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12-02-2002, 08:03 PM

Posted By: leonI almost didn't want to bring it up because it is such an everyday occurence but this is really good...all these reprints at pretty loft levels? <a href="http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=feldman234&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25" target=_new>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=feldman234&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25</a>

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12-02-2002, 08:09 PM

Posted By: Ben...and you know that half of those cards will reappear some time in the future without any mention of the word "reprint". A pretty good buy if they are eventually going to be resold to some sucker for $500+

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12-02-2002, 08:49 PM

Posted By: runscott...and put them on your "kick me in the ass if I bid on this guy's auctions" list.

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12-02-2002, 08:56 PM

Posted By: T206MonstaWhy would anyone buy any of this sellers' lots without the intention of trying to decieve others in the future. It's a shame because they'll sell all of them to unsuspecting buyers. Especially when they're in those good looking PRO holders.

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12-03-2002, 06:28 AM

Posted By: leonlhere are the completed auctions......makes me sick........not sure how many legit buyers there were but there were numerous shills from the same ebay names...... <a href="http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=feldman234&include=0&since=2&sort=3&rows=25" target=_new>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=feldman234&include=0&since=2&sort=3&rows=25</a>

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12-03-2002, 11:36 AM

Posted By: TBobnm

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12-03-2002, 01:38 PM

Posted By: runscott----- Original Message ----- From: "garth feldman" <gfeldma1@san.rr.com> To: <runscott@bellsouth.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1837239919 > yes i have and i have no more cards to sell i had 3 cobbs and a ray demmitt > and they are gone check my feedback i have a very good rep here on ebay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <runscott@bellsouth.net> > To: <gfeldma1@san.rr.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:15 AM > Subject: Question for seller -- Item #1837239919 > > > > So far you are doing quite well selling these "cause it just might be an > old reprint". Have you ever tried selling REAL cards? It's very easy, can > be profitable, and it's a lot of fun. > > > > Scott

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12-03-2002, 03:20 PM

Posted By: TBobyes i have and i have no more cards to sell i had 3 cobbs and a ray demmitt > and they are gone> Antone notice all the demmitts on ebay lately...

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12-03-2002, 05:23 PM

Posted By: dan mckeeI turned this puke in (feldman) and received the usual generic blow off message of not enough evidence!

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12-03-2002, 05:47 PM

Posted By: Bruce MorelandWhich auctions were supposedly shilled by who? There were several low FB but they looked legit enough. eBay shouldn't allow people to sell counterfeits. I bought a Jordan counterfeit so I could write about it for my web page, and I was flooded with spam offering to sell me more, in quantity. Does anyone have evidence that PRO grades counterfeits? Does anyone HAVE a counterfeit card in a PRO holder? I'll offer a bounty of $20 for one. bruce

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12-03-2002, 07:41 PM

Posted By: leonSorry folks I jumped to a probable false conclusion. Since all of the people were the same ones bidding in all of the auctions from this seller I thought it was obvious. After going back and looking at each auction they ALL SAY REPLICA. The drtooth guy with 1 feedback actually bought a $2500 '52 Mantle and paid for it and got his 1 positive feedback. My new conclusion is that these folks are stupid.....best regards

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12-03-2002, 08:03 PM

Posted By: runscottWhen he originally started selling these home-made cards, he put a disclaimer in the descriptions, indicating that the buyer had better beware: "cause it just might be an old reprint". So now he has become a middle-man and lets his 1st-level buyers do the scamming - so what, the result is the same.

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12-04-2002, 12:28 PM

Posted By: kyle<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1975086967" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1975086967</a> I know the seller stated they were replicas, but if say the Gretzky's (most likely) show up later, how would one know they are reprints/fakes? The T206's are fairly obvious to a prewar collector, but how can one tell on something more modern involving a big name athlete? Wouldnt O-pee-chee have to label these reprints or were these just done in someones garage or small printing company??

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12-04-2002, 01:01 PM

Posted By: Albie O'HanianKyle-The easiest and most obvious thing to look for on a real OPC Gretzky rookie is a yellow dot on his left shoulder. I have yet to see a reprint with this dot. <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1974928463" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1974928463</a>

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12-04-2002, 01:19 PM

Posted By: DavidFor this and similar desirable singles, you should obtain some commons from the issue for direct comparison. You should obtain a blacklight to further the comparison (scientific yet easy way to compare cardstocks). It's not a crazy idea for a serious collector to keep a library of singles from various sets to be used for comparison. Realize that, under direct comparison, a counterfeit will nearly always have one and usually more than one obvious difference from the original (gloss, thickness, fluorescence, other).

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12-04-2002, 02:29 PM

Posted By: kyleThanks for that info Albie and David! Albie the yellow dot on Gretzkys shoulder is a great way to identify the card immediatly, even if the image is a scan and not right in front of you for close inspection. Albie how did you pick up on the yellow dot?