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10-23-2003, 04:14 PM
Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p>First, I want to point out that this seller has great feedback, and is most likely not looking to fool anybody. But, I couldnt help but notice how strange his/her t205 Young looked. <BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2760977215&category=31719&rd=1" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2760977215&category=31719&rd=1</a><BR><BR>First, the borders look oversized (both ways). I guess you see that on t205's from time to time. What's even stranger is that all 4 corners are well rounded, but there is no evidence of chipping whatsoever. Not on the corners OR the borders. This seems very unusual for a t205...from what I've noticed in collecting them, any trace of corner or edge wear whatsoever results in chipping. Any thoughts?<BR><BR>
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10-23-2003, 07:17 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I've seen some funky corners but those are amongst the funkiest. Well rounded corners with NO fraying are always suspect to me. And like you said "no chipping"....my vote would be that it's not good (just my opinion as I have no proof and can't see it in person).....I think most of us could tell for sure if seeing it in person though....good luck to whomever buys it...regards all
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10-23-2003, 07:32 PM
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Corners look sanded, gold border does not look right. <BR><BR>Stay Away,<BR><BR>Lee<BR>
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10-23-2003, 07:38 PM
Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot Lithuanian.
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10-23-2003, 07:38 PM
Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>There is no need to see this card in person. Check out how much the inner picture has been cropped (as is typical on many reproduced/rescreened issues). Both the knobs on the bats at the bottom should be fully visible. There is absolutely NO question this card is a REPRINT. Hopefully, it's only ignorance that is at work here...but even then...
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10-23-2003, 07:46 PM
Posted By: <b>rod</b><p>If you look at his other lots, there is something odd looking about many of them. How often do you see vintage cards in lower grades that are lilly whie;no toning? The colgan chip cards look totally bogus.Maybe this guy is more interested in chainsaws and husky dogs.
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10-23-2003, 07:54 PM
Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p>I didn't notice that the bats were cropped in like that. The seller has many prewar cards for sale, including two other t205's, yet this is the only card that looked funny to me. I thought there was a slight possibility that it was an advertising piece or something of that sort (the gold borders on my blank backed t205 that I have look different). But yeah, not worth the gamble.
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10-23-2003, 08:18 PM
Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>I almost bid on a similar t205 Johnson a year or two ago, but MW pointed out the rounded corners with no chipping - dead giveaway on t205s.
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10-24-2003, 03:28 AM
Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>Rod,<BR><BR>Those Colgan Chips not only look bogus, they ARE bogus. Last time I checked, they didn't have a white border around the edge.
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10-24-2003, 06:10 PM
Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>Especially the "Flick". Colgan's put the "l" and the "i" too close together, making it look, at first glance, like a four letter word that I can't say here. This card has that oddity. As for white borders, that's what happens to Colgan's when they get worn--the emulsion wears off the borders. However, with him selling so many REALly odd looking other cards, I wouldn't bid on them (if I didn't have them, which I do).
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10-24-2003, 10:54 PM
Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>Take a closer look, Julie. See how there's a uniform white "border" around the edge of each Colgan Chips reprint? (circled in the image below). In my opinion, there's little chance that edge wear could be that uniform. Compare it to one of the originals (second image). Also, it's somewhat unclear from the glare, but the background might also be missing on the reprint. Funny...none of the other images seem to have a "glare" that obscures part of the picture. Oh well....<BR><BR><font size=4><b>FAKE</b></font><BR><img src="http://members.aol.com/bmwcrds/jossfake.jpg"><BR><BR><BR><font size=4><b>ORIGINAL</b></font><BR><img src="http://members.aol.com/bmwcrds/jossreal.jpg">
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10-25-2003, 09:37 AM
Posted By: <b>TBob</b><p>Hopefully you all don't think so and they can be had for a song <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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10-25-2003, 09:51 AM
Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>TBob,<BR><BR>You are correct. Some of his cards appear to be legitimate. Just make sure you pick the right ones.
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10-27-2003, 06:41 PM
Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>disguise the creases in the card. But I don't know--you may be right. I've got a few sort of sad Colgans (as well as nice ones), and I never saw one with THAT many creases!
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10-27-2003, 06:52 PM
Posted By: <b>Brian H</b><p>I'll post the result. If it winds up being bogus I used a credit card (paypal). I get more and more skittish about buying raw cards that have been reprinted every day.... Its getting very sad the degree to which I am moving towards only graded cards in certain issues....
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10-27-2003, 06:59 PM
Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>I've bought questionable items from good sellers, and never had a problem returning items that ended up being "bad".