Gunning and Gleason Photo on ebay?

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Posted By: <b>Wastewater</b><p>I am not planning on bidding on this but was curious to see what the board members thought. Interesting comparison between between the Old Judge cards and the picture.<BR><BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5110228555&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT" target=_new><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5110228555&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT</a" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5110228555&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT</a</a>><BR><BR>Adam

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>It's a cool picture, but I don't think it dates to "Old Judge" days, mainly because of the 1st-baseman's mitt that "Gunning" is wearing (looks early 1900's to me). In fact, three of the players are wearing mitts.

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Posted By: <b>AdamBaxter</b><p>I saw this one too. It looks to be a legit picture, but I agree with Scott that it's probably from a little later then the seller states. Gunning and Gleason both appear identical to the N172 photos and they are wearing Quakers uniforms. Anyone have any idea who the other players are?

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>The form of photograph also looks much later as well...1910's or 1920's perhaps.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>The gloves don't fit the era and the belt buckle is also wrong for the era. The buckle was still an important thing in 1880s and no self respecting player would have his buckle on his side.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>jpcw</b><p>What kind of photograph is this & why is it so small? You'd need a viewfinder to see the darn thing.

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>First off, I don't think that is Gunning...it does look like Gleason. The era is definitely off. The gloves are wrong and the uniforms don't look right for that time. The caps of the Phillies around that time were almost always white even in pictures where they are wearing dark uniforms. Around 1886 the "Phila" logo is found on the front of the jerseys...I did not notice the belt buckle but will trust more knowledgeable people. The next problem is the team identity. He says Quakers...The Quakers formed in 1873 and was in the National Association. The team folded in 1875. The National League Phillies of which Gunning and Gleason were members started play in 1883. They did use the Quakers moniker again in the teens and '20s.<BR><BR>Gleason did not join the team until 1888. He played with them until 1891 and then returned to the Phillies from 1903-1908.<BR><BR>Gunning only played one year for the Phillies. 1887.<BR><BR>Gleason did do vaudville which this truly looks like. It would not surprise me any that the other players might be from different teams as well. I would put this photo around 1909-1910.<BR><BR>My two cents.<BR><BR>-Joshua

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Posted By: <b>John/z28jd</b><p>The current Phillies franchise which started in 1883 was known as the Quakers till 1889.They kept the team name Phillies straight thru from 1890 till now except for a couple seasons during WW2 when they were called the Blue Jays.<BR><BR>The Philadelphia franchise that played from 1873-75 was the White Stockings,or just plain Whites. There were other franchises that played in the AA,NA/NL and PL that were named Athletics.<BR><BR> A pathetic team that lasted just 14 games in the NA in 1875 named the Centennials were the only other Philly franchise pre-1900.They averaged 12 errors per game and used just one pitcher,George Bechtel,who was primarily an outfielder the rest of his career