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Posted By: <b>Elliot&nbsp; </b><p>Does anybody know what happened to Brian? I just noticed that a couple of his eBay accounts have been NARU'd. No recent negatives, has he run afoul of one of eBay's numerous rules?

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>...

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I believe he might have exposed, or tried to expose, some BS and got burned for it.....regards all

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>NO-CRYING-IN-BASEBALL & THE SPLENDID - SPLINTER*....... HE GOT BUSTED FOR BIDDING AGAINST HIMSELF IN AUCTION # 2727779671. REAL ETHICAL AND SMART &lt;LOL&gt;..........REGARDS BROOKS

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>Is eBay now NARUing users to prevent them from hurting themselves?<BR><BR>I've seen stranger things than that bid history, but none come to mind at the moment.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>the same person who is selling these two beauties?<BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729660949" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729660949</a><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729669032" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729669032</a>

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Posted By: <b>Charlie</b><p>problem if he used 2 id's to bid?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Anyone that wants to bid against themselves in my auctions may do so......best regards (

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>YOU KNOW DAMN WELL IT IS SCOTT AND I DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS IT. HE HAS ACTED SO PIOUS ON THIS BOARD FOR SO LONG ,HE SHOULD BE EXPOSED FOR THE CHARLATON HE IS. BY THE WAY WOULD YOU CARE TO SEE ANY OF HIS MATURE EMAILS TO ME.......GREAT READING

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>PULL UP THE BID HISTORY ON THIS AUCTION AND TELL ME IT DOESN'T SMELL.......EBAY THOUGHT SO AND THEY ARE THE HARDEST TO CONVINCE

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>I AM SUPRISED AT YOUR REACTIUON LEON, COMMING FROM SOMEONE WHO EXPOUNDS ETHICS IN THE HOBBY.............OH WELL YOU SLEEP WITH THE DOGS YOU WAKE UP WITH FLEAS

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>but apparently it could indicate you are shill bidding for the seller. <BR><BR>It's very interesting that Brian would get canned, yet Broadway Rick's Scam Zone is alive and well, and even kept their feedback. It's all about $'s, and Brian doesn't bring in as many for ebay as BRSZ.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>the fleas wake up with their wings clipped

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Explain to us please why it would be wrong? Basically, isn't it "upping" your own bid? What am I missing?.....as far as fleas go I get flea powdered every week.....btw, why do you continuously sell trimmed cards on ebay without mentioning it? best regards

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Posted By: <b>BRPPKS</b><p>SO LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS .....IT IS NOT RIGHT TO PUNISH ONE TRANSGRESSION AS LONG AS WE BELIEVE SOME ONE HAS DONE AS MUCH OR WORSE WITHOUT RETRIBUTIOIN?.......SOUNDS LIKE A LIBERAL COMMIE-PINKO TREE-HUGGING RESPONSE TO ME

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>IF YOU CANNOT PULL UP THE BID HISTORY AND FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF I CANNOT ASSIST YOU.....AS FOR ME LISTING TRIMMED CARDS WITHOUT MENTIONING IT , I FEEL THAT IT IS A FALSE CHARGE AND I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY FEEDBACK WOULD SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS.......I AM SORRY I SULLIED YOUR BUDDY'S REPUTATION,ACTUALLY I DIDN'T NEED ANY HELP, BUT NOW I KNOW WHERE YOUR ALLIANCE AND ETHICS RESIDE

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Posted By: <b>Brian H.</b><p>would be if he was in some way in cahoots with the seller (a consignor). Was he ??

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>HARD TO PROVE BUT WHAT WOULD GOOD OLD COMMON SENSE TELL YOU....IF IT DOESN'T SET OFF ALARM BELLS WHAT WILL

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Posted By: <b>Brian H</b><p>Very clever, I guess someone convinced ebay...

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I agree...but what stops anyone from being in cahoots with anyone? It would be just as easy for ANYONE to bid on anyone's stuff with behind the scenes agreements. However, I still don't understand why you would need two ebay handles to do that, as far as that went..... I will admit it is not common practice. BROOKS- AS FAR AS ALLIANCES GO I REALLY HAVE NOTHING PERSONALLY AGAINST YOU AS YOU ARE A NICE PERSON. I KNOW BRIAN D. PRETTY WELL AND WHILE A LITTLE HOT HEADED IN THE PAST, AND WRITER OF SOME OUTRAGEOUS EMAILS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM DO ANYTHING LIKE SELLING BOGUS CARDS...PLEASE SHOW ME IF HE HAS....... THE N526 THAT YOU SAID WAS A POSSIBLE "SALESMANS SAMPLE" WAS A STRETCH....(IN MY NOVICE OPINION.) THE COLLINS T205 YOU HAVE UP RIGHT NOW IS EXTREMELY SUSPECT OF TRIMMING ON BOTTOM....THERE WERE SEVERAL CARDS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ON THE BOARD THAT YOU NEVER GOT PAST....IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY..OTHERWISE, AGAIN I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY PERSONAL PROBLEMS WITH YOU AND HOPE NOT TO IN THE FUTURE...I WAS MERELY STATING MY OPINION.......BEST REGARDS

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Posted By: <b>Brian H.</b><p>I've never had a problem with BcD (or Leon or Brooks, for that matter). <BR><BR>As for the trimming allegations -- I personally find it rather difficult to sell some cards for the following reasons:<BR>1. I can only know for certain it was trimmed unless I saw it happen..<BR>2. I can know that it is possible/likely if the card looks questionable, measures wrong or if someone (or something like a grading company) told me that there was evidence of trimming.<BR>3. Just because someone(something) told me that there was evidence of trimming doesn't mean it was so ESPECIALLY with the cards most of us collect which weren't exactly cut in mass quantities in high tech factories with laser beams. Actually, in certain situations I think that I may know more about certain issues than the professional graders etc and that I certainly am not limited to a few minutes to make my conclusion about whether a given card has been trimmed or whatever.<BR>4. For this reason (and to my certain economic detriment) I note in descriptions when I think that a card may not "grade" even when I am all but certain that it was not trimmed.<BR>5. Probably my solution is ethically unassailble. Nonetheless, I am not comfortable saying that it is necessarily unethical NOT to say that a card "may not grade" where one does not believe it was trimmed or something like that.<BR><BR>(The above has NOTHING to do with any particular card anyone is selling or has sold me or anyone else on ebay or otherwise, its just my personal conclusion on the matter).

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Posted By: <b>JC</b><p>I can vouch for both Brooks and Leon. I've never delt with Brian though. After he sells me something I will get involved in giving my opinions (not that you want to hear them).

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I also don't see what DCD did wrong. If you bother to take a look at his entire bid history, you see that almost every auction he bids in he has bids placed under 2 accounts. I have talked to him about this and he said that he just bids with whatever account he is logged in with.<BR><BR>I looked at teh auction you mentioned. Looking at the times that bids were placed, I don't really see anything suspicious. He didn't bid with both accounts on the same day. So what's the problem?<BR><BR>Looks more like you have a personal problem with BCD and you may have just bought yourself a world of trouble if he is as unstable as you claim he is.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>BRIAN C DANIELS</b><p>can e-mail me for the correspondence. Brook,who is 64,fat and senile...not to mention blind by his own admission,is falacious and even though he tried rrrrreeeeaaaallll hard to get me suspended for using two handles to bid on T-206's I have commonly bid on for almost 5 years now.My closing the accounts in question have nothing to do with what he thinks he can write clearly enough for someone,( e-bay safe harbor)to interpret and possibly act upon. I am on business as usual & there is nothing wrong or unethical about bidding on cards from two handles. I did not outbid myself.I simply rebid with one of my other handles again later while posting items for sale......outbidding dildo man in the process so he started to bark.Being a trailer park junkyard dog waiting for the next trimmed gravy left overs from someone with money's real collection they liquidated, And selling stupid belly boy the scraps because they feel sorry for him in the twilight of his useless and purpose free life gave him the motivation to camp on this chat board waiting for me to state something about him so he could go off on his alleged accomplishment of disbaring me (NOT!) from e-bay!<BR>For anyone who wants to see my response to Brook's absurd and demented e-mails,feel free to ask me.You'll laugh until you howl.You will never see a bigger,dunce who does not even know what I look like yet goes on and on about my appearance,( and is blind to boot!) wealth,accomplishments et...et..et..ZZZZZZZZZzzz brook,you have trimmed trash. Left over garbage from collections of folks who have had jobs. Even Pete and I have agreed on the quality & desireability of many a card! A card! The bare minimal of commonality on this board! You brook,have nothing but **** nad want to attempt to retaliate for being caught with your hand me down pants down! And this is going to have some big effect on my life?card dealings? $$$$$$$$ MONEY Brook? I don't think so pal. you still try to peddle cards the previous owners would be too embarrassed to be connected to.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>1. Yes, at times you CAN tell, simply by visually inspecting the card.<BR>2. Actually, you can be almost dead certain, which is good enough reason to state in your description that a card is trimmed.<BR>3. You can state that you bought it "as trimmed", but that you think it might be okay. This would be ethical<BR>4. I applaud you for this - this is what all sellers should do, but most would not.<BR>5. Too many double-negatives in this one for me to figure out what you were trying to say <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><BR>

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Was I around 80 years ago to see the card trimmed? No. <BR><BR>Do I have enough brain power to determine that this card had the bottom cut off by another human being? Yes.<BR><BR>Will this card be re-sold as "measures a little short and may not grade"? Possibly. <BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729418520" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729418520</a>

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>Brian,<BR><BR>I don't mean to offend you, but your post above reflects the same type of general (feigned) ignorance that many charlatans and scalawags use to sell reprinted and altered vintage material on eBay. To suggest that it is difficult or impossible to tell if some vintage issues have been trimmed or altered is not only ridiculous, but logically bereft.<BR><BR><BR><i>&lt;&lt; 1. I can only know for certain it was trimmed unless I saw it happen.&gt;&gt;</i><BR><BR>Say what? That's analogous to saying that you don't know if a bank has been robbed unless you see the masks, handguns and bags full of money leaving through the front door.<BR><BR><BR><i>&lt;&lt; 3. Just because someone(something) told me that there was evidence of trimming doesn't mean it was so ESPECIALLY with the cards most of us collect which weren't exactly cut in mass quantities in high tech factories with laser beams. &gt;&gt;</i><BR><BR>You're right. They weren't. But that fact makes vintage issues EASIER to examine for evidence of tampering, not more difficult. Anyone can duplicate a modern cut, but it is much more difficult to deceptively trim a vintage issue and fool an experienced collector. Vintage issues nearly always have very specific cuts (angle of cut, cross-section) unique to the year of issue; and in those cases where an abnormal factory cut is suspected, a host of other clues, including those that relate to consistent wear and the age of the card, can easily be collected and applied to determine the likelihood of tampering.<BR><BR><BR><i>&lt;&lt; 4. For this reason (and to my certain economic detriment) I note in descriptions when I think that a card may not "grade" even when I am all but certain that it was not trimmed. &gt;&gt;</i><BR><BR>If a card does not grade there is usually a very good reason for it. Experienced and legitimate grading companies (i.e., SGC) do not reject cards unless there is clear evidence that they should not be encapsulated. These reasons include: tampering or alteration, authenticity, hobby legitimacy or signs of restoration.<BR><BR>The bottom line is that a card is either trimmed or it is not. Those who list vintage cards on eBay with the disclaimers "may be trimmed", "sold as is", "no returns for any reason", "looks good to me but I'm not sure", "Is 100% unaltered but no one will grade it" are confused; for what they really meant to write was, "I'm selling altered cards but please ignore this fact when bidding."<BR>

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>edited as it was a duplicate post.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><BR> I agree with Leon and MW. I don't have any problems with BCD'S bidding and I think it's pretty easy to spot trimmed T206's on Ebay. <BR><BR> PS BCD What's the real scoop?<BR> LMK Brian<BR>

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>If you are going to respond to a post, read it first.<BR><BR>

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>You are flat out lying. You told me that you sent the Lennox Reulbach t206 and several other cards to PSA, and they came back as "trimmed". I told you in advance that they were trimmed and that the Lennox was sold to me as trimmed, so you obviously were trying to screw people when you sold it without mentioning that it was trimmed. So that makes you a liar.<BR>

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>I agree that Brooks is a pleasant guy to know and to talk to, but I would not touch any of his cards with a 10-foot x-acto knife.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>&lt;&lt; 1. I can only know for certain it was trimmed unless I saw it happen.&gt;&gt;<BR><BR>"Say what? That's analogous to saying that you don't know if a bank has been robbed unless you see the masks, handguns and bags full of money leaving through the front door."<BR><BR>It is a valid analogy and refusal to jump to conclusions without eyewitness reports is something that the law has recognized for hundreds of years. How many times do we need to review the Evidence Code, kids? If you were not there and did not see something being done, you cannot offer direct eyewitness testimony to its being done. You either heard about it from someone else (hearsay) or you have made an observation of circumstantial evidence and come to a conclusion based on it. In that circumstance, you THINK you are right, but you have no way of knowing for sure. All you can do is offer an expert opinion as to what happened. That's it. <BR><BR>This is a very serious distinction--there are a lot of people on death row based on circumstantial evidence and conclusions that DNA testing is now disproving.

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Posted By: <b>Jerry</b><p>Excuse my ignorance, but I don't see the problem in the way Daniels bid? What IS the issue here?

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>especially concerning the law, so don't take this the wrong way please.<BR><BR>Card descriptions on ebay are used to describe cards accurately, to the best of knowledge of the seller <BR><BR>Everyone here realizes that you CAN legally leave out the fact that a card is trimmed, simply because you didn't see it trimmed. Yes, we all are very aware that deception is okay legally in these examples...in fact, it's not even legally considered deception. <BR><BR>We do not live our lives by trying to describe and interpret life around us in terms of what we can get away with legally - in fact, most of us consider people who do this to be "sneaky" and we don't trust them. Maybe lawyers DO live their lives this way, but I don't think so.

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Posted By: <b>julie</b><p>...

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>OKAY DCOTT I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING TO ANY ONE ABOUT YOU SELLING ME A CARD THAT WAS TRIMMED. I ONCE HAD IT ON EBAY ANND IT DID NOT SELL. I SUBMITTED IT TO PSA AND IT CAME BACK TRIMMED. NOW LETS GET TO THE GIST OF THIS, WHEN I CALLED YOU AND TOLD YOU ABOUT THE PSA GRADE SND THEN YOU SAID YOU KNEW IT WAS TRIMMED AS YOU BOUGHT IT LIKE THAT. SO I ATE THE CARD. I STILL HAVE IT IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME A REFUND, SO WHOSE THE LIAR NOW . PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ROCK-THROWING. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT BCD BUT SOMEHOW YOU RELISH BASHUNG ME ON THIS BOARD.WHEN YOU GET THE EMAILS FROM BCD MAKE SURE YOU GET THE UNABRIDGE ONES THAT HAVE THE UNNEXESSARY LEWD AND PROFANE REMARKS ABOUT MY MOTHER. I'M SURE YOUR BOARD WILL BE AS IMPRESSED WITH HIS MATURITY AND COMMAND OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AS I WASE. CIRCLE THE WAGONS AROUND BCD YOU DESERVE HIM

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Many of the people on this board saw the t206 Lennox Reulbach that I auctioned on ebay, as well as my description which stated clearly that it was trimmed. You then bought it from me and tried to sell it on ebay without mentioning that it was trimmed.<BR><BR>NEW LITTLE TIDBIT I SAVED: You then apparently bought it from yourself on ebay (how did you do this?) and then sent it to PSA...because not only are you are blind, but you also have no memory.<BR><BR>You then called me, unsolicited, and attempted to explain your innocence in regard to all the trimmed cards you had been selling. You also listed a load of cards you had sent to PSA, many of which were rejected (including all that we accused you of selling sans "trim" description). This leads me to believe that the t205 Collins (trimmed variation) that you are currently dumping must also have come back from PSA with the trimmed designation. Brooks, you little crook, you!<BR><BR>You would be best off just disappearing for a while, or at least sticking a sock in your mouth.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Text from original auction ending November 3, 2002, that Brooks "the Butcher of San Antonio" Newell won from me, then re-sold with no mention of hand-cutting, trimming, or anything else. Apparently the price he got on ebay wasn't good enough because oddly, he called me later to tell me he had submitted it to PSA!...after he sold it on ebay !?!<BR><BR>1909-1911 T206 LENOX BACK - REULBACH<BR>Gorgeous rare LENOX back and also a very nice crease-free front picture of Ed Reulbach Although this card has been hand-cut at the top, it still measures correctly for a T206! Great chance to pick up a beautiful LENOX back at an affordable price. Thanks for looking - please be sure to check out my other auctions currently running.<BR><BR><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/catchme/405REUL2.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>julie</b><p>certain Old Judges and certain T202s have been trimmed. Old Judges come in all sorts of sizes and shapes and cuts. T202s are so long--who's to say whether a slightly short one was trimmed or made that way? A cynical person might say that all T202 HOFers have been trimmed; all commons are O.K...

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Julie, it seems the real issue here is Brooks and his lack properly describing his cards, yet villifying someone who has seemingly done nothing wrong. <BR><BR>Yes, OJs and t202s have odd cuts, but I've seen Brooks offer an OJ. Not sure about t202s. <BR><BR>I know I am still waiting on Brooks response to Scott. I've never bought a card from Brooks, but the more see about him and his responses to different sitiuations makes less inclinced to want to buy anything from him.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>BROOKSW</b><p>THANK YOU FOR POSTING YOUR ORIGINAL AUCTION DESCRIPTION THAT DOES NOT REFER TO ANY TRIMMING, OR IS HAND CUT YOUR CODE WORD. CARD MEASURES CORRECTLY AS YOU STATED IN YOUR AUCTION.........FAST FORWARD NOW AND I GET ASCCUSED OF SELLING A MYSTERY PERSON THIS CARD .....WHO???? INSINUATING I DID'T GET ENOUGH AND BOUGHT IT BACK MYSELF. THEN WHEN I SUBMITTED IT TO PSA AND IT CAME BACK AS EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING I GAVE YOU AN "UNSOLICITED PHONE CALL"(YOUR WORDS) AND THEN YOU SAID YOU KNEW IT WAS TRIMMED AS YOU HAD PERCHASED IT THAT WAY FROM BROCKLEMANN.........FUNNY I DID NOT SEE THAT IN YOUR DESCRIPTION..........WHO IS BEING DECEPTIVE NOW?...........PROTECT YOUR BUDDY BCD AND TRY TO SHIFT THE SUBJECT,BUT YOU BETTER BE ABLE TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS BETTER.......YOU JUST TOLD ON YOURSELF IN WRITING. I STILL HAVE IT IF YOU WISH TO GIVE A REFUND

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>HOW'S THAT FOR A RESPONSE

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Sorry Brooks, but several board members saw it on ebay, and, yes, it SOLD. Do you think that when you pull this crap others don't talk about it off-line? There was a great deal of discussion when you sold the Reulbach on ebay without mentioning that it was altered. <BR><BR>What we didn't realize at the time was that it must have been another one of your handles that won it...from YOU! Either that, or the buyer refused to pay for it. I have no idea, but in any case, you somehow ended up again with a card that you "SOLD" on ebay.<BR><BR>Again, my suggestion is that you put tape over your keyboard to protect yourself from yourself.

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>I DID NOT SAY THAT I DIDN'T POST IT IN EBAY, AS I DID, BUT IT WAS NOT SOLD.I AM SURE IF IT WAS YOU AND YOUR CRONIES WOULD HAVE THE BUYERS NAME,WHAT WITH YOUR SUPERB POWERS OF RECOLLECTION. I ONLY HAVE ONE ID AS I SEE NO REASON TO HAVE MULTIPLES. NOW LET'S GET BACK TO THE POINTS THAT YOU SO ADROITLY SKIPPED OVER WHILE TRYING TO SHIFT THE BLAME. WHERE IN YOUR DESCRIPTION, WHEN YOU POSTED IT ON EBAY(YOUR PREVIOUS LETTER),DOES IT SAY TRIMMED? THIS IS IN LIGHT OF YOUR OWN ADMISSION THAT YOU BOUGHT THE CARD KNOWING IT WAS TRIMMED. ADDRESS THE WHOLE ISSUE AND ANSWER THE TOUGH QUESTIONS, YOU STARTED THIS "BEOOKS BASHING" WHEN THE SUBJECT WASN'T EVEN ABOUT ME. LIKE I SAID BEFORE THIS BOARD SOMETIMES HAS A SHARK FEEDING MENTALITY AND BULLIES PEOPLE. YOU PICKED ON THE WRONG GUY TO TRY AND INTIMIDATE. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ASKED OR ARE YOU AFRAID THAT YOU MAY HAVE PUT YOUR FOOT INTO YOUR MOUTH UP TO THE KNEE. I AM SURE YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO FORGET THIS NOW BUT YOU OPENED THIS CAN OF WORMS NOT ME.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Brooks, you brought this upon yourself. Between this recent episode and your sometimes questionable descriptions of the cards you sell, you have done nothing to win over any future customers. I've had several people tell me that you are a decent guy, but your outbursts here, you lack of full disclosure on some cards, combined with my run-in with you gives me no reason to trust or want to buy anything from you. You sell lots of stuff on eBay and you have seen the power that this board can weild in the vintage catagory. You certainly aren;t doing anything to help your business.<BR><BR>As for you accusing scott of doding the issue and trying to change the subject, you have not addressed the question asked by numerous other people in this thread, "What sis BCD do wrong that is so obvious to you, but to no one else on this board?" Try answering that question instead. <BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Abnormally high levels of "buttockxin" in your brain.<BR><BR>So I will help you out. Following is a definition of the verb "trim", found in Webster's Dictionary: "to make neat or orderly by clipping". There was nothing "neat or orderly" about the top cut of the Reulbach, so I gave it an extremely accurate description of "hand-cut". This same description would have sufficed when you re-sold it (to yourself), but, yes, "trimmed" would have been okay as well. <BR><BR>But now I will serve this concept up to you on a platter, then I WILL RESPECTFULLY RETIRE FROM THIS ASSININE DISCUSSION.<BR><BR>Here are two cards I am currently auctioning, one described as "trimmed" (note the orderly and neat bottom cut - but not neat enough to elude detection),<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729418520" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729418520</a>,<BR><BR>and here's one described as "hand cut" <BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729418574(note" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2729418574(note</a> the cut job which is anything but neat and orderly). I'll repeat this one for you as well: I WILL NOW RESPECTFULLY RETIRE FROM THIS ASSININE DISCUSSION.

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Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING personal or on a busines level against Scott or Brooks, this is just the truth as I see it:<BR><BR>In auctions posted by Brooks AND Scott I have found some of the descriptions to be somewhat less then 100% accurate.<BR><BR>If Brooks bought the Lenox card as trimmed & sold the Lenox card without mentioning it was trimmed then he is WRONG but I feel Scott is just as WRONG for buying a card as trimmed and selling it as "hand cut." Saying "hand cut" doesn't excuse the lack of the word "trimmed" in the description if that's how he bought the card originally. Even if Scott didn't buy the Lenox T206 as "trimmed" I know the effort and time Scott has put into T206s so I know he knows better. <BR><BR>The way I see it neither party is innocent so can we call this one a draw?

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Actually, I bought it as "Hand cut", "measures correctly", from someone who participates on this board.<BR><BR>And, yes, you do have issues with me, so don't try to play mediator.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Please. If it can be counted or cataloged, then, yes, you know what you are talking about;otherwise, I might as well ask for insight from my dog. Please, don't attempt to tell me what I know or don't know.

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Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>Just seemed silly that two people who were guilty of the same "style" of describing cards were going at each other.

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Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>Thank you Scott. I thought after all your research into T206 printing that you learned something which is why I said "your know better." I even gave you my thoughts. I guess you didn't learn anything. Thank you for correcting me.<BR><BR>If we do have issues I didn't realize it. Please email me directly - I like to know what they are.

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>YOU WISH TO RETIRE FROM THIS DISCUSSION AS YOU CANNOT COME UP WITH THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS.<BR>1. YOU SOLD ME THAT CARD KNOWING IT WAS TRIMMED BUT DID NOT DESCRIBE IT THAT WAY IN YOUR AUCTION. YOU ONLY STATED THAT TO ME AFTER I SUBMITTED IT TO PSA.THESE ARE YOUR WORDS FROM AN EARLIER BOARD POSTING.Okay Brooks - you asked for it May 16 2003, 8:50 AM <BR><BR>You are flat out lying. You told me that you sent the Lennox Reulbach t206 and several other cards to PSA, and they came back as "trimmed". I told you in advance that they were trimmed and that the Lennox was sold to me as trimmed, so you obviously were trying to screw people when you sold it without mentioning that it was trimmed. So that makes you a liar.<BR><BR>2. I POSTED THE CARD BEFORE IT WAS SUBMITTED NOT KNOWING IT WAS TRIMMED AND IT WAS NOT SOLD AS YOU CLAIM.<BR><BR>3.WITH ALL YOUR FALSE ACCUSATIONS YOU HAVE YET TO PROVIDE A BUYER OR ITEM #<BR><BR>4. AS I ONLY HAVE ONE ID IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BID ON MY OWN LISTINGS THE LAST I CHECKED.<BR><BR>5. THIS CARD HAS NOT BEEN LISTED SINCE IT CAME BACK FROM PSA AND YOU WERE INFORMED.<BR><BR>I HAVE ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR ALLEGATIONS AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO AVOID MINE. STEP UP TO THE PLATE SCOTT AND EITHER ADMIT YOU ARE A LIAR OR PROVIDE SOME SUBSTANTATING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR BOGUS ALLEGATIONS. YOU SIR ARE GUILTY OF WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF WITH THE TRIMMED CARDS AND YOU SIR ARE THE ONE WHO SOLD IT TO ME IN GOOD FAITH .STAY RETIRED FROM THIS DISCUSSION,THAT YOU INITIATED, IF YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING BUT CRAWFISH<BR><BR> <BR>

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I still want to know why you are continueing to dodge the issue that started this whole thread:<BR><BR>WHAT DID BCD DO THAT IS SO OBVIOUS TO YOU, BUT NOT TO ANYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD?<BR><BR>Try answering that question first, then we can worry about scott's symantics once you've cleared yourself.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>OBVIOUSLY YOU DID NOT READ MNY EARLIER REPLY TO THAT QUERY JAY. I DID NOT SUSPEND BCD,<BR> EBAY DID. ALL I DID WAS QUESTION HIS SUSPECT BIDDING PRACTICES OF BIDDING AGAINST HIS HIMSELF WITH DIFFERENT ID'S. YOU SHIFTED HORSES IN MID-STREAM AS YOU INITIALLY ASKED ME TO REPLY TO SCOTTS' ALLEGATIONS, WHICH I DID. FURTHERMORE I AM NOT CONCERNED WETHER YOU BID ON ANY OF MY AUCTIONS OR NOT AS IT IS VERY CLEAR FROM YOUR BIAS RESPONSES THAT YOUR MIND IS ALREADY MADE UP AND NOTHING I SAY WILL CHANGE IT,NOR WILL I TRY

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Posted By: <b>julie</b><p>Alleghenys are hand cut--I see no purpose in calling a cut-off, even messily--card "hand cut" when it is "trimmed." "sloppily trimmed" is also an alternative. And then to claim that you have told someone that a card is "trimmed" when what you have told him is that it's "hand cut" is--sort of dishonest.<BR><BR>In other words, since hand cut has other than bad connotations, it seems unwise and not honest to use it as as substitute for trimmed.<BR><BR>I long ago decided that BCD was too smart for me to keep up with...

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Posted By: <b>BCD</b><p>No Crying-ain't crying and after the investigation concludes i'll bet your sorry ass will be off E-bay for sending your "INTERFERENCE" LETTER to all who bid on "Sportsalley24's" auctions just because the guy lives two towns away from me. YES BROOK,IT IS AGAINST THE RULES TO SEND PEOPLE LETTERS WARNING THEM OF YOUR THEORIES ABOUT PEOPLE WHO BID WITH MORE THAN ONE HANDLE--- These guys should have the last laugh on your pathetic blind ass and they won't need to bother about other's bidding on your left over junk from the collections of people with knowledge on card collecting,a novelty you do not even do! YOU CALL OTHER'S ON HERE A LIAR!!! *************** LET'S SEE YOU PUBLICALLY DENY SENDING YOUR WARNING LETTER TO ALL WHO BID ON CARDSS YOU THINK WERE MINE! LET'S SEE IT IN PRINT. SOON,YOU WILL BE TOAST AND AGAIN REGAIN TOP SPOT AS THE LAUGH OF THIS BOARD. YOU USED AN INNOCENT SELLER TO TRY AND DO HARM TO ME AND HE TOO WILL FILE ON YOU FOR INTERFERENCE OF HIS AUCTIONS!!! NOW WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THOSE WELFARE CHECKS TO TRY AND COME UP WITH ENOUGH COIN TO PAY FOR YOUR FRUIT LOOPS AND TRIMMED CARD DIET? AND BY THE WAY,YOU DID NOT POST CARDS "IN" EBAY BUT "ON" E-BAY *** *****.

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Posted By: <b>jay berhens</b><p>Brooks, you have not ansered the question beyond you think it's suspicious. How so? No one else but you seems to think so.<BR><BR>As for you thinking you can't change my mind about you, your loss. I used think MW was a total arse, but he's done things to change my mind. <BR>it's up toy ou to chamge your image. If you don't want to, that's your choice. But bad word of mouth ina small community like this is not a good thing.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>NO PROBLEM GARBAGE MOUTH HEAR IS A COPY OF WHAT I SENT,THAT IN NO WAY GIVES THEORY OR IMPEDES AN AUCTION BUT RATHER STATES THE FACTS WHICH SEEM TO UPSET YOU GREATLY.<BR><BR>"JUST A FRIENDLY FYI REGARDING THE SGC GRADED CARDS YOU ARE,AND I WAS, BIDDING ON FROM "SPORTSALLEY24". THE "SPLENDID-SPLINTER*" AND "NO-CRYING-IN-BASEBALL" ARE ONE IN THE SAME PERSON AND BIDDING AGAINST THEMSELVES .......OH YEAH HE IS FROM SAN FRANCISCO TOO.......JUST THOUGHT YOU MAY LIKE TO KNOW .........REGARDS BROOKS"<BR><BR>IS THAT HONEST ENOUGH FOR YOU FOUL-MOUTH

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Posted By: <b>Jerry</b><p>Well, I guess no one wants to explain to me what is the crux of the issue here about any problem with the bidding, BUT THANKS FOR CAPITALIZING YOUR POSTS SO THAT I COULD READ THEM BETTER!

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Posted By: <b>BcDaniels</b><p>who cannot seem to get it through his "airfull" brain that I do not have pony tail you prejudice redneck clog. This letter of yours is an admission of guilt as IT IS NOT AGAINST ANY RULES TO BID ON ANY ITEM WITH MULTIPLE HANDLES HOWEVER,IT IS AGAINST E-BAY RULES TO WRITE SUCH A LETTER TO ALL AND EVERY UNBIDDER OF ONES AUCTIONS AS YOU DID! Auctions someone else ran and you impeded. You will be bounced then no LONGER being a member of e-bay any longer,SUED by ME! : ) And we will have some fun at a great cost to you and your welfare savings, what little you have being absorbed by legal representation (of an inferrior nature)! : ) Being the extreme jerk you are is fine,interfering with my account without factual cause and my auctuions being canceled,is not!We will see what becomes of this in the end.You'll find out what a little knowledge of law will do to you buddy boy.You want to play,we will see if you have the power to go the distance which of course Schnook,you do not! And no stupid,you can not request a public defender for a Civil action. : ) have fun "trying" to outbid me today as you are on everything you really cannot afford Brook,your days doing so are numbered. When your number comes up***,I can't wait for the lid to come down!

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Posted By: <b>TBob</b><p>what is the point of contention here. If Daniels is bidding in his own auctions, that is taboo. If he uses one of his user ids to bid in one of his auctions in which another of his user ids is listed as seller, that is prohibited action. If there is an explicit agreement to bid in someone else's auction, simply to be a shill bidder, that is forbidden. But if I understand correctly, he bid in someone else's auction with different user ids. Unless it can be proven that the buyer and seller cooperated to affect the bidding, and I see no proof which has mentioned here of that, only multiple use of user ids, as I read the ebay regs, there is no violation. Unless I am missing something here, I don't see where Brian has done anything wrong. Knowing how Brian likes to bookmark auctions by placing a minimal bid so he can watch the action, I think it is entirely possible that he did this with one user id to watch it with his "nocryinginbaseball" my ebay page and then decided to place another minimal bid so he could watch the action on his "splendidsplinter" my ebay page. It's also highly possible he bid on a card with one user id, then was outbid and used his other user id to raise the bid. All of these actions would be completely legitimate. <BR>Maybe I am missing something here and I know Brian can be a "tad" abrasive in his posts and emails at times, but I don't see that he did anything wrong here.

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>LIKE I SAID BEFORE BRIAN YOU'RE ALL BLOW AND NO GO......WHAT WILL THIS MAKE YOU? ABOUT 0 FOR EVER IN THE ODLE THREAT DEPARTMENT

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>1. Most board members seem to feel that Brian Daniels did nothing wrong, and that Brooks was simply acting out a personal vendetta on him, and the fact that his ebay accounts have been re-instated bear this out. The fact that some board members supported Brooks' attack, hopefully is simply because he is old and usually likeable, and/or because they don't like Brian, and does not reflect their support of his deceptive advertising.<BR><BR>2. Most board members also seemed to understand the point I was making about Brooks selling trimmed cards without mentioning it in his description - you missed it, but I'm not surprised. I showed current examples of auctions I am running that describe a card as "trimmed", and another as "hand-cut", so obviously I feel like I am able to use both of these terms. My examples were clear enough that you, being intelligent, certainly could understand.<BR><BR>3. Yes, Pete, your responses to many of my posts in the past where I was really looking forward to a thought-out response (from You, as opposed to someone less knowledgeable), have stunned me in that they are often sarcastic and attacking, rather than informative. I thought I had misunderstood your intentions, but after seeing what you posted in this thread, I'm sure I was right to begin with. You get upset and protective any time someone else offers insight into an area that you think is your "territory". In other words, if you didn't think of it, then it must be wrong. This is a personal problem for you and I would appreciate it if you would play it out in some other forum, perhaps with members of your new target audience - you could become an expert in air-brushing techniques, or discuss other definitions of "trim": <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14433&item=2174598454" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14433&item=2174598454</a><BR>

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>I really wish you would read the previous posts before you reply to things on this board. Go back, please, and do that - then come back and tell me I am "not honest".<BR><BR>Meanwhile, you have a check for $55 coming - I have no intention of doing business with anyone who considers me to be dishonest.

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Posted By: <b>Brian C Daniels</b><p>I'd refer to you as commonly drunk but I suspect your bidding history would validate you could not afford to buy the alcohol.This would be giving you much too much credit. You best go bid on things you can not afford again before this weeks e-bay news catches up to you. Sportsalley24 has also informed me he is reporting "the" letter you sent to everyone as blatant auction interference.The true issue at present aside from your trimmed up junk you sell.Three people on this board,including myself have had you as the only person to ever return cards.To noe guy,it was because you could not afford to keep it! What an asset to card collecting-not!

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Posted By: <b>BcD</b><p>Brooks & Dumb, born in 1939, The Chinese year of the Jackass cannot phathom the idea of having more than one computer,handle or IP and/or place to bid from because he is stupid,short sighted and only in the cards to try and scam money.He does not even collect cards.At least when I fight with pete I can fully respect the fact that he too loves cards and has knowledge concerning cards. Brooks has neither a collection nor knowledge and gets psanked blue by many on this board for it.Instead of taking in the offered info he has to claw and jab at collector,history lovers like Scott for such insignificant things as if "hand cut" & "trimmed" might be considered the same thing or not.Piles of chaep shots will not change the reality of these threads. I did not violate any rule concerning bidding on a pile of SGC T-206's consistant with my bidding habits for alomost five years now,Brook being blind and having no idea what a trimmed card is ( as measuring the card is not the way to determine if a card is trimmed and is only thought so in prehistoric and crude methodology)and does not have the spine to admit he does not know when confronted with facts.So what does he do? Squirms to e-bay for punitive help,blames his bologna on others and whines on this board with zero contribution other than a monthly defense for selling cards tossed to him like scraps of fat from a steak to a junkyard dog all the while living in a fog and revision of history and lack of understanding in his dirty tumbleweed home waiting for the next fool to send him a check for his trimmed up crap he misrepresented and sold.Brook,have someone drive you around the corner to a library and read to you for a while on this hobby you choose not to collect in. and stop by the 7/11 for a bottle of stamina RX so you have something to do while they read to you.Brail will not help you detect trimmed cards either........but then again I am sure you do not know brail either.

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Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>I learned that answering your questions wasn't worth my time and I'll never make that mistake again. I'm sorry I EVER gave you the benefit of my experience - not my "insight" but my experience. We never discussed religion, we discussed the printing process - there are rights and wrongs. I sorry you were wrong on a few points and I wasn't some yes-man there to sooth your ego and justify the money you spent. I sorry you spent a sum of money while being fascinated with what should have been tossed in the garbage years ago but don't blame me because I better. I have a background in printing and I'll be damned if I apologize for it. Whenever you asked me anything I help you as best as I could and believe me I'm sorry I did. Read whatever you want into anything I've said - it's free country and you're allowed to be as wrong as you want to be. <BR><BR>I guess you didn't like my answers because they didn't support your erroneous theories so your taking your little ball and going home because the game isn't to your liking. It takes a real man to be able to listen and learn from someone else and I'm constantly reading what others in my field of practice do so I can learn from them as well as other collectors who are adding to my knowledge of this hobby and unlike you I AM GRATEFUL to all of them but I guess you don't need any help because you know it all don't you. Must be hard being so perfect.<BR><BR>Have a problem with Playboy? Playgirl more your style? Hey, that's fine, we'll have to agree to disagree on our "preferences." <BR><BR>Oh and "I WILL NOW RESPECTFULLY RETIRE FROM THIS ASSININE DISCUSSION," this is the last you'll hear from me on this thread and you can believe my word unlike yours, which is obviously worthless since that quote was by you a day ago but you have since continued this "discussion" quite a bit.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Most of what you wrote was just emotional diarrhea, which was predictable given that I expected to hit a nerve when I questioned your "expert-ness". <BR><BR>But these following two bits indicate to me that you are wrestling with an issue that no amount of Playboys is going to change (not that there's anything wrong with that).<BR><BR><BR>"It takes a real man..." <BR><BR>"...we'll have to agree to disagree on our "preferences." <BR>

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Posted By: <b>The guy with.....ah two handles!</b><p>and I will send you the interface with e-bay. if you want the objective history of events.<BR><BR>Cardknowledge@earthlink.net

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Posted By: <b>BROOKS</b><p>GEE BRIAN I AM SURE THAT SOMEONE AS FLUSH AS YOU ARE,LET ME SEE, THAT WAS 3 JEWELRY STORES AND A FITNESS CENTER YOU OWN RIGHT, SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO MAKE THE NATIONALS. I MEAN IF A GUY ON A MEAGER WELFARE CHECK CAN DO IT WHY NOT YOU RIGHT? ALSO LET ME REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID, THAT YOU ARE SUPERIOR IN INTELLIGENCE, HAVE 19" BICEPS AND LOVE THE MARTIAL ARTS RIGHT? SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM MEETING AN OLD POT-BELLIED BLIND MAN RIGHT? ON SECOND THOUGHT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE SCOTT HOLD YOUR HAND AS PREVARICATORS WORK BETTER IN PAIRS. BY THE WAY, HAVE I EVER TOLD YOU HOW ABSOLUTELY STUPID AND IMMATURE YOU ARE WHEN RILED?...........&lt;LOL LOL&gt;

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Posted By: <b>zardoz51</b><p>Yep, that rascal bid on lots using multiple ID's. He's actually done it on some of my lots. The funny thing is that he's actually bought and paid for these lots. I am trying to fathom as to what the problem is here, and as to why ebay ever gave this any credibility is beyond my comprehension. To attack someone for this is sheer lunacy and shows a lack of understanding of good business principles. Frankly, its a good practice for buyers in a competitive field to do to throw off the competition.<BR><BR>The fact is that MANY serious buyers have multiple ID's. I'll put a tracking bid on a lot under my regular ID, but I rarely buy under it. The access for others to see what I have paid for an item or what I am pursuing is not something that I wish to be known. If the item in question is an area that I am known for, why should I tip my hand? Why should I give them the opportunity to run the price up on me?<BR><BR>I have done business with Brian Daniels both buying and selling. All of our transactions have been professional, cards accurately graded, payments have been fast, and shipments have never been delayed for any reason. He is more that welcome to bid on any of my lots under as many ID's as he wishes to use. <BR><BR>I have enjoyed reading this thread. It has been quite enlightening as to the ethical standards of certain parties. <BR><BR>Hopefully the person who made the complaint to ebay has had a lesson in intelligent business practices and has enough character to apologize for this act of foolishness. Maybe Daniels might even accept. If it was me, I wouldn't, but then again I'm not the forgiving type, especially when I am on the receiving end of an unwarranted, vindictive attack.

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Posted By: <b>Brian C Daniels</b><p>The dildo with sharks eyes( that which you look into and see nothing but the back of the head of ) does not even understand the difference between "The National" and "Nationals" plaural.That alone might give you some sense as to the mindless, senile comprehension of Brook,who sells trimmed left overs from dealers and personally collects nothing but bookmarks of collectors like myself.You would find chunks of jerks like he in your stool.

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>I have to agree with Zardoz on this one. I really don't see why eBay would ban some of BcD's user names while allowing certain KNOWN dubious sellers to continue to peddle their magic elixirs and snake oil.