Fantastic T-card "walk-in" (with provenance) at Phillly Show. You'll enjoy this story

[tedzan]

Dan McKee and I stayed at the Hampton Hotel in Oaks, PA this weekend. The lady (Nancy) at the check-in counter realized we were there for the Sportscards Show.
So, she asked us if we would be interested in looking at her husband's tobacco card collection ? A re-sounding.... "Yes!" ....from Dan and I, had her instantly call her
husband at home. An hour later, Dan met Nancy's husband at the entrance to the Show and paid for his admission ticket.

He came to the show with his binder (15-pocket sheets) containing an assortment of 200 - T206/T205 cards. All of them POLAR BEAR cards (ranging from Vg to Ex).
He received the cards from his Grandfather's uncle. I asked him where his Grandparent was from when he originally collected them.....Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania.

After we checked-them-out, we gave the gentleman an offer. He said he would consider our offer and wanted to discuss it with his wife. About a couple of hours later
he called us, and returned to the Show. Dan made a very fair and reasonable deal with him.

This collection includes quite a number of HOFer's (both T206's and T205's). Some examples are Cy Young, Speaker, McGraw, Bresnahan, Tinker, Evers, Chance, etc.

The moral of this story is..... we were very fortunate in selecting the right Hotel to stay in :)


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[ClementeFanOh]

Ted- yes, that is fantastic. I'd say it's good karma! Happy for you.

Trent King

[Rhotchkiss]

That’s awesome, congrats Dan (and Ted). Must have been so cool to look through the binder

[Seven]

Ted,

Congratulations! These stories always make me think how many collections are sitting in different places, undiscovered or just kept private from the hobby at large. Would love to see some of the cards you were able to purchase. Hope everything is well.

- James

[Hankphenom]

No, Ted, the moral is that they knew they were dealing with good guys and total pros who made them a big-time offer with no BS. Congrats!

[Pat R]

There have been quite a few of these finds this year more than usual it seems interesting that these were all Polar Bear.

[tedzan]

That’s awesome, congrats Dan (and Ted). Must have been so cool to look through the binder


Hi Ryan

The POLAR BEAR collection, and our lengthy conversations with you were the highlights of our Philly Show this weekend.

Take care my friend.


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[MuncieNolePAZ]

Very cool. Thanks for sharing Ted!

Chad

[NYYFan63]

Thanks for sharing this great story Ted and congrats to Dan on buying this Tobacco card collection!


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[5-Tool Player]

No, Ted, the moral is that they knew they were dealing with good guys and total pros who made them a big-time offer with no BS. Congrats!

Amen.....+1

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

I found this story interesting. Sounds like you did ok by this couple. Nothing worse than trying to hide the value of something and lowballing folks. Congrats on the cool purchase. Yes we’d love to see some pics!

[RCMcKenzie]

That's great. Sounds like it was an original collection that one of the heirs added to the binder pages at some point. Any Demmitt's or O'Hara's?

[tedzan]

I found this story interesting. Sounds like you did ok by this couple. Nothing worse than trying to hide the value of something and lowballing folks. Congrats on the cool purchase.

Yes we’d love to see some pics!

Hi Joe

This T205 Quinn is the only card I currently have from this collection. Dan pulled this one out of the binder because he knew I needed a POLAR BEAR of Quinn for my T205 run.
I expect we will be doing some forthcoming deals between us regarding this collection.

This T205 Quinn is typical of many of the 200 cards in this collection.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/tedzan77/websize/T205QuinnPB%20_2_.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/tedzan77/websize/T205QuinnPBb%20_2_.jpg



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[tedzan]

That's great. Sounds like it was an original collection that one of the heirs added to the binder pages at some point. Any Demmitt's or O'Hara's?


Hi Rob

About 1/2 of these 200 cards are T206's; and, I was hoping that a Demmitt or an O'Hara was in this group. Neither one of these variations are in this collection.

Perhaps, those two guys were only shipped out to St. Louis, rather than Lehigh Valley, PA.


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[Pat R]

Do you have a list of all of the cards that were in the find Ted?

[Rhotchkiss]

Thanks Ted, I appreciate the kind words. It’s always great seeing you and talking t206. Hopefully we will catch up again in December

[Seven]

Hi Joe

This T205 Quinn is the only card I currently have from this collection. Dan pulled this one out of the binder because he knew I needed a POLAR BEAR of Quinn for my T205 run.
I expect we will be doing some forthcoming deals between us regarding this collection.

This T205 Quinn is typical of many of the 200 cards in this collection.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/tedzan77/websize/T205QuinnPB%20_2_.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/tedzan77/websize/T205QuinnPBb%20_2_.jpg



TED Z

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Incredible that one of the cards you needed was sitting in the binder. Sometimes it just works out that way. Like you said, Ted I'm sure there will be many deals in the forthcoming. Hope you had a great Philly Show.

- James.

[NATCARD]

Love these stories. I like it when dealers are able to obtain collections direct from original owners or heirs. Jeff W

[BCauley]

Great story and thank you for sharing! Whenever I read of something like this, I always wonder how many other collections similar to this are lying around somewhere.

[parkerj33]

Great story Ted!

I recently was lucky to purchase two separate brand new to the hobby collections through a dealer-friend of mine in the Rochester ny area. I will post a separate thread not to steal your thunder here!

Suffice to say, these collections are out there! Everyone have faith!

[danmckee]

Notice the killer proof mark on the left border of the Moeller Jersey City card.

[whiteymet]

Congrats guys!

Dan how come something like this did not happen when we roomed together at the National in Chicago? Teddy must be your good luck charm!! :)

[Pat R]

Notice the killer proof mark on the left border of the Moeller Jersey City card.

That's cool Dan, it's an alignment mark and not a true proof mark.

[tedzan]

Congrats guys!

Dan how come something like this did not happen when we roomed together at the National in Chicago? Teddy must be your good luck charm!! :)

Hi Fred

Let me tell you the rest of this story......it gets even better.

There are 2 nearby Hotels in Oaks, PA. The Hampton Inn and the Hilton. Danny expected me to book us into the Hilton. However, I booked us into the Hampton.

The check-in lady (Nancy), whose husband's collection we bought worked at the Hampton. Had I booked us at the Hilton, there would NOT be a story to tell you.

You said it best, ole buddy.... "I must be a good luck charm" :)


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[Pat R]

Did someone write over the factory on the one to the left of Moeller Dan?
Based on other markings on the back it should be Griffith, Hummel or McQuillan.

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[Jason]

Awesome story! I love hearing of these old time collections coming to light!

[Seven]

Hi Fred

Let me tell you the rest of this story......it gets even better.

There are 2 nearby Hotels in Oaks, PA. The Hampton Inn and the Hilton. Danny expected me to book us into the Hilton. However, I booked us into the Hampton.

The check-in lady (Nancy), whose husband's collection we bought worked at the Hampton. Had I booked us at the Hilton, there would NOT be a story to tell you.

You said it best, ole buddy.... "I must be a good luck charm" :)


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Sometimes, coincidences like these are the best ones. It's very funny how life works that way, Ted.

[tedzan]

Sometimes, coincidences like these are the best ones. It's very funny how life works that way, Ted.


James

Were you at the Philly Show this past weekend ?


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[Seven]

James

Were you at the Philly Show this past weekend ?


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Ted,

Wish I was able to make it. Things unfortunately came up, such is life sometimes, as I'm sure you know. I'm hoping to make the one in December, assuming your there. If not I'm sure there is another show we may cross paths at! Hope you and the rest of your family has been doing well, my friend.

- James

[FrankWakefield]

Great story, Ted. Thanks for sharing.

Dan, that picture of cards on the table, with those tall stacks, that reminds me of old collecting, I love it! Nary a slab in sight.

That's a feel good story for the day.

[Northviewcats]

Congratulations Ted & Dan. Wonderful story. Gives us all hope that we will stumble across a similar find.

Best regards,

Joe

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Wow awesome to see!

Any idea, based on the cards included and their condition, what the approximate value of this haul might be? Just as is, not talking about potentially grading certain items. Is this a $25K+ stack? I know the cards pretty well but would honestly have trouble valuing them so as to make an offer.

[tedzan]

Great story, Ted. Thanks for sharing.

Dan, that picture of cards on the table, with those tall stacks, that reminds me of old collecting, I love it! Nary a slab in sight.

That's a feel good story for the day.


Hi Frank

Dan and I were like two "kids in a candy store".

The last time I had a T206 find that had provenance like this one was 14 years ago from a small town in North Carolina (400+ PIEDMONT cards).



TED Z

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[tedzan]

Congratulations Ted & Dan. Wonderful story. Gives us all hope that we will stumble across a similar find.

Best regards,

Joe


Joe D.

Great to hear from you.

Do you still go to the annual Cooperstown Show on HOF weekend ?


TED Z

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[danmckee]

Dan McKee and I stayed at the Hampton Hotel in Oaks, PA this weekend. The lady (Nancy) at the check-in counter realized we were there for the Sportscards Show.
So, she asked us if we would be interested in looking at her husband's tobacco card collection ? A re-sounding.... "Yes!" ....from Dan and I, had her instantly call her
husband at home. An hour later, Dan met Nancy's husband at the entrance to the Show and paid for his admission ticket.

He came to the show with his binder (15-pocket sheets) containing an assortment of 200 - T206/T205 cards. All of them POLAR BEAR cards (ranging from Vg to Ex).
He received the cards from his Grandfather's uncle. I asked him where his Grandparent was from when he originally collected them.....Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania.

After we checked-them-out, we gave the gentleman an offer. He said he would consider our offer and wanted to discuss it with his wife. About a couple of hours later
he called us, and returned to the Show. Dan made a very fair and reasonable deal with him.

This collection includes quite a number of HOFer's (both T206's and T205's). Some examples are Cy Young, Speaker, McGraw, Bresnahan, Tinker, Evers, Chance, etc.

The moral of this story is..... we were very fortunate in selecting the right Hotel to stay in :)


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Dan also, after paying the nice couple, gave them an extra $100 bill for dinner that night..... That way they will keep my business card :)

[danmckee]

Did someone write over the factory on the one to the left of Moeller Dan?
Based on other markings on the back it should be Griffith, Hummel or McQuillan.

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That's extra blue ink from the printing process. Look at the word "Assorted" that has a bunch in it too. Cool Stuff!

[sreader3]

Very cool Ted and Dan. Looks like a terrific group of cards. Thanks for the photos.

[Pat R]

That's extra blue ink from the printing process. Look at the word "Assorted" that has a bunch in it too. Cool Stuff!

Thanks Dan, I've seen the extra blue that's in the l and p on the one in your picture on the three players I mentioned but I hadn't seen it over the factory before that's why I asked if it was Griffith, Hummel or Mcquillan.

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[Casey2296]

Congrats Dan & Ted, Karma is a thing and you guys deserve it.

[tedzan]

Ted,

Wish I was able to make it. Things unfortunately came up, such is life sometimes, as I'm sure you know. I'm hoping to make the one in December, assuming your there. If not I'm sure there is another show we may cross paths at! Hope you and the rest of your family has been doing well, my friend.

- James

James

I plan on being at the December (2 - 4) Show. I look forward to seeing you and your Dad there.

Take care,


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[Kevin Savage]

Teddy and Dan-

Congrats on the find! I tried to get my man Pat to stay at that hotel ( I think I smelled a card deal......ha ha). Pat stayed at a different hotel and was offered a bunch of 1980's common cards by the lady at the desk. Just our luck!

Sorry I missed the show- hope to see you guys in December (When everyone will be staying at your hotel......)

[tedzan]

Teddy and Dan-

Congrats on the find! I tried to get my man Pat to stay at that hotel ( I think I smelled a card deal......ha ha). Pat stayed at a different hotel and was offered a bunch of 1980's common cards by the lady at the desk. Just our luck!

Sorry I missed the show- hope to see you guys in December (When everyone will be staying at your hotel.......)


Hi Kevin

I always considered the shows at Oaks were better than the Valley Forge Casino shows. This one certainly proved it.

Look forward to seeing you and Pat in December.

Take care my friend,


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[tedzan]

Very cool Ted and Dan. Looks like a terrific group of cards. Thanks for the photos.

Thanks, Scot.....always great to hear from you.

I am a little surprised to find the POLAR BEAR tobacco brand distributed in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

Take care my friend,


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[Pat R]

Thanks, Scot.....always great to hear from you.

I am a little surprised to find the POLAR BEAR tobacco brand distributed in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

Take care my friend,


TED Z

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Ted, there are a lot of ads for Polar bear tobacco in Northeastern Pennsylvania newspapers many of them are from Allentown newspapers right near where you said the grandfather was when he collected them.

[sreader3]

I think it is a consensus view that Polar Bear scrap tobacco was packaged in Middletown, OH, just north of Cincinnati. That's about halfway between St. Louis and Philly (admittedly a little closer to St. Louis). It would not be shocking (at least to me) if PB packs made their way to eastern PA. I do find it interesting that there were no Demmitts or O'Haras in the collection.

Take care guys.

[tedzan]

Ted, there are a lot of ads for Polar bear tobacco in Northeastern Pennsylvania newspapers many of them are from Allentown newspapers right near where you said the grandfather was when he collected them.

Thanks Pat,

I was unaware of the PB adv. in the Northeastern Pennsylvania area.


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[tedzan]

I think it is a consensus view that Polar Bear scrap tobacco was packaged in Middletown, OH, just north of Cincinnati. That's about halfway between St. Louis and Philly (admittedly a little closer to St. Louis). It would not be shocking (at least to me) if PB packs made their way to eastern PA. I do find it interesting that there were no Demmitts or O'Haras in the collection.

Take care guys.


Scot

My guess is that American Lithographic shipped all (or most) of the Demmitt and O'Hara St. Louis variations to the St. Louis area.


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[Pat R]

Scot

My guess is that American Lithographic shipped all (or most) of the Demmitt and O'Hara St. Louis variations to the St. Louis area.


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Ted,

They excluded some areas in the packing and shipping of certain brands because of the tobacco laws in those areas but I don't think it would have been practical for them to start pulling certain players to include or exclude. If there was around 100 T206's that's only 40% of the polar Bears if there were no duplicates so most likely Demmitt and O'hara just happened to be in the 60% that weren't in the collection.

[tedzan]

Imagine how fabulous it would have been if these two guys were included in this collection ?

Approximately 100 subjects are T206's, representing the 350-only Series....350/460 Series....460-only Series (both Print groups).



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Graded "A" for Affordable and Attractive :)


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[Yoda]

Ted, what a great success story for all concerned. Win-win. And it demonstrates yet again that there is still undiscovered stuff out there waiting to be outed.
Hoping to make December show, particularly since I missed the National. Unless, of course, Florida gets smacked again with another Ian. Fortunately, for me and many other Floridians Palm Beach County was mostly spared. I fear that our local insurance and world reinsurance markets are going to be hard pressed to meet their liabilities, given the severity of Ian. John

[tedzan]

Ted, what a great success story for all concerned. Win-win. And it demonstrates yet again that there is still undiscovered stuff out there waiting to be outed.
Hoping to make December show, particularly since I missed the National. Unless, of course, Florida gets smacked again with another Ian. Fortunately, for me and many other Floridians Palm Beach County was mostly spared. I fear that our local insurance and world reinsurance markets are going to be hard pressed to meet their liabilities, given the severity of Ian. John


Hi John

The Oaks, PA facility is better suited for a large BB card Show (like Philly) than the Valley Forge showroom.

John, you have to come up here and check-it out.


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[Pat R]

The alignment mark on the Moeller is probably because of where it was located on the Polar Bear sheet his cards were on. Here's another Moeller Polar Bear with the same alignment mark.

https://photos.imageevent.com/patrickr/bstforsale/img113.jpg

[tedzan]

As a number of you Net54er's know, I've been working on T206 runs of the Exclusive 12 subjects (460-only Series). Zach Wheat in this group of 12 has been a real
challenge. The Exclusive 12 subjects were each printed with 13 backs. Thanks to Dan making a deal with me for the POLAR BEAR back from this collection. None of
the Exclusive 12 subjects were printed with LENOX or PIEDMONT 460 Fac #42 backs. They were printed with UZIT, however Wheat has yet to be confirmed with it.


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