World's Greatest Schedule

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller&nbsp; </b><p>Although some may think that the Red Stocking Cigar schedule (No! It's not a card) is the world's greatest schedule, I would like to submit that I believe that the following 1885 Chicago schedule surpasses it.I thought that you guys would get a kick out of seeing the piece. The back shows the officers and players as well as the schedule of home games for the 1885 season. The front, like a Peck & Snyder trade card, has a photo of the 1885 team. This is not just an ordinary photo, however. This is the photo from which the image of Cap Anson for the Old Judge Anson in Uniform card, the most famous and valuable 19th century card, came.<br /><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/curl777/chif.jpg"><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/curl777/chib.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Gary B.</b><p>that was created from this image for a side by side comparison?

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Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1091663631.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>The Other One</b><p>....

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Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>Jay,<br /><br />Do you own this item? What are the measurements? Very cool!

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Maybe they got the facial expression from this photo, but unless Im looking at the wrong player in the team photo, Anson's arms are folded differently in each picture - in one the left arm is on top, and in one the right arm is on top.

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Actually, looking a bit closer, it appears that they put Ansons head on the body of the player immediately below him in the front row.

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>Josh---You are exactly correct. Anson is Uniform is actually a composite of Anson's head on another body.<br /><br />Andy--Yes, I own the schedule.

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Posted By: <b>hankron</b><p>Jay, very neat item. Beats that Edgar Martinez pocket sked on my refrigerator.

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Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>So, what are the measurements? Just curious.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>famous - yes.....most famous ??<br /><br />valuable - yes....most valuable- no<br /><br />just my opinion.....<br /><br />great schedule......regards

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Posted By: <b>The Other One</b><p>I was watching as the picture was posting--and at first, I thought you were comparing it to the Cincinnati Red Stockings because of the size, but then I saw it was the Red Stocking Cigar--the one Lipset owns--because it's a schedule. Jeez, who cares what you call it? It's great in a different way. You'd certainly be the first to admit (with that gorgeous cabinet of Anson you have)that it's not the greatest PICTURE of Anson (as the Cin. R.S. Cigar probably is of Radbourne). It's greatness lies in that it IS Anson as captain of the Chicagos, and is most of the great and mysteriously rare card in the N172 set--I can't find Kelly. Where is he?

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Posted By: <b>Jason Smith</b><p>So, that superimposing thing they did, did they do that with Photoshop or what?<br />Just kidding, thanks for sharing!<br />Jason

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Posted By: <b>Joe_G.</b><p>I don't know how you do it Jay, so many beautiful items.<br /><br />Julie, I believe Kelly is second from right, back row.

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Posted By: <b>FatBoy</b><p>I'm sitting here in my office this morning having trouble drinking my coffee because my bottom jaw is hanging so low. Keith<br /><br />Wanted to add, not only am I having trouble keeping the coffee in, but I also have drool dripping out.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>Andy---Sorry, the schedule measures 41/2"x31/2"

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Posted By: <b>hankron</b><p>Not for this one, but for some old composite baseball photos, the photographer would cut out the pieces and pin them in desired design against a background. Like pinning notes to a corkboard. In some old sports photos you can see the pins in the image.

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>David is exactly right. On Old Judge cards you can often see the pins holding on the Old Judge ad and/or the player's name, position and team at the bottom of the card.

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Posted By: <b>Josh Evans</b><p>First, I give it a 10. Amazing. In my opinion its "essentially" (regardless of size) a CdV, Carte-de-Visite (in French "calling card"). The schedule is technically advertising. Hence it's a card (don't argue, makes the piece more important). It's a card. And a schedule. And a photo. And whatever else you want to call it (awesome?). But who cares. <br /><br />Hey Leon, what schedule is more valuable? Not calling you out brother, just curious.

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>Josh--I yield to your expertise---a card it shall be.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>It wasn't the schedule I was talking about.. which is awesome. It was the card (Anson in uniform) that Jay had said was the most expensive 19th century card. It might be but I would think that the Just So Cy Young or possibly the Kelly Four Base Hits would be right up there with it. I don't believe there has been an actual sale of &lt;$100k 19th century card ( at least not publicly) but I would think any of the 3 I mentioned could potentially get there. So to correct myself I really should say "maybe" to the statement about the Anson....regardless all are swell cards......AND no problem in EVER questioning me. I have been known to recant a statement a few times......I only "used" to be perfect <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> breast regards

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>New Shimmer is both! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />At that size, with its characteristics, it is a card.

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Posted By: <b>The other One (Julie)</b><p>Cincinnati Red Stockings Peck and Snyder, the large one with the characature of the owner (?) on the back?

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Just becuase you can scrub your elbows with this thing doesn't make it a loofa. This whole, is it a card or not, is totally retarded. It's a schedule for gods sake!!! Nothing more, nothing less.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I like to sit outside, drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home I would be arrested, so I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: <b>The Other One (Julie)</b><p>I'd call it a schedule-card. Covers both appearance and function.

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Posted By: <b>Alternate Opinion</b><p>Why can't it be a "card-schedule"? Does it have to be a "schedule-card"?<br /><br />Actually, I tend to agree with JB - it's a SCHEDULE with a cool picture on it. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>If a "cricket ticket" is not a card ... then I have to be consistent and say that this is not a card...<br /><br />but this is a VERY COOL item and worth every penny!!

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Posted By: <b>The Other One (Julie)</b><p>whether something is a card or not? I mean, we argue for HOURS about whether thee or four things are cards, schedules or part of an album. Some of these things have numerical designations--but the E.R. Williams game cards do not. So: why is it important whether things are cards or Something else? The only thing I can figure out is that the card designation will somehow positively affect their value. This, in spite of the fact that people hasten to say "It's a schedule--but worth every penny anyone could possibly charge for it." <br /><br /> Now this "McPhee Scorecard" (1/2 size)is not a scorecard , in spite of the fact that it SAYS so right on the cover. It is an "1888 Cincinnati Base Ball Club Program," This is only the cover of an 8-page accordian-folded program, which consists largely of advertising (so what else is new?), and somewhere in those 8 pages is a page--not on cardboard, but on paper-- on which to score a game, and (perhaps) a schedule of the games the team will play that year. The "Scorecard" designation is left over from 2 years earlier, when a similar artfact was published, but with only a front and back cardboard piece, one of which was the scorecard.<br /><br />So whaddaya call that? And who cares; I'm just glad to have it. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1091923010.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Maybe because this forum is for vintage baseball CARDS ???<br /><br />Just like when someone posts something about a non-vintage card they give us a disclaimer...<br /><br />so I presume that is why Jay was giving the disclaimer to his vintage non-card.<br /><br />And just to clarify...<br /><br />I would not pay anything for the schedule, but I am sure hundreds of other collectors would. <br /><br />I collect rookie "cards" ... so if the schedule happened to be the first "piece of cardboard" on which some player appeared ... I still would not count it as a rookie "card" and therefore would take a pass on it if offered.<br /><br />This does NOT make the item less valuable ... it just eliminates some people (like me) from the field of potential buyers.

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Posted By: <b>The Other One (Julie)</b><p>"The New York Times," for all I care...<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Or "War and Peace."

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Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>Just for Fun.......How is this schedule any less of a card than the Betz Cabinet or 1882 Chicago Cabinet that you own?

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Posted By: <b>Josh Evans</b><p>Now I'm really gonna make trouble<br /><br />Definitely a CdV<br />Therefore definitely a baseball card<br /><br />Jay, where did it come from?<br />Smells like Spalding Collection<br />Just a stab in the darkened library<br />Josh<br />

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>Josh--I don't think so. This was purchased from Barry Sloate almost ten years ago. I have been told by the number one expert in the hobby on that collection that pieces from it have vestages of a NY library stamp on the back, and have written on them the bin number that the object was stored in. This schedule has no such markings; the back is clean. It is not a unique item. I have seen a damaged version of this schedule and there may be other copies.