Is anyone on here a lawyer? Ebay screwed me!

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Please look at the following: Ebay shut me down for shill bidding. I have NEVER bid on any of my own auctions with my 2 ID's Brunners and Darby-s. I do know T206Nate but have never met him in person. The other ID's I have never seen before! I had 100 items listed, they refund fees but the time I spent in posting them will not be accounted for. I want Ebay's ass for this!<BR><BR><br><br><BR>Dear darby-s (bandache@comcast.net),<BR><BR>Recently we became aware your eBay registered account was involved in the following activity:<BR><BR>* Shill Bidding, Deliberate - The deliberate use of second User IDs or other eBay members to artificially raise the level of bidding and/or price of an item, which is not permitted at eBay. Please remember that family members or housemates should not be bidding on each other's auctions.<BR><BR>Your account has been found to be involved in Shill Bidding with the following associated accounts:<BR>t206nate<BR>brunners<BR>t206king@email.com <BR>sfzeffer1<BR>pika-pika24<BR><BR>We realize that you may not have been aware that there was a rule against this activity. Therefore, we would like to take this opportunity to invite you to review our site policies, which can be found at:<BR><BR><a href="http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/shillBidding.html" target=_new>http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/shillBidding.html</a><BR><BR>Please understand our goal is to help you understand our policies to ensure successful experiences at eBay. Therefore, we respectfully request that you refrain from this activity in the future to avoid the possibility of a suspension of your eBay registration.<BR><BR>Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this important matter.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)<BR>eBay Inc

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Posted By: <b>David</b><p>If your facts are correct, the irony is towering.

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Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>So how did you get tossed off but Broadway Rick didn't? Or did he get tossed and was allowed back?<BR><BR>I can't keep the scams straight. <BR><BR>Seems to be some details missing in their action. Dan, did they tell you what makes them think you are all those names?

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><BR> Ebay doesn't have a clue! They allow, AAA paper cutouts, Pro Trimmed cards, and Broadway Rick to exist while picking on legitimate dealers for bidding on each others auctions. I have bid and won cards from many of the seller/collectors on this board, who have also purchased cards from me. Does this make us shill bidders? I have bid on some of Dan's auctions as well as T206nate's, because we happen to have the same interest, and to be honest I've sniped them a few time for items I had to have. Forgive my rambling, but Ebay's policies need to be enforced consistently or not at all. later brian

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Posted By: <b>David</b><p>'Irony' was probably not the correct word. I was relating it to the BRSZ incident where there 'wasn't enough evidence' to suspend him. Whatever is the correct word, it towers, at least 3 stories (As I live on a hill on a second floor, I tower simply by standing up).

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Posted By: <b>ty_cobb</b><p>As I tend to be a bit moralistic at times you<BR>must forgive me if indeed there is some wrongdoing<BR>on ebay's part.<BR><BR>But I really don't like users having two ID's.<BR>The term 'shill' itself to Me doesn't neccesarily<BR>imply short term personal gain to an associate or<BR>yourself, it can also to Me mean long term gain<BR>by artificially raising prices on rare card issues.<BR><BR>In that sense I think that despite all the slagging<BR>ebay gets it could potentially be better than a private<BR>auction house, where hidded bidders can keep the price<BR>of rare issues inflated and hide their identity. <BR><BR>Generally such bidders have the means and would gladly<BR>pay for the item even IF they won, but winning is not<BR>the intention so much as driving the price up.<BR><BR>Again no offense, I have grown up in a professional<BR>sports household and enjoy sports memorabilia from<BR>that perspective only, the machinations<BR> and profit motives of dealers I have little use for. <BR><BR>All that being said, I'll agree with the other board<BR>members that ebay should have banned a few others who<BR>have done far worse things. (In particular the AAA<BR>newspaper cutout thing apalls me.) <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I have 2 id's because I bid on hundred's of items and I use darby-s to leave ceiling bids on stuff that if I win for that price then great. I use brunners for stuff I really want and I just mark it and come back for the kill. This way I do not have 17 pages of **** under my main ID of brunners. Does that satisfy you wondering why I have 2 ID's? It really isn't any of your business as long as I never bid with 1 ID on another that I am selling with which I wouldn't even think of doing. I shredded ebay in a survey with the VCBC article and I think they are just messing with me so I need a legit lawyer who is willing to mess with them back. Because this is bull****! dan.

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Posted By: <b>jeff s</b><p>Ty-<BR><BR>What is wrong with people bidding what they are willing and able to pay?<BR><BR>Prices don't stay up because there are meanies out there costing you money--they stay up because if an item seems to go for abnormally low, somebody's going to bid with an eye on making money on it. I'll bet half of the people who contribute to the board do this, whether with $20 items or $2,000 items. <BR><BR>As came up in another thread, this is what capitalism is all about. It is NOT shill bidding, and is completely unrelated to eBay users who have more than one ID.

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Thanks Jeff, I think?

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>it really makes you sick! I swear, with the AAA business, they're saying "It's O.K. for someone to cut up pictures from old magazines, put them in fancy holders, and put high grades on them so people will pay a lot of money for them, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO!" There's just no other explanation...

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I just wrote to the othe LAME ID's they accused me of, 2 of the 3 bounced! They are bad, I need a lawyer bad! Any help is appreciated. Dan.

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Posted By: <b>jeff s</b><p>I sort of got off topic there -- but for the record, I know you're a good guy and can't believe this has happened.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>I wonder if it was a mistake and it was actually shill bidding going on betwen the other i.d.'s in the list? <BR><BR>Since they are accusing your Darby i.d. and Brunner's is in the list, they must be saying that Brunner's bid on a Darby item. Did you ask them to provide item numbers for the ones they accused you of shill bidding?<BR><BR>The other possibility is that the owner of one of the other i.d.'s was pissed at you for something and somehow managed to concoct some evidence using his own ebay handle (one he didn't need).<BR><BR>I also know t206nate and he isn't you.<br><br>

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Thanks Jeff! I ain't all bad! ask Leon. He hates me but likes my dad!

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>no! never! I would never bid on 1 of my own auctions. If anyone has seen me do this then I challenge them to show me where. I hate shill bidding, I turn it in all the time and get the generic blowoff letter "not enough evidence" I crushed ebay with the VCBC article in a recent survey, I think this is spite. I would love to sue them. dan. I wish I was T206Nate, I would have some killer T206 color variations!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>It amazes me that they do this crap w/o even asking any ? or contacting the accused. They love playing god and only a lawsuit will cure this. I really need a lawyer on this bad.

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Posted By: <b>Brian C Daniels</b><p>I bid on a ton of stuff in quanity because I know how much I can sell them for. I also buy stuff in an upward market on hot items,hold em for a bit and then sell them...like you stated,anyone with some coin does this.

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Posted By: <b>ty_cobb</b><p>Well I've finished dinner and just had to <BR>look at the so-called shill associates ebay<BR>lists. Between Brunners and Darby-S there is <BR>no cross-bidding at all. Each seems consistently<BR>professional in bidding patterns.<BR><BR>The other ebay users listed haven't sold anything<BR>lately of any significance so there is no tie in there<BR>either. Perhaps they could identify the offending item<BR>number?? <BR><BR>Huge mistake on their part, keep us informed on how you make out,<BR> or if they can clarify what their issue is.<BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>

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Posted By: <b>David</b><p>I don't think there's a legimate legal case here, unless you are going to take them to small claims court to recover costs for your hours posting.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Thanks for double checking me. They had me beginning to wonder if I bid on any darby-s stuff with my brunners ID. I hadn't checked but was thinking about checking, crazy. Anyway, you are right Dave, I am just so pissed I want to attack the ebay giant somehow. Actually, could be slander suggesting I shilled with no evidence of it.<br> A good point someone made was that the other ID's may have been shilling but you can exclude T206Nate from them, I have never seen him sell anything and he only bids on oddball T206 stuff. He won my Bresnahan with no red in STL last month and was bidding on my T206 with the name on top this time. There was another bidder on that auction but I didn't notice who it was, Nate was the first bidder. dan.

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Both Darby-s and brunners will probably be suspended permantly today after ebay reads the 35 nasty emails I sent yesterday. It stinks that they do not have phone support for problems like this. There customer service is PATHETIC in my opinion.

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p><a href="http://www.basestealer.com/phone.html" target=_new>http://www.basestealer.com/phone.html</a><BR>Don't know if the numbers are active but it is worth a shot.

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>WOW! Ebay just called me and said they made a mistake! I said "ya think?" They said they are going to scream at someone for this! I said "how about sending someone over to repost those 4 pages of stuff I lost?" They said "we are very sorry and have a nice Christmas". I said that is cool but how in the world can someone just clobber 4 pages of listings without even writing me? That is pathetic in my opinion.<br><br>Now for some kind words: yes this is still me, The gentleman that called me was very nice, understanding and concerned. He agreed with what I was saying and apologized!<br><br>MY SUPER EXTRA THANKS TO THE GENTLEMAN ON THIS BOARD WHO READ MY POST AND HELPED ME EXPEDITE THIS! I WILL NOT NAME HIM BUT I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANKS. DAN

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I found out who is turning me in falsly left and right! I bet none of you will ever guess! HINT. It is real obvious......................

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Posted By: <b>Robert</b><p>Did you get stun Dan? Rob

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>Told you a guy doesn't have to threaten you with a gun to be dangerous, just threaten you!

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>.<br><br>

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Posted By: <b>B C Daniels</b><p>and the RetaliatoryHornet should be sued DAN!!!<BR><BR>I'll open the fund to do it!<BR>I will contribute $50.00* anynoe else???