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02-26-2002, 06:37 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Hey Folks,<BR>Not a big deal and I know this is for cards but since I collect packs now AND this sort of goes hand in hand I would appreciate some feedback. An expert on ephemera tells me this is fake. Is it?<BR><BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804400546" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804400546</a><BR><BR><BR>not a big deal since it was only a few bucks but I am curious....<BR>best regards

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02-26-2002, 06:59 PM
Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>Judging from the image it doesn't look fake but I'd like to see the printing style under magnification first. i own a couple of chinese cards with Pirate backs and I don't see anything obviously wrong with them. <BR><BR>Why did your expert say it was fake?

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02-27-2002, 06:20 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Hey Pete,<BR>Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. I should have looped it last night but forgot to. He said he was just positive it was fake and that was it. I have bought some fake stuff (by accident and cheap) before and this does not look fake. The printing looks very "period" with very good lithography. regards again....leon

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02-27-2002, 06:05 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>If anyone was interested I got a response from someone a lot more knowledgable than myself. The answer as to if it is a fake is yes and no......his response<BR><BR> I have seen in Beijng the original calender 1 time (!) and its<BR>size is DIN A3, the paper is very thin and very vulnerable. The calenders<BR>date from the beginning periode of the BATCO in China and Asia (1900-1914).<BR>The price of that specific calender I saw was $250 and that is a very high<BR>price for chinese collectors. The small-sized calenders you and I bought<BR>date from the 20s and 30s, knowing to be the 'golden' time of the cigarette<BR>cards. They are copies (that is what the chinese industry is best in!) but<BR>still from the good time (before WW2), otherwise I also would not have liked<BR>them. I have one serie with the chinese monkey-king, from that I learned<BR>that the calenders have been issued in a few different stories. So BATCO<BR>only re-used the popularity of these chinese stories in their advertisement.<BR>That makes them both a copy from the first DIN A3 calender from 1905-1914,<BR>and an original from somewhere between 1925-1939! After the Japanese<BR>occupied Mantschourei it was no big fun anymore to collect cigarette cards<BR>in China.<BR><BR>that was it ....best regards,<BR>leon<BR><BR>