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09-10-2008, 10:24 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>I was doing some research on the benefit game held for Addie Joss's family in 1911 and came across conflicting accounts of one of the players pictured in the famous panoramic image.<br /><br />Here is the player in question:<br /><a target='_blank' title='ImageShack - Image And Video Hosting' href='http://imageshack.us/'><img src='http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/509/unknownrc6.jpg' border='0'/></a><br /><br />In a lithograph of unknown period sold by Heritage, (<a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=46051&Lot_No=12351&src=pr#PHOTO">Linked here</a>) the player is identified as Tim Hendryx. <br /><br />In a posting of the photo on a message board (<a href="http://www.baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1150862&postcount=33">Linked here</a>) that player is identified as Bill Lindsay.<br /><br />Both players were with the Naps in 1911 and both played quite sparingly. Can anyone help with figuring out who the mystery man is?
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09-10-2008, 10:54 AM
Posted By: <b>Shawn</b><p>I will have to say... No match on the Hendryx.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc139/smokelessjoe/21288r.jpg">
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09-10-2008, 12:06 PM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Matt:<br /><br />Maybe you can find a match using this............<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s120/bcbgcbrcb/JacksonJoe-2.jpg"><br /><br /><br />
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09-10-2008, 12:11 PM
Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Phil,<br /><br />What a great piece! Do you have more of these from different teams (excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject). What excites me are the facsimile autographs! Unlike the traced-over versions found on T205s, these are actually great examples. I could use high-res scans of anything the folks on this board might have in this regard. Very interesting!
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09-10-2008, 12:14 PM
Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Shawn,<br /><br />Where did you locate that photo? The chap on the far left, James Donaldson Brown, has been a pet research project between a friend and myself for many years. Thanks for sharing! I had never seen this image before.
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09-10-2008, 12:20 PM
Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Jodi - I'm curious what you make of Jackson's signature on the piece Phil posted? While I don't doubt that the signatures that are on the cabinet are copies of true signatures and not traced over, Jackson's signature looks to be traced to me since he could not have signed that fluently.<br /><br />Your thoughts?<br /><br><br>======================================<br />For the premier online souce of information on baseball-related cigarette packs, visit <a href="http://www.baseballandtobacco.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballandtobacco.com</a>
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09-10-2008, 12:31 PM
Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Jon,<br /><br />Good point--I only glanced at a few of facsimiles. Yes, the Jackson <i>does</i> appear a little smooth, doesn't it? Of course, I would really like to see high-res images of such pieces (better yet, to see them in-person) before having a conclusive answer for you. Without going back to look again, certain players' facsimiles look spot-on. Yes, perhaps a kindly photo editor decided to give Jackson's signature (and, perhaps, public perception) a more "Shoefull" appearance by softening the rougher elements of the signature!
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09-10-2008, 12:35 PM
Posted By: <b>Shawn</b><p>Jodi,<br /><br />I got the image off of the Library of Congress website... I would post a link, but I do not know how to attach the reduced version of such.
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09-10-2008, 12:59 PM
Posted By: <b>Shawn</b><p>I would think that since Bill Lindsay attended both Harvard and Tulane that a picture could be obtained from these connections? Yearbook? etc.
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09-10-2008, 01:03 PM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Phil - thanks for posting, but my screen resolution/eyesight isn't good enough to find either of those players on your composite - since you have it in hand, can you find either of them?<br /><br />Is Hendryx the 3rd from the top along the right edge?
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09-10-2008, 02:42 PM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Jodi:<br /><br />No, this is the only one I have.<br /><br />Matt:<br /><br />I don't have the card anymore, I just have an old scan of it saved in my computer.
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09-11-2008, 07:50 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Thanks to everyone for your help (both private and public) I believe the mystery is solved! <br /><br />My original thoughts were that the Lithograph might be more accurate since it even had the name of the bat boy, which I imagine is a somewhat obscure piece of information and that gave it mroe credibility in my mind. However, Based on this web page:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/teams/1911indians.stm">1911 Naps Calendar</a><br /><br />It seems that Tim Hendryx made his debut for the Indians on September 4th. Since the Joss game was played on July 24th (about a month after Lindsay made his own debut) it would seem that it must be Lindsay in the photo and not Hendryx and that the Lithograph is wrong. Add in the corroborating visual evidence presented above and I believe we've solved it.<br /><br />Bill Lindsay played only that 1 season of Major League ball and appeared in only 19 games in his career, but was lucky enough to partake in the legendary Joss Benefit Game.<br /><br />thanks!