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I was thinking of getting this card re-graded as it returned a PSA 1.
I’m puzzled by the grade as it looks like a minimum 2 grade. I’ve seen worse 2s.
Any opinions as to why it was graded so low?
Card observations:
- No major creases
- Few wrinkles on the right side visible at an angle only
- Decent registration
- Good centering
- Some staining on the back
- Corners are a little soft
Thanks.
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DeanH3
11-26-2020, 10:48 PM
The lower end of the scale is where we see the most discrepancies between grades. I could see this card being a 2, or at least a 1.5, on any given day. However, I would expect this card to sell around a 2 grade anyway, so a regrade may not really be worth the time and cost. It's a really nice card regardless of the number on the flip.
Edited to answer your question. My guess for the reason for a 1 is the accumulation of all the minor flaws added up to a 1 in the graders opinion.
egbeachley
11-26-2020, 10:59 PM
Corners are a little soft?
If you were a new collector unfamiliar with T-206 set then you may not know that the corners are not supposed to be rounded.
NiceDocter
11-26-2020, 11:06 PM
Id rather own a 1 that would sell like a 2 than a 2 that would sell like a 1. Jus sayin..........
Corners are a little soft?
If you were a new collector unfamiliar with T-206 set then you may not know that the corners are not supposed to be rounded.
Yes, definitely not sharp at all.
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Throttlesteer
11-26-2020, 11:32 PM
I would call it a 2. But that being said, I would also say those corner wrinkles are light creases.
The lower end of the scale is where we see the most discrepancies between grades. I could see this card being a 2, or at least a 1.5, on any given day. However, I would expect this card to sell around a 2 grade anyway, so a regrade may not really be worth the time and cost. It's a really nice card regardless of the number on the flip.
Edited to answer your question. My guess for the reason for a 1 is the accumulation of all the minor flaws added up to a 1 in the graders opinion.
I wonder if more objective grading via computers would fix a lot of the discrepancies? I understand that an “auto grading” program is in the works?
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I would call it a 2. But that being said, I would also say those corner wrinkles are light creases.
True. Definitely could be defined as light as it’s not showing on the backside.
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CobbSpikedMe
11-26-2020, 11:46 PM
It's a nice card, but I've seen even better ones than that. Ones can be all over the place. At that level the number is meaningless and the eye appeal is everything.
Michael B
11-27-2020, 12:32 AM
I do not collect these cards and I have no interest in grading. Just neutral observation of the card as it appears. The blue lines are the probable creases and wrinkles I see.
Hankphenom
11-27-2020, 09:07 AM
It's a nice card, but I've seen even better ones than that. Ones can be all over the place. At that level the number is meaningless and the eye appeal is everything.
+1. I've never understood a system that gives this card the same grade as one driven over a by a tank in the mud. With ten points to work with, TPAs should be able to create some separation between those scenarios.
I agree that a 1 is pretty harsh. I think if you sent this is to PSA 100 times, you'd get a 1.5 a higher % of the time than any other grade. I also think a 2 would be reasonable. PSA has been tougher on corners in the last couple years than they used to be. Here's a 2 in my collection where the corners caused a pretty harsh grade.
yanks87
11-27-2020, 12:42 PM
I am guessing there is some kind of residue on the back. PSA used to default anything with residue on the back, even if it didn't cause paper loss, to a 1. That could have changed but I know that I got stung by it a couple of times.
Throttlesteer
11-27-2020, 12:45 PM
I agree that a 1 is pretty harsh. I think if you sent this is to PSA 100 times, you'd get a 1.5 a higher % of the time than any other grade. I also think a 2 would be reasonable. PSA has been tougher on corners in the last couple years than they used to be. Here's a 2 in my collection where the corners caused a pretty harsh grade.
Yikes. That could be a PSA 4 back in the day. Maybe there's something else I'm not seeing with the scan. But its certainly worthy of a VG 3.
luciobar1980
11-27-2020, 02:07 PM
It's a nice 1 but it doesn't shock me. Looks pretty dirty, some creasing in the corners and very rounded corners. I don't think this would get a 2 if you resubmit, maybe a 1.5.
nineunder71
11-27-2020, 02:08 PM
Check out this 2, hahaha
Stain on front, a few bites missing, and at least a dime size paper loss on back
wondo
11-27-2020, 03:05 PM
There’s writing on the back.
I agree that a 1 is pretty harsh. I think if you sent this is to PSA 100 times, you'd get a 1.5 a higher % of the time than any other grade. I also think a 2 would be reasonable. PSA has been tougher on corners in the last couple years than they used to be. Here's a 2 in my collection where the corners caused a pretty harsh grade.
That looks like it should be a higher grade as well.
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Check out this 2, hahaha
Stain on front, a few bites missing, and at least a dime size paper loss on back
I want to get your grader next time. [emoji23]
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cardsagain74
11-27-2020, 05:40 PM
Check out this 2, hahaha
Stain on front, a few bites missing, and at least a dime size paper loss on back
I gave up trying to figure out what they do with stains after this one. It's barely an 8 anyway with the L/R centering.
It's like the brown on the left border doesn't exist
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Bowman-Stan-Musial-PSA-8/233764149610