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07-26-2003, 09:40 PM

Posted By: botnI know that we are not "supposed" to be reporting this stuff here but it does not appear that I am interupting too many bigger issues. Have a peek at the crap that this guy is selling. <a href="http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=bellyfly69+&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=0" target=_new>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=bellyfly69+&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=0</a> I have already reported him to Power Seller Trust and Safety but last time we applied pressure and eBay actually did something. If you care to report him, here is the link. <a href="http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html" target=_new>http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html</a> Thanks, Greg

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07-26-2003, 10:32 PM

Posted By: John(z28jd)Thanks for the link.....takes just a few minutes and is well worth it,especially if we can get the items off before they end....i was shaking my head at some of the prices he already had right before i saw this thread

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07-27-2003, 07:50 AM

Posted By: John(z28jd)putting this back on the front page after someone put generic answers to a bunch of old topics to knock it off the front page.Not saying this topic specifically they were trying to get rid of but this is one that did get knocked off

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07-27-2003, 08:41 AM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Greg, I also reported this fool yesterday. These scammers should atleast come up with something original instead of the same tired Estate sell which only contains expensive cards of Ruth, Jackson, Cobb etc. I wouldn't apoligize for this post, if we don't help police the hobby, Who will? Be well Brian

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07-27-2003, 08:59 AM

Posted By: Brian Weisner I've tried to Bump all of the current board topics back to the front page. Anonymous must have bought some cards at an estate sale. Be well Brian

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07-27-2003, 09:37 AM

Posted By: Steal home Is the scam that the cards are not real? or is the scam that you will never receive the cards at the end of the auctions?

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07-27-2003, 09:39 AM

Posted By: Brian Weisner The cards aren't real. I would assume you would get them, because they aren't worth anything. Be well Brian

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07-27-2003, 12:47 PM

Posted By: HankronI've decided that I am all for private auction (seriously). Because this is the easiest way for a beginner to identify scams. One doesn't have to know the first thing about cards. All the total beginner has to know is to avoid private ebay auctions (along with ones that say, as in this one, "No guarantee" and "All sales are final"), and he or she will automatically bypass 85+ perecent of these scams. A private auction is the equivalent of an email header saying "This is spam. Delete before reading message." Viva private eBay auctions!

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07-27-2003, 12:54 PM

Posted By: HankronA related point being that if private auctions were abolished (as I previously advocated), the scammers would turn to other perhaps less obvious techniques. Using a private eBay auction is such an obvious and simple to identify red flag, we really should consider their use by scammers a gift. As Tarzan said, "Private auction me no bid."

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07-27-2003, 01:13 PM

Posted By: HankronI hate to beat a dead horse (Obviously, that's not true or I would shut up once in a while), but in one or moe of these auctions, the seller says: "All sales are final with no guarantees" Even if you know virtually nothing about baseball cards, the seller is literally saying, "I will not and am not guaranteeing that the card is authentic or in the condition stated, and there is no way you can return it after you have bought it." Again, even assuming you know absolutely nothing about baseball cards, why on God's green earth would you choose to accept these conditions. Especially considering that almost all other eBay sellers (almost all who are honest and reliable!) offer some sort of guarantee and return policy. I say, go ahead and win that T205 Mathewson or 33 Goudey Gehrig, because you get exactly what you deserve.

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07-27-2003, 01:32 PM

Posted By: Hankron "Common sense isn't very common" -- Voltaire

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07-27-2003, 05:03 PM

Posted By: botnI know that I could be interupting someone's personal agenda but I did want to let you know that all but one of the seller's auctions were taken down. Now back to your regularly scheduled rant...

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07-28-2003, 12:25 PM

Posted By: TBobbut the ads are all back. I just emailed ebay about them using the link provided above. We'll see if it does any good. Bob

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07-28-2003, 01:05 PM

Posted By: botntbob You could never spoil my day. I am glad that you had the time to assist. Next time that I go to ebay to buy up more stuff, I will contact the Power Seller Trust and Safety again. Greg

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07-28-2003, 09:01 PM

Posted By: TBob<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2744620225&category=31719" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2744620225&category=31719</a> He's back on ebay with a whole new slew of estate "finds" Could someone else help out and report this guy? Thanks, the link is in the first post in this thread.

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07-28-2003, 09:09 PM

Posted By: botntbob, I reported him again. I have a bad feeling that ebay will let the auctions run this time. I agree that this guy whould be hung by his...but he has changed his wording enough which might prevent eBay from legally being able to end the auctions. I will apply pressure when I get back from dinner and call the 24/7 line. Greg

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07-29-2003, 12:24 AM

Posted By: botnI know that this gets away from collecting but for those that care, I want to bring you up to date. For everyone else, just do not read the thread. I believe that eBay cancelled all of his auctions under what they call Authenticity Disclaimer that is defined on their site as follows: Sellers may not disclaim knowledge of, or responsibility for, the authenticity or legality of the items offered in their listings. Sellers should take steps to satisfy themselves that their items are authentic before listing them on eBay. If you cannot verify the authenticity of an item, do not list it. The following examples violate eBay's Authenticity Disclaimer Policy: "I cannot guarantee the authenticity of this item, so please bid accordingly." "Vintage Handbag Chanel???" Warning: The repeated use of authenticity disclaimers could result in the ending of your listings and possible suspension from eBay. This is why he re-listed the cards removing the language that lead to their removal. I have brought that to ebay's attention. If he has already admitted to being unsure of their authenticity when originally listing them (which is BS) and he re-listed the same cards within 24 hours, it would reason that they should not permit these cards to be listed again. If that does not work then he will be suspended for False Contact Information. I bid on one of his lots and pulled up his contact info. He claims to be in WV yet his telephone number is for OH and is not a valid number. Greg

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07-29-2003, 12:41 AM

Posted By: Lee BehrensIs that this is the bozo we ran off a short time ago. The account was created July 19 shortly after that guy got nixed. It is sickning to continually see this stuff come up.

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07-29-2003, 01:43 PM

Posted By: TBobCheck out this picture: <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2744744223&category=31719" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2744744223&category=31719</a> Compare it to the picture from the Library of Congress: <img src="http://members.aol.com/trophybob/fake.jpg"> Is eBay blind? Gutless?

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07-29-2003, 01:50 PM

Posted By: TBobI hope the buyers from this guy sue ebay. I will be glad to provide an affidavit that ebay knew in advance that the items were counterfeit and did nothing. This is a different situation than when ebay pretends it didn't know. This time they know!

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07-29-2003, 04:03 PM

Posted By: Not AnonymousHow many times do you think people will try to return here to bury this thread under anonymous postings?

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07-29-2003, 04:17 PM

Posted By: Not AnonymousBack to the top of the charts, this thread is Anonymous' least favorite song...

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07-29-2003, 05:36 PM

Posted By: Dan MathewsonWow, TBob, great research on the counterfeit. I see eBay is up to its old tricks...ignore it, who cares, we're making money off of it. What a shame... -dan

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07-30-2003, 10:09 AM

Posted By: runscottI don't have much sympathy for the bidders, but it also irks me to see ebay turning into another Yahoo Auctions - I really hope James' idea for vintage card auctions takes off.

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07-30-2003, 10:10 AM

Posted By: runscotthope things are going well with you

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07-30-2003, 11:00 AM

Posted By: PianoLegsGreat call on the Glasscock image, TBob. I also reported this guy to Ebay, though I doubt they'll do anything considering the profit he's about to bring them. I have worked with the L of C before, and know they are fastidious about copyright issues. Even though the cards themselves may not be copyright protected, the library's own images and scans ARE. Any reproductions of the same MUST include the L of C credit line; so I contacted the copyright division with a link to the auction. It's probably too late to do much about this auction, but maybe they'll pressure Ebay or at least keep an eye on this guy's images before he jets off to eternal anonymity on August 8th. Thanks so much for this great site!

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07-30-2003, 12:04 PM

Posted By: TBobI have emailed them several times, included pictures of the L of C images, links galore, and even questioned their intestinal fortitude. Nothing. Nada. Zip. I am thinking of being the high bidder on one of the cards just to file criminal charges against this guy as that might be the only way to stop him. It seems so fruitless, like Sisyphus pushing the giant boulder up the hill in mythology, time after time, only to have it roll back down on him.

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07-30-2003, 12:16 PM

Posted By: leonSisyphus can now be cured with penicillin <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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07-30-2003, 02:13 PM

Posted By: TBobNice one :-P

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08-02-2003, 08:28 PM

Posted By: TBobI posted here to send the link back to the top so everyone could use it to report this con artist. The link is in the first post. Here's one of this con artist's listings: <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745501809&category=31719" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745501809&category=31719</a>

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08-02-2003, 08:41 PM

Posted By: botnI went looking for this thread and could not find it. Wanted to get it to the top. Everytime this freak comes back I want to bring him down. I think that we may have ebay's undivided attention now. Keep up the pressure guys. Only his reprint auctions are private. <a href="http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=eagle8016&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=0" target=_new>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=eagle8016&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=0</a> Greg

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08-02-2003, 10:22 PM

Posted By: John(z28jd)I reported him and had 2 other people not from this board do the same......please help out following the link in the first post in this thread,it literally takes 2-3 minutes,the more the better viva la thread!

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08-06-2003, 07:26 PM

Posted By: TBobOh this is toooooo much: <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2746179038&category=31719" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2746179038&category=31719</a>

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08-06-2003, 07:39 PM

Posted By: jay berhenswho ever sunshineboy is, one he posts a response to your neg feedback, I believe you are allowed to respond again. Keep hammering away. Jay

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08-07-2003, 02:12 PM

Posted By: TBobThe link is at the top of this thread. please help us get rid of this guy!

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08-07-2003, 04:12 PM

Posted By: PianoLegsTom Boblitt alerted us to this guy yesterday: prizesports@yahoo.com, Now he is either lifting scans from bellyfly69 and eagle8016 or he/she has a VERY close relationship with them. Compare the prizesport 1952 Bowman Mantle #101 (#2746027343) with that of eagle (completed # 2745508898). Same card. Compare the prizesport 1895 Mayo Cut Plug Hugh Duffy (#2746030801) with that of eagle (completed # 2745501375). Same card again. Each of these auctions began within two hours after eagle’s similar auction ended. Huh. Prizesports’ 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Ty Cobb #1 (2745986303) is the same card as that in bellyfly69’s auction (completed #2744524483). If you want to see some cards that will make you spit coffee onto your keyboard, check out the guy's website (www.prizesports.net). If you’ve always wanted a Cobb T206 whose corners could cut drywall, it’ll be like going home again.

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08-07-2003, 04:27 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner This guy's Trim jobs make Pro cards look good, and check out his return policy. We reserve the right to change our minds whenever we choose. The name of this site should be "Trimmed Kards R US " OR "Some of our Trimmed cards are real.com". later Brian

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08-07-2003, 06:35 PM

Posted By: ElliotPiano Legs---please contact me, or I will be forced to delete your posts. thanks, Elliot

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08-07-2003, 07:20 PM

Posted By: Piano LegsSure, Elliot. Just let me know how to do that.

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08-07-2003, 07:21 PM

Posted By: Joe_G.I reported five of his 19th century lots (he has a couple new entries). I got a letter back from Ebay claiming two of them have already been reported and are under investigation. Lot 2745928643 - 20 Old Judge card lot which is just over $2500 with 10 hours left to go. Lot 2746322692 - 5 Old Judge lot including a Anson portrait. Just trying to do my part to stop these reprints from spreading across the globe as real cards. Many will find their way back onto Ebay from multiple sellers. Instead of watching out for a handful, it could become 100's.

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08-07-2003, 08:40 PM

Posted By: TBobWhat a damn shame that ebay could care less about scam artists like Eagle and his ilk. Prizesport and another guy crawled out from their rocks tonight. The vintage card section is like a mine field filled with fakes, replicas, reproductions and copies.

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08-07-2003, 11:29 PM

Posted By: Elliotnyknightsfan@aol.com

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08-08-2003, 08:15 AM

Posted By: TBobOther than giving the ebay complaint department something to read and then ignore, are we serving any purpose other than alerting each other about the scam artists like Eagle8016? I think the boycott of ebay being discussed might be the only way to hit them where it counts, in the pocketbook. I continue to report their cards...