Guess the PSA Grade! 1948 Leaf Paige new to hobby!

[vthobby]

Winner will be the person who gets the PSA grade EXACT. Don't be afraid to guess that it might not even get graded, you can add qualifiers, or give me a straight grade guess. Plenty of combos. Maybe it gets a qualifier, maybe it does not get slabbed, maybe its a straight grade?

Winner will receive a mix of 4 autographed sports (could be any sport) index cards from my vast collection. My choice.

You can still vote up until I post a pic of the card out of the PSA Box hopefully Wednesday afternoon! Rember, only 1 winner and it's the 1st that guesses so if you see it up on the list, guess somethig else!

Ties go to the person who guessed only once and was the 1st one to get his or her Grade guess in! In other words, only 1 winner! Good luck! Thanks! Mike :)

PS Small hints, the card has the eye appeal of a STRONG 8 minus the tape issue! Appears to have been pulled from a pack and taped in a book or something. You can still guess "fake or counterfeit" if you'd like. Since you can't measure the card from the photo I should say that it measured DEAD on to the correct specs for 1948-49 Leaf cards, Not bigger, Not a mm shorter on all sides. It also was with some other 1948 Leaf "taped" cards.

PS 2 : Card is at PSA and I did not get a scan of the back! Ugh. I can tell you the back is CLEAN and about maybe 60/40 or even 70/30 off center but beautiful! Also, the small speck on the left side of card (middle) is in the top loader and is a speck of dust or something. I pulled it out before sending the card.

PS 3: This card was an original owner card recently found. I had it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders. It could still have a quaifier I guess like ST or MK but it should not come back Altered. I believe they would assume the original "taper" did this non maliciously. I have sent well over a thousand cards to PSA over the years. I am confident (could be wrong but thinking I won't be) It is not altered. Very nice but not altered!

Thanks! Mike

[Tyruscobb]

Authentic but altered

[vthobby]

Authentic but altered

Thanks for being the first to guess!

Peace, Mike

PS Since you can't measure the card from the photo I should say that it measured DEAD on to the correct specs for 1948-49 Leaf cards, Not bigger, Not a mm shorter on all sides. It also was with some other 1948 Leaf "taped" cards.

[Seven]

I'm very bad at Guessing grades, I'm going to go with a 2, because of the tape.

[frankbmd]

3 st

[Casey2296]

Back scan?

[vthobby]

Back scan?

Card is at PSA and I did not get a scan of the back! Ugh. I can tell you the back is CLEAN and about maybe 60/40 or even 70/30 off center but beautiful!

Thanks! Mike

[GeoPoto]

4

[Belfast1933]

I’ll take 2.5

[Fred]

2.5 -scartch the 2.5, was a minute late on that one, sheesh...

will go with 7 (MK)

[BabyRuth]

2 st

[3-2-count]

PSA 1.5

And a darn nice one at that!

[deeg23]

I’ll guess PSA 4 ST... Thanks Mike!

[swarmee]

6(ST) since my first guess was already taken.

[Sinker Slider]

Psa 1.

[AGuinness]

Did you submit it through PWCC? If so, I say it comes back without the tape residue, a micro-cut smaller and in a PSA 9 holder. Ha!

[vthobby]

Did you submit it through PWCC? If so, I say it comes back without the tape residue, a micro-cut smaller and in a PSA 9 holder. Ha!

I submit all my cards directly. :)

Thanks! Mike

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Assuming you didn't request "no qualifier?"

Is it actual tape or just residue?

[AGuinness]

I submit all my cards directly. :)

Thanks! Mike

It's generous for you to have the contest, thanks! My real guess was already taken - but it's a great card for whatever grade it ends up with (even if it's not slabbed).

[vthobby]

Assuming you didn't request "no qualifier?"

Is it actual tape or just residue?

I sent it "as is", I did request no qualifiers but they sometimes ignore that. :) It appears that the top layer of glossy tape has fallen off. It is tape residue only. Looks to be embedded into the card over the years.

Thanks Scott.

[timber63401]

5 st

[bigfish]

7st

[oldeboo]

PSA 6 with no qualifiers as PSA tends to be all over the place

[Throttlesteer]

Vg 3 (st)

[pokerplyr80]

4 mk

[111gecko]

Authentic but altered

It will be this.

[Ricky]

3 mk

[RL]

3.5

[hockeyhockey]

3.5

[vthobby]

This card was an original owner card recently found. I had it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders. It could still have a quaifier I guees like ST or MK but it should not come back Altered. I believe they would assume the original "taper" did this non maliciously. I have sent well over a thousand cards to PSA over the years. It is not altered. Very nice but not altered!

Peace, Mike

[GasHouseGang]

I'll say 3.5 ST, assuming they ignore the "no qualifier" request.

[vthobby]

I'll say 3.5 ST, assuming they ignore the "no qualifier" request.

I always love the MC or the OC qualifiers when you ask for "No Qualifiers". I mean.......its pretty obvious that its not centered. Why would you need to put that? lol

Mike

[PhillyFan1883]

Psa 1

[samosa4u]

did you submit it through pwcc? If so, i say it comes back without the tape residue, a micro-cut smaller and in a psa 9 holder. Ha!

winner!

[vthobby]

winner!

Now Now.... "winner" is not a guess! :cool:

Mike

[Yoda]

It will be this.

I am with my colleagues here.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I think 2.5 is still available.

[vthobby]

I am with my colleagues here.

Let me re-iterate:

This card was an original owner card recently found. I got it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders.

Feel free to guess what you like but this card has not been altered in any way!

Peace, Mike

[Lorewalker]

Let me re-iterate:

This card was an original owner card recently found. I got it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders.

Feel free to guess what you like but this card has not been altered in any way!

Peace, Mike

Going with PSA 1 but a card with great eye appeal.

[vthobby]

I found an old thread that discussed "tape stains" and it seemed the general consensus was that it was ultra rare and possibly unheard of to get a 3. Usually an Authentic 1 or higher depending on eye appeal. If they used qualifiers maybe it could go a bit higher? Not sure.

Thanks for all the guesses. Not sure if any grades are left but I'm sure there are some combos that have not been guessed! Good luck!

Peace, Mike

[tedzan]

Card is at PSA and I did not get a scan of the back! Ugh. I can tell you the back is CLEAN and about maybe 60/40 or even 70/30 off center but beautiful!

Thanks! Mike

Hey Mike

My guess is WHATEVER :)

Before PSA sends it back to you, tell them to label the flip.....1949. Or else you will have a card that is mis-dated.

These LEAF cards were issued in the Spring of 1949 (1st Series). Paige was in the 2nd Series which was issued in the Summer of 1949.

I know this for a fact, since I collected these cards in my youth.

But, you don't need to take my word for this....JUST READ PAIGE's BIO, it confirms what I am telling you.

Good Luck.


1949 LEAF...... issued Summer of 1949
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1949LeafPaige25x.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1949LeafPaige25xb.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference ( http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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[vthobby]

Hey Mike

My guess is WHATEVER :)

Before PSA sends it back to you, tell them to label the flip.....1949. Or else you will have a card that is mis-dated.

These LEAF cards were issued in the Spring of 1949 (1st Series). Paige was in the 2nd Series which was issued in the Summer of 1949.

I know this for a fact, since I collected these cards in my youth.

But, you don't need to take my word for this....JUST READ PAIGE's BIO, it confirms what I am telling you.

Good Luck.


1949 LEAF...... issued Summer of 1949
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1949LeafPaige25x.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1949LeafPaige25xb.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference ( http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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Thanks Ted, I've always enjoyed reading about your experiences and exploits! I started opening wax in 1976 so a bit after you did! :) I did put 1948-49 on the form but I think they only have 1948 on the flips, I'll try. I also heard a crazy rumor that the Paige was only issued in Canada? Is there any validity to that? Thanks in advance! Mike

[Zact]

With the tape the highest is going to be a psa 2.

[tedzan]

Thanks Ted, I've always enjoyed reading about your experiences and exploits! I started opening wax in 1976 so a bit after you did! :) I did put 1948-49 on the form but I think they only have 1948 on the flips, I'll try. I also heard a crazy rumor that the Paige was only issued in Canada? Is there any validity to that? Thanks in advance! Mike


Mike

The 2nd (or Short-Print) series (49 cards) was issued only in the Boston area, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and possibly the St Louis area.

That is a "crazy rumor"....I never heard anything about any of these cards issued only in Canada.


TED Z

T206 Reference ( http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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[steve_a]

Whenever I am lucky enough to be the second owner of an SP Leaf, it seems that they come from the upper midwest. I need to spend more time there...

My guess is also AA

[vthobby]

Mike

The 2nd (or Short-Print) series (49 cards) was issued only in the Boston area, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and possibly the St Louis area.

That is a "crazy rumor"....I never heard anything about any of these cards issued only in Canada.


TED Z

T206 Reference ( http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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Thanks Ted as always, so interesting! This one came from New England!

Thanks! Mike

[tedzan]

Whenever I am lucky enough to be the second owner of an SP Leaf, it seems that they come from the upper midwest. I need to spend more time there...

My guess is also AA


Hi Steve

You don't have to travel any further than your greater Boston area. There has been several finds of 1949 LEAF SP cards in your area.


TED Z

T206 Reference ( http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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[BearBailey]

My guess is authentic, since you requested no qualifiers.

[sycks22]

Authentic

[Luke]

Auth Altered

[charlietheexterminator]

Just to be different, I say the grader overlooked the tape stain and gave it a “6”

[Kaneen]

I'm going to go with PSA 1.5 "Purple Label" :rolleyes:

[Browns1981]

1.5 st

[ullmandds]

regardless of what it grades...I guarantee this exact card will reside in a higher grade slab someday without the tape.

AWESOME centering BTW!!!!

[JustinD]

Beautiful centering for the issue.

Due to the surface paper loss from the lifting of the tape I agree with the Authentic Altered that has been mentioned.

If that was not there and the tape had fallen naturally vs removed, this could have been a 4 st or better.

Still a wonderful collection addition, nice!

[Gobucsmagic74]

PSA 2 (ST) since PSA 2 is taken

[vthobby]

regardless of what it grades...I guarantee this exact card will reside in a higher grade slab someday without the tape.

AWESOME centering BTW!!!!

Thanks Pete but that is not my "Game"! I grew up on "Antiques Roadshow" and just leave things as they are. It has done well for me! Let the card doctors drool! lol

Thanks!

Mike :cool:

[Oscar_Stanage]

6.5 st

[ullmandds]

Thanks Pete but that is not my "Game"! I grew up on "Antiques Roadshow" and just leave things as they are. It has done well for me! Let the card doctors drool! lol

Thanks!

Mike :cool:

That's cool...I'm similar. I DID say "someday!"

[chalupacollects]

6.5 for me since no quals...

[Exhibitman]

Altered.

[peanuts]

Psa 4 (st)

[hcv123]

2 st

Darn. Too late to the game!

[scmavl]

It's already taken, but I'm thinking 1.5.

[luciobar1980]

I'm going PSA 4 (MK)

[irv]

regardless of what it grades...I guarantee this exact card will reside in a higher grade slab someday without the tape.

AWESOME centering BTW!!!!

Nah, that wouldn't happen, would it? :rolleyes:

[vansaad]

4.5

[bobbyw8469]

Let me re-iterate:

This card was an original owner card recently found. I got it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders.

Feel free to guess what you like but this card has not been altered in any way!

Peace, Mike

You can say that all you want, but tape on the card is consider ALTERED.

[pawpawdiv9]

Nice card---- i agree its gets a Auth/Alter
but playing along----nobody guessed the dreaded NQ (just saying it might been sandwiched and a big woman sat on it.:D

[vthobby]

Nice card---- i agree its gets a Auth/Alter
but playing along----nobody guessed the dreaded NQ (just saying it might been sandwiched and a big woman sat on it.:D

That made me laugh out loud Chris. I know the Brooklyn Dodgers had Hilda Chester but not sure of any large Cleveland Indian female fans? :) :eek:

The card is being overnighted to me as we speak! I am resisting looking at the grade as I want to see it fresh out of the box! Anticipation!!! :)

Peace, Mike

[Bridwell]

Psa 2

[vthobby]

I just got a text with the dreaded "Exception Delay" so most likely tomorrow now! I was upset and thought I was texting my friend how upset I was and realized I was texting the UPS message I had just received.......oh boy.........if a real person at UPS reads that text, they will keep the card for sure! I took the day off to wait for it.......now ughhhhhh!

Peace, Mike

[vthobby]

Just my luck........... the best card I've ever sent to PSA........delayed with no explanation from UPS! Ugghhhhhhhhh..........tried calling and could not talk to rep. Must be that time of year!

Still taking guesses until I get this card back..........waiting to open he package before I see the grade! It's killing me! ughhhhhhhh What is strange is yesterday it said it was in NH at like 11am. Now that update is off the site and it just says "delayed". Should I be worried?

Hoping and praying to have the grade tomorrow! :):rolleyes:

Peace, Mike

PS I thought USPS was bad, now add UPS to that list!

[Kidnapped18]

Guessing PSA 1.5 Fair

Tony

[vthobby]

It's getting closer!

:)

Mike

[vthobby]

I'll list the grade and screenname and 1st guess only of each grade since only that can be a winner and a couple interesting tidbits about some of the guesses:

PSA Altered Exhibitman
PSA Authentic BearBailey
PSA Authentic/Altered Tyruscobb 6 others voted also - hope they are wrong!
PSA 1 SinkerSlider
PSA 1.5 3-2-count 4 votes with a ST qualifier also included (WINNER!!!!!!!, please message me your address!)
PSA 1.5 ST Browns1981
PSA 2 ST BabyRuth
PSA 2 Seven
PSA 2.5 ST Belfast1933
PSA 3 HawkFan70
PSA 3 ST Frankbmd
PSA 3MK Ricky
PSA 3.5 RL
PSA 3.5 ST GasHouseGang
PSA 4 MK pokerplyr80
PSA 4 Geo Poto
PSA 4.5 vansaad
PSA 4 ST deeg23
PSA 5 Schlesinj
PSA 5 ST timber63401
PSA 5.5 MK ullmandds
PSA 5.5 AndrewJerome
PSA 6 oldeboo
PSA 6 ST swarmee
PSA 6.5 chalupacollects
PSA 6.5 ST wid-conroy
PSA 7 MK Fred
PSA 7 ST bigfish

So....I know I'm dreaming but I hope the 2 members that picked 7 are right! I also notice some missing grades with PSA 5.5 being the most obvious!
You can still vote up until I post a pic of the card out of the PSA Box hopefully Wednesday afternoon! Remember, only 1 winner and it's the 1st that guesses so if you see it up on the list, guess somethig else! :)

Peace, Mike

[Schlesinj]

Put me down for PSA 5 since you have a spot open. Good luck today.

[HawkFan70]

PSA 3 sounds good to me....good luck!

[ullmandds]

psa 5.5 mk

[AndrewJerome]

PSA 5.5 since it’s open.

Andrew

[vthobby]

I have the PSA box.......will open in a minute!

429016

Peace, Mike:o:)

[luciobar1980]

:eek:

:eek:

:D

[luciobar1980]

You missed me on your list of guesses! I said 4 (MK)

[vthobby]

You missed me on your list of guesses! I said 4 (MK)

If you win, I'll figure it out, I hope you do! :)

Mike

PS Opening now hang on.....

[luciobar1980]

Oh wait, nevermind, I wasn't the first to guess that :p

[vthobby]

PSA 1.5

And a darn nice one at that!

The 2nd most popular guess hit and I LOVE IT! Corners, centering, colors, registration, but alas the tape did me in! What a beauty though! Wowser!

:eek::D:);):cool:

429019

PS Tony at 3-2-count...please DM me your address and I'll send the 4 autographs! Thanks to all! That was fun! I'll post more pics soon!

[vthobby]

429023

429024

429025

429026

Peace, Mike :)

[Bamacollection]

4.5 st... The card is beautiful. No qualifier? Makes no sense.

[vthobby]

4.5 st

The jury has spoken!

429027

[111gecko]

Awesome. You should be thrilled. Quick question; did you submit as “don’t use a qualifier” or did they just assign this grade?

[vthobby]

Gary,

I checked the No Qualifier box and wrote a note in the comments also.

Sometimes as you know they will still assign a Qualifier such as MC even when you ask them not to. I think the "eye appeal" and the fact that the tape is obviously old and not malicious was a factor! Not sure though!

I am thrilled! Thanks for all the comments and the guesses!

Peace, Mike

[111gecko]

Great job. Turns out that was a valuable check mark you made...Great card!!

[bobbyw8469]

Great job. Turns out that was a valuable check mark you made...Great card!!


A card like that really doesn't matter if it had a qualifier or not. It is still gonna bring the coin.

[111gecko]

A card like that really doesn't matter if it had a qualifier or not. It is still gonna bring the coin.

Totally agree....point being that some of us OCDers hate qualifiers!! HA...very happy for the OP. Awesome card!

[luciobar1980]

Sweet card, and the tape wouldn't bother me too much either. Congrats!

[JeremyW]

Great card- congrats! Would love to hear the story of how you found it & brought it back into the hobby.

[vthobby]

Great card- congrats! Would love to hear the story of how you found it & brought it back into the hobby.

Original owner collection, all had tape. This card was the "prize". I am good at "finding cards". Been doing it since 1976. Have found original owner 1957-58 Topps Basketball, 1948 Bowman Basketball low numbers, multiple Babe Ruth baseballs, T206s, T207s, all from New England. I use word of mouth and aggressive use of friend to friend constant reminding. Always looking! Some of these finds were with a friend who is also very aggressive at asking anyone and everyone we interact with! Little bit of luck and instinct. It serves me well when I collect celebrity baseballs also. Covidd has put a damper on my methods but there is so much uncovered stuff out there! Trust me!

Thanks! Mike

[JeremyW]

Thanks for the response. Hard work always pays off.

[Roulette44]

Congrats and nice of you to sponsor the contest and offer prizes!

[Ricky]

Congrats! Love the card!

[AGuinness]

Congrats! And the best part is how much you clearly enjoy it, that's the way the hobby should be!

[oldeboo]

Great card no matter what and good job with finding these gems.

[Kaneen]

I'm going to go with PSA 1.5 "Purple Label" :rolleyes:

Not so fast! I can still win this thing once this card gets submitted for the coveted "Purple Label!" I'm submitting a protest that a winner has been prematurely declared!

P.S. Beautiful card!

[vthobby]

Not so fast! I can still win this thing once this card gets submitted for the coveted "Purple Label!" I'm submitting a protest that a winner has been prematurely declared!

P.S. Beautiful card!

Thanks Kevin, I just got the paperwok from the White House for a re-count.

I'm on it! Along with the Alaska Vote Count! lol

BTW as a former comic collector, I did get the "purple" reference! lol

I can see the kid in 1948 putting the tape on and enjoying his card thinking "I hope they don't give me that damn "Altered" Qualifier or the "purple label! Happy Holidays! I enjoyed your humor! :)

Peace, Mike

[Kaneen]

Thanks Kevin, I just got the paperwok from the White House for a re-count.

I'm on it! Along with the Alaska Vote Count! lol

BTW as a former comic collector, I did get the "purple" reference! lol

I can see the kid in 1948 putting the tape on and enjoying his card thinking "I hope they don't give me that damn "Altered" Qualifier or the "purple label! Happy Holidays! I enjoyed your humor! :)

Peace, Mike

Mike...actually my reference was to the ridiculous (my opinion only) new service being offered by a startup company where they will "grade" the job your authenticator did, and if they deem the card looks better than the grade it received, they will affix a "Purple Label" to your slab indicating that the card is a really nice 1.5. So, should this card be submitted and awarded the purple label, I would technically be correct here! Lol

Here's a link to the net54 thread where the Purple Label was discussed:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=254339&highlight=purple

[vthobby]

Mike...actually my reference was to the ridiculous (my opinion only) new service being offered by a startup company where they will "grade" the job your authenticator did, and if they deem the card looks better than the grade it received, they will affix a "Purple Label" to your slab indicating that the card is a really nice 1.5. So, should this card be submitted and awarded the purple label, I would technically be correct here! Lol

Here's a link to the net54 thread where the Purple Label was discussed:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=254339&highlight=purple

I appreciate the correction. I instantly thought of the "purple" CGC labels for comics. That service you pointed out is hilarious and I had not heard of it! Thanks again! Mike

[Kaneen]

I appreciate the correction. I instantly thought of the "purple" CGC labels for comics. That service you pointed out is hilarious and I had not heard of it! Thanks again! Mike

If this card ever shows up as a 1.5 Purple Label you will hear from my lawyer. ;)