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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Ken Caminiti died yesterday. He was 41. As long as we all have our health and our families, we are all lucky SOBs. The rest is all window dressing.

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Posted By: <b>nickinvegas</b><p>Adam,<br />You are so right, every once in a while it is good to take a step back. We get pretty heated and personal on this board. As it has been said before, "it is just cardboard." <br /><br />Nick Martinez

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Posted By: <b>Tim Mayer</b><p>I love this board, but lets call it the way it is,,,it's a vintage card board, we all get off topic sometimes, and it's cool, but lately most threads have been about anything but vintage cards...<br /><br />this is not my board, or my call, but my opinion is I can get this crud by opening an aol account....<br /><br />I agree its sad about caminiti, it's also sad about superman,,,,,is caminiti on a cracker jack card I missed? haha...actually it's not you Adam,,,it's Gary...<br /><br />I guess we will disagree, but I come here for cards, not Liberal cheap shots..I know Kerry is your neighbor in Boston, go nuts vote for him, but it pisses me off when I see this stuff here...<br /><br />I know you can say don't read the posts if I don't like them,but how can I tell if it is about cards( the reason I am here) or dribble?<br />

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Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>Gary B - take your babble to a political board if you feel the need to climb onto your soapbox...Thanks.

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I have to agree keep the politics off the board. there are plenty of places to go and vent this is not one.<br /><br />The Caminiti death is sad but he took steroids and was hooked on crack. He made bad decisions and it cost him and his family dearly.<br /><br />Lee<br />

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>influence our attitudes on the Forum--you lash out at people because you are unhappy. I know I have done this. Apologies.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I don't know about the mock issues of the last several years. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <br /><br />Baseball, like the Constitution, is a dynamic, growing thing. Otherwise, it loses its attraction for the future generations. Sure, this is a vintage baseball card board but the middle word in the name is "baseball". Most of us follow contemporary baseball, and many of us feel bad to see a contemporary of ours (generationally, at least) dead so young and for nothing. I didn't know that man and I don't do drugs, but he's a year older than me and he has young children too, so I feel it is worth a moment's reflection and comment as to how someone of our generation blessed with talent and resources could end up dead like that. It could happen to anyone, so we should all be thoughtful as to what we all have. That's all I meant. <br />

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>I agree 100% with Tim. I hate these kinds of posts polluting the board. We fight well enough over baseball cards. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Chris B.</b><p>It took all of two posts to turn this thread into something confrontational. No wonder I dont post on here very often!

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Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>But if something is bothering me I find that there are more productive things to do than have a brain dump on a baseball card message board.<br /><br />We're all here because we have a common interest that unites us...there are other boards to debate ideas that divide us. <br /><br />Re: Lee's Caminiti comment - I think you are absolutely right. The problems he had in his life were almost all of his own making, but any death at a young age is a shame and I wish he would have been able to conquer his demons. The biggest tragedy is the void it leaves for his children - the empty spot that will be there for graduations, weddings, etc.

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Posted By: <b>Gary B.</b><p>"but any death at a young age is a shame...The biggest tragedy is the void it leaves for his children - the empty spot that will be there for graduations, weddings, etc."<br /><br />That's exactly my point. I will say no more.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>...........<br /><br />A friend of mine in San Diego was named "Californias Teacher of the Year" the year Caminiti won MVP, and she got to meet him, and was honored on the baseball diamond.<br /><br />"Superman"s name is Christopher Reeve, and he was paralized 10 years ago in a horsebackriding accident. I somehow found his death much more shocking that Caminiti's--because he had been such an optimistic advocate for research into quadropalegic cure--and does anyone remember when they showed us a film of his walking accross the stage at the Oscars (all done with mirrors of course).<br /><br />I have often wondered if C. Reeve was his real name, because the original T.V. Superman was named "Reeves," and I think "Christopher" as well. He committed suicide...<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>I understand your point, but what about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who died under the reign of a madman?<br /><br />Is a death more tragic if it is American rather than Iraqi, or because we hear stories about it on the evening news?<br /><br />There were a great deal of empty spots in Iraqi weddings under Saddam that people didn't care about because it didn't interrupt their nice comfortable existence.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>"<s>War</s> Collecting is politics by different means." - me, paraphrasing Clausewitz.<br /><br />So - confrontation about collecting is (sort of) okay, but political posts get deleted. There are about 1m other venues for this kind of stuff.<br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>You snuck in there before I posted, Adam. Incendiary, and deleted.<br /><br />No one is going to be persuaded by any political arguments here. Let's leave it at that.

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Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>Quick on the trigger with that one, Bill - I don't intend to contribute any more to this thread, but the temptation to fire back on that one was high.<br /><br />Is it possible to just delete or lock the whole topic? It has obviously veered off from its original intentions...

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Isn't it cool how SGC will holder these candy cards? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1097517663.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Tim Mayer</b><p>I feel bad, I like Adam and Gary, my intention was to make a point, not cause a problem, I apologize.<br /><br />The original Superman was George Reeves Julie, and he died young also, they say there is a Superman curse..I hope not...<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Tim Mayer</b><p>wow Leon,<br /><br />i always save scans of cards I have never seen before,,,it always amazes me when I look at them,,that said thanks, as many of them are yours...<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Darn that is a neat card Leon. I had one just like it with the same crease and it was the same player. They wouldn't slab mine.

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Posted By: <b>qualitycards</b><p>"T.V. Superman was named "Reeves," and I think "Christopher" as well."<br />JULIE - His name was George Reeves<br />

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Oh, and Barry Sloate wrote me an e-mail--that's three.<br /><br />I exaggerated an already existing coincidence-- a "Reeve" and a "Reeves" played "Superman." Both died young.

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Posted By: <b>Tim Mayer</b><p>you said I think his name was...<br /><br />which to me says you were unsure and questioning it,,,<br /><br />I would never have corrected a lady unless asked haha....

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>We're all tighter than a bullfrog's butt in the good ol' USA lately (and that's water-tight). Lighten up, everyone and have a laugh...Hey, I have to have my posterior operated on next week--I need all the jokes I can get...<br /><br />Leon, you constantly amaze me with your collection. Is that slab standard sized or tall boy sized? <br /><br /><br />Oh, and the Reeve/Reeves thing came up when the Superman movie first came out. Reeve said at the time that it was a family name, not a stage name, and that when he was a kid he used to get a lot of questions about whether they were related, but they were not. He isn't related to that other famous Reeves, either, Steve Reeves (the 1950's and 1960's weightlifter who made several spaghetti costume epics; the "Joey, do you like gladiator movies" reference in Airplane was about Steve Reeves' films, which had an iconic stature in the gay community back then).

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>If you guys don't stop this U.S. stuff, Max, Ben and I are going to start discussing Canadian politics. Up here, we've got 4 major parties, so we can have twice as much fun as you guys. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>Elliot<br /><br />I think your threat of us discussing Canadian politics is enough to insure that this thread doesn't hit the 100 post mark. I'm afraid my knowledge runs out at Tommy Douglas, the CCF and Agrarian Socialism and Jean Lesage and la revolution tranquille (there, that should do it...<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Max

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>-enough-of-(it). American politics. <br /><br />"I--HAVE HAD--ENOUGH---OF YOU!" - Kirk, pushing some enemy over a cliff, in "The Search for Spock," one of those Star Trek movies my son copied to videotape, and played over and over, and over...<br /><br />I had a Berkeley bumpersticker here, but NO WAY...<br /><br />Je sais quelque chose de la revolution tranquille, merci, Ben.