11:24 PM

Posted By: Scott Forresthow 'bout them Astros! I enjoyed standing out in the crowd today! Clemens hit a foul ball (rocket) right over my head.

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10-06-2004, 11:54 PM

Posted By: Lee BehrensI'm with Tbob on the Gardenhire losing this one The first big mistake was leaving Kubel in in the 8th, than leaving Nathan in to finish the game after 2 walks, what a shame. The Twins will prevail though.

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10-07-2004, 09:38 AM

Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)Nathan needed to go for it. The alternatives were Romero, who had been scored upon in something like 4 of his last 6 appearances, or the rookie Crane. Nathan still had good stuff, he just got no calls in the 12th. The guy was a long reliever last year and a starter before that--to think he couldn't handle a third inning is ridiculous, IMHO. The Kubel thing is baffling, although I think Lew Ford really needs to take a step back and evaluate things. The guy had 4 hits on Saturday to get his BA up to just over .300, and hasn't hit since. I watched those weekend games, given what was on the line, and it looked like Ford couldn't believe Gardy would risk his .300 BA by making him play the final game, never mind it was must win. The guy took meatball pitches for strikes, almost hoping he could draw a walk, and when his BA slipped to .299, it was like he was a whole different player. Pull your head out, Lew. As for JJ in RF, I seriously doubt it would have made a difference with Ford out there, given the way that particular ball was hit. Unless the man was playing deeper and could charge that ball to get momentum (a risky strategy), it would have been tough to get a strong throw on line. I'll save most of my Yankee vent for another post, but will say that I get so irked to see an inside pitch miss the corner by 1-2 inches, yet Jeter, Cairo and others flop backwards like they're doing the limbo, with the so-called "knowledgeable" Yankee fans booing like the pitcher is head-hunting. What a flippin joke. Not to worry, we're still taking 'em down!!!!!!!!

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10-07-2004, 09:52 AM

Posted By: Joe P."how 'bout them Astros! I enjoyed standing out in the crowd today! Clemens hit a foul ball (rocket) right over my head." * * Damn Clemens, he missed again. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Yankees fan for Clemens and Pettitte. We appreciate what you did for us. A win win situation.

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10-07-2004, 09:54 AM

Posted By: Jay MillerNice series guys--when does the downsizing come through?

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10-07-2004, 09:57 AM

Posted By: johnnyI live 3 miles from the metrodome and can't stomach to watch a game there so I watch the games on t.v.- domes should be outlawed for baseball but I guess I will go see the red sox if we make it past Jeter who is the best baseball player the game has seen since Pete Rose- anyways I am hoping for either a Twins - Cardnials rematch or Red Sox- Whoever it dont matter the red sox will lose-----

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10-07-2004, 10:48 AM

Posted By: Gary B.I thought I was going to get off easy and have the Yanks eliminated quickly, but oh well, there's still time. Who are the Yankees playing again? Oh yeah, the Twins. For me it's a competition between the Yankees and "whatever team they happen to be playing that I automatically root for." At least the Red Sox are winning. If the Giants couldn't make it, at least hope is alive for my greatest baseball dream - to have the Red Sox win the World Series. I certainly hope they make it. I hate it when two teams make the World Series that I don't really care about. I'll watch it, even enjoy it, but it's just not the same...

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10-07-2004, 11:05 AM

Posted By: Tim Mayeroh yeah, took a whole day for jeter to do something again,,,for an overrated guy, he sure seems to be in the thick of things alot... todays espn: Who's Your Daddy? Pedro looked like the Pedro of old as Boston put a stronghold on Anaheim. Derek Jeter was up to his old tricks as the Yankees dramatically tied their series with the Twins. The NL takes center stage today, with Houston hoping to push Atlanta to the brink, and L.A. ready to rebound against mighty St. Louis. notice the jeters up to his old tricks headline...what is that about..? hes being overrated again? haha

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10-07-2004, 11:07 AM

Posted By: Julieyou REALLY think G should have left him in?His fastball was gone, and he couldn';t even get a slider over the plate. Go BSox, Astros and Twins, and are there going to be games on Friday in the afternoon, or do I have to miss one? Damon looks like Jesus, or Chris kristoferson, or somebody...

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10-07-2004, 11:42 AM

Posted By: TbobThe guy he should have brought in was Lohse. I know you are cringing because he has been so up and down but he has playoff experience, he has good stuff even though he doesn't always have his head screwed on right and he proved in Cleveland that he can come in and finish a game (1st game of the doubleheader). What Gardy has done is take Nathan out of Friday's game, the most important in the series. Second guessing is always fun but if I am managing the Twins in the 12th, Lohse is on the mound, Cuddyer shifts over to 1st with Ojeda at 2nd and Ford in right, all for defense. The ball hit to right should not have been able to score Jeter, it was a shallow line drive not a long fly ball. Jones threw a lollipop to LeCroy and Hrbek, Doug M. or Morneau would all have thrown Jeter out at the plate. I think we gift wrapped the game although Jacque the rally killer Jones did manage to come around and score on his 3rd strike out of the game, that was a gift too. I only wish the Yanks had a lefty so Jones would be on the bench where he belongs...

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10-07-2004, 12:07 PM

Posted By: runscottthe outfielder needed to take it with more momentum going forward, his throw was off, forcing a relay, then the relay throw was bad as well. Terrible execution all the way around. But a split in NY isn't bad.

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10-07-2004, 12:36 PM

Posted By: ToddKyle Lohse?????????????? I love hearing from fellow Twins fans (we pick up quite a few when we play the Yankees:)), but Kyle Lohse? That guy will not play in a meaningful game this post-season. He will be relegated to mop-up, innings-eating duty if the Twins are ever getting their asses kicked. The guy does not have the toughness, at least now, and his stuff is not that good--it's all flat and the same speed. He seemed to latch on to a hard slider that actually had bite during his last start, but then left early from a blister on his middle finger--probably from throwing that very slider. Would I cringe if he had come in?, no, puke, yes. Nathan did not lose his stuff, although his command faltered. Rewind the TIVO and look at the pitches he threw Olerud to start the inning-they were near perfect, and I don't care if he's old, that guy is tough to whiff. BTW, Nathan will pitch in game 3, so you needn't worry about him being spent. I think there are just as many questions about Rivera's effectivenes from this point out than Nathan's. Scott is right- hideous execution on that final play was costly. Still,don't forget that the winning play was exactly that, a winning play. The best that happens is Jeter's out and we're moving to inning 13. Who knows what happens then, although with your projected scenario, the Twins would be completely out of bench players at that point. Let's get 'em in Game 3--GO TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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10-07-2004, 12:48 PM

Posted By: ToddMy picks to click: Game 3: Guzman (although Hunter will be big again) Game 4: Jacque Jones

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10-07-2004, 01:04 PM

Posted By: Jay MillerMy picks to click: Game 3-Kevin Brown Game 4-Twinkies golf clubs as they head south for the winter

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10-09-2004, 08:18 AM

Posted By: Jay MillerWell, there was click one. I can hear those Twinkie pings clicking already (or is that their knees shaking?). Yoo Hoo, Johan, adios!

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10-09-2004, 06:49 PM

Posted By: Jay MillerHey, those are Twinkie golf clubs I hear clicking. THE YANKEES JUAN! THEEEEEEE YANKEES JUAN!

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10-09-2004, 06:58 PM

Posted By: ockdaytwins shoulda/coulda put the yanks away in game 2 but didn't ..now they golf while the yanks get to stick it to the red sox yet again....go yanks!!!

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10-09-2004, 07:56 PM

Posted By: Red SoxThey are far too inconsistent to seriously think that they can contend this year. History has shown that teams whom depend on always coming from behind, typically fall short sooner or later.

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10-09-2004, 08:58 PM

Posted By: Gary B.The best team that money can buy.

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10-09-2004, 09:01 PM

Posted By: Scott ElkinsYanks, BoSox, Astros or Braves - NONE of them can hold the Cardinals' Jockey Straps (as the GREAT Ty Cobb would say)! I have been telling my Die Hard Red Sox uncle this since July! He will see. But wait, that team has to make it past the Yankees first - don't they!?!? The ONLY sad thing for me about the Cards winning it all this year is that McGwire couldn't still be playing for them!

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10-09-2004, 09:49 PM

Posted By: Tim Mayereveryone has an opinion, but we will know the answers in a week or so,,,yes, we know the yanks are flawed,,,the sox are perfect and unflawed..I get it,,, lets play the games and we shall see,,,as for the best team money can buy stuff, it's old,,,the yanks break no rules, and every team in the league loves playing them and the money that comes from it...in fact the yanks are good for baseball as they put money in the bank and fans in the seats,,, and by the way, who had the second highest payroll? the redsox so lets not be hypocrytes...the salary thing is old,,,and Redsox why don't you log in, so we all know who you are...

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10-09-2004, 10:05 PM

Posted By: Lee BehrensJust back from the game. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> I was already to take all of Sunday off to watch the Vikes and the Twins, but to my horror Juan Rincon had one of his worst outings of the year. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> hats off to the Yanks, they beat the best part of our team, the bullpen. I wouldn't get to high hopes yankees fans, Santana was not at his best and we should have won 3 out of 4. I see the Yankees winning one in the ALCS if they are lucky enough to get good starting pitching. The Twins had alot of hits off the Yanks and they aren't close to as good of hitters as the Red Sox. Red Sox vs. Astros, Clemens vs. Schilling Game 1. The Twins had a nice year with alot of young players and you won't see the last of them they'll be back.

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10-09-2004, 11:41 PM

Posted By: T206CollectorI was at Game 5 of the 1996 ALCS, Yankees-in Camden Yards. I was wearing my Yankee hat and jersey. After the Yanks clinched, an Orioles fan got in my face and said, "I can't wait to see the Cardinals kick your ass in the World Series." You see, the Cardinals were up 3-1 on the Braves in the 1996 NLCS. But the Cardinals couldn't get it done and the Braves faced the Yankees in the World Series that year and the rest, as they say, is history. The moral of the story, for me anyway, is that when your team gets eliminated it's in your nature to want to say that the team that beat you will get eliminated soon, too. But really, the Twins should be rooting for the Yanks to go all the way so they can say they got beat by the best. At least, that's how I've always looked at it. You just never know.

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10-09-2004, 11:56 PM

Posted By: tbobLohse did a helluva job in his stint coming out of the pen. Twins fans forget had it not been for Lohse we would not have been in the playoffs in 2001 and 2002, especially 2002 when he carried the team in the middle of the year. If our sorry excuse for a manager had not had another brain fart and jerked Blanco with 2 outs and nobody on (yes I know Kubel hit a double, then died on base, instead of being used as a pinch hitter with men on base where he could have been effective), we wouldn't have had the oldest catcher in the history of baseball not shifting his body and trying to backhand everything with the winning runner on 3rd and costing us the game. Easy to see why no major league team the last couple of years wanted Pat Borders. Blanco had hit a home run and a single and yet was pulled. No way Blanco lets that ball get by him. You let Blanco hit with 2 outs and no one on. If there had been a baserunner in scoring position, I can see pinch hitting Kubel. As a manager, Gardenslug is a good coach. He pushed all the wrong buttons today and in the series. The Twins will never win a World Series with Gardo at the helm. Lee I am with you, the Twins will be back, that is if they get rid of the deadwood, Jacque .240 Jones, Corey my back hurts all the time Koskie, Christian I don't give a damn about playing hard Guzman (wouldn't he look great in a Cubs uniform?), Luis ditto with Guzman Rivas, Pat Borders, Terry Mulholland and LeCroy. I believe all will be free agents or in their option years next year. Get rid of them. Adios! Terry Tiffe at 3rd, Mike Cuddyer at ss, Justin Morneau at 1st, Kubel in right, Lew Ford in left, Torii in center and Mauer behind the plate. The rotation is Santana, Radke, Durbin, Lohse and Silva. Trade Shannon Stewart while he still has value along with a couple of the other deadheads listed above and that will bring aboard a shortstop and a #2 or 3 pitcher. I'm sorry his father passed away but Frenchie Jones has to go. He'd look great in a Mets uniform. If I see him laugh and smile after striking out one more time I will scream. And I love his quote after Game 2 that he had no idea Jeter might tag and try to score. Sheesh...

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10-10-2004, 12:01 AM

Posted By: Jay MillerCardinals didn't look that unbeatable today against KC castoff Jose Lima. There is no series in sports better than the Yankees vs the Red Sox in the post season. My prediction is that the team that learns how to manufacture runs, not just hit homers to score, will win. Sheffield swinging so hard that he almost falls down with A-Rod on second, no outs, and the Yankees needing one run, won't do it.

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10-10-2004, 07:28 AM

Posted By: Anonymousbut let's not get carried away with them. Tim McCarver said last night they were "maybe the best lineup ever." They didn't score!!!!

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10-10-2004, 07:58 AM

Posted By: Pcelli60I never thought a Yankee fan so sensitive..The Sox are better this year but the Yankees will win. These are the 2 best teams in the AL and SHOULD face each other in the LCS... The Cardinals have TOO great an expectation to win. Houstons momentum can tip the scale in their favor..No clear cut winners in the field this year, and it makes for fun Baseball..

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10-10-2004, 08:18 AM

Posted By: Gary B.1. Yankees - $184 million 2. Red Sox - $127 million 3. Angels - $100 million 4. Dodgers - $92 million 5. Braves - $90 million 6. Cardinals - $83 million 7. Astros - $75 million 8. Twins - $53 million Outside of the Red Sox and the Angels, the Yankees spent literally TWICE as much as any other team, and more than 3 times as much as the Twins! And STILL, $57 million more than the Red Sox is not an insignificant gap by any stretch. It's gonna be awfully embarrassing for Steinbrenner if they don't make it all the way again, and lucky for them they weren't bested in the first series by a team that spent a staggering $131 million less than them this year. I know it's not just about money, but these are pretty dramatic and telling numbers. The Yankees definitely bring in a lot of money at home and to visiting teams when they play them, and they sure better considering how much money they spend, but they will still always be the enemy for so many people come World Series time because of their outrageous spending, their amazing arrogance and because they've won the damn thing just too many times. The baseball world doesn't revolve around the New York Yankees and every other team has a following who prays their team will win as opposed to just expecting they'll win as some kind of God-given right. Sorry to all the Yankee fans, it's just the way it is.

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10-10-2004, 08:32 AM

Posted By: Glen VThe Yankees draw fans when visiting other parks, but how games sell out when other teams visit? If there was some balance to the teams, races could be closer and teams wouldn't fade away the first month of the season. I would think this would be good for baseball and make more money overall. Or they could just go for the quick fix and add more wildcard spots and another round of playoffs...

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10-10-2004, 09:10 AM

Posted By: Pcelli60 Basball needs a big bad establishment hate target just like the rest of the world..

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10-10-2004, 10:31 AM

Posted By: Julie<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/mickeym.JPG">

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10-10-2004, 11:02 AM

Posted By: Jay MillerHey Gary, no one is putting a gun to other owner's heads and preventing them from spending money to build a competitive team. BTW, the Yankees actually spend more than the $180 million since they have to provide handouts to all the low payroll teams. Also, when the Yankees come to town they bring big crowds into local ballparks which also enrich the coffers of these other clubs. I understand that some teams don't have the fan base and the TV revenue to support big payrolls. However, some like the Chicago teams, the LA teams, the Houston and Dallas teams, Red Sox etc do. Steinbrenner is a great owner because he wants to build a winning product. He spent money to make money. He is the best thing ever to happen to Yankee fans. I admire the Twins and the A's because on a small budget year in and year out they put a great product on the field. Hats off to their management. The teams that annoy me are the White Sox and the Dodgers who have a fan base and a TV base to spend big bucks to build a superior team and year in and year out still stink(Dodgers will be gone today).

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10-10-2004, 05:49 PM

Posted By: Tim Mayeryes it does seem the baseball world revolves around the yankees... they bring in big revenue to every city they go to,,,a rivalry with the yankees is unlike any rivalry in the world.... trust me the best thing that could ever happen to the sox is their hatred for the yankees... also a sox fan complaining about salaries is insane,,,,look how much money the sox spend,,, its not like they are a small market team,,, i repect the a's and twins,,their management rocks,,,until this year Boston's problem wasn't salary, it was bad baseball decisions,,, i think lately they have done a better job, but they have bought a team, just like the yankees do,,,in fact the yanks at least have some homegrown guys,,,,boston has very few.... by the way at least Boston imports good team players and well respected humans into their communities,,, I would love Pedro, and Manny and Damon on my team, such clean cut well mannered young men,,,,

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10-10-2004, 08:09 PM

Posted By: Gary B.everyone's taking me so seriously. I'm just complaining about the Yankees to have something to talk about. Not like I'm not sincere, but it's just harmless talk and conversation.

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10-10-2004, 08:47 PM

Posted By: ChuckkieB... when one is discussing the EVIL EMPIRE! :D Not a Sox fan, but I'm rooting for "The Curse" to be broken this year.

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10-11-2004, 12:19 AM

Posted By: Tim MayerI agree its all in fun. note to self,, do not comment on redsox do not comment on yankees do not post after more than 3 beers. haha.. i love my yanks, but i need to get a life,,,I wish gary and the sox good luck...

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10-11-2004, 12:32 AM

Posted By: Lee BehrensWhat made the Yankees great for this decade is the fact they had 5 great prospects of their own: Jeter, Williams, Petitte, Rivera and Posada. Where would the "Dynasty be without there likes on the team. They kept all their good prospects and traded off the questionable ones. How many Yankee prospects in the 10 years even start for a team. Guzman, Milton, Lowell, those are all I can come up with. Heck the Twins have 2 of them and you know they have good prospects themselves so they might know a thing or 2 about prospects. They could afford to keep each and everyone of these prospects plus plug in All-Stars around them. Don't you think the Twins would have had a better chance in Game 3 with Eric Milton on the mound and Eddie and LaTroy in the bullpen to go woth the kids and maybe afford to keep Kenny Rogers for another year? Heck, Don't you think the A's would be awesome if they could have afforded to keep Giambi and Tejeda. That is what's wrong with the system today you can grow your own prosecpts and in a couple years you can only pick and choose the ones you would like to keep. That's my beef on the state of baseball, Lee

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10-16-2004, 09:57 PM

Posted By: Gary B.but what choice am I left with? It might just be time to give up the masochist urge to see the Red Sox make it all the way - all Boston has given it's fans is decades of despair and bitter dissapointment.

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10-16-2004, 11:12 PM

Posted By: murcerfan.........would the Babe have let the final tally tonight be 19to8

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10-16-2004, 11:37 PM

Posted By: Julie?

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10-16-2004, 11:39 PM

Posted By: Julie?

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10-17-2004, 05:53 AM

Posted By: Kevin CummingsA 19 - 8 flogging seems less like karma and more like bad pitching and stupid baserunning. Now if there was really a curse, the Red Sox would have lost by a single run. Ramiro Mendoza would have given up the lead run in the top of the ninth with his brain fart balk and Manny Ramirez would have gotten thrown out at third to end the bottom of the inning. As it is, Babe is laughing knowing full well he didn't need to pull any strings last night.

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10-17-2004, 09:38 AM

Posted By: murcerfanI suppose 19-18 would have been more obvious that's 1918.....get it? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-17-2004, 09:42 AM

Posted By: JulieThe Red Sox are going to have a difficult time fulfilling SABR's prediction if they can't even get INTO the World Series...

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10-17-2004, 11:41 AM

Posted By: Gary B.I had always thought of the curse as being getting SO close, i.e. the winning game is in the bag and a they blow it big time, but I'm expanding my definitions. Making it handily through the first round of the playoffs and then getting destroyed by the Yankees in the Championship series is enough for me. The whole gist of the curse for me is that they NEVER win the World Series no matter what, and this certainly qualifies, even if it isn't as dramatic as say 1986. I know the Yankees still have to win one more game and I speak of the Red Sox as if they've already lost, but come on, who are we kidding here? I think we have about as much chance as the Red Sox winning 4 in a row and then winning the World Series as we do of the government admitting the existence of extra-terrestrials. Since making it to the World Series and winning it seems to be the pinnacle and ultimate goal of any ballplayer, I think it's a miracle that the Sox get the good players they do have. Why would anyone want to join a team where you're virtually guaranteed of never making it all the way no matter how great a line-up you have? Jeez, even the Marlins won it twice and the Diamondbacks won it once and they're like little tiny babies next to the Red Sox. What a waste of energy it is being a fan. And for those who want to think I'm just whining and complaining, I am.

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10-17-2004, 11:47 AM

Posted By: DENNISwith that yankee pitching anything can happen.

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10-17-2004, 12:09 PM

Posted By: Kevin CummingsI didn't want to make the reference too obvious. I'm glad someone read between the lines! <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-17-2004, 01:30 PM

Posted By: qualitycardsIt is interesting... Ted Williams & Yaz were 2 great players that combined played from the late 30's to the 80's and neither won a World Series - But Luis Sojo a journeyman utility infielder has a few rings. Was Boggs & Clemens losers in Boston, but since they won World Series (Boggs 1, Clemens 2)w/ the Yankees they are now considered winners? I'm not sure what to make of it all...But it is interesting!

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10-17-2004, 02:29 PM

Posted By: Gary B.if someone wants to have a shot at winning the world series, they have to look outside of the red sox in order to do it.

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10-17-2004, 03:49 PM

Posted By: tim mayer" with the yankees pitching anything can happen" the pitching looked pretty good to me,,,nobody ever wants to give credit when its due,,,, everyone wants to bash the pitching, but obviously it was good enough as we are one game from the world series,,,even if the yankees win the whole thing, so yankee hate will try and taint it,,, was the sox pitching better? not,,,Twins? Not! nough said

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10-17-2004, 04:06 PM

Posted By: Juliebut the Yankees won convincingly.

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10-17-2004, 05:15 PM

Posted By: AnonymousIf El-Duque is back into form, he could really take advantage of the confused Boston hitters. He is very crafty and entertaining IMO. Lowe on the other hand has been ineffective against NY, especially Matsui, Sheffield and Bernie. I expect one or the other to get lit up early. .....but I also expected a 7 game, extra innings, no holds barred epic struggle. ....and yes, send more cigars

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10-17-2004, 07:07 PM

Posted By: Julie......

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10-17-2004, 07:23 PM

Posted By: ChuckkieBThe Yankees pitching is suspect. Lieber pitched the game of his life in game 2. I wouldn't expect the same next time around. This is the weakest staff the Yankees have had in years and yet they're coasting to the World Series. Unbelievable.

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10-17-2004, 09:00 PM

Posted By: ockdaywhat a hitting team...certainly better than past Yankee teams...apparently makes up for the suspect pitching.

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10-18-2004, 12:20 AM

Posted By: honus3415Is this the start of the greatest comback in ALCS history???? or just another cruel joke played on their fans by the Red Sox??? Guess we'll have to wait and see....my guess is it's a joke. Hope not....but I do believe in the "Curse of the Bambino".

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10-18-2004, 12:37 AM

Posted By: JulieBetter than Red Sox win no games... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/110103_diving_prv.gif"> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-18-2004, 10:53 AM

Posted By: Gary B."Is this the start of the greatest comback in ALCS history???? or just another cruel joke played on their fans by the Red Sox???" I fear it's the latter, just stringing us along a little more before they lose again, trying to get us excited about a miracle comeback that won't happen. On the other hand, if they were going to break the curse, they couldn't do it any more dramatically then winning 4 straight after being down 3-0 by the Yankees, but, like hoping against hope that they'll actually win a World Series some day it's only a wistful fantasy. To quote Mr. William Joel: "It's just a fantasy, It's not the real thing"

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10-18-2004, 10:57 AM

Posted By: Scott Forrest...it's an extra game of intense baseball we get to see. Last year's NLCS and ALCS might have been more of cliff-hangers, but this is still good baseball. The Red Sox just have to take it a game at a time, and put together a 4-game win streak.

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10-18-2004, 05:20 PM

Posted By: honus3415...it only starts getting interesting when it get to a "Do or Die" situtation in any series. When my team loses out, I only start paying attention when it gets to that point in a series. It's only then that the true character of a team shows. I'd loan Mickey Lolich to Boston if I could. The '68 Tigers was my greatest favorite team comback. It happen just as I was entering my sports prime....oh how I wanted to follow in the steps of Al Kaline.

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10-18-2004, 09:03 PM

Posted By: JulieTwo games is better than no games... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/110103_diving_prv.gif"> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-18-2004, 09:05 PM

Posted By: Gary B.fourteen innings and the red sox FINALLY win. now if the red sox were ever going to break the curse, being the first team ever to come back from 3-0 to beat the yankees would certainly be doing it in style. of course then they would still have to beat the cardinals, i mean the astros, i mean the cardinals - well, one of those teams anyway. now if the curse is especially cruel, the red sox WILL come back from beating the yankees and the blow the series. oy, the stress! still skeptical (but with hope still vaguely stirring), gary

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10-19-2004, 12:12 AM

Posted By: honus3415I'd sure hate to be a Yankee player\fan and have to explain to the Bambino messing up his "Curse". Teams have to hate it, when the pressure is on them because the other team has nothing to loose. Great game 5 by all four teams last night. Bartender, I'll take two more of the same. Is it just me or does Ortiz remind anyone else of a left-handed George Scott?

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10-19-2004, 05:46 AM

Posted By: qualitycards"Is it just me or does Ortiz remind anyone else of a left-handed George Scott?" He reminds me a hulluva lot of Mo Vaughn

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10-19-2004, 07:11 AM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Guys, This is the curse at it's finest! Instilling false hope in the Sox and there fans is the whole essence of the "Curse". The Yanks will probably lose another close one at the stadium and then cruely steal the 7th on a Ruben Sierra homerun. Enjoy the comeback while it last. Be well Brian

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10-19-2004, 07:47 AM

Posted By: Scott ForrestYankees vs Red Sox in game 7 is baseball at it's best.

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10-19-2004, 02:23 PM

Posted By: honus3415....with the "Curse of the Bambino" riding on the line. Hmmmm..not sure I like this home field advantage thing.

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10-19-2004, 10:13 PM

Posted By: JulieThree games better than no games... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/110103_diving_prv.gif"> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-19-2004, 10:47 PM

Posted By: qualitycardswill be over if Boston wins a World series, not if they just beat the Yankees, although the red sox organization and its fans would love it none the less. In the '86 World Series they lost in 7 games to the Mets, in '75 they lost in 7 games to the Reds and the Yankees weren't even part of the equation. Its been 86 years since they won a World Series - will this be their year? Looking foward to Game 7 - Brown vrs Wakefield