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03-20-2003, 07:51 PM

Posted By: PaulI don't usually brag about my ebay wins, but this looks like it was a hell of a deal. <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31721&item=2717644569&rd=1" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31721&item=2717644569&rd=1</a> I know it's got a crease, but it's still pretty nice. It doesn't make up for my miserable day a couple of days ago, but it helps.

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03-20-2003, 07:55 PM

Posted By: PaulActually, I have a question for the group about this card. I usually break my graded cards out of their holders. But this is a GAI "1st Graded" card. Do any of you see any special reason why I should keep a "1st Graded" card in its holder? Thanks.

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03-20-2003, 08:42 PM

Posted By: jay behrensI can't think of a reason to keep in slabbed if you usually break it out. The 1st graded thing a nice gimick, but that's all it is. I doubt seriusly there will ever be a time when someone will pay a premium for a '1st graded' graded card, especially if it doesn't grade at least NM+ Jay

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03-20-2003, 09:04 PM

Posted By: Lee BehrensThose cards usually go for over $100. Nice pick up.

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03-20-2003, 10:32 PM

Posted By: brian parkerYou got a good deal. However, prices on middle to lower grade common 1930 era issues, such as the 1933 Goudey and the Diamond Star issues, have actually come down over the past few years. This is just the opposite to what has happened to the early 20th century and 19th century cards that the majority of the contributers on the board are interested in. I believe ebay has been the major factor here, basically highlighting the fact that cards from these issues are more plentiful, thus resulting in the lower prices. When I was more actively collecting Thirties cards about 8-10 years ago, and being a lower grade collector, I quite often paid double of what I see the same condition card going for on ebay. While the relative lack of caramel cards available on ebay, for example, has increased their desirability, as well as their prices. If I were a new collector interested in starting a lower grade vintage collection, I would dive into those Goudeys and Diamond Stars--not only will you get great deals, but the cards are really beautiful pieces of art, even with rounded corners and a crease or two (I would, however, always look for good color and registration--that way you get a closer aproximation to the beauty of a higher grade card. Just my preference). Brian

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03-20-2003, 11:10 PM

Posted By: MWBrian, I generally agree with you but I would add that key players from both sets enjoy the same or greater popularity than they did five years ago. Among those that would qualify from the 1933 Goudey series are Hack Wilson, #234 Carl Hubbell, #207 Mel Ott, Moe Berg, Tris Speaker, Rogers Hornsby, Hank Greenberg, and lower grade Ruths and Gehrigs. Some of the tougher early series 1933 Goudeys and high numbered 1935 and '36 Diamond Stars have also increased in value in both lower and higher grades.

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03-20-2003, 11:52 PM

Posted By: brian parkerMike, the point you make that certain cards have held up well is indeed valid. I was thinking of the more run of the mill players and stars. And in the 33 Goudey set, this accounts for over 200 cards before you have to ante up real money. Just about any card with Ruth or Gehrig has done extremely well over the years in the lower grades, as well as some of the other cards that you mentioned like the Rogers Hornsby and Hack Wilson (why in the heck is he so popular--is it because of his short stocky legs? He certainly doesn't look like an athlete. The guy looks more like he should be operating a jackhammer, or perhaps fixing the sink and showing some crack because no belt in the world will keep his pants up). I think that the popularity of these particular cards (and a few other) with the non-set collecting crowd has maintained or increased their price levels--just another example of supply and demand in action. So thanks for the added clarity that I failed to provide in my previous post. Brian

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03-21-2003, 01:29 AM

Posted By: MWGreenberg ('34).

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03-21-2003, 05:35 AM

Posted By: leonI only do types but that looks like a nice card. I think the "1st graded" thing is a gimmick too. I have the 1st graded T207 Red Cross Weaver.....big deal...I will say that I do like the holders that the gay guys use though.....they are slim, nice looking, and are id'd on the end, so if you were to stack them you could still read 'em......otherwise, if you are a cracker- then crack away.... ps...I cracked my first cards a few weeks ago....a CTA holder, a cracked SGC holder, and one other....all were really very easy...breast regards

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03-21-2003, 01:43 PM

Posted By: PaulThanks for all of your comments. I just couldn't resist pointing out two of Leon's interesting statements -- the one about the holders that the "gay guys" use, and his offer of his "breast regards." Leon, is there something on your mind? Paul

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03-21-2003, 04:46 PM

Posted By: leonNah...not really anything on my mind....I need to get some but the wife will have to help out in that dept...otherwise, just having a little fun.....I think GAI does pretty good and the "breast" regards....well...ya'll get it....(sorry Julie...no disrespect meant)......how about...warm regards? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>