Vintage Baseball Ladies

[Leon]

Always appreciate a lady in baseball. There are lots of postcards with them.

That said I am not so sure the caption for the middle one will be well received by the players.

https://luckeycards.com/women.jpg

[teza11]

Gotta love a lady in uniform! Especially a baseball one...

Jeff

[Jcfowler6]

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Dem Dames.


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[White Borders]

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[Cmount76]

There's no crying, but there ARE women...

[Shoeless Moe]

currently at REA.......HUGE....Gorgeous......like Mrs H.....

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=73278

[Jcfowler6]

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[CobbSpikedMe]

Here's a gem for you. She's not technically playing the game, but she's there for it at least.


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[Huysmans]

There's no crying, but there ARE women...

Neat images but doubtful those ladies were actual players as opposed to posed subjects... check out card #9, she's not exactly a "Champion Batter" with that grip :D

[z28jd]

These are family photos, circa 1930, two great-great aunts and a great-aunt

[molenick]

I'm a long-time lurker who figured this thread was as good a time as any for my first post. This is an 1890s cabinet of Elizabeth Stride (known professionally as Lizzie Arlington). She is the first woman to play professionally on a men's baseball team. Hopefully I have scanned and loaded the attachment correctly. If so, I will post some more baseball ladies (it's one of my collecting interests). You can read more about her at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Arlington

[Huysmans]

I'm a long-time lurker who figured this thread was as good a time as any for my first post. This is an 1890s cabinet of Elizabeth Stride (known professionally as Lizzie Arlington). She is the first woman to play professionally on a men's baseball team. Hopefully I have scanned and loaded the attachment correctly. If so, I will post some more baseball ladies (it's one of my collecting interests). You can read more about her at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Arlington

Great cabinet photo
After her playing days, Long Liz was apparently a victim of Jack the Ripper :D

[molenick]

I didn't get the Jack the Ripper reference but I see now that someone with the same name was one of his victims....a creepy coincidence. Here is my one Virginia Brights cabinet and some women's teams.

[Spike]

Here is my one Virginia Brights cabinet and some women's teams.

What a great set of cabinets!

Am in the middle of writing about those Black Stocking & Polka Dot Nine cards. Given the mid-1880s business environment, it appears Allen & Ginter printed a series of card sets featuring ladies as a PR campaign fought on two fronts. Some of that's reflected in the baseball and non-baseball sets they produced.

1. Ginter made a show in the mid-1880s of being the first American tobacco company to hire women as cigarette packagers. I expect this saved them money in wages (compared to men) and helped them maintain profit margins during an era of rising competition from other major tobacco producers.

2. The 1880s saw industry conflict over the use of new, automated cigarette packing machines. Ginter was one of many companies to avoid them and employed over 1000 women to do the job by hand. Competitor Duke & Sons tobacco used machines in secret at first, due to the social stigma of automation. Duke's higher level of production soon allowed them to dominate the American market and brought about a series of mergers/acquisitions that resulted in the American Tobacco Company, circa 1890.

It's known that Ginter distributed a variety of 1886-87 cabinets (and related pack-in sets) featuring women in costume.

Cabinets
- N-UNC Cigarette makers (do these cabinets have an ACC number?)
- H807-1 Black Stocking Nine
- H807-2 Polka Dot Nine
- H807-3 Girl Cyclists
- H807-4 Yacht Club Contestants (not known to me if this subset contains women, just including as part of the H807 series)

Sets
- N46 Cigarette makers
- N48 Lady ballplayers (mix of Polka Dot Nine & Black Stocking Nine)
- N49 Girl cyclists

Compare faces on some scans from these series. You can see how women overlap across two or more subjects. They might also be aging between multiple photo shoots.

There's an ongoing question whether models or Ginter's own employees posed for these sets. While I'm inclined to think they used real employees, it's more significant that they presented women to the public in a multifaceted way that aligned with their own move to a female labor force. This meant showing cigarette rolling itself as something women could do, alongside leisure pursuits like baseball and cycling.

Within a couple of years, I believe the efficiency of Duke's machines made it clear humans didn't have a long-term role as cigarette makers. That could be why 1888 Duke Presidential Baseball Club (N154) pasted candidate faces onto the bodies of Ginter's lady ballplayers. By that point, Ginter no longer needed to make their women "visible," and might even have merged with Duke prior to the 1890 formation of American Tobacco, giving Duke card makers access to Ginter's photos. The lady baseball images themselves circulated outside Duke and Ginter, appearing on cigar cards (N694), silks, trade cards (H804-81), and probably others.

[ALBB]

very interesting

The sizes seem rather large ....sizes of the cards !!

[doug.goodman]

Here is the only m114 that I know of to include a woman

[doug.goodman]

Police Gazette cover from 1899

[molenick]

Here is an 1870s tintype of a Vassar player. More info (and a better photo) can be found on pp. 18-19 of Baseball: An Illustrated History by Ward and Burns (the book is the companion to the Burns documentary).

[Pack The Ripper]

Wonderful images! Thanks for uploading them.

BTW, I'm no relation to Jack the Ripper. :)

[Spike]

That is one heck of a hat!

Here is an 1870s tintype of a Vassar player. More info (and a better photo) can be found on pp. 18-19 of Baseball: An Illustrated History by Ward and Burns (the book is the companion to the Burns documentary).

[1880nonsports]

on the NS sister site I believe we uncovered evidence by way of newspaper clippings that the Ginter women were paid actresses. I too believed they were most likely the employees/cigarette rolling girls - especially given the apparent porcine figures on them dames. The Duke presidential club examples superimposed the candidates head's on what was likely a retread from the same photographer - when I collected this tangent I was never able to match between the Duke and Ginter examples.
Tobacco companies spent a LOT of money on these promotions - maybe 2 cents of every nickle - they were not opposed to repurposing and re-issuing things. I DO believe that a contract for the black stocking nine was found.

[molenick]

That is one heck of a hat!

I looked at it with a loupe and I can clearly read ABBC. Those letters are either preceded by a vertical line, the number one, or an I.

[molenick]

Since Leon started this with postcards, I thought I would post some of mine as well.

[rman444]

Great stuff everyone! Here is one of my pictures of ladies.

[molenick]

Great stuff everyone! Here is one of my pictures of ladies.

Thanks for posting that, I've never seen a women's team tintype before. Here are my two other tintypes of ladies. Despite the fact that there is no equipment shown, I am pretty sure these are baseball players. The woman on the left has crossed bats and a ball on her bib and I'm not sure what the two on the right would be dressed for except baseball.

[gonzo]

Working on a lineup.

[71buc]

Here a few type 1 photos of ladies in my collection. The first is a pair of 1910 Myrtle Rowe photos and an interesting article I found about her. Next is a 1943 photo announcing the upcoming tryout for the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League. Lastly here's a 1954 photo of Connie Morgan of the Clowns. She was signed to replace Hank Aaron.

[btcarfagno]

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Girl who played on her high school baseball team during WW2. She eventually played a few years in the AAGPBL and the softball field at the high school is now named in her honor

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Babe Didrickson and Hall Of Famer Jesse Haines

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1948 Real Photo Postcard

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1940's pair of women's baseball/softball shoes

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy203/collectiblesgains/s-l1600%201_zpsuhxaevjg.jpg

[h2oya311]

Effa Manley - only female in Baseball HOF:

https://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/c1930%20Manley.jpg..https://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/Manley%20-%201996.jpg

[packs]

I'm not totally sure what this is but I do know that Julia St. Claire played for the Bloomers in 1902 and I believe this card is from her time on the team. I also found references to her playing for other ladies teams in Texas as late as 1915.

I always thought that maybe this was something sold at a Bloomers game:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50687895671_88c776048b_c.jpg

[Leon]

Nice thread...

https://luckeycards.com/pcx3girls.jpg

[Leon]

more ladies

https://luckeycards.com/women2.jpg

[GaryPassamonte]

Here's one I used to have. Is it women or is it boys?

[Cozumeleno]

My lone contribution is one of my favorite cards -- 19th century Little Rhody Cut Plug.

[toledo_mudhen]

You remember Card Shows - Right?

Had a chance to meet and talk with these ladies - all HOF'ers from the AAGPSL back in the mid 90s at a Card show in Toledo (I think it was Toledo anyway)


The All-American Girls Professional Baseball League (AAGPBL) was a professional women's baseball league founded by Philip Wrigley which existed from 1943 to 1954


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[Leon]

a few more...not sure the middle teams name would fly in todays world.

https://luckeycards.com/women.jpg

[GeoPoto]

[QUOTE=Leon;2055196]a few more...not sure the middle teams name would fly in todays world.

They would change it to Phat Ladies.

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[vintagesportscollector]

1925

[toledo_mudhen]

[QUOTE=Leon;2055196]a few more...not sure the middle teams name would fly in todays world.

They would change it to Phat Ladies.

PHAT - Pretty Hot And Temptin?

[rgpete]

Sorry not vintage

[molenick]

Just picked this up. Was a little concerned because the seller's feedback was (3) but the transaction went smoothly, from sending my offer 2/2 to receiving the item 2/6. I know there's another thread about feedback on eBay, and some felt it was less of a risk to buy from a low feedback seller than to sell to one...it's only one example, but the buying part worked out for me on this item.

By the way, in hand the back row barely looks out of focus and the middle row looks sharp. I guess that is due to a large scan and not great eyesight.

[rjackson44]

Honest long She count

[Tomman1961]

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