Does PSA keep an internal database on attempted crossover cards ?

[Nick2mike]

Here is a 1966 Bobby Orr graded Mint 9 by KSA SN 02524100 that I referenced in another thread.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-67-TOPPS-BOBBY-ORR-RC-ROOKIE-CARD-35-KSA-9-MINT-BEAUTIFUL/154154748478

Let's assume it had 5 owners over the years and each of them submitted the card to PSA for crossover grading. (assume unable to crossover grade because it was sheet cut or trimmed) Just curious if PSA starts every crossover review by looking to see if this KSA SN was previously submitted ?
Thanks
Nick

[toledo_mudhen]

I've often wondered that myself.

I think most guys on the board will say if you are doing crossover - you should "crack out" the card.

I think KSA is a Canadian Grading Co (with a fairly good reputation?) and I have looked at a few in KSA holders but have never purchased one.

Having said that - I personally don't think this Orr card pulls a 9 from any of the big 3 (PSA, SGC, Beckett) on its best day.

To me - it doesn't present as "trimmed" but is hard to tell as the image doesn't "zoom" (in my ebay view anyway).

I do think the corners are soft enough (bottom left for sure) to have it come back as a 7 at best.

It's a significant enough card that I'm sure it has to have been sent in more than once to attempt the crossover.

It's a very generous 9

Edited to add:

Just found this one on the feepay - Which does look like a trim?

If not someone just bought the deal of the century

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-67-topps-Bobby-Orr-/233754957769?hash=item366ce197c9%3Ag%3ACewAAOSwOQ9 fknBi&nma=true&si=mjZx3vl7t1vZLd%252BzCIbJKZCV5DY%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[STL1944]

I don't think this item actually went through the whole auction process it is marked as "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was sold.
" so I am guessing the seller ended the auction early.

Quite a deal if it did sell though!


I've often wondered that myself.


Edited to add:

Just found this one on the feepay - Which does look like a trim?

If not someone just bought the deal of the century

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-67-topps-Bobby-Orr-/233754957769?hash=item366ce197c9%3Ag%3ACewAAOSwOQ9 fknBi&nma=true&si=mjZx3vl7t1vZLd%252BzCIbJKZCV5DY%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[swarmee]

According to an interview with Joe Orlando a few years ago, every card submitted is considered as though it was never at PSA before. Even 1/1s. Up to you whether or not you believe him.

[AGuinness]

I can't imagine they do, although in a perfect world I would hope the grading companies would do this and also communicate with the other grading companies to help police things.
But PSA is a part of a publicly held company and their goals are aligned with profits for their shareholders. Just off the cuff, if PSA did have a database and checked crossovers, it would cut into their profits:
It's been reported PSA grades 2 million cards in a year. Obviously a small percentage would be crossovers, so let's assume this is only 1% of their total card submissions. That's 20,000 crossovers per year. If a grader/employee spends an average of 30 seconds to check a database and/or input card information to that database per card, that's 600,000 seconds per year, which is 10,000 hours, which is the equivalent of 5 full time employees working 40 hours per week for a year.
Even if I've over estimated, that still isn't happening.

[Nick2mike]

I don't think this item actually went through the whole auction process it is marked as "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was sold.
" so I am guessing the seller ended the auction early.

Quite a deal if it did sell though!


That Orr card is a reprint. Back is much whiter than original. Plus on the back under the 1965-66 date there is a small circle below and to the right of the 66 (right on the line) That circle will be on
all reprint cards. I'll give him 50 cents for it.