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11-12-2002, 02:59 PM

Posted By: Bob LemkeI had a lot of fun with the 2003 SCBC cover's dog theme and have had lots of good response. I'd like to invite members of this group to suggest a cover theme for next year's book. Our format requires three cards on front . . . one of a currently hot player, one of a really vintage (pre-WWI or so) player and one from the 1950s or 1960s. We need another card on the spine and from three to five on the back. Ideally all would follow a single theme. The person or persons who come up with a "winning" theme get the dubious honor of having their cards pictured on the book, a photo credit, etc. Let's have some fun with this and see what develops!

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11-12-2002, 03:30 PM

Posted By: David<img src="http://www.cycleback.com/hank.JPG">

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11-12-2002, 07:33 PM

Posted By: Jay MillerDavid--Great idea! Cards with rats.

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11-12-2002, 07:38 PM

Posted By: Tom Boblitttough crowd...........!

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11-12-2002, 08:01 PM

Posted By: DavidNot too far off, Jay. In the picture, Henry's wearing a ferret collar. When I took him to the pet store, even the cat collars were too big Owners of Golden Retreviers and Great Danes can laugh at Henry all they want, but I'd rather walk barefoot through my back yard then theirs.

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11-12-2002, 09:07 PM

Posted By: Jay MillerI have two English Bulldogs and I can relate to the back yard/front yard/side yard/occasionally hallway arguement.

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11-12-2002, 10:27 PM

Posted By: Andy BaranBob, Since Tim Salmon is so popular since the World Series, why not go with a fish theme: Some Modern Tim Salmon Card 1952 Topps Dizzy Trout 1887-89 Old Judge George Haddock I don't own any of these cards, but they shouldn't be that tough to find. Just a thought

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11-12-2002, 10:29 PM

Posted By: jeff sand i have one, should this be the chosen theme. though i'm sure somebody else has a better copy than mine.

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11-12-2002, 10:34 PM

Posted By: jeff sCATFISH Hunter Lip PIKE Kevin BASS i vaguely recall some nolan ryan card with him fishing...isn't there a nolan ryan card of him engaging in most outdoor leisure activities? damn, there are a lot of nolan ryan cards...

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11-12-2002, 10:37 PM

Posted By: jeff sof course there are the Florida Marlins and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays and! Chicago Whales.

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11-12-2002, 10:42 PM

Posted By: jeff slet's see, Sean GREEN is hot right now, you could have a Joe BLACK card (49 Bowman, perhaps), and an Old Judge card of a Chicago Maroon -- maybe even a St. Louis White! And more: lots and lots of "Browns," people named Gray and a team named the "Grays" ... and of course the red stockings, red legs, red sox, and reds, and all of the corresponding whites. any way to get a maroon card on the cover! (I've got one, but it's ugly. better look elsewhere)

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11-13-2002, 06:20 AM

Posted By: Andy BaranRed Faber / Ames Vida / Lu Blue Whitey Herzog / Ford Frank / Devon White Silver King Hank Greenberg Mike Greenwell There are way too many to name.

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11-13-2002, 06:41 AM

Posted By: runscottSyd Bream (although it's pronounced different). ...or Ralph Garr!

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11-13-2002, 07:23 AM

Posted By: Glen VBarry Bonds Buck Ewing/Weaver Milt Stock Bill/Dave/Ron Cash $10,000 Kelly 1962 Topps baseball buck

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11-13-2002, 08:12 AM

Posted By: Glen VLeft off Don Money

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11-13-2002, 09:34 AM

Posted By: TBobTen Million from the 1911 Obak set.

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11-13-2002, 09:41 AM

Posted By: Jay MillerMo--Mariana Rivera Larry-Larry Corcoran Curley-Oscar Gamble(card with b1g Afro)

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11-13-2002, 09:51 AM

Posted By: runscottCurley could be Barry Bonds

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11-13-2002, 09:56 AM

Posted By: ockdayJim Abbott and John Costello

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11-13-2002, 10:05 AM

Posted By: ockdayusing that now infamous Reds outfield from 1998 dmitri YOUNG mike FRANK AND chris STYNES

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11-13-2002, 11:03 AM

Posted By: john(z28jd)i think jay is right,larry corcoran should be on the cover,then you can use a carlton fisk rookie(close enough to 60's) and a barry bonds card from now,then i would probably buy 2 copies or if you actually used one of my larry corcoran cards(or all of them if you want) id probably buy all the copies. also just for Bill Cornell,you should put a t204 Tom Reilly on the back or side,because i know he likes that card

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11-13-2002, 11:33 AM

Posted By: Bill CornellJohn- Hoarding T204 Reilly cards will not go unpunished... by the way: <img src="http://www.t207.com/images/t207/hooper.jpg">

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11-13-2002, 12:27 PM

Posted By: DavidHow about the promotion of good eating habits, including Willie Mays (Maize) Tim Salmon Zach (Whole) Wheat

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11-13-2002, 01:01 PM

Posted By: jeff s1. some modern insert card with Ichiro & Sasaki that says "stars of japan" or something (like this: <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1582036366" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1582036366</a> , for instance) 2. old judge Germany Long (or card of germany schaefer) 3. topps/bowman dutch leonard others: -frenchy bordagaray -irish meusel -tolstoi "russian" mouthpiece cigarettes -ramly "turkish blend" -a minor league card of a Vancouver "Canadian" -T206 Phil Poland -I seem to recall there were negro leaguers named "panama," and maybe "cuba" too...of course there are some cuban cards. -and there is the score american flag card... -and a "Texas Tommy" card, because we all know TX is another country...

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11-13-2002, 01:02 PM

Posted By: jeff sErnie BANKS!!!

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11-13-2002, 01:07 PM

Posted By: jeff sCurt SCHILLING

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11-13-2002, 01:09 PM

Posted By: jeff sMark Mulder and Vin Scully (there's got to be a card of him, right?)

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11-13-2002, 01:13 PM

Posted By: jeff sTURKEY stearnes

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11-13-2002, 01:16 PM

Posted By: runscottan "all-carbo" outfield featuring Jim Rice, Zach Wheat and Fred Potato...would you believe Joe Oatmeal?

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11-13-2002, 01:56 PM

Posted By: BROOKSWHY NOT JUST ADD OLD "HOSS" RADBOURNE TO THE EXISTING COVER AND MAKE IT A ...............GROAN!!.......DOG AND PONY SHOW

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11-13-2002, 02:50 PM

Posted By: RobertMaybe Bud Abbott and Lou Costello. I think the 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese should be there. It is beautiful. Rob

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11-13-2002, 03:06 PM

Posted By: warshawlaw1952 Topps Clyde Klutz Obak card of Krapp (I forget his first name) Exhibit Salutations Joe Kuhel

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11-13-2002, 03:11 PM

Posted By: Dan Mathewson...vintage CARS and vintage CARDS: Whitey FORD Henry MERCEDES (and) Joe MERCEDES John LEMON (applies to many models) Robin VENTURA Chuck CARR Jimmie SEBRING J. BENTLEY Seymour "RABBIT" Maranville There are many others, but I have to WORK sometime. LOL. -dan

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11-13-2002, 03:22 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi All Everyone on this board has a great imagination, as well as too much time to think about these issues. I think they should put the 5 best looking cards of alltime on the cover, with the first being a 66 topps card of DON MOSSI, a true male super model. later brian

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11-13-2002, 05:51 PM

Posted By: Julie Vognarsensors. I've heard good AND bad about the dogs (as cute as they are). Maybe something more general, like "great left-handed pitchers," "right-handed pitchers" "sluggers" "shortstops"--stuff like that--you'd have great cards to choose from and a semi-theme. Or great Dodgers, Yankees (or old name), Athletics, Red Sox (or Stockings), Reds (by any other name as well), Cubs (ditto), White Sox (also by any other name)--unfortunately, if you're going to need a card from way back, the Twins faction around here is REALLY going to get upset (unless they don't mind being called Washington). Again, you'd really have your choice of cards. And you want the cards to knock your sox off! How about the previous year's World Series participants? Can't take a bad picture of Eckhart! Or Bonds... In other words, more boring ideas will yield better cards! Frankly I don't like ANY of the suggested themes, except the international one isn't bad--but are there really great cards of all those people? You have to consider the cards as well as the names. I'm really glad you did the 'dog" theme--that Old judge card is great. Giambi is nice, too. Gee, too bad Tejada doesn't have a dog, heh, heh. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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11-13-2002, 06:26 PM

Posted By: Scott CowanThe Obak player was Gene Krapp.

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11-13-2002, 06:57 PM

Posted By: DavidI'm assuming from Bob Lemke's silence that the first choice (Henry on cover) is the picked choice-- and that any subsiquent comments to the contrary from Bob are merely so that they rest of you don't feel bad about your 'honorable mentions.' .... And, Bob, just in case you start to waiver, Henry's had some feelers from Beckett.

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11-13-2002, 06:57 PM

Posted By: john(z28jd)how about a cover with a t206 george paige 53 topps satchell paige and an 83 topps mitchell page and you can have a slogan saying a book filled with many baseball pa(i)ges

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11-13-2002, 07:28 PM

Posted By: Andy BaranMaybe the theme should be "Cards that Julie Likes" I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were not trying to be offensive, but in my opinion, your post comes off that way. Bob basically asked us to brainstorm some ideas, be creative, and follow a given format. Many of us did that. I don't remember him asking for anyone's opinion whether or not they like ANY of the ideas. It would impossible to pick cards that knock your sox off, like you suggest. Everyone one has different tastes, and someone may dislike a particular card that happens to blow you away. And who really buys the book based on the cards on the cover anyway?

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11-13-2002, 08:45 PM

Posted By: B HodesI haven't thought it through entirely and come with all the cards yet but how about one featuring players with beards, mustaches and the like. Many old judges and A & G's subjects sport those wonderful handlebar mustaches (maybe on Ward, Keefe or Old Hoss)and Harry Wrights beard is certainly memorable on his 1880 photo cards. Contemporary beards could include: McGwire's Cardinal cards and Giambi's A's cards (before he sold it along with his soul to ...). I'm not sure about our options for the 50's-60's cards though... (haven't looked at them lately..) In the 70's you've got the A's led by the imimicable Rollie Fingers.

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11-13-2002, 09:04 PM

Posted By: John(z28jd)im with Andy on this,i didnt read Julies post but andy is still right......also,my 2nd post is gonna be the winning one,cmon think about it paige,page,pages! its a great idea!

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11-13-2002, 09:47 PM

Posted By: AnonymousThere are enough cards with reversed images from all eras.

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11-13-2002, 09:50 PM

Posted By: MartySorry, I forgot to sign my post.

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11-13-2002, 10:02 PM

Posted By: DavidHow about error cards, going from the 1987 Barry Bonds/Johnny Ray Opening Day to the 1974 Topps 'Washinton Senators' to the T206 Magie.

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11-14-2002, 10:20 AM

Posted By: warshawlawFamous error cards: 1969 Angels batboy card, F***face Ripken, 1960 Leaf Grant/Lawrence, Ty Cob's caramel card, 1981 Fleer Craig Nettles, 1958 Pancho Herrer Goofy cards: 1952 Zernial (how did they get those balls up there?), 1977 Kurt Bevaqua bubble blowing contest card (shameless), E121 Ruth with the bird (Bunuel meets Spalding??), 1936 Fine Pen of Waners riding the shoulders of Big Jim Weaver Chase Cards That Barely Exist: 1933 Lajoie, 1932 US Caramel Lindstrom, George Miller Andrews, Ruth signature card

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11-14-2002, 10:33 AM

Posted By: Jay MillerI like the moustache/beard idea. The best moustache I've ever seen on a vintage card is O'Rourke's on his Kalamazoo Bats card. I can provide a scan if Bob needs it. A Rollie Finger's card with his moustache would also be great.

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11-14-2002, 10:39 AM

Posted By: Anthony'71 Dodgers Ticketron. Like Adam's idea of the error cards- isn't that the purpose of the book, to be able to tell the rare from the common (like Baker/Bakep, Herrer/Herrera, Magee/Magie, etc)

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11-14-2002, 10:54 AM

Posted By: runscottT3 Baker, Cy Young caramel (actually Irv Young) and my favorite (football): the Jim Taylor "rookie" card that features a different Jim Taylor.

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11-14-2002, 03:23 PM

Posted By: Julie VognarHe didn't say they had to be rhyming words, or each from a different country, or fish, or ANYTHING ELSE! I was trying to say that the more specific the theme, the poorer card choice you have, because you're working so hard to get cards that fit the THEME> And you're dead wrong about people not being able to agree on great cards. Look at the lists we've put up from time to time. Many of the same cards appear on most. And even if your Number 1 choice was only my number 3 or 4 choice, so what? WHY DOES EVERYONE ALWAYS THINK I'M THE BAD GUY? I DIDN'T see getting good cards for any of those themes, so I said so. I diodn't put forth one single CARD, so how can you say it has to be, for me "cards that Julie Likes." WHY ARE YOU ALL ALWAYS JUMPING DOWN MY THROAT WHEN MY IDEAS DON'T CORRESPOND TO YOURS? Here's a general--but more specific--theme: World Series teams players from last year, 40 years ago, and over 100 years ago (maybe you'd have to stick to the 20th century to TECHNICALLY have a world series), but several years in the 1800s, two teams went at it pretty good at the end of the season, from the N.L. and the AA. I just don't understand why you guys always think I'm trying to be nasty! O.K. Pick one of your WONDERFUL ideas, and come up with 5 or 6 WONDERFUL cards! Bet you can't! Sorry--maybe I'm all wet. I'd love to see a good theme with good cards. It just seemed to me that we were straining too hard over the theme. More power to you if you can do it!

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11-14-2002, 03:47 PM

Posted By: Julie Vognarof course for modern players--but there's Eckersly! I was thinking of Clenmens when he doesn't shave, and a lot of other guys too--come to think of it, little beards are really in with the As--don't the Yankees have a rule about no facial hair (how does Clemens get away with it?) Yeah, hair's O.K. with me. But, see, that's a lot more general than fish, or specific countries, or different ways of spelling Paige...which is all I was saying. More general: better cards. HAIR RULES!

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11-14-2002, 03:49 PM

Posted By: Julie Vognar...

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11-14-2002, 03:58 PM

Posted By: Bendue to baseball's recent obsession with the long-ball, I suggest a 'home run king' theme for the next catalogue. N172 Delahanty-'33 Goudey Ruth-'86 Topps Traded Bonds Ruth and Bonds are the biggest names from today and from years gone by. Also, their cards have some great eye appeal, sure to catch the eye of even the most casual of collectors. As for Pre-war sluggers, Delehanty may have been the best of them (although he tallied only 100 HR for his career, that was a big number back then) Ben

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11-14-2002, 10:10 PM

Posted By: Charlie (T206NNOF)Just want to ad one...How about players that a lot of fans think should be in the Hall Of Fame that are not such as Joe Jackson, Roger Maris, and Pete Rose.

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11-15-2002, 05:44 AM

Posted By: runscottAn Ed Reulbach card would look great on the cover! I've got about ten different ones to choose from.

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11-15-2002, 06:43 AM

Posted By: leonSince it's a baseball "card" price card how about the 6 best cards in the hobby, excluding any cards that have been on covers already?.........as taken by some kind of poll.....2 from the 19th century ( I know where you might be able to get a scan for a Peck and Snyder ) 2 from the 20th century, and 2 from the 21st century......just a thought.....and BTW, Julie- You did not in any way offend me and I thought your responses (all of them) were ok.....different thoughts are what makes the world go around....and to my good friend Andy.....give her a break, man....give peace a chance <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> regards all...

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11-15-2002, 07:45 AM

Posted By: leonIt's a baseball card price "guide" not card...duh....and the more I think about it the more I like my idea <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> although there are many other good ones too..... good luck Bob....regards

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11-15-2002, 08:04 AM

Posted By: Jaime LeidermanI'd go with Charlie and Scott's idea... Don't know about Maris...

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11-15-2002, 08:13 AM

Posted By: Andy BaranThere was a reason why I responded to Julie's post as I did. It was not because I disagreed with her idea. It was because of the way the post was written. We have to remember that when dealing with electronic media (e-mail or message boards), it is very easy to misinterpret what someone meant to say. There were many ideas posted, some which I may have liked, others I may not have liked. Whether I liked or disliked the ideas really has no relevance. I didn't necessarily like or dislike Julie's idea. What bothered me was that when I read her post, it sounded to me like she was saying that her idea was good, and that all other ideas were boring, and basically sucked. Leon obviously did not interpret it the same way. I took offense to her post since I felt that Bob was just looking for ideas, not judgements. Everyone else contributed their ideas without knocking the others. I'm sure that I am as guilty as anyone else for writting a post that could be offensive to someone. I guess my point is that we ALL (myself included) should think about how our message may be interpreted before posting.

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11-15-2002, 08:30 AM

Posted By: RBCraikHow about Titman (Old Mill), Dick Wood and Pete LaCock? Hey, sex sells!

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11-15-2002, 09:39 AM

Posted By: runscottbut might be effective anyway because of it's simplicity...AND that she didn't like the others <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Personally, I think Leon's idea SUCKS, but I was stunned to find out that Julie didn't like my "all carbo" outfield, or a "Stooges" theme (although no normal woman understands why men like the Stooges). Damned, just realized I could have used Bernie Carbo to go alongside Wheat and Rice (Jim, with Sam as back-up) in my "all-carbo" outfield. Doh!! BTW, we need the ability to modify fonts in this forum - "Stooges" should always have a larger, more special font. Cy would agree with me, I'm sure.

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11-15-2002, 10:02 AM

Posted By: James Walker, Jr.Idea 1: With it being the 13th Anuall, how about players with 13 letters in their last name? DeMontreville, Eugene Hollingsworth, Al Knickerbocker, Bill (Wm.) Dressendorfer, Kirk Hollandsworth, Todd Raffensberger, Ken Schreckengost, Ossie Spooneybarger, Tim VanLandingham, Bill (William) Idea 2: How about a holiday theme? Could be others. Christmas, Maurice Christmas, Steve (Stephen R.) Easter, Dick Easter, Luke (Luscious Luke) Valentine, Anthony Valentine, Bill Valentine, Bobby Valentine, Corky (Harold) Valentine, Ellis Valentine, Fred Valentine, Joe Idea 3: How about occupations? (Showing last name only for this one) Archer Baker Barber Brewer Butcher Butler Camper Carpenter Farmer Fisher Gardner Hacker Judge Marshall Miner Singer Speaker Usher Washer

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11-15-2002, 10:48 AM

Posted By: Dan Mathewson...was humorous in nature, and most of the above posts are humorous in the themes they suggest, too. As well as one of my own, above. What I would actually enjoy is a cover which is dedicated to the "First Five". Almost everyone on this baord enojys some aspect of collecting one (or more) of the First Five players. I am no exception to that. There are new cards and old cards alike that could decorate the cover nicely...we'd not run short of nice cards to choose from, no doubt there. Just an idea...

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11-15-2002, 10:54 AM

Posted By: Jay MillerHow about body parts Rollie Fingers Elroy Face Jack Glasscock (just kidding)

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11-15-2002, 11:33 AM

Posted By: Bob LemkeThanks much for all the thoughts, suggestions, lists, etc. I guess to be more specific about the book's cover, it should be noted that the cover subjects have to be chosen with an eye towards mass appeal (not a bad movie, either). That is, most of you and most of SCD's hard-core readers would buy the book regardless of what's on the cover, but our challenge is to get the casual collector or baseball fans, or Grandma to pick up the book at Barnes & Noble or from a pix on Amazon. That means there should be a top-name current star, a Fifties-Sixties boomer-gen icon and one of the all-time greats from the pre-war era. The bearded/mustachioed guys idea has merit except, as someone pointed out, facial hair was virtually absent from baseball between 1910-1970s; still might be worth a stretch. One theme which was offered by e-mail is catchers in full regalia. That would allow use of a modern Piazza card, some Hall of Fame catcher from Old Judge and lots of fascinating cards in between. The error card idea almost made the cut a couple of years back, but didn't (then) offer a really hot current star such as we now have with the 1987D Opening Day Bonds. It's time may have come. Keep the ideas coming and thanks, again.

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11-15-2002, 03:34 PM

Posted By: Charlie(T206nnof)The most expensive cards sold at auction (1) Honus Wagner 1909 (2) Mickey Mantle 1952 (3) Barry Bonds 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany Maybe with a caption on the cover saying: "Do you have any of these cards" Pictures showing all 3 on the cover and maybe a story inside about the cards and the players...The story behind the Wagner card etc. Should get people interested that never even cared about baseball....just to see if they have any cards around in attics, basements etc. Middle aged sons calling up their parents to find out where their cards are...who knows ...may create a frenzy...and sell a lot of books. Just a thought...sounds good to me anyway. Hope you find a good one Bob Take care.

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11-15-2002, 04:23 PM

Posted By: Julie VognarStop looking for me to be saying nasty things about you! Lemke's idea about the catchers is probably the best yet. I'm a little fuzzy on early catchers--Ah yes, Ewing--how could I forget! REALLY a great idea, and that one Diamond Star of Cochrine (sp)in his catcher's regalia--famous card. And Pudge Rodrigez. And T^ip Top made a handsome one of Yogi in '47--you wouldn't recognize him! (or you could get a more common Yogi). And don't forget Campenella--the '51 Bowman, I think. HEY, LEMKE SOLVED HIS OWN PROBLEM! Might even get Chief Meyers in there too, even if he isn't quite HOF. Alas, you're right about no hair betwewen 1910-196something (Dick Allen had a mustache or beard, my housemate says--but NO ONE ELSE!). Fin- gers rookie is even mustachelesss, I think. And my, and someone else's idea about "great home run hitters" ("Great sluggers" since there weren't hardl;y any home runs hit before 1919), is also good. See, Bob L. says the card really has to grab grandma (or someone who a price guide wouldn't ordinarily grab). Great catchers are usually great players--eh voila!

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11-15-2002, 04:38 PM

Posted By: MWHow about this esoteric, yet universal theme -- cards that should/could have been, but never were? A few examples: 1915 Cracker Jack Babe Ruth, T206 Joe Jackson, 1933 Goudey Satchel Paige, 1962 Topps Maury Wills, 1984 Donruss Roger Clemens. Of course, such a theme might face the risk of a few of the artistic creations ending up in you-know-whose auctions.

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11-15-2002, 05:50 PM

Posted By: runscott<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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11-15-2002, 06:18 PM

Posted By: runscottBob Lemke could pick the ones he wants on the book, and we could "create" them <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>. I volunteer! <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/catchme/T206SP.JPG">

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11-16-2002, 05:11 PM

Posted By: warshawlawoutstanding.

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11-16-2002, 05:13 PM

Posted By: warshawlawCasey Cox? Joe Bush? Pie Traynor?

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11-16-2002, 05:59 PM

Posted By: Julie VognarThis is a price guide! You can't have phoney cards on the cover of a price guide. You'll confuse the masses. Er, novice collectors. Catchers, catchers catchers! Piazza, Rodrigez, Campanella, Berra, Cochraine (still can't spell it), Meyers, Ewing. For the cover: isn't there an Old Judge of Ewing in his 19th century crouch? Next to Pudge or Piazza in his 20th century squat. I'm really stuck on this one. And the Diamond Star Cochraine and '51 Bowman Campanella aren't crouching, even though they're wearing catchers gear! So you don't have to get bored seeing a lot of squatting catchers...

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11-16-2002, 06:16 PM

Posted By: Patrick McMenemyScott: You missed the obvious: Bernie Carbo!

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11-16-2002, 06:54 PM

Posted By: MW << This is a price guide! You can't have phoney cards on the cover of a price guide. You'll confuse the masses. Er, novice collectors. >> How so? Think of it in terms of marketing, Julie. I guarantee you that several "What If?" cards would grab peoples' attention (and hold it) far more than any other type of baseball picture with a cardboard backing. Just look at the 2003 edition -- I had no idea the McGwire/Dog and Giambi/Dog cards even existed! Also, think about it from a visual perspective. Far too often on past issues, there has been too much aesthetic dissonance between cards from different time periods. New, artistic latitude will eliminate this problem and create a more harmonious coexistence between cover subjects.

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11-16-2002, 07:04 PM

Posted By: NealHow about players with a controversial history ala Joe Jackson, Pete Rose, and another one from the '30's through the 50's that someone can think of. Maybe Willy Mays, although I guess he was reinstated.

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11-16-2002, 07:07 PM

Posted By: MWthan Sid Finch.

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11-16-2002, 08:29 PM

Posted By: Patrick McMenemyO.K. you don't have to twist my arm. I agree that a cover with catchers would have great eye appeal, and would reflect the evolution of the game! I certainly have based my type collection on this concept. Here are some of my recommendations that follow Mr Lemke's outline: 19th century selections: N175 Large Gypsy Queen (California Brown, C. N.Y.); N167 Old Judge (Catcher, Ewing) Early Tobacco: B18 Blanket (George Gibson) Purple Pennants; T206 Nodgrass, Catching (Printing Error); T3 Turkey Red (Red Kleinow);E125 American Caramel Die Cut(Bill Carrigan);E-145 Cracker Jack (Chief Meyers) Pre WWII Gum: 1933 Goudey (Benny Benough);1934-36 Diamond Stars (Jimmy Foxx) 1950: 1955 Bowman (Roy Campanella) 1968 Topps (Johnny Bench) 1973 Topps (Carlton Fisk) 1992 Bowman (Mike Piazza) This would be my fantasy cover of cathcers!

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11-17-2002, 10:35 AM

Posted By: Bob LemkeFirst, I have to point out the catchers-in-gear theme is not my idea; it came from long-time hobby friend Bud Obermeyer. My guess is on the cover we'd need a N172/173 of California Brown (since I don't believe Ewing is seen in gear), a really new Piazza and a Bench (any suggestions?) as much as I despise the man. I love Bud's suggestion of a 1933(?) or 1934(?) Goudey Paul Richards for the spine, or perhaps a Cochrane. On the back we'll need a I-Rod or Javy Lopez, the '51B Campy, and isn't there a Wide Pen or similar Thirties issue of a really tight close-up of a player in mask? Also need a minor leaguer or regional of any era. Further suggestions welcome!

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11-17-2002, 10:51 AM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Bob I'm not a big Bench fan either, but the 76 Topps card would work quite well . later brian

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11-17-2002, 10:56 AM

Posted By: john(z28jd)74 Fisk! dont use Bench,the fisk pose is great in 74,full catcher gear play at the plate

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11-17-2002, 11:50 AM

Posted By: B. HodesI recall there being some nice ones of Bresnahan in gear (T207 or maybe one of those Game sets from the teens Barker, Polo Grounds etc.) I think Bench's '69 card is preety good too. Also Bill Dickey's 39 PB is a good Catcher shot... (How come there is all of this animus directed at Bench anyway?)

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11-17-2002, 11:51 AM

Posted By: runscott...and the n72 California Brown is a definite! (wish I still had mine). I also like the '34-35 Diamond Star Jimmie Foxx. I still feel it's sacrilege to put a modern card alongside all those beauties - another reason to split up the book! Here is my "catcher gear" web-page: <img src="http://www.homestead.com/runscott/files/catchers.jpg">

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11-17-2002, 01:50 PM

Posted By: jeff s<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/nb/jms/oj_brown.JPG"> and another OJ catcher: <img src="http://www.angelfire.com/nb/jms/oj_collins.JPG"> i can make better scans available if necessary

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11-17-2002, 02:04 PM

Posted By: Julie VognarHow does this grab you7--for one thing, everybody ought to know Ewing was a catcher, gear or no gear--how can you leave him out? How does this grab anyone for the spine: a T202 with Meyers on one end and Matty on the other, climbing it? (there're only about 8 in the T202 set). Sneak a Matty in on a catcher card--everyone likes to look at Matty. Also there's a T202 of a catcher in action--Ira Thomas, signaling to pitcher to throw to Jim Delahanty ("Jim Delahanty at Bat"). Glad you like the '51 Campy--.

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11-17-2002, 02:17 PM

Posted By: Julie Vognarwho is it? What set? The I-Rod rookie from the '91 Upper Deck set is nice. I don't own a single Piazza! Someone suggested a Cracker Jack meyers--the T202 you can't see his uniform (even though you can see his batterymate). Does the CJ Meyers show catcher's gear? Why didn't Ewing ever pose in his catcher's gear? Drat him! What about the N73? Isn't Ewing in catcher's gear in that one?

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11-17-2002, 02:20 PM

Posted By: PaulBob Lemke asked awhile back about 1930s cards showing a closeup of a catcher in gear. The Diamond Star Foxx is nice, but an even more closeup shot of him is the R311 Leather. This card basically shows Foxx's head with a mask on and nothing else. It's the ultimate catcher close up. Also, I believe the Wide Pen premium of Lombardi shows him in full gear.

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11-17-2002, 03:45 PM

Posted By: jay behrensFritz 'Wife Swapper' Peterson Jay

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11-17-2002, 05:24 PM

Posted By: runscottIt might look too much like a photo for a book cover though <img src="http://www.homestead.com/runscott/files/r311foxx.JPG">

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11-17-2002, 06:11 PM

Posted By: Glen VI like the cards w/ highest auctioned price idea. The casual person will notice the Wagner card, and love or hate Bonds, he deserves to be on the cover. Put the sale price in bold by each card – big dollar amounts get everyone’s attention. Another idea would be to get away from the standard cards. I think a cover with a 1915 PM1 Ornate-frame Cobb or Mathewson pin, 1952 Tip Top Bread Label Mantle, and any modern die-cut Bonds card would be different enough to get second looks from anyone walking by. There are lots of other player options for additional pictures. With all the modern die-cut cards, you could find one of just about any player you want to use. Other sets with unusual shapes include: L1 leathers (Cobb/Mathewson), 1888 Scrapps, B18 Blankets, BF2 Felts, Al Demaree Die-cuts (Ruth/Gehrig), 1926 Kut Outs (Ruth/Gehrig), Middy Bread, and Big League Stars/Dairy Queen Statues.

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11-17-2002, 06:41 PM

Posted By: MW<img src="http://www.bmwcards.com/chatboard/catchers.jpg">

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11-19-2002, 11:25 AM

Posted By: Bob Lemkeis the one I was thinking of. If we go with the catchers-in-gear theme, that's a definite for one of the 3-5 on the back cover. I also like the idea of a cover featuring non-rectangular cards; perhaps another year. In reviewing the Fisk-Bench cards, the only Topps card with Bench in gear is 1976. There are a lot of good choices for Fisk, right through the early 1980s. Who can recommend a really good Piazza-in-gear; the newer the better?

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11-19-2002, 12:16 PM

Posted By: Marc S.Has the following 2003 Mike Piazza cards with him in Catchers gear: <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1584942178" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1584942178</a> <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1584340087" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1584340087</a> <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1583831935" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1583831935</a> <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1584889515" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1584889515</a> They're all pretty ugly! But that's what you get with modern cards anymore...