Gauging interest in a piggyback sub!!! GRADES POSTED 1 YEAR LATER!!!

[bobbyw8469]

In light of the new PSA quarterly specials going on, I am testing the waters on a 1959 and older sub. I hate having this many orders out there at the same time there, but if it is going to the 6 months for them to grade cards, then I want to do SOMETHING. Is any of you interested?? The special is $7.50 per card plus the usual $1 for shipping to and from Cali. They MUST be standard size cards and 1959 or older.

[nsaddict]

Would you be opposed to a obscure free submission?

[lowpopper]

Would you be opposed to a obscure free submission?

I like that. Main issues only and no variations. This way it pops before the next millennium.

POP POP POP POP POP POP

:cool::cool::cool:

[wondo]

I can always find something

[kmac32]

Have a few 20’s cards that could use a slab as SGC will not gradea few cards that I have and PSA has in the past.

[bobbyw8469]

Good deal...we are on, as I got 25 by myself....let's set a deadline, say, end of month???

[nsaddict]

Straggler free too? Plenty of advance notice. And I think they are done with paper submission forms?

[bobbyw8469]

Straggler free too? Plenty of advance notice. And I think they are done with paper submission forms?

Yes....no stragglers. People by now should know whether they want to sub or not. I know I have been steadily buying raw whenever a deal presented itself. I am sure others have as well. And yes, everything now is online, but I have been doing it online anyway.

[tonyo]

I probably could find a few....is the value limit $100?

[bobbyw8469]

I probably could find a few....is the value limit $100?

Yes.

[mrbud60]

i could do up to 50 if that's not too many bobby

[bobbyw8469]

i could do up to 50 if that's not too many bobby

No...that's not too many.

[botport]

if T206 are ok i have 2 in the last order and would like to do a few more...

thanks

[cubman1941]

I can find a few. Thanks for continuing to do this.

[bobbyw8469]

if T206 are ok i have 2 in the last order and would like to do a few more...

thanks

T206 are old enough.

[Harford20]

Bobby,
I believe I have about 10 to add. Will confirm this evening and get them sent out this week.

Dave

[bobbyw8469]

End of May deadline!!!!

Robert Williams
PO Box 61362
Raleigh, NC 27661-1362

[tab]

I may send a few more. What’s the word on the dec sub? That was my first one just my luck with all this. I keep seeing the oct one brought up. Any guesses on how much longer on the dec. sub ?

[bobbyw8469]

I may send a few more. What’s the word on the dec sub? That was my first one just my luck with all this. I keep seeing the oct one brought up. Any guesses on how much longer on the dec. sub ?

Yes...the December one is still in RESEARCH AND ID!! It seems to have been there for quite a while. I apologize for that one playing 2nd fiddle to the October sub though....the October sub is like sooooooo close to the finish line though. These are definitely trying times. One must have the patience of Job, that's for sure.

[toledo_mudhen]

$1 per card on return shipping?

[bobbyw8469]

$1 charge covers shipping to and from Cali. You are responsible for actual shipping back to you.

[BuzzD]

Do we need to print out and fill the PSA form along with the cards? Never did this before

[NonSportDaniel]

Sports only or is non-sports okay?

[bobbyw8469]

Non sports is OK....as long as they arent too big...

[NonSportDaniel]

I’d Likely be in for thirty cards. Regular non-sports. R cards.

[toledo_mudhen]

getting 30ish together - will mail next week

[MatthewN]

I have 7 cards going in the mail in the next day or two. I'm a first time participant and I appreciate you organizing this!

[mrbud60]

bobby,just sent 50 cards to you...forgot to put list of cards in the box,so i'm sending you list separately...thanks again for putting this together

[Farm_kid]

Do we need to print out and fill the PSA form along with the cards? Never did this before

I was wondering the same thing?

Pretty good timing, I was thinking renewing my lapsed subscription (thinking Silver just to get the Quarterly Specials and Bulk services)

[tab]

I have 27 cards ready to send to you as soon as I can get to the post office. It will be Saturday at the latest.

[Farm_kid]

I hope this first timer question isn't too annoying. And I bet Bobby is quite busy, so if anyone else wants to reply (or PM), feel free.

What are the steps if someone wants to get in on the piggyback? What paperwork do I need to include?

I've got 70 T206s, mostly PSA1s but probably some 2 and maybe a couple 3s. Most have some issues.

80% have creases
25% have paper loss
25% have marks
5% have paper add

In an effort to streamline, is this submission trying to avoid Marks, Miscut, etc, or does that even matter?

[toledo_mudhen]

I hope this first timer question isn't too annoying. And I bet Bobby is quite busy, so if anyone else wants to reply (or PM), feel free.

What are the steps if someone wants to get in on the piggyback? What paperwork do I need to include?

I've got 70 T206s, mostly PSA1s but probably some 2 and maybe a couple 3s. Most have some issues.

80% have creases
25% have paper loss
25% have marks
5% have paper add

In an effort to streamline, is this submission trying to avoid Marks, Miscut, etc, or does that even matter?

The only thing that matters is that is less than $100 in value and that you are willing to spend 8ish dollars to have it graded.

[cubman1941]

Also need to include piece of paper with your name - Net54 handle - info about the card and value of card with submission.

[NonSportDaniel]

So I'm at a bit of a disadvantage here. I don't know Bobby's address. How do I get the cards to you Bobby?

[slipk1068]

So I'm at a bit of a disadvantage here. I don't know Bobby's address. How do I get the cards to you Bobby?

See post number 17 in this thread

[bobbyw8469]

See post number 17 in this thread


LOL....Thank you.....I guess I have gotten a little cold at repeating the same info over and over.

[Farm_kid]

Thanks for doing this, I have 11 T206 Polar Bears that I am sending your way. Probably all PSA 1s. That will get me 2.1% closer to completing my registry set!

[NonSportDaniel]

Bobby, sorry about not seeing your address in post 17. I'm not a sports card collector so I'm not on this board as much as most here. If you had posted on the non-sports side I wouldn't have missed it as I read everything posted there in detail. Regardless, I have thirty pre-1959 cards headed your direction tomorrow.

Thanks and stay well.

[MidnightMarauders]

Priority mailed today, Thanks Bobby!

[tab]

Got mine mailed out this morning.

[bobbyw8469]

If you haven't already sent cards, then please wait. We are FULL!!! Thanks!!!

[toledo_mudhen]

WooHoo - Let Em Rip!

Bobby - How Many is "Full"?

[bobbyw8469]

I rather not say until the dust has settled. Right now, we are at 180 with more coming in. PSA cuts you off at 500.

[bobbyw8469]

Now we wait for it to get logged in.

[toledo_mudhen]

Now we wait for it to get logged in.

Hey Bobby - Any updates on the 1959 (and older) submission?

Thanks

[bobbyw8469]

They picked up the package. Still not logged in. Just getting logged in is taking around a month or so (or so I hear).

[bobbyw8469]

Still waiting to get logged in.....man this is taking awhile!!!!

[cubman1941]

Appreciate the update.

[bobbyw8469]

We are officially logged in.,

[cubman1941]

Yea, maybe by Christmas!!!

[bobbyw8469]

Yea, maybe by Christmas!!!


LOL......seems a little soon all things considering.

[tab]

Any update with this one?

[bobbyw8469]

Still languishing in Research and ID.

[Farm_kid]

Hey Bobby, how are things? I saw were you said you have a handful of submissions out currently with PSA. Just wondering if there was any updates on this one?

I missed out getting in on your most recent grouping. I have some T206. So instead of grading what I had, I bought some more T206 (from some Net54 members also) for the next group submission. Thanks.

[toledo_mudhen]

We are officially logged in.,

And just another query on the 1959 Sub - Been logged in right at 4 months now

:confused:

[bobbyw8469]

Research and ID.....4 months is nothing, as they are taking 2 months just to log stuff in......the last group sub took 9 months if that is any indicator, and they are even more backed up NOW than they are then.

[Pat R]

Yea, maybe by Christmas!!!

By the sounds of it we will be lucky if it's Easter.

[bobbyw8469]

By the sounds of it we will be lucky if it's Easter.

Who knows....I got all paperwork filed away in a folder.....when it pops, it pops........I have long learned to have the patience of Job in dealings with PSA.

[BuzzD]

Alright! Tick Tock....

Thanks again, Bobby

[bobbyw8469]

I have ZERO news to report....we are still in R&I. Just didn't want this to get buried TOO much!

[Tyruscobb]

I noticed the value limit was $100.00 for this particular submission special, when it was sent in, back in June 2020. I have recently participated in two submission groups (Bobby’s pre-war one, and the recent swinging 60s one).

Each special has its own value limit. When is the value calculated? Is it at the time the company accepts the money and order, or is it at the time the actual grading occurs?

If it’s when the grading actually occurs, then I imagine a lot of cards will exceed the limit, considering the long delays and the fact prices just keep going up. I hope the grading companies calculate the card’s value on the date the order and money is accepted.

$100 Willie Mays and Hank Aaron cards from May/June 2020 are now going for $300.00. I would not be happy if a card was under the threshold amount when I submitted it, and due to the long delays and crazy market prices, increases to over the value limit and the grading company, more than 9 months after sitting on it, refuses to grade the card because its value now exceeds the threshold.

Anyone know the answer or have any experience with this? Thanks.

[swarmee]

PSA will still grade the cards. The value once they're graded allows PSA to upcharge to the service level those cards now would require to cover return shipping insurance. So PSA reserves the right to upcharge, and because they track graded card sales on eBay with their Auction Prices Realized tool, they may contact the submitter and say that 16 cards now require upgrading to Regular service level, and they might charge Bobby $20-50/card now for those 16. It all depends on what they want to do.
Bobby would then reach out to the owner and let them know they'll need to add more money to their return shipping to cover the costs of the upgrade.

[Tyruscobb]

PSA will still grade the cards. The value once they're graded allows PSA to upcharge to the service level those cards now would require to cover return shipping insurance. So PSA reserves the right to upcharge, and because they track graded card sales on eBay with their Auction Prices Realized tool, they may contact the submitter and say that 16 cards now require upgrading to Regular service level, and they might charge Bobby $20-50/card now for those 16. It all depends on what they want to do.
Bobby would then reach out to the owner and let them know they'll need to add more money to their return shipping to cover the costs of the upgrade.

The special is a comprise between customers and grading companies. The customer receives discounted fees in exchange for a longer than usual waiting period. The grading company receives increased volume in exchange for lower fees. Both parties give up something to receive something. A trade off.

So, if a customer submitted 10 cards worth $75.00 each on June 1, 2020, and they are worth $150.00 each 10 months later, when the company gets around to grading them, the customer has not received the benefit of the bargain and has actually lost.

He does not receive the discounted fee, and has to pay the full boat rate, despite each card qualifying under the threshold value amount when he paid and dropped them into the mail. Moreover, because they were in a bulk submission, he had to wait even extra longer just to eventually pay the full boat rate. This is a nightmare scenario.

This scenario permits a grading company to actually benefit for running a slow operation. The company gets an interest free loan on you money for 10 months, and then gets to ask you for even more capital at the end - all while you had to wait longer than usual because you originally submitted them in a bulk rate submission. This is a dream scenario for the grading companies.

[wondo]

How does PSA get an interest free loan?

[Tyruscobb]

How does PSA get an interest free loan?

A company has your money for 10 months before performing the contracted for services. You don’t think having the money for 10 months before performing the services is not essentially equivalent to an interest free loan?

[swarmee]

A company has your money for 10 months before performing the contracted for services. You don’t think having the money for 10 months before performing the services is not essentially equivalent to an interest free loan?
Incorrect. PSA doesn't charge you until the grading is over. Beckett charges when the submission gets there, no matter how long it takes them to complete.

[wondo]

A company has your money for 10 months before performing the contracted for services. You don’t think having the money for 10 months before performing the services is not essentially equivalent to an interest free loan?


PSA does not charge for grading until the cards have been graded, or did this change?

[Tyruscobb]

Yea, maybe by Christmas!!!

PSA does not charge for grading until the cards have been graded, or did this change?

I stand corrected if this is not the case. The company I have utilized in the past has made me pay upfront. I didn’t realize each company had different payment policies. I assumed (and that is where I made my mistake) that the industry norm was for payment upfront.

[wondo]

I stand corrected if this is not the case. The company I have utilized in the past has made me pay upfront. I didn’t realize each company had different payment policies. I assumed (and that is where I made my mistake) that the industry norm was for payment upfront.

No problem. I was unaware this was varied within the industry. Would tick me off a little - salt in the wound. On the other hand, I would have forgotten about payment if I subbed. Silver lining!

On a different note, I have subbed through Bobby and I wound not go through the work and turmoil he does on a group sub. The man has the patience of Job. Always appreciate it, Bobby!

[Tyruscobb]

No problem. I was unaware this was varied within the industry. Would tick me off a little - salt in the wound. On the other hand, I would have forgotten about payment if I subbed. Silver lining!

On a different note, I have subbed through Bobby and I wound not go through the work and turmoil he does on a group sub. The man has the patience of Job. Always appreciate it, Bobby!

I totally agree. I truly appreciate Bobby allowing us to participate. I’m sure it is a lot of work and a lot to keep up with.

[bobbyw8469]

I totally agree. I truly appreciate Bobby allowing us to participate. I’m sure it is a lot of work and a lot to keep up with.

I didn't mind it...I actually think it is fun.....but waiting 9-10 months before cards come back is TOTALLY not fun. I have to file everything away and hope not to forget any little idiosyncrisies that happened.

[Pat R]

Looks like we should be getting close on this sub according to the site they are
graded through August 3 and Bobby posted that this one logged in on August 13.

[toledo_mudhen]

Looks like we should be getting close on this sub according to the site they are
graded through August 3 and Bobby posted that this one logged in on August 13.

FWIW - We are still waiting on bulk sub that logged in back around last part of May/beginning part of June

So "graded thru August 3" (if not an outright lie) doesn't necessarily mean shipped

[Pat R]

FWIW - We are still waiting on bulk sub that logged in back around last part of May/beginning part of June

So "graded thru August 3" (if not an outright lie) doesn't necessarily mean shipped

I think this is the one you're talking about Lonnie.

[NonSportDaniel]

I thought that we submitted under a quarterly special; those are currently processing orders logged by July 13th. That would make it at least another month away from grading, wouldn't it?

[bobbyw8469]

I thought that we submitted under a quarterly special; those are currently processing orders logged by July 13th. That would make it at least another month away from grading, wouldn't it?

This sub is so old, they were monthly specials back then....lol

[bobbyw8469]

We stayed in R&I for the longestttttttttttttttttttttt time. It just moved to grading like 2 weeks ago.

[Zact]

It might be 12 months or more total round trip- unbelievable

[toledo_mudhen]

I think there have been at least 2 slab revisions since Bobby submitted those.... 😊

[bobbyw8469]

I think there have been at least 2 slab revisions since Bobby submitted those.... 😊

LOLOLOLOL!!!! Good one!! ! We submitted when the company USED to be public and sell stock over the NYSE. They also had monthly specials back then instead of quarterly specials.

[tab]

What step are these in now? Any update? Should be getting close. I will be surprised when these show up. I will have to look on the computer to see what I sent in.

[bobbyw8469]

What step are these in now? Any update? Should be getting close. I will be surprised when these show up. I will have to look on the computer to see what I sent in.

STILL in grading. The last completed thru date was August 2nd. These are August 12th. I am sure there are orders older than this one out there, but not very many.

[toledo_mudhen]

Bobby,

This is the 1950s Submission from last June?

[bobbyw8469]

Bobby,

This is the 1950s Submission from last June?

Correct....it took PSA two months to simply log them in....so the actual clock started on August 12th.

[bobbyw8469]

I feel like we should be getting close, but nothing changes. Every single day. I thought they were supposed to be working on these old orders?

[Pat R]

I feel like we should be getting close, but nothing changes. Every single day. I thought they were supposed to be working on these old orders?

Yeah the CTD hasn't moved from August 2 for over a week.

[NonSportDaniel]

Friday the complete through date changed from August 2nd to August 3rd. If it takes a week to move it every day on the calendar then we are only ten weeks away from order completion! What's another two and a half months at this point?

[toledo_mudhen]

Friday the complete through date changed from August 2nd to August 3rd. If it takes a week to move it every day on the calendar then we are only ten weeks away from order completion! What's another two and a half months at this point?

So are looking at "Quarterly Specials"? as I dont see a category for "Bulk Submission" which is what we sent it in as -

Service Level Complete Through Date
Walk-Through 20 Apr 2021
Super Express 13 Apr 2021
Express 16 Feb 2021
Regular 3 Feb 2021
Economy 3 Sept 2020
Reholder 30 Sept 2020
Collectors Club Vouchers 8 Sept 2020
Value - Ultra Modern 3 Sept 2020
Value - Modern 9 Aug 2020
Value - Vintage 15 Sept 2020
Value - TCG 15 Aug 2020
Quarterly Specials 3 Aug 2020

[Snapolit1]

Torture.

Wouldn't it have been easier for you guys just have arranged a met up in a parking lot somewhere and beat each other over the heads with sticks for an hour?

[Pat R]

Friday the complete through date changed from August 2nd to August 3rd. If it takes a week to move it every day on the calendar then we are only ten weeks away from order completion! What's another two and a half months at this point?

It took two weeks to move one day it was at August 2nd the week of April 12.

[toledo_mudhen]

Torture.

Wouldn't it have been easier for you guys just have arranged a met up in a parking lot somewhere and beat each other over the heads with sticks for an hour?

hmmmm- that still sounds like an attractive option for us....

[bobbyw8469]

This sub was sent in under a "monthly" special. That is how old it is. The specials used to change every month. Monthly special isn't even on the list. I assume it has fallen under the "quarterly" special. I understand everyone is mad and impatient. I am impatient too. PSA has taught me to have the patience of Job however. I tried to look at the bright side of everything. The bright side in this instance is that the values have increased dramatically since these have been sent in.

[Republicaninmass]

Sadly, when I called about my crossover submission, mind you they are already psa graded, just adding an auto grade, they said service varies by demand. "At least a few more months"

[bobbyw8469]

Sadly, when I called about my crossover submission, mind you they are already psa graded, just adding an auto grade, they said service varies by demand. "At least a few more months"

It's a hot mess right now Ted. There is ZERO sugar coating anything. There are a lot of people to blame. We can take a poll...

#1) PSA themselves for not hiring and planning in advance.

#2) Ja Morant and Zion Williamson. The explosion of the modern market.

#3) Pokemon and Magic the Gathering.

I doubt very seriously vintage is the cause of any of this. We are just caught up in the tide thanks to everyone else.

[toledo_mudhen]

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[bobbyw8469]

Last CTD is August 4th. We are August 12th. I can't help but feel we are close.

[Pat R]

Last CTD is August 4th. We are August 12th. I can't help but feel we are close.

They were at August 3rd on April 4th 26 days ago so at that rate they should be graded in around 208 100 days.

Actually I see I was wrong the CTD date moved two days since the beginning of April but it's still
at a point where it's ridiculous. They supposedly stopped all submissions except the walk-through
and super express to get caught up but the CTD dates were moving faster before the shut down
than they are now.

[bobbyw8469]

They were at August 3rd on April 4th 26 days ago so at that rate they should be graded in around 208 100 days.

Actually I see I was wrong the CTD date moved two days since the beginning of April but it's still
at a point where it's ridiculous. They supposedly stopped all submissions except the walk-through
and super express to get caught up but the CTD dates were moving faster before the shut down
than they are now.

Well...PSA IS in California. Is California still shut down??

[Pat R]

Well...PSA IS in California. Is California still shut down??

Sorry about the confusion Bobby I was talking about them shutting down
the submissions on all the lower level grading services.

[frankbmd]

Following this thread for 365 days is one of the true joys of Net54 membership.

[bobbyw8469]

Following this thread for 365 days is one of the true joys of Net54 membership.

And just imagine. It cost you not one copper penny.

[toledo_mudhen]

Looks like we should be getting close on this sub according to the site they are
graded through August 3 and Bobby posted that this one logged in on August 13.

The above was posted by Pat on March 19, 2021 saying that the "Completed Through Date" was August 3, 2020

Today (43 days later) - The Completed Through Date shows as August 4, 2020

So they have manged to process 1 additional day of submissions in 43+ days?

Can't think of any other business that currently displays such a blatant disregard for Customer Service -

When you need a wheelbarrow to haul the cash to the bank - I guess you can afford to say "Yea - eff a whole bunch of Customer Service"

[Pat R]

The above was posted by Pat on March 19, 2021 saying that the "Completed Through Date" was August 3, 2020

Today (43 days later) - The Completed Through Date shows as August 4, 2020

So they have manged to process 1 additional day of submissions in 43+ days?

Can't think of any other business that currently displays such a blatant disregard for Customer Service -

When you need a wheelbarrow to haul the cash to the bank - I guess you can afford to say "Yea - eff a whole bunch of Customer Service"


That was the value vintage service that I originally thought this sub was in and
that one is now completed through September 22. This sub is actually in what is
now called the quarterly service and that one has moved 2 days in the past
26 days.

[bobbyw8469]

It is painfully slow. And we are definitely one of the oldest subs there.

[toledo_mudhen]

Quarterly Specials still showing as Completed Thru August 4, 2020

Not moving even a bit over the last couple of weeks

[Jcosta19]

Jumped to Aug 9th today.

I'm not even in this sub but I always check out of interest when checking on my express submission through date.

Good luck, getting close

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[bobbyw8469]

Jumped to Aug 9th today.

I'm not even in this sub but I always check out of interest when checking on my express submission through date.

Good luck, getting close

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

I saw that as well. This in unbeleivable.

[toledo_mudhen]

and 1 week later still holding steady at Aug 9, 2020 - FFS (they cant even gain 1 day in a week?)

[Pat R]

I think the backlog excuse is bs when you look at the progress since they
stopped all submissions except the top two services. I think it's something
like they can't get enough holders and for whatever reason they don't want
to say that.

459037

[bobbyw8469]

The sub is STILL sitting in grading. It is one month shy from being a year.

[bobbyw8469]

I will be going on vacation soon. I really hope these pop while I am gone.

[toledo_mudhen]

I will be retiring in 18 months and really hoping that these come back before then.

[frankbmd]

Following this thread for 365 days is one of the true joys of Net54 membership.

......and so it goes....

[bobbyw8469]

......and so it goes....

And once again...still not cost you one copper penny.

[toledo_mudhen]

I see today where the CTD for "quarterly specials" went from 08/09/2020 to 06/30/2020..... so lost 40 ish days on CTD in the last week or so.

Perfect -

[Pat R]

I see today where the CTD for "quarterly specials" went from 08/09/2020 to 06/30/2020..... so lost 40 ish days on CTD in the last week or so.

Perfect -

Say's August 9 on my computer.

[Pat R]

I see today where the CTD for "quarterly specials" went from 08/09/2020 to 06/30/2020..... so lost 40 ish days on CTD in the last week or so.

Perfect -

It's August 9 on my computer.

[bobbyw8469]

We have moved to assembly. I am on vacation. More details to come, hopefully soon.

[Pat R]

462220

[toledo_mudhen]

Jumped to Aug 9th today.

Not even a single day of movement of these since 5/13/2020 - WTF!

[bobbyw8469]

Not even a single day of movement of these since 5/13/2020 - WTF!


And to make matters worse Lonnie, two of my biggest cards that enjoyed huge appreciation while they were sitting around collecting dust over at PSA got graded recently. "Min Size Rqd". I feel like I got kicked in the stomach. These are legitimate cards. It is almost like PSA is turning into slot machine in Vegas. They are choosing whether they want to give you a big win or not.

[toledo_mudhen]

Yea - it' totally like a crapshoot anymore.

Remember when we were hopin to have them back by Christmas?? :)

Oddly enough I seem to be getting the itch to send in another 25 or so - to someone - just not sure who atm. Even CSG is saying 4 months turnaround now.

[bobbyw8469]

Yea - it' totally like a crapshoot anymore.

Remember when we were hopin to have them back by Christmas?? :)

Oddly enough I seem to be getting the itch to send in another 25 or so - to someone - just not sure who atm. Even CSG is saying 4 months turnaround now.

I don't think the graded card market will will be the same ever again. And that saddens me. What a roller coaster the hobby has been on.

[bobbyw8469]

QA Check #2

[bobbyw8469]

9 more days and it will officially be a year since PSA received the cards. I'm dumbfounded.

[Pat R]

9 more days and it will officially be a year since PSA received the cards. I'm dumbfounded.

Bobby I'm just as dumbfounded that they said they closed off the majority of the submissions to catch up and their progress has slowed dramatically since that time.

[toledo_mudhen]

Looks like CTD has finally moved to August 11 today.....

So not sure why we would be in QA2 yet.....

Isn't QA2 the last phase before return shipping?

[bobbyw8469]

OK...Here are the grades, after 1 year. If you want to be surprised, DO NOT CLICK THE LINK!!!!!!!! Here ya go.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fflj_mthT8HzW-rqOSkl4ocaLEbjZgZ46fssQxDgIVs/edit?ts=60c1225f#gid=0

[Casey2296]

Does this mean the Swingin' 60's sub should be done by X-mas 2021?

[bobbyw8469]

Does this mean the Swingin' 60's sub should be done by X-mas 2021?

LOL.........hard to say.......Things are backed up pretty bad right now....bad enough they shut down future business.

[JollyElm]

LOL.........hard to say.......Things are backed up pretty bad right now....bad enough they shut down future business.

Bobby, have you contacted your PSA rep about the elimination of qualifiers in the 'Swinging 60's' sub, and if that decision could be reversed since we submitted under the old rules? It was such a BS move on their part, because it screws over those of us who were fully expecting/hoping for high grades with an OC qualifier pointing out the obvious problems in centering. Now, said centering is going to lower the grade on the label without any explanation, so a card that would've been a PSA 7 OC, for example, is now going to be a straight 5...so anyone looking at it now would think its corners, focus, eye appeal, etc., make it ONLY a PSA 5, PLUS it is off-center, which makes the grade in a person's mind even lower. There is no separation. Ultimately, the card would now seem like a PSA 3 (PSA 5 minus two grades for bad centering) to a normal buyer!!!!!! The addition of the OC has always eliminated all of that. A PSA 7 OC card has all of the other characteristics of a 7, but it is off-centered. No guesswork required. In the scenario I just outlined, a PSA 7 OC card would lose 4 grades (down to a perceived straight PSA 3) for no reason whatsoever...and when we submitted this order, those were NOT the rules we agreed to.

(And please, no one come on here to argue about what I am saying. It doesn't matter if you prefer to have a straight grade that encompasses centering or if you believe it's the right move for PSA to make, that NOT the issue. The issue is we submitted under certain rules, and they changed them. That is not acceptable.)

[toledo_mudhen]

Couple of things - Looks like these did include "qualifiers" as I received 1 card back with the "MK" designation.

Sent 34 1955 Topps BB in for grading on this go round.

Of the 34 I had "opinion" graded the vast majority as coming back a 6 with a couple maybe hitting 6.5 and a couple coming back in the 5 range (Dont recall a Mark on the card they designated but will see when I get it in hand)

Had several "shockers" that included a 3 cards coming back below 5 and 11 cards coming back as 7s (or better)

Of the 11 one (Boone) came back as 8.5 - Still scratching my head on this one as I don't know how an EXMT card sitting in my EXMT set along with tons of other 6s could hit that "rare air".

The other 7s (and 4 additional 8s) are somewhat annoying to me for the same reason - didnt look out of place in an EXMT set

Hand picked for centering - Looks like I now get to go out in search of 14 additional 6s. If you have any of the 14 in PSA Holders that are well centered - I would be interested

Thanks

The Boone (8.5)??

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The following results simply reinforce the idea that after all these years - I STILL have no clue when it comes to BB Card Grading. The Mathews is particularly annoying as I was sure it was a 6 all day.....

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[bobbyw8469]

Couple of things - Looks like these did include "qualifiers" as I received 1 card back with the "MK" designation.

Sent 34 1955 Topps BB in for grading on this go round.

Of the 34 I had "opinion" graded the vast majority as coming back a 6 with a couple maybe hitting 6.5 and a couple coming back in the 5 range (Dont recall a Mark on the card they designated but will see when I get it in hand)

Had several "shockers" that included a 3 cards coming back below 5 and 11 cards coming back as 7s (or better)

Of the 11 one (Boone) came back as 8.5 - Still scratching my head on this one as I don't know how an EXMT card sitting in my EXMT set along with tons of other 6s could hit that "rare air".

The other 7s (and 4 additional 8s) are somewhat annoying to me for the same reason - didnt look out of place in an EXMT set

Hand picked for centering - Looks like I now get to go out in search of 14 additional 6s. If you have any of the 14 in PSA Holders that are well centered - I would be interested

Thanks

The Boone (8.5)??

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The following results simply reinforce the idea that after all these years - I STILL have no clue when it comes to BB Card Grading. The Mathews is particularly annoying as I was sure it was a 6 all day.....

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I am very interested in what comes back from what I submitted. I don't get into things as in depth as you, but to say I am disappointed is an understatement. What is going on over at PSA?? Have the grading standards tightened?? Is there new help grading the cards with very little experience?? Who knows......It has been an eye opening experience for me to say the least.

[toledo_mudhen]

I know that ALL of these cards were in pretty much identical in condition and they should have all hit the 6 (ish) range.

The cards that came back as below 5 and especially the PSA 8.5 grade makes me think that they don't really have a clue as to what is going on over there....

I would guess lots of brand new "Graders"? Don't know - Reminds of the old "Turkey Shoots" - One shot from a 12 gauge at 25 yards and the guy with the pellet closest to center wins....

[toledo_mudhen]

OK - Now that I am done bitchin -

Just wanted to say -

Mega Kudos to Bobby for puttin these things together -

Not many guys out there would invest a year of time and tons of paperwork to put something like this together for FREE....

Thanks Bobby!!

[Pat R]

OK - Now that I am done bitchin -

Just wanted to say -

Mega Kudos to Bobby for puttin these things together -

Not many guys out there would invest a year of time and tons of paperwork to put something like this together for FREE....

Thanks Bobby!!

+1 on this

I sent in 23 mostly lower grade t206's and they were about what I expected no real surprises either way.

8 - came back the grade I estimated
5 - + 1/2 grade
7 - - 1/2 grade
1 - + 1
2 - - 1 grade

The two that stood out the most to me was a Knabe that came back a 3 that I thought was a 2 and a Leifield that came back a 2 that I thought was a 3 when you look at the two together I don't see how the Knabe is a grade higher than the Leifield.

463308
463309

[toledo_mudhen]

when you look at the two together I don't see how the Knabe is a grade higher than the Leifield.

Yes - Exactly my point!

[bobbyw8469]

New graders Pat. That is my suspicion.

[swarmee]

MK and MC qualifiers are not being eliminated, only the OC, OF, ST, and PD.
https://www.psacard.com/articles/articleview/10428/psa-customer-update-june-2021
So having a MK in the order doesn't mean anything.

[bobbyw8469]

bump so people can see their grades.

[toledo_mudhen]

So if you go thru and look at all 283 cards - It appears that PSA pretty much hammered everything.

Couple of things come to mind -

What constitutes an "Altered Stock" designation - and this is on a 52 Topps fairly common card?

What is the difference between "Minimum Size" and "Evidence of Trim"?

[Pat R]

So if you go thru and look at all 283 cards - It appears that PSA pretty much hammered everything.

Couple of things come to mind -

What constitutes an "Altered Stock" designation - and this is on a 52 Topps fairly common card?

What is the difference between "Minimum Size" and "Evidence of Trim"?

Just a guess Lonnie but probably the altered stock on a 52 Topps would be because it was in a flat screw down holder at one point.

[swarmee]

Altered stock is normally from being in a screwdown holder, because that could change the width of the card and press out creases and wrinkles. Because it could be used to hide alterations, PSA calls it altered stock. Could have also been for something that damaged the surface gloss. Card could have also gotten water damage over time which made the stock thicker than normal.

MinSize means that PSA couldn't detect any trimming, but the card was too small compared to the normal size of that set, outside of its maximum allowable tolerance.

Evidence of Trim means that they did note some part of the card was trimmed.

[NonSportDaniel]

MK and MC qualifiers are not being eliminated, only the OC, OF, ST, and PD.
https://www.psacard.com/articles/articleview/10428/psa-customer-update-june-2021
So having a MK in the order doesn't mean anything.

I didn't read it as those qualifiers are being eliminated, only that they will be used at the graders discretion and that you can not request that they not be used. In this submission I requested no qualifiers and received a MK, a MC, and an OC. The presence of the qualifiers is a major bummer when the rules when we submitted were that you could request no qualifiers; major bummer.

[swarmee]

I didn't read it as those qualifiers are being eliminated, only that they will be used at the graders discretion and that you can not request that they not be used. In this submission I requested no qualifiers and received a MK, a MC, and an OC. The presence of the qualifiers is a major bummer when the rules when we submitted were that you could request no qualifiers; major bummer.
You will still get MK or MC as those are not removable if you select "No Qualifiers"; that's how it's always been and still seems to be with this change. So the only difference you would have seen was a lowered grade (by at least 2 grades) for the OC ones.
However, I thought the "No Qualifiers" was for the entire order, not specific cards. So because you submitted with a group submission, whatever Bobby selected for the submission is what would have mattered to your cards within. Authentic vs. unslabbed Alterations/Minsiz you can select for each card, or at least it was the last time I submitted to PSA.

[sb1]

You can select "no qualifiers" on a line by line basis

[NonSportDaniel]

You can select "no qualifiers" on a line by line basis

correct

[bobbyw8469]

Stay tuned....I'll PM with details.

[bobbyw8469]

PS - a lot of the cards had "MK" qualifiers. Some I am seeing. A lot of them, I am not. You can argue for the "ST" qualifier on some instead of "MK". Most I am dumbfounded. The low grade is SUPPOSED to incorporate some mild staining. EVERY single 1933 Goudey Indian card got a "MK" qualifier??? I think not. I will send some scans when I get home.

[swarmee]

EVERY single 1933 Goudey Indian card got a "MK" qualifier???
Maybe WST or bleedthrough now being counted as MK?

[bobbyw8469]

Can someone please tell me where the "mark" is????

https://imgsrv.sellersourcebook.com/users/73693/img647.jpg?1624015208
https://imgsrv.sellersourcebook.com/users/73693/img648.jpg?1624015231

[Tyruscobb]

I cannot find the alleged mark, but do see a pinhole. I did not think pinhole cards could receive a grade higher than a 2. The majority that I own, which are in great shape other than a small pinhole, usually receive a 1.5. So, I guess a 3 is the highest a pinhole card can receive or was this a mistake?

[bobbyw8469]

I cannot find the alleged mark, but do see a pinhole. I did not think pinhole cards could receive a grade higher than a 2. The majority that I own, which are in great shape other than a small pinhole, usually receive a 1.5. So, I guess a 3 is the highest a pinhole card can receive or was this a mistake?

While it has the look of a pinhole, it doesn't break thru. I would call it more like an "indentation". I got others with the "MK" mark without the mark if you want to see others.

[swarmee]

Did you try looking at them under black light? There are a couple of stray dots on the edges of the cards, one of which could be a pen point. I think if there was any recoloring of the red field at the bottom front (where the indentation is), that they would have given that an ALTERED.

[chalupacollects]

While it has the look of a pinhole, it doesn't break thru. I would call it more like an "indentation". I got others with the "MK" mark without the mark if you want to see others.

Definitely looks like a pinhole. There is a matching ,ark on back and dark spots on back near bottom... I think a 3 is good!

[ledsters]

Faint smiley face above the CH in the left hand corner, back side.

[bobbyw8469]

Faint smiley face above the CH in the left hand corner, back side.

Good eye....I will post the others......

[toledo_mudhen]

Would have never seen the Smiley Face until you pointed it out....

[Pat R]

I got the cards Bobby thanks but I think PSA needs to look into the holders and how they are encapsulating them. I scanned them before I tried tapping them into place and when I do they just slide in between the two layers.

This is just a few but they are all crooked in the holders.

464795

464796

464797

[Casey2296]

I picked up a recently graded PSA E card that had the same issue of being crooked in the holder and wouldn't tap back into place. Left it in my car for 10 minutes to warm up, tapped it into place, then put it in the fridge for 10 minutes.
After seeing your cards it looks like PSA might have a bad batch of holders in their system. I guess for $300/card a guy can't expect much QC, sarcasm intended.

[kmac32]

PSA status of my submission. Cards sent for submission September 4, 2020. Logged in October 7, 2020 and will be shipped back June 21, 2021. In total, 10 months to get 6 prewar cards graded. A little long in submission length but there are worse things in the world.

[toledo_mudhen]

Again,

Once you need wheelbarrows to haul the money to the bank - it's quite acceptable for all kinds of things to "slip thru the cracks".

The concept started out pretty simple -

1.) Send us your stuff
2.) Our guys will evaluate condition
3.) We will put it in a clear plastic tomb to prevent damage going forward

If you can't successfully accomplish those 3 simple objectives, after 20+ years of trying, then it's time for you to just open up a burger joint.... jeeziz

[perezfan]

Hope they re-holder all of those for free. But even if so, when the hell would you get them back? What a shame to spend that much money and wait forever, only to have them come back looking like that! Simply awful.

[cubman1941]

I had four like that but was able to tap them back into place.

[Tyruscobb]

I got the cards Bobby thanks but I think PSA needs to look into the holders and how they are encapsulating them. I scanned them before I tried tapping them into place and when I do they just slide in between the two layers.

This is just a few but they are all crooked in the holders.

464795

464796

464797

The flips are also wrinkled and look like chewy bacon. You wait over a year to receive your cards back and: (1) the cards won’t stay in the designated area; and (2) the flips are wrinkled.

First world problems, but still frustrating. I feel your pain.

[bobbyw8469]

They weren't like that when I shipped them out. Maybe I didn't pack them up good enough? For that I apologize.

[Pat R]

They weren't like that when I shipped them out. Maybe I didn't pack them up good enough? For that I apologize.

No they were packed fine Bobby, it has to be a flaw in the holders I've had many before that needed to be tapped into place but with these when you try
and tap them into place they slide right through on the other side when they finally do break loose and I've never had them slide between the two layers like that before.

[Harford20]

Like Pat, mine did the same thing. The PSA Quality Control is evidently the new hires (pretty poor). These cards can be tapped into place and then they slide right out of the intended slotted area if the card/holder is in ANY position except flat.
Dave Harford

[swarmee]

Well, the new PSA majority owner has an account on Blowout. You could send him a link to this thread. Is he on Net54 as well? I thought he was at one time.

[bobbyw8469]

Guys...I am so sorry....I had a few T205's and mine didn't seem to do that. Is it just the tobacco cards that are an issue?

[tab]

My t206’s are all the same just like pat r’s. All loose in the holder as well. The holders are not the right ones. I compared them to other and the lines that keep the cards from moving around are too far apart. So what do we do now?

[Jcosta19]

My t206’s are all the same just like pat r’s. All loose in the holder as well. The holders are not the right ones. I compared them to other and the lines that keep the cards from moving around are too far apart. So what do we do now?Is it just moving slightly in the holder or completely sideways like the others?

I wasn't on this sub but noticed that 2 recent t206 submissions over the last 4 months came back with a little sideways movement as well. Maybe a change in their holders?

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[tab]

Bad like the others. No chance they will stay in holder without moving back. Took a year and they come back like this. WOW!!

[brianp-beme]

Since these cards are 1 year old, they are probably just learning how to walk inside their new plastic coffins.

Brian

[frankbmd]

Again,

Once you need wheelbarrows to haul the money to the bank - it's quite acceptable for all kinds of things to "slip thru the cracks".

The concept started out pretty simple -

1.) Send us your stuff
2.) Our guys will evaluate condition
3.) We will put it in a clear plastic tomb to prevent damage going forward

If you can't successfully accomplish those 3 simple objectives, after 20+ years of trying, then it's time for you to just open up a burger joint.... jeeziz


If you send them a cow, how many slabbed burgers will you get in return?

[Casey2296]

If you send them a cow, how many slabbed burgers will you get in return?
I would imagine Auth Alt on all of them but you may be able to "Relic" the hoof shavings and hide to make your money back although I wouldn't Moookie Bet on it...

[kmac32]

Cards in hand today. Look great and no issues. Only 10 months to get back!

[frankbmd]

Like Pat, mine did the same thing. The PSA Quality Control is evidently the new hires (pretty poor). These cards can be tapped into place and then they slide right out of the intended slotted area if the card/holder is in ANY position except flat.
Dave Harford

The cards do not appear to be correctly graded based on centering. Maybe a larger image would support this thought.

[Tyruscobb]

I missed this submission group’s boat. However, I did climb aboard the December 2020 pre-war and January 2021 Swinging Sixties ships. What are the overs-unders on when PSA will return these groups’ cards?

I’m thinking Oct 2021 for the December 2020 submission, and December 2021 for the January 2021 group.

[Pat R]

I missed this submission group’s boat. However, I did climb aboard the December 2020 pre-war and January 2021 Swinging Sixties ships. What are the overs-unders on when PSA will return these groups’ cards?

I’m thinking Oct 2021 for the December 2020 submission, and December 2021 for the January 2021 group.

At the rate they're going I would take the over on both. I would guess Feb/March 2022 for the December sub and April/May 2022 for the January sub.

[bobbyw8469]

At the rate they're going I would take the over on both. I would guess Feb/March 2022 for the December sub and April/May 2022 for the January sub.

It is disheartening and makes me not want to do group subs anymore. It is literally no fun waiting a year to get your cards back. And then when they finally DO come back, there are issues with the grades, cards sliding around in slabs, etc.

[cubman1941]

It is disheartening and makes me not want to do group subs anymore. It is literally no fun waiting a year to get your cards back. And then when they finally DO come back, there are issues with the grades, cards sliding around in slabs, etc.

Bobby, I don't really blame you. I think their grading has really gone to pot not to mention quality of slabs.