T206 Errors?

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Posted By: <b>three25hits</b><p>Are cards such as this considered errors by T206 collectors? <BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4120490570&category=31719" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4120490570&category=31719</a><BR><BR>I have read with great interest of the 'ghost image' collectors, and also the 'print scrap' cards. Just curious if this card is considered collectable as an error or is this simply a miscut card?

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Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>I can only speak for myself, but I would not consider these errors. If the picture was centered on the front and then there was no print then it would be an error. Looks like when these were printed the printer was not watching what he or she was doing and did not line up the sheet correctly. It is amazing what some people try to sell as errors. Rob

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Posted By: <b>Tim M</b><p>well if its not trimmed and is off center because the printer wasn't paying attention, if its not an error what do you call it then?<BR><BR>looks like an error to me

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Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>Just a card that was miscut. You can see what everybody else has to say. Now if it was so far misalined that you have pictures of two players now that is an error. Rob&nbsp;&nbsp;

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy Scott Elkins</b><p>it seems some collectors do. Some collectors these days collect anything remotely "different" from the norm. Maybe it is time for me to get the few of these miscuts I have and list them!? The ONLY error I have ever seen in these is that they are miscut however - use to be an error that would lower the value, but that seems to be changing.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>The way this 'error' comes about is that the card was the top card of the sheet. When it was miscut it had no name on the top of the card like other miscuts you see like this becuase there is no card above it from which to get the name form.<BR><BR>An interesting and unusual miscut, but personally, nothing I would pay extra for. My brother has one and we all know how cheap he is :-p<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>I e-mailed the dealer (who I have bought cards from before at shows and online) and asked if they were trimmed. He said they were short top to bottom. I have seen this often. They were miscut and probably had a partial name at top which was trimmed off by a collector many years ago. These are not errors and in my opinion should be valued less than a complete T-206. It bothers me that this dealer who is usually very good would try to sell something like this as rare and an error. I have literally about a 100 of T-206s without names for the same reason.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>is EXACTLY CONTRADICTORY to what the seller states more than once in his auction........<BR><BR>#1........<BR>"1909 T206 Error Hugh Duffy, No Name On Front. These errors are highly collectible & come up in the hobby infrequently. <b>Card measures correctly,</b> has no creases or wrinkles..." <BR><BR>#2........<BR>"I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY AN EXPERT T206 COLLECTOR THAT THESE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY ERRORS, RATHER "MISCUT." THE CARDS <b> MEASURE EXACTLY CORRECT</b> & IT APPEARS THE PRINTER WAS PROBABLY CARELESS IN HIS WORK WHEN CUTTING THESE CARDS..."<BR><BR>Which is it? Short top to bottom or 'exactly correct'? Can't be both.............

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Posted By: <b>BOTN</b><p>I just recently purchased a large group of T206's and in the group was a full sized Bob Unglaub with an enormous bottom border missing the team and the name. <BR><BR>The card is at SGC right now being graded. This is not a proof just a card that was clearly printed without the text.<BR><BR>This would constitute an error card, I would think.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>He attempted to sell it on ebay recently, but it didn't hit reserve - I think it was "Freeman".<BR><BR>Yours would be only second I've heard of, but they are legit.<BR><BR>I recently picked up a t206 with two names (top and bottom), and they are different <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> How common are these? (I've never seen one).

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>I know the "2 name" cards exist, I've never actually owned one.<BR><BR>BTW, I don't consider them errors - simply severe mis-cuts. But because we know most t206's were printed with the same player in each column, they represent cards cut from a more scarce sheet set-up. Esoteric enough for you?<BR>

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>Tom,<BR>I asked him if they were trimmed. His response was that they were miscut but not by him. He says they measure correct but the Duffy does look a little short to me. I wrote back and asked him which is it, miscut, trimmed, or measure correct, he has not written back (yet). <BR><BR>As to no name on the bottom cards, there was one years ago on ebay and I was sniped at the last second. It was a Kitty Bransfield and definitely measured correct. In fact, it was a little long. I think these are a little rarer than others but I still think it was just a factory goof and not a true error.

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Posted By: <b>Joe P.</b><p>The dealer is getting the name of the player from one of the most popularly collected sets since it was introduced from a collector?<BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=4120491959" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=4120491959</a><BR><BR>"The player's name is BERGER.<BR><BR>I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY AN EXPERT T206 COLLECTOR THAT THESE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY ERRORS, RATHER "MISCUT." THE CARDS MEASURE EXACTLY CORRECT & IT APPEARS THE PRINTER WAS PROBABLY CARELESS IN HIS WORK WHEN CUTTING THESE CARDS. I STILL THINK THEY ARE UNUSUAL & COLLECTIBLE. BID ACCORDINGLY AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. I WILL BE HAPPY TO REPLY!"<BR>*<BR>*<BR>As far as the card is concerned:<BR>I'm with those that call it just a careless miscut, but<BR>if one wants to blow it up more than that, ... hey, it's now in the hands of the buyer.<BR><BR>The abstract can sometimes be beautiful. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><BR><BR> <BR>

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Don't know why the seller would state the oppisite in an email than what was in the description." card measures correct".<BR>If the card measures correct it should grade.<BR>I have bought from this seller several times and have sent a few cards that I purchased tobe graded all came back holdered.<BR>Error or miscut still should grade but maybe lowered because of centering.<BR><BR>Jim

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>I must apologize to Mr. Craik...I got two e-mails confused as I asked another collector to look at the sizes and we went back and forth. The dealer did not say they were short but that they are miscut but measure correct. Like I said before, I have bought from Mr. Craik several times and have always been happy. Maybe I was just unhappy with the title "Error" since it seems to have taken on a life of its own in the past few years. Again, apologies to Mr. Craik and wish him well on the auctions.

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Here is a reall stretch for an "error" card. What do you guys think about this? I think the private auction says alot for it,.<BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=4120683703&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=4120683703&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT</a><BR><BR>Lee

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Posted By: <b>hankron</b><p>I think some collectors assume that all errors are worth a big premium. Something can be both a genuine and rare error (printing or design) and be worth little. Just because that unique and totally cool ghost overprint sells for $300, doesn't mean that any and every hideous T206 print job coming down the road is worth the same. Ugly is ugly, no matter what the rarity.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>My card has the same error, though it looks like a shadow to the text to me. I checked the Virtual Card Collection, it's in that picture, too. I'd bet that one without the shadow would really be scarce.<BR><BR><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1081201501.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>hankron</b><p>I think you need 3-glasses for that one