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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>One of our board members is currently on a graveyard trip to see where Joe Jackson& Ty Cobb are buried.<BR>Jackson's grave is almost always adorned with bats, balls, gloves or flowers. Didn't Jackson receive a "Lifetime" ban from baseball and thus from the hall of fame?<BR>Well he's been dead for 50 years, so let's put him in. The punishment would be never knowing you achieved this award.<BR> be well brian

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Obermeyer</b><p>There is no such thing as a "lifetime ban" in major league baseball... that's just a term that is thrown around whenever discussions of Pete Rose and Joe Jackson come up. <BR><BR>Jackson is on baseball's ineligible list. He is on that list with (I believe) 17 others. Anyone on this list cannot hold any job with a team in organized baseball, nor are they eligable for election to the HOF. Those on the ineligible list are allowed to apply for reinstatement after one year on the list. There have been players/executives on the ineligible list who have been reinstated - recent examples include George Steinbrenner, Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays. In Jackson's case, his family would have to apply for reinstatement in his name.<BR><BR>Before all of the bashing starts... I'm not weighing in on either side of the Joe Jackson/HOF debate with this post. All I'm saying is it isn't a "lifetime ban" per se.<BR><BR>Jeff Obermeyer

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>HI JEFF<BR> I know lifetime ban is just a term, but I was just thinking what an interesting term it was. In this era of political correctness, it wouldn't surprise me if someone off the list was reinstated and inducted into the hall. I'm sure the veterans committee will continue to vote in marginal players over the next 10 or 20 years, so they might as well cave and let a real HOFER IN. be well brian

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Posted By: <b>Brueso</b><p>What did Mays, Mantle and King George do to (temporarily) get on the ineligible list?

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>Mays and Mantle when they were involved as glad handers for Las Vegas casinos (gasp) and Steinbrenner when he was convicted.

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Posted By: <b>B Hodes</b><p>I recall reading on several occassions that Ted Williams -- a member of the mighty Veterans' Committee that until last year decided which old timers, negro leaguers, Executives or Managers got in the Hall -- was in favor of Jackson's induction and arguing that since "Shoeless Joe" was deceased his "lifetime ban" had expired.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Obermeyer</b><p>Brian... it wasn't a "lifetime ban". Jackson was placed on the ineligible list. Inclusion on this list is permanent unless the player is removed.<BR><BR>The chances of a current or future commish taking Jackson off of the ineligible list is slim. Commissioners will generally not overturn the decision of a previous commish, and I doubt that any truly new evidence will come up. <BR><BR>As for Mantle and Mays, Elliot took care of that. They were both "greeters" for casinos AFTER their playing days. As the story goes, neither was aware of the situation which they were putting themselves in with respect to baseball, and as soon as they were deemed "ineligible" both players cut their ties with the casinos. <BR><BR>Jeff

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Posted By: <b>TBob</b><p>Ted Williams was THE person who enabled the Negro league stars to get in to the Hall and had he not died and if Bud "Asshead" Selig were exorcised from office, Joe would probably have had a chance of getting off the ineligible list.