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12-06-2001, 07:11 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Hey Mr. Billingsley,<BR>I am emailing to let you know there are some folks that think your descriptions on your e94's are a little misleading. Since they are the cards that came from the Lipset auction and were sold as trimmed they think you selling them as "short" is not being totally honest. What do you think?....best regards....<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>we shall see.......regards all

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12-06-2001, 07:40 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>He said that Lew told him that that would be an ok description so that is what he did. best regards all..

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12-06-2001, 08:24 PM
Posted By: <b>Jaime Leiderman</b><p>Does anyone here have to ask a previous seller about a new eBay list description?<BR><BR>I don't buy that answer...<BR>

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12-06-2001, 08:32 PM
Posted By: <b>David</b><p>Maybe the cards aren't trimmed. Other than Lee having one, I don't know which one of us has actually seen the cards.

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12-06-2001, 09:32 PM
Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>I haven't seen any of the cards, but based on what I know about Lew, I would say he's an expert when it comes to identifying a trimmed card. <BR><BR>I think the question many of us have is as follows: If someone purchases a card or a group of cards from Lew, is it the responsibility of that individual to list the item or items exactly as Lew did -- i.e., identifying trimmed cards as "trimmed" and not "cut short"?<BR><BR>I think it depends. Warshawlaw makes some very good points on this matter and I think we should all reread what he wrote. It is possible that the seller is committing fraud. It is also possible that, based on the seller's informed judgement, he does NOT believe that any of the cards he is selling are trimmed. If this is the case, maybe he believes that his opinion is just as good or even better than Lew’s. Without determining the seller’s expertise and intent, I think it is impossible to make a judgement about his business practices.<BR><BR>Leon makes some good suggestions too. Obtain a suitable guarantee from the seller. If a card is won in an auction, determine for YOURSELF whether the card is acceptable. Take a close look at it. Show it to others. Send it to SGC. If there’s a problem, return it.<BR>

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12-07-2001, 01:44 AM
Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>What a gutless response on Billingsley's part. <BR><BR>If describing them as being "short" was enough then why didn't Lew sell them that way too? <BR><BR>I don't think Lew went through the trouble of selling the cards because he had nothing else to do that month. I'm sure he, as any auction house would, wanted the highest possible price and would know that selling them as trimmed meant less money then selling a them as "short". But selling them as "short" when in fact he knew otherwise constituted fraud. <BR><BR>Do you really think that someone with a complete set, ANY SET, of cards where ALL of the cards are "short" is coincidence?

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12-07-2001, 02:41 AM
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I received the Wagner card. There is evidence of trimming across the top, it is not straight.<BR><BR>I will send an email to them and see what the response is.

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12-07-2001, 10:57 AM
Posted By: <b>Todd (nolemmings)</b><p>Just because your seller believes/advertises the cards to be trimmed does not mean you cannot have a good-faith, contrary opinion. That opinion, however, should be based upon informed experience and not wishful thinking. If I were Billingsley, I would have advertised them as short if I believed that, but would have made some mention that they were possibly trimmed, acquired from someone who sold them as trimmed, etc. If I had acquired them from someone other than Lipset or similar noted expert, I may not even include that language if I honestly believed they were not trimmed.<BR>The guarantee is the important part. Seller should guarantee that item is authentic and unaltered, even if otherwise sold as is. Buyers can then have some assurance when bidding. Just my two cents.<BR>P.S. I have had a few dealings with Mr. Billingsley, and always found him to be professional and a decent guy. Hopefully, this will work out acceptable to everyone involved. Peace.

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12-08-2001, 01:40 AM
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>24 hrs. and no response, it sure doesn't build any confidance in the guy.<BR><BR>Lee