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01-08-2004, 07:14 PM
Posted By: <b>runscott </b><p>I know this isn't very high quality, but it's from a tintype of a team with 8 white players and a black catcher. He is wearing a fingerless glove on his right hand, not the hand holding the mask (image is reversed), meaning he's a left-handed black catcher, same as Fleetwood Walker.<BR><BR><img src="http://runscott.homestead.com/files/p1blk.jpg">
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01-08-2004, 07:22 PM
Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>I think the fingerless glove was often worn on the catcher's throwing hand so they could still grip the ball when throwing. The full glove was then worn on the non-throwing hand.?.?.
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01-08-2004, 07:29 PM
Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>but all the photos I've seen of catchers with fingerless gloves did not include an additional glove.<BR><BR>Besides the photo above, here's another example:<BR><BR><img src="http://www.homestead.com/runscott/files/cabcatch.JPG">
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01-08-2004, 07:32 PM
Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Oberlin images from 1881 he also has some receeding hairline by then. Don't think it's him but that doesn't diminish what a great image it is. I've seen that one around but from the available scans I never could tell for sure if that player was actually black. No doubt about it now. Extremely rare for a tintype!
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01-08-2004, 08:10 PM
Posted By: <b>Hankron</b><p>I don't beleive it's Walker. Having seen the whole thing, it's one of the finest baseball tintypes out there. Even without a black catcher, it would be worth a few hundred dollars. With a black catcher, it's unique.
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01-09-2004, 02:22 AM
Posted By: <b>Hankron</b><p>I may be mistaken, but I beleive that some catchers wore these gloves on both hands. Meaning that, if not always desirable, a catcher could throw with a gloved hand.
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01-09-2004, 06:38 PM
Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>I couldn't even see his features in the original; I thought the color might be a shadow. He's definitely a black catcher, but it's not Walker--I'd bet my Walker on it!
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01-09-2004, 07:29 PM
Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>but I found it interesting that another black left-handed catcher (I think he's left-handed) is catching on an otherwise white team during the same period that Walker played. I scoured the web for photos of 19th century black players as soon as I saw this item, but no luck id'ing the player. <BR><BR>My collection of multi-player 19th century photos of catchers wearing fingerless gloves has now grown to two (I'm very particular).