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02-21-2003, 09:58 AM

Posted By: jay behrensor does the bottom edge of the 55 Bowman look rough. And if so, how the hell did it get a 10? Even the Scmidt card looks a touch o/x left to right. <a href="http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/55bowman" target=_new>http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/55bowman</a>/ Jay

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02-21-2003, 10:08 AM

Posted By: MWJay, The 1955 Bowman also appears to have a slight touch on the lower right corner. Perhaps Marc Schoenen purchased one or both of the cards from Grade & Trade? I remember reading on the Collectors Universe forum how Marc was unsatisfied with some of the 1955 Bowmans he purchased from them.

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02-21-2003, 11:14 AM

Posted By: Marc Schoenen1) PSA does not purport to downgrade for rough cuts. The Allie Reynolds card is a strong MINT specimen. It is not GEM MINT, in my humble opinion. As to its provenance, let me briefly say this. It is a David Hall PSA 10. From the 1955 Bowman set -- there have only been 13 unique cards ever to garner a PSA 10 GEM MINT rating -- 12 of them were David Hall cards. Eleven of them (I am not sure if the Mantle 10 I've seen is his) are either MINT or GEM MINT examples. Most are strong MINT -- this is one example. For a variety of reasons -- I have probably owned/reviewed/handled a vast minority of the Near Mint or better 1955 Bowman graded cards, whether PSA, SGC, or GAI. I will say that to find a card with super-sharp corners, decent centering and no border chips is exceptionally rare. Like a diamond in the rough. The Reynolds is a MINT example. I do not believe that is a tough on the lower-right hand corner. I apologize for the poor scan, but do not know if I can make it to my bank to retrieve and improve the scan. 2) The Schmidt card is slightly off-center from left to right. However, very very slight. Per the standards for PSA GEM MINT 10 "The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse." The centering is better than 55/45 in my opinion. I have not measured it in a while, so I am just eyeballing a scan. Top to bottom seems better than 55/45, too. 3) MW -- I did purchase three 1955 Bowman PSA 8 cards from Grade and Trade: Narleski, Giel and Majeski. The grades were not egregious enough to warrant a review to PSA. One was a weaker 8, definitely, with two middle of the road. I do have one different card in for review at PSA now, as I felt it was overgraded based upon my experience and expertise.

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02-21-2003, 01:28 PM

Posted By: jay behrensThere is no denying that the Bowman is a sweet card. I just have a problem with PSA, or any other company giving a perfect score to a card with obvious flaws, even if that is the way most of the cards from that issue came that way. I especially don't like the leeway given for centering on a 10. A 10 means perfection and you can't have a perfect card that is o/c, even a little. Not a gripe against you, just PSA. Jay

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02-21-2003, 02:20 PM

Posted By: Marc S.It is sort of the nature of the beast, I guess. Frankly, it is nearly impossible to achieve the standard you mention regarding centering. PSA, SGC, BGS and GAI all have centering allowances for a GEM MINT card -- differing slightly by company. However, SGC, BGS and GAI all do have a slightly higher grade -- the SGC 100 Pristine, the BGS 10 Pristine, the GAI 10 Perfect and the elusive SCD 11 Pristine. Those are all reserved for so-called "Perfect" cards. As it is -- pricing the GEM MINT examples is a crapshoot more times than not. By adding in that next tier up, it is anyone's guess. Thank God I still keep a significant amount of my collection raw and not in graded-card holders. Otherwise, sometimes I think I might need to be committed <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-21-2003, 02:25 PM

Posted By: runscottUs pre-war collectors don't have to worry about such grades!

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02-21-2003, 04:15 PM

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02-21-2003, 07:41 PM

Posted By: Marc S.1955 Bowman SGC 96s -- or even know who might have access to any, please let me know. I have only ever owned one of them -- though I have probably seen and owned many, many more SGC 92's from the set. I'm also desparately looking for advertising cards/panels from the set. MS