New Grading Company - CSG

[Leon]

I just received some news I am not going to make public yet but will say I cannot be more pleased with how the new grading company, by CSG, is going. I think there will be great things in the future from them.Most likely I will have my collection cracked out of their crappy, current TPG cases and into the new company ones. At least I will respect the grading which I don't do currently with at least 2 of the 3 top ones. A grading company that knows how to authenticate and not just be a lemming. And they will use science AND common sense. What a concept. My first cracks could be...

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[maniac_73]

If you are endorsing them Leon and putting those cards on the line that is Huge. Will be interesting to see this play out and I hope they are successful!

[Leon]

If you are endorsing them Leon and putting those cards on the line that is Huge. Will be interesting to see this play out and I hope they are successful!

Eventually I hope to have my whole collection in their holders. I am tired of seeing known mistakes (especially strip cards) be incorrectly labeled on purpose.

These are such stupid flips they make me angry every time I look at them. For the record, Ray Charles could see these aren't hand cut. NO W575s that aren't trimmed are hand cut.

[ullmandds]

I just received some news I am not going to make public yet but will say I cannot be more pleased with how the new grading company, by CSG, is going. I think there will be great things in the future from them.Most likely I will have my collection cracked out of their crappy, current TPG cases and into the new company ones. At least I will respect the grading which I don't do currently with at least 2 of the 3 top ones. A grading company that knows how to authenticate and not just be a lemming. And they will use science AND common sense. What a concept. My first cracks could be...

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So Leon...will you be paying for this service? Or will it be on the house?

[Leon]

So Leon...will you be paying for this service? Or will it be on the house?

First off that question is quite condescending but I will answer it anyway. I have always paid all fees for all of my grading at any company (as far as I can remember). I don't expect anything free BUT I guess if they offered a discount I would consider it. My guess is that other known collections have gotten discounts on large crack outs before, no?
I have never been given a favor of anything pertaining to grading nor would I want or accept one.

And Actually this incorrectly labeled group of cards will be the first crossed over if I decide to go that route. They are wrongly labeled so why not? ( And the pack they came in. )

and btw Pete, what say ye about this? I guess this is part of their new rules about grading....sort of CYA...

"3. Customer acknowledges and agrees that SGC’s owners and employees shall be permitted to submit items for grading and/or authentication without limitation. Furthermore, SGC’s owners and employees may buy, sell, and trade SGC authenticated or graded items without limitation."
Ref: https://gosgc.com/terms"

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[ullmandds]

First off that question is quite condescending but I will answer it anyway. I have always paid all fees for all of my grading at any company (as far as I can remember). I don't expect anything free BUT I guess if they offered a discount I would consider it. My guess is that other known collections have gotten discounts on large crack outs before, no?
I have never been given a favor of anything pertaining to grading nor would I want or accept one.

And Actually this incorrectly labeled group of cards will be the first crossed over if I decide to go that route. They are wrongly labeled so why not? ( And the pack they came in. )

and btw Pete, what say ye about this? I guess this is part of their new rules about grading....sort of CYA...

"3. Customer acknowledges and agrees that SGC’s owners and employees shall be permitted to submit items for grading and/or authentication without limitation. Furthermore, SGC’s owners and employees may buy, sell, and trade SGC authenticated or graded items without limitation."
Ref: https://gosgc.com/terms"

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Condescending? certainly wasn't intended to be? As the owner of one of the most prolific prewar sites on the WWW it certainly would benefit a new company to have an endorsement from you? Why not throw you a bone? This may be considered a very smart business move on their part?

[Leon]

Condescending? certainly wasn't intended to be? As the owner of one of the most prolific prewar sites on the WWW it certainly would benefit a new company to have an endorsement from you? Why not throw you a bone? This may be considered a very smart business move on their part?

My apology if my response was too harsh. But yes, I guess it would be good PR for them......I am not 100% my whole collection (kind of small collection but still...) will be crossed as of yet, but I will definitely submit the group of 20 erroneously labeled cards (some shown) as long as their fee and wait times are in line... AND the new company will have to grade them correctly or I won't do it, why would I?

[jchcollins]

So what will set the new company apart - more accuracy in authentication? Better turn times? Can reliably tell the difference between 70/30 centering and 90/10 centering?

Not to be skeptical but just legit curious as to what a new player with scale will do to fix some of the TPG ills we've long complained about on sites like these. Holders that do not allow cards to slosh around inside? :D

[Leon]

So what will set the new company apart - more accuracy in authentication? Better turn times? Can reliably tell the difference between 70/30 centering and 90/10 centering?

Not to be skeptical but just legit curious as to what a new player with scale will do to fix some of the TPG ills we've long complained about on sites like these. Holders that do not allow cards to slosh around inside? :D

Hi John

I think all of these things will be addressed and more. I don't know any specifics whatsoever except for a new hire of theirs. I am sure we will see more in the near future. They are a smart and well funded company. They have a great name in the hobbies they are currently in and I expect the same in ours.

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[jchcollins]

Hi John

I think all of these things will be addressed and more. I don't know any specifics whatsoever except for a new hire of theirs. I am sure we will see more in the near future. They are a smart and well funded company. They have a great name in the hobbies they are currently in and I expect the same in ours.

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Ah, that was my next question. Congrats! Sorry if I missed that earlier.

[Leon]

Ah, that was my next question. Congrats! Sorry if I missed that earlier.

No, it looks like I hadn't mentioned it. But their team of graders looks to be starting out with a bang. And isn't that the meat of a TPG's company?
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[Throttlesteer]

Just out of curiosity, the E90-1 Young in the PSA holder looks GREAT for a 7. I can see why you want to crack and submit with the new group. But why would you crack the SGC 5? Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing card........but the grade is probably on the generous side of accurate.

I totally understand if the point is putting up some of your favorite cards, regardless of their previous grades.

[jchcollins]

No, it looks like I hadn't mentioned it. But their team of graders looks to be starting out with a bang. And isn't that the meat of a TPG's company?
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So what's your new title? :)

[Jay Wolt]

No, it looks like I hadn't mentioned it. But their team of graders looks to be starting out with a bang. And isn't that the meat of a TPG's company?
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Leon who are the new graders?

[Leon]

Just out of curiosity, the E90-1 Young in the PSA holder looks GREAT for a 7. I can see why you want to crack and submit with the new group. But why would you crack the SGC 5? Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing card........but the grade is probably on the generous side of accurate.

I totally understand if the point is putting up some of your favorite cards, regardless of their previous grades.

Depending on how the new company looks and performs I will consider my whole collection. I guess the 7 Young is to make that point. As for the SGC 5 I could care less what the number grade is. I know what the card is and love it. It could be a 4 and it would be fine. I tend to pay more for cards I find aesthetically appealing irrespective of their technical grades. I just don't have a ton of respect for the current TPGs with all that has been seen and is going on.

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[luciobar1980]

Not a big fan of the labels, I must say. A label IMO should be as subtle as possible. Those.. are not.

[Exhibitman]

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/ccg-to-start-sports-card-authentication-and-grading-division

This was in the news about 2 months ago. It is a division of CCG, which is the big rival to CU.

I hope they do a good job, with good holders and smart people working there. Maybe even people who review research materials and have the stones to grade oh, I dunno, football and boxing Exhibit cards, maybe even Fro-Joy cards. Or, echoing Leon's post, can tell the difference between a hand cut strip card and a factory cut insert card.

[Frank A]

Their label is pretty aggressive. Not sure it won.t take away from the card.

[Exhibitman]

I like it a lot...I can read it.

[Jobu]

I believe that somewhere they said the label would be updated before launch.

[packs]

No opinion on any one company but the only reason I have my cards graded is to maximize sale price. Any new company will need to prove the purchasing power of their product. This is a good time to do it though. Sales are up.

[Throttlesteer]

Is it me, or does the logo look like a copy of SGC?

[Tyruscobb]

I just received some news I am not going to make public yet but will say I cannot be more pleased with how the new grading company, by CSG, is going. I think there will be great things in the future from them.Most likely I will have my collection cracked out of their crappy, current TPG cases and into the new company ones. At least I will respect the grading which I don't do currently with at least 2 of the 3 top ones. A grading company that knows how to authenticate and not just be a lemming. And they will use science AND common sense. What a concept. My first cracks could be...

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Nice cards, Leon. Be careful. The grass is not always greener. It is possible that CSG could find evidence that those cards were altered, and slap them with an A tag. You could be slitting your own throat...

[Leon]

Nice cards, Leon. Be careful. The grass is not always greener. It is possible that CSG could find evidence that those cards were altered, and slap them with an A tag. You could be slitting your own throat...

I am confident they are fine.

And for everyone posting in this thread, remember the rule at the top of every page please, concerning names. thanks

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[HRBAKER]

You mean you wouldn't want to know if you had altered cards in numbered holders?

[maniac_73]

Nice cards, Leon. Be careful. The grass is not always greener. It is possible that CSG could find evidence that those cards were altered, and slap them with an A tag. You could be slitting your own throat...

I'm pretty sure Leon would be able to identify if his cards are altered better than any grader lol

[Leon]

I'm pretty sure Leon would be able to identify if his cards are altered better than any grader lol

Thanks, I am ok but nowhere near the best graders. Not in the same ballpark.
I know a little about a lot of type cards :).

**And to answer a few other questions.

I don't want to be the one to say who the new hire is but I am supportive. It will be out soon I am sure.

I have no intention of going to work there. They seem like a good company from what I read.

And yes, I always want to know if my cards are altered.

Was that all?

[glynparson]

I'm pretty sure Leon would be able to identify if his cards are altered better than any grader lol

I like Leon but this made me laugh out loud.

[jchcollins]

I actually like the flip design, but the pics of the slabs I have seen do not appear to have recessed corners. Assume this is something that will be corrected before go-live?

[sportscardpete]

There is a massive moat built by the current TPG, whether we like to admit that or not. It will take a lot of patience for a new entrant to work. Hopefully they have the pockets to build the business.

[xplainer]

Well, lets see what they bring to the table.
I am a SGC person myself.
However, I am certainly open to a new company.
Obviously, they will have something new and different to offer.

[bn2cardz]

There is a massive moat built by the current TPG, whether we like to admit that or not. It will take a lot of patience for a new entrant to work. Hopefully they have the pockets to build the business.

I am sure they will be fine. They are a part of the CGC company which is huge in other hobbies. With a built in reputation their growth would be faster than a start-up from scratch.

CGC grades comics,
but has the following:
NGC - Coins
PMG - Paper money
ASG - Stamps

The only issue that I can think of is that they also have CCS which is a comic book restoration company. Some may believe that if they are willing to clean up comics then grade them they could be willing to do the same for sports cards. I would hope they would know the hobby enough to understand that isn't accepted in this hobby, but it could be hard for others to trust a company that does it in another hobby.

[Stampsfan]

Question for Leon. Their promotional video flagged on the other thread says they are only grading Pokémon and Magic cards, yet you’re sending in your vintage.
Are they currently grading vintage and other cards?

[Rich Klein]

I'm going to say based on this comment by Leon they have hired at least one sports person (if not more)

"I don't want to be the one to say who the new hire is but I am supportive. It will be out soon I am sure."

Regards
Rich

[BRoberts]

These are such stupid flips they make me angry every time I look at them. For the record, Ray Charles could see these aren't hand cut. NO W575s that aren't trimmed are hand cut.

Why not just remove the cards from the holders?

[perezfan]

Why not just remove the cards from the holders?

Exactly. No 3rd Party validation is needed. Unless you plan to sell them (still not needed, but for the Sheeple)

[HRBAKER]

Thanks, I am ok but nowhere near the best graders. Not in the same ballpark.
I know a little about a lot of type cards :).

**And to answer a few other questions.

I don't want to be the one to say who the new hire is but I am supportive. It will be out soon I am sure.

I have no intention of going to work there. They seem like a good company from what I read.

And yes, I always want to know if my cards are altered.

Was that all?

I assumed you would. My question was directed @ those who offered caution, it infers they would not.

Jeff

[sportscardpete]

I'm going to say based on this comment by Leon they have hired at least one sports person (if not more)

"I don't want to be the one to say who the new hire is but I am supportive. It will be out soon I am sure."

Regards
Rich

They will need to hire a bunch. It is going to have to be a positive feedback loop - you need capacity to grade, which will put more of their cards out on the market, which is free advertising, which will make them money, for them to hire more folks to grade even more cards.

If you are going to make yourself a player in the market you have to have huge investment into this business. You can’t really start with a few or some marquee graders and expect them to lead the way. That’s why I’m really hesitant about new grading companies, UNLESS they are more technologically advanced (remains to be seen).

[Gobucsmagic74]

Those flips are uglier than sin. Just my opinion -Dan Hicks

[mrvster]

I will own one someday.....:)

general grading,

specializing in vintage freaks ;)

I already have cherry picked a team:D

[bn2cardz]

Question for Leon. Their promotional video flagged on the other thread says they are only grading Pokémon and Magic cards, yet you’re sending in your vintage.
Are they currently grading vintage and other cards?

That video is for their CGC grading that was doing comics but will now include TCG.

CSG is going to be their spin off that will grade sports cards:
https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/8401/ccg-hiring-sports-card-experts/

[bswhiten]

Since I like to have my slabs in binders with 4 pocket pages, the slab size alone kills it for me. Why so tall?
Hopefully the design gets more thought. The PSA and SGC proportions and labels are much better imo.

[whitehse]

And people complained about the new SGC flips.... Not a fan of this one to be sure.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Their gaming card flips turned out OK, and don't seem to be crazily over-sized.

[Tyruscobb]

Although competition generally benefits consumers (e.g. lower prices, better service, etc.), I’m skeptical that any new third-party grader will help solve the hobby’s biggest problem - altered cards receiving numerical grades and over-grading.

The reason is the vintage fee structure. Most TPGs do not have a flat fee. Instead, the fee varies depending on the card’s value. This creates a subconscious financial incentive (and, unfortunately, probably a conscious one for some TPGs) to over-grade. Over-grading increases the card’s price, which, in turn, increases the fee. An increased fee increases the company’s profitability, which, in turn, may increase the grader’s pay. The current vintage fee structure has too many interest conflicts that have created the current problems.

Removing the financial incentive to over-grading is what needs to happen to fix the problem. TPGs should charge a flat fee to grade a 1956 Mantle. The fee should not vary depending on whether the card comes back a Poor 1 or gem 10. So, unless any new grader uses a flat vintage fee, the problem will continue.

A new TPG will make the existing TPGs improve their services and fees, as well as reduce turnaround times. However, any new TPG that uses the same vintage fee is equivalent to putting a bandage on a bullet wound - it will not cure the underlying problem. It may temporarily improve the situation, but eventually even a new TPG’s actual graders will fall victim to the above-referenced dilemma - increasing the company’s bottom line.

I’ll pump the brakes on my excitement until I see the vintage fee schedule for any new TPG. * This post does not mention any specific TPGs, and presents general issues. *

[bnorth]

I will own one someday.....:)

general grading,

specializing in vintage freaks ;)

I already have cherry picked a team:D

When you do I would like to get one of your early test slabs to add to my oddball slab collection.

Would also like to get one of the very early slabs from this new company when they start grading baseball cards. One of their test slabs would be amazing.:D

[UKCardGuy]

Good news. As CSG have offices in London, I'm hoping that they'll offer grading locally.

The hassle with shipping to the US and worrying about customs charges is too much for overseas collectors.

[Fred]

Those flips are uglier than sin. Just my opinion -Dan Hicks

After seeing that sample, I agree.

Apparently they're not into test marketing. If they get off the ground, all you can do is hope they don't quickly realize the packaging (flips) are not what consumers would like and then change them.

Not sure how a company that is into grading is going to crack the code and survive in this PSA dominated market. They could get a foot hold in pre-war but the $$/volume seems to be in newer cards.

I remember when GAI started out, they seemed good, then all the altered cards started getting slabbed.

Best of luck to a new TPG venture because the hobby needs something it can trust.

[perezfan]

After seeing that sample, I agree.

Apparently they're not into test marketing. If they get off the ground, all you can do is hope they don't quickly realize the packaging (flips) are not what consumers would like and then change them.

Not sure how a company that is into grading is going to crack the code and survive in this PSA dominated market. They could get a foot hold in pre-war but the $$/volume seems to be in newer cards.

I remember when GAI started out, they seemed good, then all the altered cards started getting slabbed.

Best of luck to a new TPG venture because the hobby needs something it can trust.

Regarding the part in bold.... It will be difficult, but is much needed for the integrity of the hobby. All three of the current TPGs are corrupt in their own ways.

If the FBI ever decides to come down on PSA for the thousands of "mistakes" they've made, the window of opportunity could open up a bit more for this new venture. Hopefully that will be the case, although they will still need to tone down that garish flip. :eek:

[T205 GB]

This is awesome news! What an original concept.

[brewing]

I'm confident the service will be top notch.

I'm looking forward to what the actual case and flip will look like.

The jumbo slab and jumbo grade are big detractors.

[Bigdaddy]

Seems like the flip is a non-trivial part of the encapsulation. Given that, it might be a good idea if CSG (or any of the other TPGs) would host a design contest for flips. You announce a contest with a $$ prize for the winner and make the statement that all submissions become the property of the company. You could have a public vote or whittle down the submissions in-house. There are lots of very, very talented graphic artists out there and I'm sure that any number of them could do a better job than what I've seen from any of the TPGs.

Just a thought.

[Rich Klein]

I'm going to say based on this comment by Leon they have hired at least one sports person (if not more)

"I don't want to be the one to say who the new hire is but I am supportive. It will be out soon I am sure."

Regards
Rich

I just heard from the new hire Leon mentioned and I agree, perhaps for the first time (Hi Leon! that's a joke son), about his opinion on the new hire.

Rich

[t_vguy]

Being on a budget I am naturally curious about the cost. I imagine you probably can't give details on that.

I prefer the look of SGC slabs due to the blackout and how it makes cards looks (color theory is a beautiful thing after all!) I really feel there should be a lot more good grading companies though and considering the wait times we've seen especially with PSA, it certainly warrants it now more than ever since the hobby is growing at such a fast rate. I'll be honest, their labels bother me but if they're accurate and at a price point which competes with SGC (I can dream they'd be lower) I'm all about it!

Thank you for sharing your experience.
---John

[Lorewalker]

Isn't the parent co, CCG, the folks who owned or ran SGC at one point? Could have sworn their scale logo was associated with SGC's site and holders. If so then this one could be promising. Keeping my fingers crossed for a solid grading staff.

[Rich Klein]

BTW -- the hire Leon and myself referred to during this thread is now official. From Sports Collectors Daily Today Notes:

"Andy Broome, the senior vintage card grader at Beckett since 2004, has left for a similar role at Certified Sports Guaranty, which has been adding staff in recent months in preparation for its upcoming launch."

Regards
Rich

[jburl]

BTW -- the hire Leon and myself referred to during this thread is now official. From Sports Collectors Daily Today Notes:



"Andy Broome, the senior vintage card grader at Beckett since 2004, has left for a similar role at Certified Sports Guaranty, which has been adding staff in recent months in preparation for its upcoming launch."



Regards

RichGood news, for sure.

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[dmats33312]

I think storing an image of the graded card and the grader notes will be huge. The image helps ease any slab popping/swapping and the notes helps with transparency. I've collected CGC comics and always appreciated having grader notes as to why the comics received the grade it did vs cards just seeing a grade with at most for BGS seeing a four criteria break down on modern. Also, for the comics they charge for grader's notes where here it looks like they will be free and public which also will help with web-based sales with not getting stuck with some undisclosed/seen flaw.

[whitehse]

Delete....nevermind.

[Picklepete]

I have about 700 slabbed PSA - PSA/DNA & BGS - BAS CARDS.
I was set up at early Dec. show / Tampa, & they had table at entrance to get peeps info. on them.
At least 50% of people told them they didn't like slab & label design..
Oh..oh..its being changed !

No.. it hasn't.
THAT tells me plenty.

[Exhibitman]

Made my first submission today; we will see...

[Orioles1954]

I have about 700 slabbed PSA - PSA/DNA & BGS - BAS CARDS.
I was set up at early Dec. show / Tampa, & they had table at entrance to get peeps info. on them.
At least 50% of people told them they didn't like slab & label design..
Oh..oh..its being changed !

No.. it hasn't.
THAT tells me plenty.

I clicked the link and yeah...not good.

[frankbmd]

All cards in slabs look like SGC slabs if you have a black table. ;):eek::D

[JackR]

CSG, SGC... only a typo away!

[Pre War Starter]

I love how the two “EXPERTS” they hired to manage the vintage and modern, in the promo video, Broome wasn’t wearing gloves, getting oil and grease on the borders, and Weston was handling a “chrome” card and had his thumb planted right on the face, leaving his thumb print on it.

I know Leon gave his approval to Broome, but IMO, an “expert grader” doesn’t touch a vintage cards without gloves.

[Frank A]

We are just a tiny percent of the people who have cards graded. It will take many years before a grading company can compete with the established group. I wish them good luck in the long haul.

[LACardsGuy]

Any way to never wait for 4 months after paying through the nose with PSA will be welcome.

[Leon]

We are just a tiny percent of the people who have cards graded. It will take many years before a grading company can compete with the established group. I wish them good luck in the long haul.

I disagree completely. IF the new group does a good job they will take a lot of market share from the current opinionators.....who have NO guarantees whatsoever. (except to give your grading fees back when they are incompetent)

[Jcosta19]

I only see standard sized cards pictured on their website.
Does anyone know if the same size holder is used for t206 and similar sized cards or if they have multiple sizes?

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[rjackson44]

Im going to give them a try love this

[Tabe]

I clicked the link and yeah...not good.

I went to their site and ... yeah. The slabs look like the slabs you see on Ebay from somebody grading in their basement. Not good.

[3-2-count]

I went to their site and ... yeah. The slabs look like the slabs you see on Ebay from somebody grading in their basement. Not good.

I wonder if the many complaining about the look of CSG's slab would be doing so if they were around before PSA and SGC. In my opinion so many have just grown accustom to what they're used to.

We continue to see the countless threads complaining about PSA and SGC's rising cost of grading fee's, long wait times increasing more by the day and a plethora of tampered cards getting into their slabs yet we bitch about a new comers slab.

I swear some of the things I hear collectors complain about absolutely blows my mind. I truly hope that CSG takes the market by storm and puts huge amounts of pressure on the others to improve their business or potentially lose it. We all deserve better than what we're currently getting. A slab design should be low on the list of expectations from third party authentication if even mentioned at all.

My two cents! Carry on...............

[tab]

Need a grading company that sticks to vintage. Leave all that new shiny stuff and Pokémon cards for others. A company needs to be able to service their customers in a timely manner. The current waiting time for PSA is ridiculous!

[hcv123]

Competency SHOULD matter
Resale value matters (to many)
looks matter
cost/wait times matter


I am hopeful with Nat Turner and Steve Cohen taking over PSA that we will see some desperately needed change happen there.
I agree the CSG holder looks horrible (and it matters). For those who choose to give them a shot, keeping an open mind to see how they do in the other areas.

[Jcosta19]

I wish they graded oversized cards..
I had 4 cards I've been holding off on submitting due to wait times but 2 are t201 and a 36 goudey premium

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[yanksfan09]

I wish they graded oversized cards..
I had 4 cards I've been holding off on submitting due to wait times but 2 are t201 and a 36 goudey premium

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I'd say that is something they'll need to address quickly if they want to compete in the vintage arena. So many tallboy slabs in my, and many others collections. Postcards, Exhibits, T201, T202, T3, Goudey Premiums, R312, R315 etc.... countless pre war issues are "oversized" by todays standards. There weren't any standard sizes back then. Can't ignore and not slab a very large percentage of pre war card issues and expect to be relevant with those collectors. I understand they're new to the game and very well may be working on multiple bigger sized holders right now? We shall see. I'm not rendering any judgements and hope they do well and hope the extra competition can up all companies standards.

[chadeast]

I am totally ready for a new grading company, but... I must agree that looks do matter, and the label is just way too busy for my tastes. Imagine a faded Old Judge in that holder. The label would dominate it. IMO, it seems designed for modern flashy cards.

If they had a more simplified 'single grade' option with a label maybe 30% shorter in height, I'd start using them to slab my cards tomorrow. I do really like their legible font (take note, SGC). My hope is that, as a new company, they might be able to offer something like that in the future. They can call them 'vintage' or 'classic' holders. :)

[Tyruscobb]

A slab design should be low on the list of expectations from third party authentication if even mentioned at all.

Presentation matters. There is an entire industry that focuses on it. Take your favorite family photograph and place it into a cheap frame. Now, take the same photograph to a professional framer and I guarantee the new frame will magnify the photograph’s effect and presentation.

Just like your family photograph, you are more concerned with the card than its slab/frame. However, a nice slab/frame significantly adds to the overall presentation and effect.

I agree that there are more important factors, but presentation, especially for cards that I collect for my PC and plan on looking at until I die, is very important.

This post is not expressing an opinion concerning whether this new company’s slabs, or any other TPG’s slabs for that matter, are or are not aesthetically pleasing.

[Casey2296]

Aesthetics are important to pre war collectors. I realize we're not the most important demo to grading companies but having an option for a black apron and a subtle label would have grabbed a lot of market share from that demo.

[perezfan]

+3 (to the three posts directly above). These posts all echo my sentiments exactly.

I am sooooo ready to give them a try, but am having trouble getting past that gigantic flip/slab. Especially with regard to my Tobacco and Caramel Cards.

It's the presentation of the actual card that matters.... not the number. Now that they are an advertiser here, I really hope someone from CSG is reading (and subsequently addressing) this!

[Exhibitman]

Aesthetic preferences are like buttholes: everyone has one. I actually like the holder and flip. And let's be honest here: far more collectors care about the flip than the card inside anyway. Perhaps not in this fine group but certainly among the general body of collectors. Once these cards reach the market and start selling all will be forgiven.

[Leon]

I can pretty much assure everyone that CSG reads this forum. Keep the comments coming. I am neutral on the flip as I buy cards. That said, I agree the SGC black inserts really make our cards pop. I will probably never use them again, as I don't like their management ways or recent capabilities, but they do have nice slabs.

[mq711]

Can’t imagine they will get a hugh market share of vintage cards but should have enough interest from modern collectors, investors and flippers who have a who is hot now mentality. Since a lot of the modern cards are busy and loud they will display much better in those slabs than a T206 or Cracker Jack.

I’m still shocked they don’t include a measured centering option to the flip and add a Perfect 10 grade to their scale. Since most modern cards are mint, one with all around 50/50 centering would receive a gold flip and then let the chase begin.

[Oscar_Stanage]

I cannot get on board with that slab.
I will buy the card if the price is right, but will have to crack it and send elsewhere for presentation in my collection. I won't send cards in.
but if they get rave reviews from people on this site, I will re-consider.

[jchcollins]

I will have to get one of these slabs once they start showing up on eBay just out of pure curiosity. I don't love the look of the flip on first impression, but I don't hate it either.

[RayBShotz]

Aesthetic preferences are like buttholes: everyone has one. I actually like the holder and flip. And let's be honest here: far more collectors care about the flip than the card inside anyway. Perhaps not in this fine group but certainly among the general body of collectors. Once these cards reach the market and start selling all will be forgiven.

Adam - I think I like the holder and flip as well.
I'd really like to see them do everything right and honor all sportscard collectors.

Really anxious to see what type of results Leon gets with his vintage submission.
I think turn around time is a very big deal in today's TPG market. The delays have been intolerable for too long and collectors should root for a new player in this space.
I honestly hope it happens for CSG.
RayB

[chadeast]

I spent a bit of time playing around with Paint to create a few concepts, please excuse my very limited skills. This is meant only as something to stimulate conversation, and hopefully is taken as such. I am absolutely rooting for the success of CSG. If they are unhappy with my brainstorming using their images, I will remove them.

In my ideal world, the label would be black and white only, but my Paint skills only take me so far. :)

EDIT to add original below

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50956407323_5c63642d4a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCQUAX)https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50956407173_91ef994e2f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCQUyn)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50957151511_6de0f4f1b4_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCUHPM)

[robw1959]

I love how the two “EXPERTS” they hired to manage the vintage and modern, in the promo video, Broome wasn’t wearing gloves, getting oil and grease on the borders, and Weston was handling a “chrome” card and had his thumb planted right on the face, leaving his thumb print on it.

I know Leon gave his approval to Broome, but IMO, an “expert grader” doesn’t touch a vintage cards without gloves.

I don't think this is true, as I have seen in print from either PSA or SGC a grading note that tells us as customers that graders need to feel the surface of the card stock to determine key grading factors such as authenticity.

[perezfan]

I spent a bit of time playing around with Paint to create a few concepts, please excuse my very limited skills. This is meant only as something to stimulate conversation, and hopefully is taken as such. I am absolutely rooting for the success of CSG. If they are unhappy with my brainstorming using their images, I will remove them.

In my ideal world, the label would be black and white only, but my Paint skills only take me so far. :)

EDIT to add original below

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50956407323_5c63642d4a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCQUAX)https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50956407173_91ef994e2f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCQUyn)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50957151511_6de0f4f1b4_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCUHPM)

The smaller flip definitely looks better!

Can you photoshop what a small T206 or Caramel card would look like encased in their current "mega slab"?

[Casey2296]

The smaller flip definitely looks better!

Can you photoshop what a small T206 or Caramel card would look like encased in their current "mega slab"?

Better yet, can you compare the size of a T206 to the size of the current label?

[chadeast]

The smaller flip definitely looks better!

Can you photoshop what a small T206 or Caramel card would look like encased in their current "mega slab"?

That's where I was headed, I was actually thinking of a M101-4 in my mind. RL got in the way but after I finish work I may give it a go. I can't stress enough how much of a novice I am at this, what you see is just painting white, putting in a black box, and cut and paste. If I can successfully put a low grade non-color pre-war card into the image, I think it will really highlight the issue.

[Tabe]

I wonder if the many complaining about the look of CSG's slab would be doing so if they were around before PSA and SGC. In my opinion so many have just grown accustom to what they're used to.
I don't follow the logic here. They're not first. They don't get the benefit of the doubt that comes from being first. They should be improving on what's already available not coming up with "well, it wouldn't be that bad if nobody else had done it before".

[chadeast]

Here is my attempt at showing what my WaJo M101-4 would look like in a CSG holder. Again, apologies for my low grade MS Paint skills, all scaling was done by hand. A T206 would obviously be smaller still.

EDIT: added a third with clear/white background

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50957616317_ed85fa53ca_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCX6ZF)https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50956901958_ee0896baa3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCTrD9)https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50957709762_234b9a3936_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCXzLN)

[perezfan]

The second one looks far better to me. Better ratio of card to slab.

I hope also, that they will have slabs that can properly accommodate the size of these smaller cards, without the use of a hideous wrinkled up baggie (PSA style). That is an immediate deal killer for me. I actually display most of my cards, so a clean refined look is far superior to PSA's haphazard tilting cards with baggies.

Thanks for doing the photoshop!

[irishdenny]

I tend to pay more for cards I find aesthetically appealing irrespective of their technical grades.

This is Pre War Theology...
*You have to be in the Big Boys Club to know this! ;)

[chadeast]

The second one looks far better to me. Better ratio of card to slab.

I hope also, that they will have slabs that can properly accommodate the size of these smaller cards, without the use of a hideous wrinkled up baggie (PSA style). That is an immediate deal killer for me. I actually display most of my cards, so a clean refined look is far superior to PSA's haphazard tilting cards with baggies.

Thanks for doing the photoshop!

You're welcome. I display my cards too. The holders matter to me, very much. And yes, I have a current preference :)

EDIT: Note that any slab even an 1/8" taller than an SGC slab will not fit in my display case.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50956934283_b31e59d36d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCTBft)

[JollyElm]

You can absolutely root for the success of this new company while also being annoyed by the look and size of the slab.

It's like McDonald's packing their delicious Big Macs in pointed metal cases that look like sea urchins.

[bnorth]

I will have to get one of these slabs once they start showing up on eBay just out of pure curiosity. I don't love the look of the flip on first impression, but I don't hate it either.

I would also like to get one when they show up. Want to find a very low serial # to add the slab to my slab collection.

[Tyruscobb]

I’m rooting for any new TPG’s success. Hopefully, a new player will reduce all the other TPG’s wait times, as well as force them to improve their services. Competition is great for us consumers. We can only win.

[perezfan]

You're welcome. I display my cards too. The holders matter to me, very much. And yes, I have a current preference :)

EDIT: Note that any slab even an 1/8" taller than an SGC slab will not fit in my display case.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50956934283_b31e59d36d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCTBft)

Beautiful display.

That's exactly what I meant to convey about clean aesthetics and a slab that emphasizes the card above the slab. Awesome Goudeys and classy looking display!

[chadeast]

Beautiful display.

That's exactly what I meant to convey about clean aesthetics and a slab that emphasizes the card above the slab. Awesome Goudeys and classy looking display!

You're welcome again! OK, I had to put in a little more time for you Tobacco types, but I'm glad I did because the third image below is my favorite. It's similar to SGC but better, IMHO. I like how the black background not only does its wonders for the card, but makes the label really pop. If we could get rid of the green and go B&W on the label, I'd be even happier, but that is probably a bridge too far. Companies tend to get very particular about branding. Very generous grading on this Coupon! Feedback welcome.

EDIT: Scale should now be accurate.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50957807858_de89db226c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCY5W7)https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50958529281_ed63648794_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kD2Mor)https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50957862888_b2422834c9_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kCYnhU)

[Casey2296]

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[Casey2296]

You're welcome again! OK, I had to put in a little more time for you Tobacco types, but I'm glad I did because the third image below is my favorite. It's similar to SGC but better, IMHO. I like how the black background not only does its wonders for the card, but makes the label really pop. Very generous grading on this Coupon! Feedback welcome.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50958372307_d3c83d7dd3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kD1YHZ)https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50958265281_f78e0b8cbc_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kD1qUH)https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50958388432_787ff322ea_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kD24w1)

Chad,
Can you rotate the Johnson image and compare it to the size of the label?

[chadeast]

Chad,
Can you rotate the Johnson image and compare it to the size of the label?

To be honest, I'm not confident enough in the scaling to make that comparison. It was done by hand and is not exact by any means. This is just meant to give an idea of what it could look like. I think that it's fair to say that the label and a T206 would be pretty close in overall surface area.

EDIT: OK, when I figured out that the flip is almost exactly the width of the 1957 Topps, or 2.5 inches, I created a better scale. The T213 in images above is undersized. It should be a little larger. I'll try to fix those. This image should be accurate.

EDIT2: The original images in my post above with the T213 WaJo have been corrected. The card was a bit too small in all holders, but esp. the current CSG holder (as can be seen in Phil's reply). The scale should be very close to true now.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50958490761_e5a542754f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kD2zWi)

[Pre War Starter]

Curious to other PreWar guys.
Do we REALLY need the qualifiers?

[Frank A]

Curious to other PreWar guys.
Do we REALLY need the qualifiers?
I have never seen the need for Qualifiers on any card. The final grade is what it is. I couldn't care less about edge numbers, corner numbers or anything else.

[Casey2296]

Curious to other PreWar guys.
Do we REALLY need the qualifiers?
The only qualifiers I would need are trimmed, colored, or altered.

[steve B]

Looking at that, I'm thinking that for T cards a holder that had the label on the side would be pretty nice. It could probably be made so it would easily fit existing storage boxes.

Sort of like this
https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=123&pictureid=29867

To be honest, I'm not confident enough in the scaling to make that comparison. It was done by hand and is not exact by any means. This is just meant to give an idea of what it could look like. I think that it's fair to say that the label and a T206 would be pretty close in overall surface area.

EDIT: OK, when I figured out that the flip is almost exactly the width of the 1957 Topps, or 2.5 inches, I created a better scale. The T213 in images above is undersized. It should be a little larger. I'll try to fix those. This image should be accurate.

EDIT2: The original images in my post above with the T213 WaJo have been corrected. The card was a bit too small in all holders, but esp. the current CSG holder (as can be seen in Phil's reply). The scale should be very close to true now.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50958490761_e5a542754f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kD2zWi)

[Jcosta19]

Looking at that, I'm thinking that for T cards a holder that had the label on the side would be pretty nice. It could probably be made so it would easily fit existing storage boxes.



Sort of like this

https://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=123&pictureid=29867I was thinking the exact same thing.

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[RayBShotz]

So Leon, what is your interpretation of how CSG will actually slab a T206 card for instance?
Custom fit slab, slabbed with a baggie, slabbed with a gasketed insert?
Sounds like you might have had more correspondence than most of us.
Curiously interested now.

By the way, I like the shorter slab interpretation without the insert, but not the square one.
Question I would still have is how will they center or stabilize the card in the center of the holder?
RayB

[chadeast]

I like the creativity, but I was trying to present something that would be feasible for CSG. Even one different holder size is going to be a big challenge, due to the hit to logistics and economy of scale. Different size, so different transport requirements, storage requirements, different ultrasonic welder horn, lower overall quantities of each holder type making each one more expensive, etc. are all going to push hard against making any alternate sized holder.

I am guessing that having a super specific holder for only certain issues of cards is going to be an absolute non-starter economically. With that in mind, my hope was to present an alternate holder design that would better conform to the aesthetic needs of many, while still being able to hold any standard size or smaller card. I realize that a change of this magnitude is unlikely, and this may all be a non-starter, but I was hoping that it might stimulate enough feedback from the community to at least get CSG to take notice.

And the proposed square holder may meet a need for denser storage, but it doesn't help the aesthetic situation, IMHO.

[perezfan]

I have never seen the need for Qualifiers on any card. The final grade is what it is. I couldn't care less about edge numbers, corner numbers or anything else.

The qualifiers are an option, for which the submitter will pay a nominal fee. For vintage, I agree there is no need. If/when I submit, I will not request the qualifiers. But I believe many of the modern card collectors may opt for it.

I hope CSG is indeed reading this and can respond to some of the Forum's basic concerns. As the "new kid on the block", you'd think/hope they would be extra-responsive to consumer inquiries. If people get the sense that GSC cares (and is responsive), it would give them an immediate leg up on their current competition.

I agree that the smaller square slab for Tobacco/Caramel cards may not be feasible or cost effective. But hopefully (especially as a new advertiser here) they can at least provide a response to concerns over the flip size and color, as it pertains to smaller-sized cards that are 100+ years old.

There is just no way that the flip size should be comparable to the cards themselves!

[buymycards]

I have been using SGC because I like the look of their slabs. I have about a dozen cards on my wall that were graded by PSA or Beckett, and a dozen or so raw cards. I had planned on sending them to SGC, but with the current mess at SGC I will hold off.

I agree with many of the other posters about the CSG slabs. They aren't very attractive and they haven't explained about their plans to keep the smaller cards from sliding around.


(The photo is actually a vertical wall.:) )

[frankbmd]

...........


(The photo is actually a vertical wall, after the earthquake:) )


........ known as the great "Boscobellringer"

[buymycards]

........ known as the great "Boscobellringer"

In Wisconsin, we keep our cards on a horizontal wall so they don't fall off during natural disasters.

[tab]

My first thought was that the flip looked a little large but that has me comparing to PSA and SGC.

I also remember when I first saw graded cards I thought they were just encased for protection and authenticated as real. I liked that idea at the time better than a number grade. Pre war cards could just be authenticated and on the back list qualifiers trimmed, altered, color added restored etc.

BUY the card and not the holder!

[Gorditadogg]

I think the subgrades are very helpful. You can't put every card up on this site so that swarmee can tell you what's wrong with it.

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[RayBShotz]

The qualifiers are an option, for which the submitter will pay a nominal fee. For vintage, I agree there is no need. If/when I submit, I will not request the qualifiers. But I believe many of the modern card collectors may opt for it.



If I read their website correct the qualifiers are far from "nominal".
Appears if you want sub grades you pay $10/card extra for those.
Do I have that right?
RayB

[perezfan]

If I read their website correct the qualifiers are far from "nominal".
Appears if you want sub grades you pay $10/card extra for those.
Do I have that right?
RayB

Yes you're right... not really nominal for cheaper cards. Somewhat nominal when looking at a percentage of the fees for high-end cards.

[steve B]

Looking at it from the angle of keeping costs down, a gasketed holder makes the most sense. Even with modern CNC machining, a set of dies for injection molding is a big investment.
3D printing has potential, but right now it's painfully slow, and isn't great for clear stuff.

So a size that can hold most "regular" cards and a gasket to adjust the size is the most cost effective.

I've thought for years that the gasket could be made in different colors. That would allow some customizing, like team colors, or even just a lighter choice for cards like 71 Topps or 50 Drakes.

I knew the square "thing" I mocked up wouldn't appeal to everyone, it's what I could do with the old image and paint in a few minutes. Plenty of room for improvement. There's really no big reason most T size cards couldn't be in a small slab. the 3x4 size of a toploader could be pretty good.

I've been trying to figure out a slab with a pocket to contain a detailed report/certificate.

[Vintagedeputy]

That logo looks vaguely familiar...

[Oscar_Stanage]

I had planned on sending them to SGC, but with the current mess at SGC I will hold off.


What is the 'current mess' at SGC?

[buymycards]

What is the 'current mess' at SGC?

The current mess at SGC is the raise in prices, coupled with missed deadlines. My last order took 4 months for them to grade. Add in the loss of the registry and the new pop report that made it even more inaccurate than the previous version, it all adds up to a mess.

[Blackie]

I remember several years ago SGC was great. I used to talk a lot with Earl Johnson whom worked there. Not sure what happened to him but he was a great guy. Turn around times used to be on point and never had issues with customer service. Just my opinion but it fell apart when they moved from parsipanny to florida……….or again it just seemed that way.

[Oscar_Stanage]

The current mess at SGC is the raise in prices, coupled with missed deadlines. My last order took 4 months for them to grade. Add in the loss of the registry and the new pop report that made it even more inaccurate than the previous version, it all adds up to a mess.

prices are better than the others, and the turnaround is faster. 4 months is nothing for a standard submission. BGS is 8 months. i think slack needs to be cut given the current environment. Registry/pop report I would guess is less of a priority given the massive wave of new business. TPGs just were not prepared for this new market.

[Picklepete]

..

[Picklepete]

That logo looks vaguely familiar...

I kind of think SGC could sue them for being to close to their likeness of the logo.

I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night 😁

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Since CCG uses the scales on all of their logos I think it would've already happened. I've heard rumblings that SGC used to be part of Certified Collectibles Group, just like CGC, NGC, ASG etc... and that's why the similarity, but I can't find any facts to back that up. CGC was also started in Parsippany NJ which lends some credence to the theory.

[Schlesinj]

Since CCG uses the scales on all of their logos I think it would've already happened. I've heard rumblings that SGC used to be part of Certified Collectibles Group, just like CGC, NGC, ASG etc... and that's why the similarity, but I can't find any facts to back that up. CGC was also started in Parsippany NJ which lends some credence to the theory.

Were they linked to JSA in some way since they are in Parsippany too?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

No but JSA used SGC for slabbing before SGC started diing (and has since STOPPED doing) autograph authentication.

[forceplay sport]

I joined CSG and sent in a few cards. I decided on economy, only as if I dont like it didnt spend alot of $$ looking forward to their return.

[toledo_mudhen]

I joined CSG and sent in a few cards. I decided on economy, only as if I dont like it didnt spend alot of $$ looking forward to their return.

Ok this is exciting!

What did you send them - A T Card would be great...

[aconte]

That logo looks vaguely familiar...


I was thinking the same thing when I first saw the pictures and name earlier
this month. It's like SGC #2. The logo is close to me and the name Guaranty
too. Reminded me of SGC when Derek and Sean were there.

[Usc1]

Anyone get their cards back yet from csg? Im on the fence at the moment. I need a bunch of raw cards graded.


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[perezfan]

Anyone get their cards back yet from csg? Im on the fence at the moment. I need a bunch of raw cards graded.


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Same here... seriously thinking of giving them a try, but am still awaiting a reply from them on the slabs/flips for Tobacco and Caramel cards.

[bnorth]

Looks to already be a CSG grading company.:D:eek:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Topps-Gil-Hodges-102-CSG-7-5-NM-Serial-6207/284179077846?hash=item422a649ad6:g:EoYAAOSw8b1gIzN 7

[Exhibitman]

My 1st order logged in 2/25. Standard 5 weeks, we'll see.

[forceplay sport]

I emailed CSG about smaller cards and here is the response:

Hello Andy,

For smaller cards we create a custom clear insert to hold the card safely in place.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thank you and have a wonderful day,

Justin Hudlow

Customer Service

Certified Collectibles Group

p. 800-642-2646 | f. 941-360-2553
jhudlow@NGCcoin.com

[forceplay sport]

and just as a side note there is another TPG company .....

HGA - Hybrid Grading Approach

Hybridgrading.com

[Casey2296]

For smaller cards we create a custom clear insert to hold the card safely in place.

For smaller cards we create a custom clear or black insert to hold the card safely in place.

One can only dream...

[SD]

Do you know if they have larger slabs for exhibits and t200s?
I emailed CSG about smaller cards and here is the response:

Hello Andy,

For smaller cards we create a custom clear insert to hold the card safely in place.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thank you and have a wonderful day,

Justin Hudlow

Customer Service

Certified Collectibles Group

p. 800-642-2646 | f. 941-360-2553
jhudlow@NGCcoin.com

[dio]

I think I'll give CSG a try given the ridiculous delay and price increase at psa

[irv]

and just as a side note there is another TPG company .....

HGA - Hybrid Grading Approach

Hybridgrading.com

First I am hearing of them.
Not that I will be sending any in, but they do look like a decent company.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51hR4QXlBs8

[perezfan]

I emailed CSG about smaller cards and here is the response:

Hello Andy,

For smaller cards we create a custom clear insert to hold the card safely in place.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thank you and have a wonderful day,

Justin Hudlow

Customer Service

Certified Collectibles Group

p. 800-642-2646 | f. 941-360-2553
jhudlow@NGCcoin.com

I just called them to ask about this. I requested that they put a picture up on their website (of a Tobacco Card within the Slab/Insert). They agreed that was a good idea, and will do so shortly.

I told them I am hesitant to submit anything until I see the actual aesthetics, and they fully understood. They also said that the insert will not be a flimsy baggie like PSA uses. They said it is composed of a more rigid material.

So hopefully, the cards won't present diagonally, off-centered or sideways like they frequently do with PSA. And hopefully there will be no unsightly wrinkling, puckering or crumpling of the "insert", as is so frequently seen with PSA slabs that aren't properly sized.

Fingers crossed!

[forceplay sport]

Do you know if they have larger slabs for exhibits and t200s?

I was told they do not have any larger size right now, basically standard card size or smaller, at least right now.

[YankeeHotelFoxtrot]

Have any coupon code for membership, Leon?

I am thinking of joining at the 149 level and see there is a coupon code line. Wondering if you have any>

First off that question is quite condescending but I will answer it anyway. I have always paid all fees for all of my grading at any company (as far as I can remember). I don't expect anything free BUT I guess if they offered a discount I would consider it. My guess is that other known collections have gotten discounts on large crack outs before, no?
I have never been given a favor of anything pertaining to grading nor would I want or accept one.

And Actually this incorrectly labeled group of cards will be the first crossed over if I decide to go that route. They are wrongly labeled so why not? ( And the pack they came in. )

and btw Pete, what say ye about this? I guess this is part of their new rules about grading....sort of CYA...

"3. Customer acknowledges and agrees that SGC’s owners and employees shall be permitted to submit items for grading and/or authentication without limitation. Furthermore, SGC’s owners and employees may buy, sell, and trade SGC authenticated or graded items without limitation."
Ref: https://gosgc.com/terms"

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[Lorewalker]

I was told they do not have any larger size right now, basically standard card size or smaller, at least right now.

Worse than that actually. If your card is standard size but oversized (50s, 60s and 70s and are larger than factory specs), their current holders will not accommodate the card and it will come back ungraded. There are people on their message boards all bent out of shape over it.

[albrshbr]

Anyone else having problems doing a submission? I've been trying for 3 days now and can't access the form. I contacted Customer Service and they stated they are experiencing very high user traffic resulting in server errors, just keep trying. Apparently even at 4 AM in the morning.

Oh, and prices are going up starting on 4/28

[D. Bergin]

Anyone else having problems doing a submission? I've been trying for 3 days now and can't access the form. I contacted Customer Service and they stated they are experiencing very high user traffic resulting in server errors, just keep trying. Apparently even at 4 AM in the morning.

Oh, and prices are going up starting on 4/28


Well, prices just went up and it looks like you can submit now, LOL.

[toledo_mudhen]

Didn't take em very long to jump on the bandwagon - did it?

Still less than the other 3 but I suspect they will be totally moved over to the dark side before long.

Quick check shows a total of around 2600 CSG Graded cards on FeePay

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[perezfan]

Didn't take em very long to jump on the bandwagon - did it?

Still less than the other 3 but I suspect they will be totally moved over to the dark side before long.

Quick check shows a total of around 2600 CSG Graded cards on FeePay


And not a single Goudey or T206. Must be mostly current stuff.