Enamel Proofs???

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I have seen this before and no one know has been able to give me an answer as to what an 'enamel' proof is.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>Some seem very interesting, for sure. Others I sometimes think were simply cut from blank-backed sheets, and then there are still others that I believe came from Topps Archives auction in 1989?? or so. But he has always had a ton of proof cards -- and I am usually very curious to learn more information about them. Especially since Alan Hager has such a dubious reputation, to say the least.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>That's where I've heard the term 'enamel proof' before, Shop at Home or one of those other shopping channels.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>Well, with two impeccable sources like Alan Hagar and the Home Shopping Network they MUST be legitimate.<BR><BR><BR>What did P.T. Barnum say - something about "who" being born every minute? <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>What is an enamel proof?<BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1817799390" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1817799390</a>

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Posted By: <b>Plastic Dog</b><p>I would like you all to open up your "Hager's Comprehensive Price Guide to Rare Baseball Cards 1886 to Present" and turn to page 73. What? Your dog ate your book? Fine, I will do your homework for you. I quote (and I will not render an opinion on the veracity - or grammar/punctuation - of this passage):<BR><BR>"Up until the early 1960's aluminum Proof plates were used to print the cards, this was discontinued when a cheaper process was developed. A thin enamel coated paper stock started to be used. I call them First Proofs. In the eighties 10 to 50 Proof cards were made. In the nineties hundreds of Proofs were made not only to check the cards but to impress investors and bankers with the new products many of the new card companies were making.<BR><BR>PROOF CARD: A card that is produced before the finished card, (but after the Progressive Proof set). A Proof is made before the final card is approved to detect errors in text, color or photography. All Proofs have Blank backs.<BR><BR>FIRST PROOF: The final accepted version of the Proof, (after the Progressive Proof set), which exhibit a glossy enamel obverse. They are printed on thin coated paper stock. These proofs also have a raised letter effect. All First proofs have blank backs.<BR><BR>PROGRESSIVE PROOF: A Progressive Proof consists of any combination of the 4 primary colors of Red, Blue, Yellow and Black. These are the first printed process Proofs that the engraver used, using any combination of the four colors and can range from 4 to 10 different color cards, which make up the Progressive Proof set..."<BR><BR>Clear everybody? Seems to me that "First Proof" would better be labeled "Last Proof" but who am I to argue.

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>So if I read that passage correctly, according to Hager, these "enamel proofs" were used starting in the early '60's, BUT, of course, the card that he is offering is from 1933. ??????

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Posted By: <b>Plastic Dog</b><p>your question is rhetorical.

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Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>What a load. <BR><BR>"enamel coated paper stock" - What! My butt. <BR><BR>Who ever buys into this scam deserves to loose their money.