1887 Buchner Gold Coin Old Hoss Radbourn

[davidb]

I've been scrutinizing my collection during this crazy down time and have a question for the N284 Buchner Gold Coin collectors. I purchased a non graded Hoss Radbourn card way back in 1997 and just noticed... the card has no advertising on back (little slow I know). Is it possible these cards came without any advertising on back of card? My limited research indicates these cards all had advertising. Thanks

[RCMcKenzie]

Some of the Mets cards can be found with full stock and blank backs. Here's a Mets card with an ad back and a poster card with an ad back. I'll post some blank backs that I have later today, when I get a chance to make some scans. Do you have a scan of your card? Is it skinned, or full stock?

[davidb]

Looks like full stock. I'll try and send photos. Thanks for your help!

[oldjudge]

Could be trimmed off a poster

[swarmee]

Possibilities:
1) Counterfeit
2) Cut from Advertisement
3) Real, printed without advertising on back
4) Real, back separated during a soaking from a scrapbook (aka skinned). Happens with certain cards from this era.

Without showing us a picture, it's all just theories. Even with a scan, it's just better theories... ;-)

[Directly]

Possibilities:

2) Cut from Advertisement
3) Real, printed without advertising on back

Possibly 2 or 3 --I once owned a Anson hand on Hip version "blank backed". Sold years ago for around 800.00.

[RCMcKenzie]

Here are 2 blank backs on thick stock. I suppose they could just be missing a very thin layer that originally had the ad print. I have 5 or 6 more with blank backs that are thinner, which I assume are skinned. I included a card with the block lettering. The block letter ones that I have include the ad back. I have another blank, thick stock card on the way from Brockelman Auctions that I'll post later in the week.

[davidb]

Excellent. I really appreciate your follow up and knowledge. Be safe and enjoy your latest N284 from Brockelman.

[Jay Wolt]

David, which Radbourne do you have?
There's 2 variations, the blue socks one & the more generic red socks version.

Here's my old one of Hoss, also classified "hands above waist"

https://www.qualitycards.com/pictures/1251405001.jpg

[davidb]

I have the blue socks. Is your variation blank back?

I believe purchase price was $225 back in 1997.

David

[Jobu]

Nothing to contribute - I just wanted to post my two Gold Coins. :)

I do have a question - I know the type A back (which both of mine have) came in black and blue. Is one tougher to find than the other?

[Jay Wolt]

I have the blue socks. Is your variation blank back?



ad back

[RCMcKenzie]

Bryan, I don't know about the ink color differences. Maybe someone else can chime in with that info. I can run a survey on what I have, and post the results later in the week. My guess is blue is the most often found...Is this Van der Ahe black and the Fogerty blue? I have trouble distinguishing these 2 colors.

[swarmee]

Both of those look black to me. The Kelly above has a very blue back to compare against.

[RCMcKenzie]

Both of those look black to me. The Kelly above has a very blue back to compare against.

I think you are right. This Ward is blue. I'll have to check this week with my highest powered reading glasses and magnifying glass. I had never noticed the different ink colors before.

[triwak]

I never knew there were differences in ad-back colors either! I need to check my Buchner backs now. I believe I have six cards, total.

[Jay Wolt]

I never knew there were differences in ad-back colors either! I need to check my Buchner backs now.

I also noticed there are 3 different style ad backs

https://www.qualitycards.com/pictures/n284back.jpg

[Jobu]

Here is what Mr Lipset has to say about the backs.

[davidb]

Excellent. Nice to know that blank back variation is not a fake/reproduction. Thanks to all for your responses and insight.

[Leon]

Good info in the thread. I have always liked that Von Der Ahe

And I think I had this in my first and current collection.. One of my fave poses..

https://luckeycards.com/n284.jpg

Bryan, I don't know about the ink color differences. Maybe someone else can chime in with that info. I can run a survey on what I have, and post the results later in the week. My guess is blue is the most often found...Is this Van der Ahe black and the Fogerty blue? I have trouble distinguishing these 2 colors.

[RCMcKenzie]

I still need to run a survey of blue vs. black. Looks like black is more often seen from the examples posted here. Here's the Mets card I got in this week. It has the same collector stamp that is found on a large find recently posted about on the non-sport board.

forum.vintagenonsports.com/post/10424623

[swarmee]

Nice; I posted it over on the nonsports thread you linked to.