1860s Stereoview - Barry??? Corey????

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Anyone know what team this is and perhaps a reason why it went so high? Or maybe it went low considering the content?....Don't know but would appreciate any expert opinions.<br /><br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2lryxz" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2lryxz</a>

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>Not 60's

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>The larger oversized stereoview mounts usually date to the mid 1870's and you find a lot of centennial exposition photos on that larger format (taller than a normal stereoview) so I would place the age at about 1872 at the VERY earliest to about 1882 or so. The team is most likely not significant as it was a Vermont photographer and he mentions Vermont scenery in the photo. I cant think of a single prominant team from Vermont even in the pre-professional days. It is still a nice photo and a great early stereoview. I was watching it and was planning on bidding up to about $300 but not nearly at the level it ended at. It is a nice item though.<br /><br />Rhys Yeakley

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>That's an 1870's military team. The stripe on the side of the pants, kepis on their heads and the fellow at left is wearing double-breasted frock coat. I too am suprised at the price.<br /><br />Rob M.

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>I dont really think the buyer bought the piece because of it being Baseball. I think he bought the piece because of its link to the civil war.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I'm not so sure about that Al....the winner (bdctiger) bids against me all the time on 19th century baseball photos.

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Posted By: <b>1880nonsports</b><p>we all had the same idea. Despite being a creature of the 1950's I was able to google the photographer. With further research one could get more specific information as there is a register compiled of all such stereoviews that were produced IN SERIES by known photography studios (certainly incomplete but it's a start). I think of these people as mini Burdicks - compiling information selflessly in a quest to quantify a particular aspect of a hobby/love and making research easier for us all. Many specialty collectors in the genre and I feel this price anomally was due to a baseball interest. I used to collect baseball game in progress pre 1890 photos on a poor man's budget. I have not seen this image before but the uniform and kepi's belie it's generic content. I would guess the typical selling point of an image like this to be in the 200. and change range. DOUBTFUL that this was a civil war collector as there is a lack of worthy content.<br /><br />(edited to add the word "series" and to note that orange was introduced in the mid-1870's as a mount color. The images which appear to be albumen photographs were used up until the very early part of 1900's but mounts were made darker in the 1890's for a more elegant look - and mounts were typically curved after the 1880's to allow for better clarity and contrast when viewed in a stereoscope.)<br /><br />(final edit to note that there really only 2 competing bidders once it reached a reasonable level.)

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy Leiderman</b><p>Most of the 1860s SV's have square corners.<br />The photographer's caption in the front was used mostly in the 1870's, while in the early 60s, photographer's placed their information using a pasted label on the back and later on a checklist of their views printed on the card stock.<br />The thickness of the mount is also something to check.<br /><br />I'm not an expert, but I've handled a pretty good bunch of baseball views from the 60's and 70's.<br /><br />Here are some examples:<br /><br />Mid 60s (65-66)<br /><a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2770/c1865svbp4.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br />Late 60s (68-69)<br /><a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7742/oldpoint1kn2.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br />Early 70s (70-72)<br /><a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7468/37558bpi7.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br />Mid 70s (76)<br /><a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9152/stereotestsl5.gif" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br /><br />I always try to buy SV's with good 3-D "focus"... It's always fun to recreate the effect using new technology. Think it worked with a great SV from Rob M. once.<br />

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>It's definitely post civil war (1865) per the military uniform style and the stereoview card style. <br /><br />Jimmy did a nice job on a civil war/baseball stereoview that I have. If I can locate it again I'll post it on here.<br /><br />Rob M.

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Found it - <br /><br />Here is the link to my stereoview that Jimmy did his 3-D trick with:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1153974000/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1153974000/</a><br /><br />Rob M.

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Posted By: <b>1880nonsports</b><p>gotta love the tech.. I'm throwing my table and hand-held stereoviewers away <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hi Dan- sorry I'm so late, but this is the first I saw this thread.<br /><br />The picture is too small and there is simply not enough information to identify. Nice image though.<br /><br />For Rhys: did you get the image I sent you of Bob Allen per your request on the other board? I never received an acknowledgement and wondered if you ever got it.

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Posted By: <b>Corey R. Shanus</b><p>It's a nice image, though as Barry said, too small to attempt an identification. As to the price, I don't think its that high considering the image as well as the possibility that it might be of a team (or contain a player) of some significance.

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy</b><p>I do have to agree with Rob "That's an 1870's military team" with a larger field in the background and the one building on the hill - and the look of the uniforms. Many baseball Steroviews show more people around and have different characteristics, this photo is very unique<br /><br />Jimmy<br />

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>Barry<br /><br />I got the email but I could not get the attachment to work. Can you try again or maybe post it here and I will save it to my computer? My next step in the process is finding someone who lives near Mobile Alabama who can spend a few hours at the library for me tracking down Bob Allen's other son.<br /><br />Thanks Again Barry<br /><br />Rhys<br /><br />themodo@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hi Rhys- I'll ask my wife tonight if she can figure out what went wrong with the scan. Hopefully she will have some time, as I am computer semi-literate.

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Posted By: <b>Corey R. Shanus</b><p>When did you graduate from illiterate to semi-literate!? (I would put the smiley up, but I forgot how (speaking of computer literacy))!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Well, I know how to post on Net 54...hence the semi! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>Barry<br /><br />I think I have the image now since I see you just posted it on ebay. I guess I need to buy the card now. I have over 600 letters and telegrams from his estate and have gone to his hometown for research, but not a single Old Judge card yet. I guess I can call it Christmas Present. <br /><br />Rhys<br /><br />