ebay missing card gone bad

[brewing]

requesting to delete this thread

[ramram]

Unbelievable.

[sportscardpete]

Thanks for sharing. It’s a shame some people are that pathetic. Sorry you had to deal with this.

[timn1]

WTF, Justin?

Brent,
did you post this on Blowout?

[brewing]

Here's his PSA profile
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/sosamasta/profile/71750

[tiger8mush]

Justin Farber put a price on his integrity: $73.83

[slidekellyslide]

Wow. Post it up on Blowout, this is blatant right out in the open thievery.

[brewing]

Wow. Post it up on Blowout, this is blatant right out in the open thievery.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=16448994&posted=1#post16448994

[Seven]

Brent, Sorry you have to deal with such a terrible situation. The level of dishonesty by this shady character is beyond belief. I'm sure this isn't the first time he's pulled a scam like this either. I'm not sure what the best course of action is here, maybe getting in contact with law enforcement? Reaching out to legal representation? I'm sure other board members here know better than I do and will offer suggestions.

I'm sure while your pissed about the money, the principle is even worse at this point.

EDIT: I do think both sides of the story are important, and I may have been too quick to judge. I wonder what the full story is. For sake of transparency I apologize if I jumped to conclusions.

[Eric72]

Sorry to hear this happened to you. FWIW, I added his user ID to my blocked bidder list on eBay. If it gets straightened out, please let us know.

[hcv123]

Sorry to hear this happened to you. FWIW, I added his user ID to my blocked bidder list on eBay. If it gets straightened out, please let us know.

Blackballed!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Blackballed!

he can just change the username or make another account.

funny he had to put it on the registry so not about selling it..sounds like he has issues.

[brewing]

Brent, Sorry you have to deal with such a terrible situation.

I'm sure while your pissed about the money, the principle is even worse at this point.

It’s definitely not the money. While irritating, it’s mostly the principle.

[DeanH3]

Sorry this happened Brent. Did you have the card registered in a set yourself? Just asking because I have added cards to my registry before receiving them. Just throwing this out there that maybe it's possible he added it before he received the card. Good luck and I hope this is resolved easily.

[chriskim]

99% of the time buyers win if shipping records don't show the package was delivered. I have gone thru this on a $250 item before. Sad...

[GasHouseGang]

I added him to my blocked list on ebay. Sorry this happened to you.

[Casey2296]

The look of disgust on George Bell's face says it all.

[Jim65]

I hope karma bites this Douchebag right in his ballsack

[bobbyw8469]

I see that this guy sells stuff. You can always buy something of value from him, and say SNAD....not that I condone doing that sort of thing....but I don't like outright theft....which is what happened to you.

[rjackson44]

I see that this guy sells stuff. You can always buy something of value from him, and say SNAD....not that I condone doing that sort of thing....but I don't like outright theft....which is what happened to you.

agreed

[benjulmag]

Sorry this happened Brent. Did you have the card registered in a set yourself? Just asking because I have added cards to my registry before receiving them. Just throwing this out there that maybe it's possible he added it before he received the card. Good luck and I hope this is resolved easily.

I was wondering this myself. In any event, based on what you have reported, it might be a thought to contact Justin, demand an explanation and make it clear that in the absence of receiving an acceptable one you will inform eBay as to what is going on. Justin might not care, but I would think eBay would (or should).

[mrdbrooks77]

He is on fb. I messaged him. We will see.

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

[chalupacollects]

I see that this guy sells stuff. You can always buy something of value from him, and say SNAD....not that I condone doing that sort of thing....but I don't like outright theft....which is what happened to you.

He sells breaks...so buy a a team and if you don't get a card its an INAD... automatic loss for him...unless he gives buyer something decent...

[swarmee]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1412177
He responded on blowout.

[bobbyw8469]

He is saying he didn't get it, but I am not buying that. To me, it looks like the mail clerk delivered it and forgot to give it a final scan.

[nineunder71]

I believe this changes things, appears to be a legitimate response.

First, I want to thank Brent for outing an ‘expected’ crook, and looking out for the board. I would have done the same, and I wish u the best of luck!

However, Some of the responses on this thread Really make me question the integrity of our Hobby.

ANYONE here, whom wrote anything regarding ‘eye for an eye’ retaliation needs a Serious Moral check!

Too much of this crap going on around here

Oh, and since I called out some posts

To all a good day,

Colton English







https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1412177
He responded on blowout.

[RL]

In the past, whenever someone tried this scam, I filed a case on USPS about theft by a carrier.

Pretty quickly the tracking shows delivered.

If you have the same luck, and the order gets the delivery scan, call ebay and get your money back.

Good luck!

[chalupacollects]

Actually if you had tracking on the package go to local post office and request the GPS coordinates of the delivery. That will tell you if he received card or not..Be pushy with PO if you have to...

[hcv123]

DOn't have the head to pick it apart right now, but my BS meter was registering pretty high.

[bobbyw8469]

DOn't have the head to pick it apart right now, but my BS meter was registering pretty high.

Mine too.

[brewing]

For the record someone did send me a PM about flipping the role of buyer/seller to get revenge. My response was that I could not do that because it would require me scamming. I felt that calling him out was the best justice I was going to get.

He has removed it from the registry which is the only thing showing ownership. I really have no recourse at this point.

I still stand behind my initial post. Mostly based on circumstantial evidence.

[nineunder71]

Again, Well Done!!! on all Fronts



For the record someone did send me a PM about flipping the role of buyer/seller to get revenge. My response was that I could not do that because it would require me scamming. I felt that calling him out was the best justice I was going to get.

He has removed it from the registry which is the only thing showing ownership. I really have no recourse at this point.

I still stand behind my initial post. Mostly based on circumstantial evidence.

[farberjustin]

Sorry for the delay in responding all. I had to create an account to respond.
First time I heard of issue was on Sept 2nd when justinfarber10 opens a case.
I've gone thru steps with USPS, no luck there.
He requests to close case and ebay decides in their favor on Sept 11th.Exactly, I waited nearly a month before opening a case. And then I waited over a week for you to offer a solution, you did not.

justinfarber10 has been unresponsive to all messages sent outside of his ebay case. You sent me two eBay messages, neither asked a question, proposed a solution or requested my response in any way.


Checked and the card is in his PSA T206 registered set. I requested removal through PSA and he denied my removal request.
My side for those who waited before assuming the worst: I did not receive the card. I added it to my registry when I bought it on eBay using the image barcode. When I got the request to remove it, I rejected it since I rarely sell T206 cards (only when I acquire duplicates) and I hadn't sold any recently, so I was confused as to why I was receiving the request. I did not realize it was for the card I had not received until now.

My apologies for the inconvenience, it is now removed it from my registry.

As I said on Blowout, I feel like I'm being shook down here to cover your loss. If this is what you want I'd appreciate you being direct in asking. Post your PayPal and I'll cover it to clear my name. I wouldn't risk my reputation as seller, FB group admin or member of the Blowout forum for $73.

[Rhotchkiss]

Over $73, someone has either committed libel (Brewing) or theft (Justin). Good times.....

Having read this thread, my bet is this is an unfortunate, $73 misunderstanding

[farberjustin]

Justin Farber put a price on his integrity: $73.83
Please see above. I did not receive the card but will gladly cover his $73 loss to keep my name in tact. I offered this on Blowout 2 hours ago and he still hasn't provided me his paypal.

I really don't appreciate the defamation of character and plots to hurt me in this thread, all posted before I even had a chance to respond. Thank you to the one member who had the courtesy to contact me on Facebook!

[68Hawk]

With the response from Justin, I'd suggest a change to the thread title.
It is entirely possible that both scenarios seemed true from each of participating perspectives. His offer to make good on the loss suffered by the OP and lack of other wrongful activities suggests to me benefit of the doubt would be the better course.

A thread title like that lingers long and and harshly.
For a $73 item? I think it unlikely.

[BLongley]

Please see above. I did not receive the card but will gladly cover his $73 loss to keep my name in tact. I offered this on Blowout 2 hours ago and he still hasn't provided me his paypal.

I really don't appreciate the defamation of character and plots to hurt me in this thread, all posted before I even had a chance to respond. Thank you to the one member who had the courtesy to contact me on Facebook!

If you truly did not get the card , I’m not sure why you would offer to “buy” your integrity back so quickly.

[farberjustin]

With the response from Justin, I'd suggest a change to the thread title.
It is entirely possible that both scenarios seemed true from each of participating perspectives. His offer to make good on the loss suffered by the OP and lack of other wrongful activities suggests to me benefit of the doubt would be the better course.

A thread title like that lingers long and and harshly.
For a $73 item? I think it unlikely.
Thank you.

If it helps sway anyone else, I have dozens of people I've done deals with as a buyer, trader and seller that will readily vouch for me. I have 100% positive feedback on eBay, including from large live breaks and from selling hundreds of mystery baseball card re-packs. I honestly do my best to treat everyone in the hobby with respect. I have not stolen from anyone!

[farberjustin]

If you truly did not get the card , I’m not sure why you would offer to “buy” your integrity back so quickly.

Because he's defaming me on multiple forums, and since I care about my reputation as a seller and trader. Would you sit easy with a post calling you a thief up?

[BLongley]

Because he's defaming me on multiple forums, and since I care about my reputation as a seller and trader. Would you sit easy with a post calling you a thief up?

I would defend myself and work to prove I never received it and also communicate with the seller. It’s all circumstantial evidence but then you’re offering money too quickly, and as an observer that looks like guilt.

[Casey2296]

I purchased a Mel Ott 4-on-1 exhibit recently (Covid) and it got lost in USPS purgatory. I opened a did not receive case after 3 weeks. The Seller was really upset with the usps and went down to the post office the following Monday, I also went to my post office that day. Of course the post office couldn't do anything other than say it was somewhere between there and here. The seller and I had such a great exchange along the way, we talked about him going to Woodstock in '69 and how my girlfriends Family started "The Hog Farm", and whether Joe Cocker or Carlos Santana put on a better show that day. Hell, he even had a 70th birthday that week which we both laughed about. I told him to not worry about the card and that the power of positive thinking would make that card show up, and since he was on a fixed income, if it didn't show up he could just refund me what he would have made on the card. I enjoyed every bit of our conversations and would love to have spent a couple hours with him talking baseball over a wee dram.

A little over two weeks later the card arrived.

Sometimes these things have a way of working out with a little patience and integrity...

[nineunder71]

While I also believe the Buyer acted accordingly on his documented presumptions

Thank You Justin for your response

I believe your actions have cleared your name here

Please see my first post on this thread, along with others that were ‘curious’ as to important details, Not everyone judged you immediately!

This was/is a sticky case due to multiple details/issues presented

This is an awesome forum, I hope your future experiences here are better

Again, there is just too much of this going on right now

I side with BOTH, in this case


Please see above. I did not receive the card but will gladly cover his $73 loss to keep my name in tact. I offered this on Blowout 2 hours ago and he still hasn't provided me his paypal.

I really don't appreciate the defamation of character and plots to hurt me in this thread, all posted before I even had a chance to respond. Thank you to the one member who had the courtesy to contact me on Facebook!

[Beastmode]

This guy Justin is a piece of work. Already on my block list. F' him and his BS story. Another citizen in america that takes no responsibility, faces no consequences, and f's other people. He can f' himself.

[68Hawk]

This guy Justin is a piece of work. Already on my block list. F' him and his BS story. Another citizen in america that takes no responsibility, faces no consequences, and f's other people. He can f' himself.

You're an absolute dope.

[nineunder71]

Pretty sure you need to post your name after that

Please know the rules

This guy Justin is a piece of work. Already on my block list. F' him and his BS story. Another citizen in america that takes no responsibility, faces no consequences, and f's other people. He can f' himself.

[slidekellyslide]

I apologize for jumping to conclusions but this should be a lesson for anyone using PSA’s registry to not input the card before you have it in hand. I’m sure you can see why people came to the conclusion they did when you rejected taking the card off the registry. I actually do believe now that you did not receive the card considering the unfortunate condition of the post office due to Covid and the new postmaster general’s interference with delivery. I have had half a dozen packages go missing in the last three months, all with tracking.

[Leon]

Pretty sure you need to post your name after that

Please know the rules

His name is under his id. But yes, you are correct.

[earlywynnfan]

Thank you.

If it helps sway anyone else, I have dozens of people I've done deals with as a buyer, trader and seller that will readily vouch for me. I have 100% positive feedback on eBay, including from large live breaks and from selling hundreds of mystery baseball card re-packs. I honestly do my best to treat everyone in the hobby with respect. I have not stolen from anyone!

No dog in this fight, but if I may offer a suggestion just in case you ever buy from me, if it doesn't show, shoot me an email before opening a claim. I think it shows some respect to the seller.

I agree that this looks like an unfortunate situation all around. If you did happen to be a crook, I sure hope you'd aim a little higher than 73 bucks!!

[bnorth]

I purchased a Mel Ott 4-on-1 exhibit recently (Covid) and it got lost in USPS purgatory. I opened a did not receive case after 3 weeks. The Seller was really upset with the usps and went down to the post office the following Monday, I also went to my post office that day. Of course the post office couldn't do anything other than say it was somewhere between there and here. The seller and I had such a great exchange along the way, we talked about him going to Woodstock in '69 and how my girlfriends Family started "The Hog Farm". Hell, he even had a 70th birthday that week which we both laughed about. I told him to not worry about the card and that the power of positive thinking would make that card show up, and since he was on a fixed income, if it didn't show up he could just refund me what he would have made on the card. I enjoyed every bit of our conversations and would love to have spent a couple hours with him talking baseball over a wee dram.

A little over two weeks later the card arrived.

Sometimes these things have a way of working out...

Thanks for sharing that great story, always good to hear when it works out. I have had very similar delivery delays with several members including Leon. They all worked out in the end with some taking over 2 months to show up.

Hopefully it works out for these 2 gentlemen.

[Eric72]

I copied this from the thread on Blowout. I'm not saying the situation is precisely the same; however, I like the way this seller got the USPS involved in an effort to sort everything out.



OP, not sure if this will help in your case, but I had a situation where a fairly expensive ($105) item was "in transit" for a week or so with no updates to the tracking. The buyer sent me a nasty message and filed a claim (only time I heard from him throughout the process). I asked him to be patient, but no response. On the day he could escalate the ebay case, I went ahead and refunded him, and contacted my local postmaster. I had to wait several more days after that, but I filed an insurance claim for the $100 Priority Mail insurance.

A few days after I filed the insurance claim, the package was scanned delivered. I messaged the buyer and asked him to re-send the payment. Of course, he did not respond to my message. Now he had my item AND my money. I figured I was just SOL. A few days after that, I received a check in the mail from USPS for $112 for the $100 insurance, plus Medium Flat Rate Box postage.

After that, I got a follow up call from the postmaster, who had also been following the tracking, asking if the buyer paid me. I told him no, that USPS had paid the claim, and he told me that he was going to pursue charges on the buyer on his end. USPS takes stuff like that very seriously. I would contact your local postmaster and also file an insurance claim. After all, USPS either dropped the ball, or your buyer is dishonest. You are on the hook, but that doesn't mean that it is your fault!

[wondo]

I would defend myself and work to prove I never received it and also communicate with the seller. It’s all circumstantial evidence but then you’re offering money too quickly, and as an observer that looks like guilt.

I disagree

[BLongley]

I disagree

Sure thing... of course you can , we all have our own opinions.

[Oscar_Stanage]

[b]justinfarber10 has been unresponsive to all messages sent outside of his ebay case.

"You sent me two eBay messages, neither asked a question, proposed a solution or requested my response in any way." - Justin



I believe both parties are telling the truth. Justin has a positive reputation, his explanations are plausible, and he does not appear to have a profile of someone who rips you off for $73. And, Brewing acted reasonably by exhausting all options given the hand he was dealt. he had no choice but to take this public.

I will say this was entirely avoidable, the one thing I do not understand is Justin's non-responsiveness. I have bought hundreds of cards from Ebay in the last 3 months and at the first inkling of an issue, I hit the "contact seller" button and ask them about my items. On two occasions, an item ended up tracking to a random post office on the other side of the country, and on one occasion the item was 'delivered' to the wrong location (seller filed a report with USPS, and it was back on track in a day). All matters were handled via email. Bottom line is that communication cures all ills. So I am little confused as to why you would not respond when a seller contacts you twice. I did not see the actual messages, but I am not sure why there needs to be a question or a specific request. An item was lost, just tell the guy... he obviously cared enough to contact you.

[swarmee]

It's standard operating procedure for most Blowout guys to recommend "Open a case and don't escalate anything. Just let eBay handle it." Mainly because discussing an open missing item case or INAD case with the seller will normally end in further complications than just ignoring all messages.
The culture is different because they're used to dealing with more scammers, and the best way to do that is to follow eBay's procedures.

[Oscar_Stanage]

It's standard operating procedure for most Blowout guys to recommend "Open a case and don't escalate anything. Just let eBay handle it." Mainly because discussing an open missing item case or INAD case with the seller will normally end in further complications than just ignoring all messages.
The culture is different because they're used to dealing with more scammers, and the best way to do that is to follow eBay's procedures.

makes sense. thank you for the info. I definitely already believed Justin's explanation. This comment clarifies my earlier question.

[brewing]

Sorry for the delay in responding all. I had to create an account to respond.

Welcome to the board. If you're going to collect T206's and participate in message boards, this is the place.

I'm still flabbergasted that filing a claim was your first move (especially since you sell on ebay too). Then followed up with nothing outside of the case, knowing another collector just lost money. When I requested within the ebay case to contact your PO (the last people to have it), you followed up with requesting to close the case.

The lack of concern or effort to help bothered me way more than $73.

I'm sorry it came to having your name sullied to express empathy or concern for another collector losing money. I really don't like this situation.

Since you offered to pay, I propose a $73 donation to the Negro League Museum https://nlbm.com/donations/ and post evidence on both boards of the donation. Within 24 hours I in turn will delete both threads or request a moderator to delete (in case I don't the ability to delete).

I will edit title of thread now and after deletion I will make a follow up post on Missing T206 with images of the card for record in case the card reappears.

[Jim65]

Since you offered to pay, I propose a $73 donation to the Negro League Museum https://nlbm.com/donations/ and post evidence on both boards of the donation. Within 24 hours I in turn will delete both threads or request a moderator to delete (in case I don't the ability to delete).

Nice offer. I hope this follows through, it would be nice to see something good come out of this.

[Huysmans]

Nice offer. I hope this follows through, it would be nice to see something good come out of this.

What you should be doing is apologizing for your previous comment.
Have some integrity....
THAT'S what would be nice to see for an outcome of this thread...
The sanctimonious finger pointers admitting they were wrong.

[Huysmans]

Welcome to the board. If you're going to collect T206's and participate in message boards, this is the place.

I'm still flabbergasted that filing a claim was your first move (especially since you sell on ebay too). Then followed up with nothing outside of the case, knowing another collector just lost money. When I requested within the ebay case to contact your PO (the last people to have it), you followed up with requesting to close the case.

The lack of concern or effort to help bothered me way more than $73.

I'm sorry it came to having your name sullied to express empathy or concern for another collector losing money. I really don't like this situation.

Since you offered to pay, I propose a $73 donation to the Negro League Museum https://nlbm.com/donations/ and post evidence on both boards of the donation. Within 24 hours I in turn will delete both threads or request a moderator to delete (in case I don't the ability to delete).

I will edit title of thread now and after deletion I will make a follow up post on Missing T206 with images of the card for record in case the card reappears.

With all due respect Brent... He cleared his name and owes you nothing.

[Jim65]

What you should be doing is apologizing for your previous comment.
Have some integrity....
THAT'S what would be nice to see for an outcome of this thread...
The sanctimonious finger pointers admitting they were wrong.

I commented based on the evidence presented, I won't apologize for that.

[1952boyntoncollector]

I would defend myself and work to prove I never received it and also communicate with the seller. It’s all circumstantial evidence but then you’re offering money too quickly, and as an observer that looks like guilt.

not really, if you going to offer money anyway why drag it out and waste time..doesnt show any guilt to me, could be smart actually

[Huysmans]

I commented based on the evidence presented, I won't apologize for that.

Then you're an idiot with zero integrity.
You didn't have any "evidence", with even the OP saying everything was circumstantial.
You even commented before the accused defended themselves.

[Jim65]

Then you're an idiot with zero integrity.
You didn't have any "evidence", with even the OP saying everything was circumstantial.
You even commented before the accused defended themselves.

Someone coming and saying they aren't guilty is hardly clearing their name. You disagee? Thats fine.

[Huysmans]

Someone coming and saying they aren't guilty is hardly clearing their name. You disagee? Thats fine.

And someone just accusing another on here is anything but fact.
But somehow you agreed with that.

You did absolutely nothing to prove his guilt...
So there's no need for him to clear his name whatsoever to you or anyone else.

[nolemmings]

And someone just accusing another on here is anything but fact.
But somehow you agreed with that.

You did absolutely nothing to prove his guilt...
So there's no need for him to clear his name whatsoever to you or anyone else.

And you're over-reacting. Seller acted more than reasonably, and we encourage outing of scammers on this board. Buyer's "clearing" his name offers less than a gleaming report of his own behavior. Not saying he's not telling the truth but he was at least lazy or non-attentive.

Circumstantial evidence is evidence nonetheless--used in courtrooms all the time. I personally do find it odd that someone would add a card to his set registry before having it in hand, but maybe that's just me. It does show a certain zeal and enthusiasm for his collection. Then he doesn't get the card-- that can happen to anyone but how often does it happen? Then he's requested to remove it and claims he didn't pay close attention to the request because he apparently assumed it was an offer to buy a different card--doesn't even check to see what card is in question. All of this basically happening around the same time and as he chooses not to contact the seller but instead takes action with Ebay. Finally, he gets his money back, and yet after all this activity, he simply forgets to remove the card from the registry. Completely plausible, but far from blameless.

As for me, whether or not you think he has “cleared his name”, I would want nothing to do with this guy in a transaction.

[Huysmans]

And you're over-reacting. Seller acted more than reasonably, and we encourage outing of scammers on this board. Buyer's "clearing" his name offers less than a gleaming report of his own behavior. Not saying he's not telling the truth but he was at least lazy or non-attentive.

Circumstantial evidence is evidence nonetheless--used in courtrooms all the time. I personally do find it odd that someone would add a card to his set registry before having it in hand, but maybe that's just me. It does show a certain zeal and enthusiasm for his collection. Then he doesn't get the card-- that can happen to anyone but how often does it happen? Then he's requested to remove it and claims he didn't pay close attention to the request because he apparently assumed it was an offer to buy a different card--doesn't even check to see what card is in question. All of this basically happening around the same time and as he chooses not to contact the seller but instead takes action with Ebay. Finally, he gets his money back, and yet after all this activity, he simply forgets to remove the card from the registry. Completely plausible, but far from blameless.

As for me, whether or not you think he has “cleared his name”, I would want nothing to do with this guy in a transaction.

And you're wrong.
Others including Jim opened their mouths without knowing all the facts...
I called them out on their garbage....
But I'M the one that overreacted.... That's rich.
If you think flapping your gums and talking shit about anyone without proof is ok on here like Jim, then you're part of the problem as well.

[nolemmings]

I am wrong and part of the problem. Really? Does that make me an idiot with zero integrity, as you called out Jim? Nearly everyone in this thread, many very reputable and respected members of this forum, all took umbrage with what they perceived as wrongdoing. Are they all idiots with zero integrity? Or can they make it up to you with heartfelt apologies and sincere promises of repentance?

You seem to have a problem with critical thinking and understanding what comprises proof. Your “ proof” of buyer’s innocence is his singular statement of explanation, which as I said, is plausible but hardly casts a good light. The other facts are undisputed, and yes, they are facts. The conclusions to be drawn from those facts may vary among reasonable minds, but I am underwhelmed by buyer’s story and less than inclined to give it full credence. You, by contrast, seem enthralled. Good for you.

As I stated, this forum welcomes if not encourages the disclosure of fishy transactions and suspected scams or scammers. Seller here made reasonable efforts to make contact and resolve the situation outside the forum, and was right to call it to the board’s attention when no response was forthcoming. Personally I would not have used the word thief in the initial post, but the situation was laid out well and the conclusion of wrongdoing appeared reasonable. If the same situation happens again, I hope it is brought out here once more. If people’s reactions when that occurs are “part of the problem”, then so be it.

[Huysmans]

I am wrong and part of the problem. Really? Does that make me an idiot with zero integrity, as you called out Jim? Nearly everyone in this thread, many very reputable and respected members of this forum, all took umbrage with what they perceived as wrongdoing. Are they all idiots with zero integrity? Or can they make it up to you with heartfelt apologies and sincere promises of repentance?

You seem to have a problem with critical thinking and understanding what comprises proof. Your “ proof” of buyer’s innocence is his singular statement of explanation, which as I said, is plausible but hardly casts a good light. The other facts are undisputed, and yes, they are facts. The conclusions to be drawn from those facts may vary among reasonable minds, but I am underwhelmed by buyer’s story and less than inclined to give it full credence. You, by contrast, seem enthralled. Good for you.

As I stated, this forum welcomes if not encourages the disclosure of fishy transactions and suspected scams or scammers. Seller here made reasonable efforts to make contact and resolve the situation outside the forum, and was right to call it to the board’s attention when no response was forthcoming. Personally I would not have used the word thief in the initial post, but the situation was laid out well and the conclusion of wrongdoing appeared reasonable. If the same situation happens again, I hope it is brought out here once more. If people’s reactions when that occurs are “part of the problem”, then so be it.

You're completely missing the point and principal.
Whether the accused is guilty or not, that hasn't been PROVEN, correct?
So why talk shit?? Literally everything you said is irrelevant.
This shouldn't be hard to grasp, and your attempt at trying to rationalize this hypocritical finger pointing and accusing is pathetic.... "Everyone here is doing it blah blah blah".

And spare me the corny "critical thinking" rhetoric. Circumstantial evidence can only convict someone if there's no reasonable doubt, which is FAR from what has been reached here, hence, there is no actually proof whatsoever.
You yourself said the situation with the accused was "plausible".
You understand what that word means... right??

The world goes beyond this site and hobby Todd.
You apparently want to live in a world where people constantly shoot their mouths off about others without having all the facts.
I don't.

[farberjustin]

Welcome to the board. If you're going to collect T206's and participate in message boards, this is the place.
Thanks, I'll start browsing threads

I'm still flabbergasted that filing a claim was your first move (especially since you sell on ebay too). Then followed up with nothing outside of the case, knowing another collector just lost money. When I requested within the ebay case to contact your PO (the last people to have it), you followed up with requesting to close the case.
The lack of concern or effort to help bothered me way more than $73.
Again, we clearly have different communication styles. I opened a case in order to reach a resolution quickly. Buyers have done this to me as a seller as well, and I don't what other information I would need to solicit from them as a seller. Apologies again is this offended you.

I'm sorry it came to having your name sullied to express empathy or concern for another collector losing money. I really don't like this situation.
I really don't like it either and really don't appreciate the terribly negative assumptions you and others in this thread have made about me. I love this hobby and have made tons of friends in it. I'm not a perfect person or overly empathic, but definitely would have expressed empathy if it was a larger loss (>$100).

Since you offered to pay, I propose a $73 donation to the Negro League Museum https://nlbm.com/donations/ and post evidence on both boards of the donation. Within 24 hours I in turn will delete both threads or request a moderator to delete (in case I don't the ability to delete).
Done, thanks for picking an excellent organization.

I will make a follow up post on Missing T206 with images of the card for record in case the card reappears.
Please send me the link when you do. I would love if this card eventually turns up!

[Directly]

I recently purchased a Ty Cobb card "signature required" --when I went to pick-up, the card was already in my P.O Box--I didn't sign for it--could a buyer have claim it wasn't received although showed delivered or what if the card was put into the wrong P.O Box by error?---its very possible that's what happened in this scenario. (fortunately my purchase was delivered to my PO Box)

[luciobar1980]

This guy Justin is a piece of work. Already on my block list. F' him and his BS story. Another citizen in america that takes no responsibility, faces no consequences, and f's other people. He can f' himself.

Dude, you're the worst.

[swarmee]

I recently purchased a Ty Cobb card "signature required" --when I went to pick-up, the card was already in my P.O Box--I didn't sign for it--could a buyer have claim it wasn't received although showed delivered or what if the card was put into the wrong P.O Box by error?---its very possible that's what happened in this scenario. (fortunately my purchase was delivered to my PO Box)
This is happening all the time right now because the carriers aren't required to get signatures during coronavirus, depending on the region and/or carrier. So if it happens with USPS, you go to your local Postmaster and report it missing. They can check the GPS location of where it was supposedly "delivered." Otherwise, you start knocking on the doors of your neighbors and see if any of them got it on accidents/purpose and if they'll return it.

[nolemmings]

You're completely missing the point and principal.
Whether the accused is guilty or not, that hasn't been PROVEN, correct?
So why talk shit?? Literally everything you said is irrelevant.
This shouldn't be hard to grasp, and you're attempt at trying to rationalize this hypocritical finger pointing and accusing is pathetic.... "Everyone here is doing it blah blah blah".

And spare me the corny "critical thinking" rhetoric. Circumstantial evidence can only convict someone if there's no reasonable doubt, which is FAR from what has been reached here, hence, there is no actually proof whatsoever.
You yourself said the situation with the accused was "plausible".
You understand what that word means... right??

The world goes beyond this site and hobby Todd.
You apparently want to live in a world where people constantly shoot their mouths off about others without having all the facts.
I don't.

I am rationalizing nothing, just asking you to make clear that these other folks, and me too apparently, are idiots and without integrity. Shame on us all, right? At least have the balls to do that. C’mon, say it big man.

Also, stop reading the wikilaw or whatever learned treatise you consulted, Thurgood, and hone your grammar or at least learn what words like literally and hypocritical mean (I suspect the word relevant is beyond your grasp). You don’t need to prove conversion– the civil analog of theft or misappropriation-beyond a reasonable doubt. This isn’t a trial or a courtroom proceeding in any event. The people here, at least for the most part , are not as much interested in seeing a $73 dispute go to court as they are knowing who out there is likely to pose problems for them if they transact business. And as I said, I for one would not want to deal with a buyer whose conduct, even taking his words as true, is questionable. Others may choose differently, more power to them.

So what should seller do with regard to this forum if this happens again? How about he posts the possible scam but puts in a disclaimer saying, now guys, this is just informational only, let’s wait 2, 3-6 weeks to see if buyer responds, never mind that I just showed you how he did not respond to me on my prior attempts and laid out the transaction timeline. No negative opinions please, and by all means, just tell me you feel bad for me, don’t take it out on my wholly innocent ebay buyer.

Yeah, good luck with that. But since the world indeed moves beyond this hobby and net54, perhaps you would be better served enjoying what that world has to offer, and leave us idiots with no integrity to our own sinful devices here.

[Huysmans]

I am rationalizing nothing, just asking you to make clear that these other folks, and me too apparently, are idiots and without integrity. Shame on us all, right? At least have the balls to do that. C’mon, say it big man.

Also, stop reading the wikilaw or whatever learned treatise you consulted, Thurgood, and hone your grammar or at least learn what words like literally and hypocritical mean (I suspect the word relevant is beyond your grasp). You don’t need to prove conversion– the civil analog of theft or misappropriation-beyond a reasonable doubt. This isn’t a trial or a courtroom proceeding in any event. The people here, at least for the most part , are not as much interested in seeing a $73 dispute go to court as they are knowing who out there is likely to pose problems for them if they transact business. And as I said, I for one would not want to deal with a buyer whose conduct, even taking his words as true, is questionable. Others may choose differently, more power to them.

So what should seller do with regard to this forum if this happens again? How about he posts the possible scam but puts in a disclaimer saying, now guys, this is just informational only, let’s wait 2, 3-6 weeks to see if buyer responds, never mind that I just showed you how he did not respond to me on my prior attempts and laid out the transaction timeline. No negative opinions please, and by all means, just tell me you feel bad for me, don’t take it out on my wholly innocent ebay buyer.

Yeah, good luck with that. But since the world indeed moves beyond this hobby and net54, perhaps you would be better served enjoying what that world has to offer, and leave us idiots with no integrity to our own sinful devices here.

... Being too harsh as I don't know you personally, but disagree still with what you said, I will edit what I just wrote and posted, as I can admit when I've gone too far....

In saying that, I'll leave it with this....
Jim and others who disparaged the accused without knowing all the facts, and without at least hearing some response from the other party, I think were wrong in doing so.

[Casey2296]

I just donated $73.83 to the Negro League Museum, inspired by this thread.

Lets see how many other Net54 members can donate the same amount just to put a smile on the face of the Museum directors when they receive a bunch of $73.83 donations from random members.

Its a much better use of time instead of bickering like old married folks.

[farberjustin]

I just donated $73.83 to the Negro League Museum, inspired by this thread.

Lets see how many other Net54 members can donate the same amount just to put a smile on the face of the Museum directors when they receive a bunch of $73.83 donations from random members.

Its a much better use of time instead of bickering like old married folks.

Love it! I rounded mine up to $74 but wish I had done the .83 haha

[commishbob]

I’m in as well

418792

[Rhotchkiss]

Done. I just donated $73.84 to the museum. Great idea!! Let’s turn this shit-show of a thread into a good thing

See alternative thread on donating called member challenge

[Gorditadogg]

Here is mine.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200920/6c6cb6a2181f55114f84125fa229ce06.jpg

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