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02-20-2003, 06:32 PM
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>My question is why would anyone pay anywhere close to that amount? I like to think that people that pay that kind of money at least are educated on grading. Is there just blind faith amongst the PSA collectors.<BR><BR>Is this card not trimmed? It certainly isn't a diamond cut. Is there any way a person could find out who submitted the card for grading? My guess is the dealer preferencal treatment was in full form here. <BR><BR>I know SGC has some flawed grades, but it seems like you can find at least one PSA card a week in the vintage section alone that is grossly over graded. I keep trying to find reasons to lean more towards PSA, but the only thing they have going for them is that they seem to sell for a higher price (right now) and nothing else.<BR><BR>
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02-20-2003, 06:35 PM
Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Care to clue us in on what card you talking about? A link possibly?<BR><BR>Jay- absolutely sure that the DNA test that says Lee is my brother is wrong
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02-20-2003, 06:42 PM
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I was so distrat that I couldn't complete the thread, oww the nightmares. both of the above situation and having Jay for a brother.
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02-20-2003, 06:45 PM
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Ok here's the link:<BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=2710477601&rd=1" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=2710477601&rd=1</a><BR><BR>Be nice guess, I know this was a dunderhead type of move
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02-20-2003, 06:54 PM
Posted By: <b>Jeff M</b><p>I seen the auction .What a joke.
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02-20-2003, 08:38 PM
Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>Of course it's trimmed. <BR><BR>Majority of PSA collectors won't care. It's in the holder and it seems that that is all that matters to them. Who cares about the card?
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02-21-2003, 07:15 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I also thought this looked trimmed. But to be devils advocate wouldn't a trim show more "white" at the top border and isn't this border just too slanted for a normal trim?....and it's a fairly straight slant too....just some thoughts....
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02-21-2003, 07:27 AM
Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>The bottom was trimmed, not the top. Most likely scenario is that the bottom border also slanted to the left and someone just "straightened it out". There probably wasn't enought to work with on the top.<BR><BR>I had an interesting email discussion about "reasons for trimming" the other day. As collectors, most of us assume that all trimming is done to increase value, usually for slabbing. My bro recently auctioned a t206 Flick that was heavily trimmed all the way around - my opinion is that the card probably had heavy corner rounding and fuzziness, so the owner simply "cut" that stuff off to make the card look straighter and give it better eye appeal. Certainly there could not have been any thoughts to have the card graded - maybe the trimming was done long ago before grading even existed and the owner didn't give a rat's *ss about "value" of the card.
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02-21-2003, 08:04 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I guess it's you and I keeping the board going this morning? It is my understanding from some hobby veterans that a lot trimming was done, in the early days, so the cards would fit in certain holders.....just thought I would throw that in....later
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02-21-2003, 08:25 AM
Posted By: <b>James Verrill</b><p><BR>Man, the fact that this card is holdered is BLASPHEMY. And, EVEN if the "oversight by the grader" of the OBVIOUS trim job is overlooked (and written off to "inexperience" - although a HORRIBLE term to EVER have to use to describe, or associate with, a "professional" grader) - the fact that this was determined to be a 5 is DISGRACEFUL. I am physically disgusted by this, Lee. Thanks for posting this. It's a real eye opener.<BR><BR>
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02-21-2003, 08:26 AM
Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>If I remember correctly, Don McPherson said he had trimmed many of his cards just for that reason, so they would fit in the pages he was using. I have also heard tell that cards were also trimmed that all the cards in a collection were of the same size.<BR><BR>Jay
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02-21-2003, 11:20 AM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>This one is the best since the trimmed OJ in Lipset's auction (BTW, what did that one sell for?). PSA just plain sucks nowadays. No way would I trust them with anything I really cared about after seeing all the garbage they grade.
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02-21-2003, 11:22 AM
Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p><<This one is the best since the trimmed OJ in Lipset's auction (BTW, what did that one sell for?). PSA just plain sucks nowadays. No way would I trust them with anything I really cared about after seeing all the garbage they grade.>><BR><BR>That PSA purchased that trimmed OJ back and destroyed the card and holder.<BR>
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02-21-2003, 11:31 AM
Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>Why would they destroy the card?
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02-21-2003, 12:22 PM
Posted By: <b>jeff s</b><p>I want the remaining shreds! They'll fit into my collection perfectly <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.
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02-21-2003, 12:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>I amend my last statement. My understanding was that they re-purchased the card to remove it from the PSA holder. I have, nor do I purport to have, any knowledge as to what they may or may not have done with the card after the re-purchase.
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02-21-2003, 08:17 PM
Posted By: <b>TBob</b><p>about a year ago and it looks like the new seller doubled his money from what I recall.
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02-22-2003, 09:47 AM
Posted By: <b>B C Daniels</b><p>How do you guys tell it's trmmed just by looking at a SCAN ????<BR><BR><BR><BR>Just kidding...............<BR><BR>: )