Anybody around the country seeing sports shows being cancelled because of Corona

[keithsky]

Was wondering if any of you guys living in different parts of the country seeing any sports shows being cancelled because of the Corona virus? I see the show in Chicago is still supposed to go on this weekend. If it does go on there is alot of autographed guests and it will be interesting to see if any cancel out of fear.

[Rich Klein]

I had my Adat Chaverim show last weekend and attendance seemed fairly normal

So far, nothing has affected the shows in DFW

Rich

[Exhibitman]

There's a new show coming up in May in Los Angeles; wonder if that will be canceled.

[T_Hamilton]

There was a show in San Jose last weekend, which is at the heart of the coronavirus in the US... all autograph guests showed up except one...

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-raheem-mostert-cancels-autograph-signing-due-coronavirus

[insidethewrapper]

Ten's of thousands of people die each year of the flu and I don't think anything like shows etc have been cancelled. I know a few schools close at times because of the flu but that is all. I really don't understand the current situation and panic with this virus. Now if a few million cases were reported in the USA that would be news and still that would be less than 1% and about 80% of these cases have few symptoms , according to the expert doctors.

[samosa4u]

The Sport Card & Memorabilia Expo will be held in Toronto on May 1 - 3. I hope it doesn't get cancelled because it is North America's biggest hockey card show and only takes place twice a year.

https://sportcardexpo.com/

If anyone here does plan on attending, then keep your eyes on the site for updates.

[Fuddjcal]

Ten's of thousands of people die each year of the flu and I don't think anything like shows etc have been cancelled. I know a few schools close at times because of the flu but that is all. I really don't understand the current situation and panic with this virus. Now if a few million cases were reported in the USA that would be news and still that would be less than 1% and about 80% of these cases have few symptoms , according to the expert doctors.

maybe you missed the memo that they are hardly testing for it here. No test kits. ;) No need to go anywhere, especially a card show. That would be the last place on earth I would go right now but that's just me. :D

[buymycards]

I am setting up at the Cedar Rapids, IA show on March 29th. Hope to see you all there. I will have wipes and hand sanitizer at my table for customer use.

BYOM. (Bring Your Own Masks)

[scooter729]

We have a large show in the Boston area the weekend of April 17-19. The promoter (Rich Altman) is sending out a bunch of promos every day right now about it, adding autograph guests, etc.

I expect things such as these types of shows will end up being canceled in the coming weeks, but they seem to be all systems go at the moment.

[oldjudge]

Card shows are easy to cancel. A better question is what will happen to spectator sports. Personally, I think there will be outright cancellations or games played in empty venues. March madness might be the first one.

[90feetaway]

I think shows that heavily rely on autograph guests may be at risk. Will the talent show up due to fear/travel restrictions?

[Bugsy]

Seattle just banned events with 250 people and San Francisco just banned events with more than 1000. The majority of large St. Patrick's Day parades have already been canceled. I think this is smart. You need to act early to minimize the impact of a pandemic. Our collective memory is surprisingly short. There are many lessons to be taken from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic, including at looking what happens when you try to contain after the illness is already widespread...but most people don't even know there was an epidemic here in 1918.

[Tony Gordon]

There was a large crowd at my show in Milwaukee last weekend. I am setting up at the Wisconsin's Sports Collectors Association show this Sunday in Milwaukee. I plan to bring hand sanitizer. Milwaukee only has two reported cases of coronavirus.

[Shoeless Moe]

To continue on what Chris said, here is a very interesting article on the 1918 Flu as it pertained to Baseball:

https://baseballhall.org/discover/1918-flu-pandemic-didnt-spare-baseball

[Goudey77]

Mike, I'm not picking on you but this mindset is what causes people to be irresponsible and add fuel to the fire. It's not optimal to brush off the threat of this virus and say it has not impacted a higher percentage of our population.

The way a virus like this spreads is alarming. Sharing the same air as an infected person in a hallway could put you at high risk.

Would you want a society with a reactive mindset waiting for the "million" cases or proactive and taking preventative measures.

I have elderly parents and to protect the vulnerable I would rather a see precautionary mindset coming from citizens.

Just my take.

Ten's of thousands of people die each year of the flu and I don't think anything like shows etc have been cancelled. I know a few schools close at times because of the flu but that is all. I really don't understand the current situation and panic with this virus. Now if a few million cases were reported in the USA that would be news and still that would be less than 1% and about 80% of these cases have few symptoms , according to the expert doctors.

[Goudey77]

The Seattle Mariners have announced that the home series openers will be played at an alternate location.

Seattle just banned events with 250 people and San Francisco just banned events with more than 1000. The majority of large St. Patrick's Day parades have already been canceled. I think this is smart. You need to act early to minimize the impact of a pandemic. Our collective memory is surprisingly short. There are many lessons to be taken from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic, including at looking what happens when you try to contain after the illness is already widespread...but most people don't even know there was an epidemic here in 1918.

[drcy]

My church had its Sunday service via Zoom.

A close friend of mine happens to be an immunologist at Oxford University (Formerly at Harvard Medical School and the Portuguese national institute of medicine, with her doctorate from Oxford). She correctly predicted to me the widespread of the virus (She said it would be much more widespread than then advertised), but said the death rate would be much lower than advertised. Essentially, she says compare it to the seasonal flu not the black plague. She also predicted it would become a seasonal thing from now on, just like the flu. I trust her opinion on the matter over anyone else I know.

So think prudence, as with the flu season, not panic.

I'm no medical expert, but the funny thing is the people with no formal medical knowledge I've encountered who disagree with her opinion. I said to someone who said what said is wrong: "With respect, you're a 20-year-old barista serving me a coffee at the corner coffee shop. She's at Oxford."

[Goudey77]

The biggest worry at this point is healthcare providers... their ability to quickly and efficiently treat respiratory illness that comes from this virus. Especially for the elderly.

There is no proven protocol to diagnose and treat this yet. Treating it like a normal flu until further notice is not something i'd like to see happen.

My church had its Sunday service via Zoom.

A close friend of mine happens to be an immunologist at Oxford University (Formerly at Harvard Medical School and the Portuguese national institute of medicine, with her doctorate from Oxford). She correctly predicted to me the widespread of the virus (She said it would be much more widespread than then advertised), but said the death rate would be much lower than advertised. Essentially, she says compare it to the seasonal flu not the black plague. She also predicted it would become a seasonal thing from now on, just like the flu. I trust her opinion on the matter over anyone else I know.

So think prudence, as with the flu season, not panic.

[Tripredacus]

There is a local show this weekend I wanted to go to, hope it is open. Worst case would be that it could be the last one I'd get to go to for awhile. I still haven't finished sorting the cards I got at the last one!

[perezfan]

In addition to the Governor banning all events with 250 people or more, they just announced that all Seattle area schools will be closed for the next 2 weeks, at a minimum.

So all concerts, sporting events, conventions, trade shows, religious gatherings, etc. are cancelled in the state of Washington, until further notice. I imagine this will continue well into April.

It's devastating to the economy here… many restaurants have already gone out of business, and parts of the Downtown that were thriving just a couple weeks ago now resemble a ghost town. So many jobs already negatively impacted or threatened... Costco HQ isn't even taking appointments for presentations (or returning emails). I'm sure it's the same with many other businesses.

I drive for LYFT on the side, but am taking a very prolonged break. My son is a waiter, and has had his hours cut by 75%. I'm pretty sure there will be a good percentage of Card Shows cancelled across the country. With all of the older people who attend, hoards of bodies under one roof, and the massive shared handling of goods, it's probably prudent to postpone these types of non-essential public events.

[the-illini]

Card shows are easy to cancel. A better question is what will happen to spectator sports. Personally, I think there will be outright cancellations or games played in empty venues. March madness might be the first one.

https://twitter.com/NCAA/status/1237838583630721027

[JollyElm]

Perhaps it's time for sellers to start offering some incentives to drive up attendance numbers, like "Buy a graded 1952 Mantle card and get 3 wax packs of 1990 Score absolutely FREE!!!!!!" :D

[whitehse]

This has nothing to do with card shows but I am currently sitting in a Starbucks that is normally PACKED and there is nobody here but my wife and I. I asked if this is happening more and the workers have said they see a reduced amount of traffic inside the store but drive through seems to be increasing.

I am not one to panic but I am being prudent. I have my hand wipes that I used to wipe down the table before I sat down but in this Starbucks, its probably a good idea anyway! LOL

[insidethewrapper]

How many people got their flu shot this year and always wash their hands etc. ?? Flu kills tens of thousands a year. Hope you haven't just started to wash your hands and using sanitizers. Next year their will be another Coruna strain, how many will get shots then ??? Probably only a low percentage of people. It's crazy , close a school, but the Casino's are open with 1,000 inside with older people.

[Santo10Fan]

Was wondering if any of you guys living in different parts of the country seeing any sports shows being cancelled because of the Corona virus? I see the show in Chicago is still supposed to go on this weekend. If it does go on there is alot of autographed guests and it will be interesting to see if any cancel out of fear. I generally have my auto "get" in mind ahead of the show and buy the ticket day-of. So my routine hasn't been impacted. I think flight disruptions are the only thing that would stop some of those guys as these weekends are big earners for them. Hoping to attend this Sunday.

Oh-one thing I did do in advance was buy George Gervin's rookie to be signed. I didn't want to risk not finding a raw one at the show.

[nolemmings]

Next year their will be another Coruna strain, how many will get shots then ???.

There are no shots to get--there is no vaccine. Nor is there likely to be one for THIS corona virus a year from now, much less a new strain.

[irv]

Ten's of thousands of people die each year of the flu and I don't think anything like shows etc have been cancelled. I know a few schools close at times because of the flu but that is all. I really don't understand the current situation and panic with this virus. Now if a few million cases were reported in the USA that would be news and still that would be less than 1% and about 80% of these cases have few symptoms , according to the expert doctors.

I agree! I think this is way overblown and unnecessary panic all driven by the propaganda/corrupt/bias media.

Regular flu kills thousands a year but nary word about that??? Mmm, wonder why?

""CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.""
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

[Cmount76]

I have worked in a suburban city just north of NYC, in Westchester County, called New Rochelle for the past 17 years. Perhaps you have seen it in the news recently.

Sadly, what started as one man on the north end of town, moved on to his family, and then to his next door neighbor (he was driving him to the doctor.). From there, it found its way into the local synagogue, and the rest, as they say, is history.

I am not an alarmist, but prudent, common sense measures are appropriate. I hope that we are not naive enough to believe that it cannot happen to us.

I applaud the actions being taken by several neighboring school districts that are closing out of an abundance of caution, the colleges and universities moving to online learning, the NCAA for playing games without fans (going to be quite a different experience to watch), and for all of the decisions being made to protect the American people.

[oldjudge]

How many people got their flu shot this year and always wash their hands etc. ?? Flu kills tens of thousands a year. Hope you haven't just started to wash your hands and using sanitizers. Next year their will be another Coruna strain, how many will get shots then ??? Probably only a low percentage of people. It's crazy , close a school, but the Casino's are open with 1,000 inside with older people.

Despite the fact that a significant portion of people in this country get flu shots, roughly 35,000 people die from it every year. That should not bring anyone comfort in this case. COVAD19 is more virulent and no one had any immunity to it. We have just seen the tip of the iceberg so far in this country. As a country we have been slow to respond to it so far. Hopefully, this does not come back to bite us too badly.

[ullmandds]

Despite the fact that a significant portion of people in this country get flu shots, roughly 35,000 people die from it every year. That should not bring anyone comfort in this case. COVAD19 is more virulent and no one had any immunity to it. We have just seen the tip of the iceberg so far in this country. As a country we have been slow to respond to it so far. Hopefully, this does not come back to bite us too badly.

I agree 100%... Seems that the orange man in chief has changed his stance should be interesting to hear what he says tonight.

[JollyElm]

I agree 100%... Seems that the orange man in chief has changed his stance should be interesting to hear what he says tonight.

STFU, dipshit!!!!!!

[buymycards]

I agree! I think this is way overblown and unnecessary panic all driven by the propaganda/corrupt/bias media.

Regular flu kills thousands a year but nary word about that??? Mmm, wonder why?

""CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.""
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Canada now has over 100 cases of Coronavirus. Your government is allocating over 1 billion dollars to respond. Is the media in Canada also corrupt and biased? I think you are biased, not the media.

[sbfinley]

I agree! I think this is way overblown and unnecessary panic all driven by the propaganda/corrupt/bias media.

Regular flu kills thousands a year but nary word about that??? Mmm, wonder why?

""CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.""
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

A couple reasons:

1. This virus is, as it stands, both marginally more contagious and has a marginally higher mortality rate than the common flu. Having one of these two attributes of a virus strain keep the virus "marginally" more dangerous. Have both makes it "exponentially" more dangerous. Exceptional measures might prevent this.

2. The virus is "novel" or new, meaning it's exposure to a human population at large is also new. This heightens the chance the virus mutates into an even more dangerous strain. The Spanish Flu outbreak during WW1 was actually broken into two waves - a first wave where the strain featured characteristics similar to the common flu (mortality rates clustered within the eldery, extremely young, and at risk). In the second, the virus then mutated into a strain that was almost equally as devastating to healthy young adults who previously the least at risk group. Exceptional measures might prevent this.

3. The "regular" flu is already firmly entrenched into our population. There is hardly a section of the globe that doesn't have a "flu season" now. The farther this strain expands and the larger the population that is infected the greater the risk this strain enters the rotation and reappears. This is especially dangerous because of number one. Exceptional measures might prevent this.

In itself covid-19 is lower on the list of dangerous viruses, there are plenty of things much much worse, but the reasons listed above and others give cause to isolate and "kill" this virus while it is still novel. Sports organizations, Universities, and in some cases entire regions are shutting down not because of something they read on facebook or watched on the news. They are taking extreme measures because top health organizations are recommending they do so.

Am I personally fearful of the virus? Not really. The only fear I have at the moment is the economic impact the virus will almost certainly soon have on my business. In looking at the greater picture though, we are at the cusp of measures most of us haven't seen in our lifetime so I believe the major health organizations feel the need to contain it quickly is warranted. How the media factors into this I'm not sure other than yeah, some of the most extreme medical efforts we have seen in some time are being thrown at this virus so I would expect them to report on it extensively.

[irv]

Canada now has over 100 cases of Coronavirus. Your government is allocating over 1 billion dollars to respond. Is the media in Canada also corrupt and biased? I think you are biased, not the media.

Our leader up here is a moron and is destroying this country. He is doing this/pandering for votes, nothing more, trust me.

Of course the media up here is biased. The Toronto Star, CTV News, CP24news, the CBC, the list goes on and on.

If anyone doesn't think this covo 19 hysteria isn't political motivated to some extent, then they have their blinders on.

Remember HiN1, swine flu, SARS, Avian Flu, Mers, Ebola and a whole host of other ones.
Fear mongering at its best.
When's the last time you have heard about Wuhan China?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china/as-new-cases-of-coronavirus-subside-in-china-wuhan-told-to-go-back-to-work-idUSKBN20Y03W
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51813876

Doctors: 98% of coronavirus patients survive, but many others could have contracted it and not known
https://www.boston25news.com/news/doctors-98-coronavirus-patients-survive-many-others-could-have-contracted-it-not-known/6JWPTD3ARRDJJDQSQDPOYMMIU4/

[Snapolit1]

I will avoid lapsing into politics. Have messed that up a few times. Will avoid another transgression.

I don't see the point of saying "look how stupid people are." The reality of the situation is irrelevant. Not that any of us or the experts know the reality of the situation. The perception of the situation among the mass number of people is pretty bleak. Pointing out how irrational and silly you think people are is a waste of time. What's important is the perception. And that is very bleak at the moment. No one wants to get on train or planes. Have eaten out recently in some very empty restaurants. People on mass transport looking very afraid. Strange times.

Fear is a very primitive lizard brain emotion. Not really a rational one. You can explain how safe flying is and if someone doesn't want to fly you are banging your head against the wall. Ditto disease.

[irv]

I will avoid lapsing into politics. Have messed that up a few times. Will avoid another transgression.

I don't see the point of saying "look how stupid people are." The reality of the situation is irrelevant. Not that any of us or the experts know the reality of the situation. The perception of the situation among the mass number of people is pretty bleak. Pointing out how irrational and silly you think people are is a waste of time. What's important is the perception. And that is very bleak at the moment. No one wants to get on train or planes. Have eaten out recently in some very empty restaurants. People on mass transport looking very afraid. Strange times.

Fear is a very primitive lizard brain emotion. Not really a rational one. You can explain how safe flying is and if someone doesn't want to fly you are banging your head against the wall. Ditto disease.

Maybe a bad choice for a meme but if you could see what is going on up here, you too would just shake your head.
Massive panic driven idiocy when Costco and other grocery stores open up all rushing/running towards the stacks of toilet paper, water and hand sanitizer.
This flu does not cause diarrhea nor has anyone anywhere said our city water is going to be turned off. It's absolutely ridiculous, but again, it shows the power the media has over the people.

The vast majority recover from this, just like the seasonal flu, and those who do pass are the same ones, health/age wise, who would also pass if they caught the flu but we are all acting like a bunch of fear driven sheep because that is what the media is telling us to do. :mad:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

[Snapolit1]

Maybe a bad choice for a meme but if you could see what is going on up here, you too would just shake your head.
Massive panic driven idiocy when Costco and other grocery stores open up all rushing/running towards the stacks of toilet paper, water and hand sanitizer.
This flu does not cause diarrhea nor has anyone anywhere said our city water is going to be turned off. It's absolutely ridiculous but again, it shows the power the media has over the people.

The vast majority recover from this, just like the seasonal flu, and those who do pass are the same ones, health/age wise, who would also pass if they caught it but we are all acting like a bunch of fear driven sheep because that is what the media is telling us to do. :mad:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

I don't think the media creates people's fear. I think once people feel personally at risk or fear for their family and loved ones, they go off the rails. Many horrible things have happened through human history in response to irrational fear. See Nazi Germany, lynching of innocent people, and many other terrible things. I'm not worried about my kids in college. But my 82 year old mother would be waylaid very easily and prob gone in days if she came into contact with this. That's what I'm seeing.

[irv]

I don't think the media creates people's fear. I think once people feel personally at risk or fear for their family and loved ones, they go off the rails. Many horrible things have happened through human history in response to irrational fear. See Nazi Germany, lynching of innocent people, and many other terrible things. I'm not worried about my kids in college. But my 82 year old mother would be waylaid very easily and prob gone in days if she came into contact with this. That's what I'm seeing.

I disagree. Many "real" sources of information are out there but like most of us, we just continue to watch the news and read newspapers and trust/believe what they spew as being a 100% truthful, factual and telling the whole complete story.
Fear sells and they know this or else we'd be hearing how the cases in China are waning and how many have actually recovered/survived this instead of just those that have died.

I also have an 80 yr old father but he also knows, just like every winter/flu season, he needs to be careful/extra cautious.
http://voyapal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Be-careful-but-don%E2%80%99t-be-Panic-Everything-About-CoronaVirus.pdf

[Snapolit1]

Not disputing that the media loves a dramatic story rather than a boring one, but the reflexive thing in many factions of the country to blame the media for any story you don't like or agree 100% with has gotten a little silly. Not that it hasn't been highly effective. Not new though.

[irv]

Not disputing that the media loves a dramatic story rather than a boring one, but the reflexive thing in many factions of the country to blame the media for any story you don't like or agree 100% with has gotten a little silly. Not that it hasn't been highly effective. Not new though.

I honestly don't know how long fake news/biased news has been around, but to me, anyways, it seems like its at an all time high.

I know stateside, just like up here, many of these fake/biased news sites exist and can be easily proven if you are not so closed minded to take a look around.

I just laugh at some of yours and ours up here how they favor our leader and hate yours based on their political affiliation.

[buymycards]

Dale, please shut up with your political crap. There are plenty of other forums where you can talk about politics. And yes, calling certain media outlets "fake news" is political, whether you want to admit it or not.

Please go away.

[boysblue]

I agree with Irv on one thing...our PM (Justin Trudeau) is a moron!

[irv]

Dale, please shut up with your political crap. There are plenty of other forums where you can talk about politics. And yes, calling certain media outlets "fake news" is political, whether you want to admit it or not.

Please go away.

Bullshit! Lots of fake news out there that just doesn't pertain to politics.

If you don't like my posts, stay away. Pretty simple, isn't it??

[ullmandds]

looks like attendance at the baseball card shows in europe is going to suffer for a bit!

[buymycards]

I will say it again. Please go away. You don't contribute anything positive to the forum. Just whining about government and the media. Have you ever run for office? Maybe you should. I'm sure that you could get everything straightened out. It is easier for you to whine rather than to try to fix the problems.

[Snapolit1]

NBA has suspended their season.

Giving up millions and millions.

If you think these people are overreacting to media reports well, whatever.

[irv]

I will say it again. Please go away. You don't contribute anything positive to the forum. Just whining about government and the media. Have you ever run for office? Maybe you should. I'm sure that you could get everything straightened out. It is easier for you to whine rather than to try to fix the problems.

I'm not sure what you're babbling about as I don't even recall reading any of your posts so I assume you don't have much to bring to the site.

Just so you know, you are the one who associated fake news with politics, not me. Like I said, even though you are too blind/ignorant to see it, not all fake news is associated with politics.

[irv]

NBA has suspended their season.

Giving up millions and millions.

If you think these people are overreacting to media reports well, whatever.

We'll see how it plays out, but I think this is a knee jerk reaction.

[Bram99]

Tom Hanks has Coronavirus.

That's all I got to say about that.

[Goudey77]

I told my son that Woody has Coronavirus. He's very upset about this.

Tom Hanks has Coronavirus.

That's all I got to say about that.

[seanofjapan]

Me: (Opens saloon doors to view thread)

Commenters in the thread: "You dipshit!" "Bullshit!" "Shut up with your crap!" followed by general brawl, everyone throwing bottles at each other, one guy getting thrown over bar countertop, smashing into mirror on the wall.

Me: (Gently and carefully closes doors on thread, turns around and walks away at brisk pace).

[conor912]

Sharing the same air as an infected person in a hallway could put you at high risk.

I’m pretty sure this isn’t how it works.

[glynparson]

Just when I thought we couldn’t get any dumber. Fools posting that this is all the media’s fault like countries and businesses are sacrificing all this money on a hoax or to get trump. This ignorance is laughable and as someone with a compromised immune system so I am at risk to those taking my health lightly screw you!

[Johnny630]

The card doctors should show up to the shows with the bleach that they use to whiten their cards. It already seems like it’s a line the third-party graders let them cross. Use it for something good like wiping down surfaces.

[Republicaninmass]

I’m pretty sure this isn’t how it works.

"Its like trying to fight air" I believe that was from the NY mayor


No, just wash you hands! A tough concept for the hobbyists I know

[polakoff]

It's a pretty far ways away but I am concerned about the impact on the National. I am confident that with the measures everyone seems to be taking we will have this thing well under control by the time of the show. But, since people book travel and make travel plans months in advance, I am concerned that attendance will be low regardless of how COVID-19 is contained by the end of July.

[Leon]

It's a pretty far ways away but I am concerned about the impact on the National. I am confident that with the measures everyone seems to be taking we will have this thing well under control by the time of the show. But, since people book travel and make travel plans months in advance, I am concerned that attendance will be low regardless of how COVID-19 is contained by the end of July.

I wasn't going to the National anyway (see Adam's great response to not going to AC). That said, we can only hope this will be over by then. I am in the camp of it not being the major plague that many are estimating. I think it is a new virus that probably comes back year after year, just like influenza, but with lower sickness totals. There could be mutants of it but that is also common for these types of viruses, from what is being said. I think it's good to take all precautions and do what we can to prevent the spreading of it but paranoia isn't going to help.

[HistoricNewspapers]

Tom Hanks has Coronavirus.

That's all I got to say about that.


Nice subtle reference :) Very good.

[Rich Klein]

In the first 15-20 minutes of this hobby podcast, there is a mention of the cancellation of the local show where Shep sets up regularly. I'm sure there will be more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5Qc-CPHzU

Regards
Rich

[rats60]

Autograph guests and dealers are cancelling going to the big Chicago show this weekend. If it doesn't get cancelled it certainly is being impacted. There are 25 Corona Virus cases in the Chicago area as of yesterday.

[insidethewrapper]

Was anything cancelled in 2009 ?????

H1N1(swine flu) was first detected in April 2009 in a 10-year-old girl in California. It was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

[irv]

Was anything cancelled in 2009 ?????

H1N1(swine flu) was first detected in April 2009 in a 10-year-old girl in California. It was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

H1N1 affected the young and the healthy. Covid-19 affects the old and unhealthy but with way less of a mortality rate.

Media coverage/panic back then compared with today,,,,,,, huge difference.

[Santo10Fan]

Autograph guests and dealers are cancelling going to the big Chicago show this weekend. If it doesn't get cancelled it certainly is being impacted. There are 25 Corona Virus cases in the Chicago area as of yesterday. The only auto signer I had in mind, George Gervin, has officially cancelled. I did get a pretty sweet rookie of his two days ago. I will hopefully catch him down the road. Still hoping to use JSA service tomorrow. At this point it’s out of the promoters hands I’m guessing. Yesterday was a watershed moment for municipalities large and small.

[vintagewhitesox]

The only auto signer I had in mind, George Gervin, has officially cancelled. I did get a pretty sweet rookie of his two days ago. I will hopefully catch him down the road. Still hoping to use JSA service tomorrow. At this point it’s out of the promoters hands I’m guessing. Yesterday was a watershed moment for municipalities large and small.


I plan on going tomorrow, as of now I haven't heard of them cancelling. a few friends are setting up.

Better safe than sorry to cancel large gatherings to stop the spread. it's not political.

[bigfish]

H1N1 affected the young and the healthy. Covid-19 affects the old and unhealthy but with way less of a mortality rate.

Media coverage/panic back then compared with today,,,,,,, huge difference.


These people are simply running out of road. Things will pass. A vaccine will be created. The market will bounce back. Card collecting will be great again.

This is not political.

[Republicaninmass]

I’m pretty sure this isn’t how it works.

These people are simply running out of road. Things will pass. A vaccine will be created. The market will bounce back. Card collecting will be great again.

This is not political.

Make
Collecting
Great
Again

[Santo10Fan]

I plan on going tomorrow, as of now I haven't heard of them cancelling. a few friends are setting up.

Better safe than sorry to cancel large gatherings to stop the spread. it's not political. I have an auction letter from JSA, so I will show up tomorrow at a minimum. I feel the Village needs to make a call one way or the other.

[keithsky]

I have an auction letter from JSA, so I will show up tomorrow at a minimum. I feel the Village needs to make a call one way or the other.

You really think the Village is going to cancel anything at the convention center if they have the final say? Alot of money to be lost.

[Santo10Fan]

You really think the Village is going to cancel anything at the convention center if they have the final say? Alot of money to be lost. Rosemont has gone to great lengths in the past decade to market itself as a safe and secure environment for workspace, night life and lodging. What I’m saying is that the promoters and the DESCC have made it clear they will move ahead and open doors. The only thing that could stop it is government intervention at the county or local level.

[Frank A]

The SEC just canceled their College Basketball Tournament. If this threat continues everything of large scale participation will be shut down shortly. Right now it doesn't look to good.

[rats60]

Rosemont has gone to great lengths in the past decade to market itself as a safe and secure environment for workspace, night life and lodging. What I’m saying is that the promoters and the DESCC have made it clear they will move ahead and open doors. The only thing that could stop it is government intervention at the county or local level.

The NBA has suspended games. MLB is suspending operations and delaying the start of the season. NCAA conference tournaments are cancelled and the NCAA Tournament is in question. Let's all go to a baseball card show in a city with the Corona Virus.

[Tripredacus]

There are no shots to get--there is no vaccine. Nor is there likely to be one for THIS corona virus a year from now, much less a new strain.

There already is two strains, the L and S strain.

[Tony Gordon]

Received an email this morning from the promoters stating the Rosemont show is ON. I am also setting up Sunday at Gonzaga Hall in Milwaukee and that show is ON. Just two cases reported in Wisconsin.

[keithsky]

As of 4 o'clock today the show in Rosemont has 21 guys that have cancelled signing autographs. That is out of about 70 guys maybe that were scheduled. And it keeps growing. Yesterday there was 2. There was 9 early this morning that cancelled and now 21

[Santo10Fan]

Received an email this morning from the promoters stating the Rosemont show is ON. I am also setting up Sunday at Gonzaga Hall in Milwaukee and that show is ON. Just two cases reported in Wisconsin. Governor J.B. Pritzker scheduled press conference @5pm CDT. https://news.wsiu.org/post/3-12-20-governor-pritzker-daily-press-briefing-covid-19#stream/0

[KMayUSA6060]

Here in Ohio, schools are now closed for the next 3 weeks starting on Monday (why it's ok to go to school tomorrow is beyond me).

NCAA Tournament just cancelled.

All NCAA spring sports cancelled.

NBA, NHL, MLB suspended.


I'm in the camp that doesn't believe this is the black plague. I think the overreaction is ridiculous, and question the origins of the virus as well as the underlying reasons for the mass hysteria (looking at you, media). There are way too many inconsistencies and questions that don't add up to me and many others. With that being said, this is unbelievable. What a time to be alive...

[Johnny630]

Here in Ohio, schools are now closed for the next 3 weeks starting on Monday (why it's ok to go to school tomorrow is beyond me).

NCAA Tournament just cancelled.

All NCAA spring sports cancelled.

NBA, NHL, MLB suspended.


I'm in the camp that doesn't believe this is the black plague. I think the overreaction is ridiculous, and question the origins of the virus as well as the underlying reasons for the mass hysteria (looking at you, media). There are way too many inconsistencies and questions that don't add up to me and many others. With that being said, this is unbelievable. What a time to be alive...


Has The Strongsville Show Been Cancelled Yet ?

[Tony Gordon]

I spoke too soon on the Gonzaga Hall show in Milwaukee, it is now cancelled. My son's high school in suburban Chicago is cancelled until April 6.

[Tony Gordon]

Governor J.B. Pritzker scheduled press conference @5pm CDT. https://news.wsiu.org/post/3-12-20-governor-pritzker-daily-press-briefing-covid-19#stream/0

Gatherings of 1,000 or more are now banned in Illinois.

[Goudey77]

I hope people focus on the reality that diagnosed cases are a fraction of the actual carriers of the virus.

1. Healthcare protocol does not test enough potential cases. Official "case" numbers aren't a true reflection of the impact to public risk.
2. Not everyone shows symptoms. Unknowingly hosts to the virus.

Received an email this morning from the promoters stating the Rosemont show is ON. I am also setting up Sunday at Gonzaga Hall in Milwaukee and that show is ON. Just two cases reported in Wisconsin.

[KMayUSA6060]

Has The Strongsville Show Been Cancelled Yet ?

I don't believe an announcement has been made, but I'd imagine it will be because gatherings of 100+ have been banned in OH. Meanwhile, exclusions to the ban include airports, churches, etc. Go figure...

[Baseballcrazy62]

Just talked to a dealer friend of mine who is driving back from the Chicago show. It’s canceled.

[Rich Klein]

Randy Cook, who would have been setting up, just posted on FB the Chicago show has been cancelled.

Regards
Rich

[Steve D]

Here's the story on Sports Collectors Daily:

Chicago cancelled.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/upcoming-card-shows-still-a-go-despite-coronavirus-talk/?fbclid=IwAR0KCYpEZ9kl_gd8XpoZwRj3RkwspRs9lZOEmhDc 5fcoqBvvmPytRJiQOOU


Steve

[Steve D]

Also, Al C of LOTG just posted on Facebook announcing he has cancelled the remainder of his buying trip.

Steve

[Snapolit1]

H1N1 affected the young and the healthy. Covid-19 affects the old and unhealthy but with way less of a mortality rate.

Media coverage/panic back then compared with today,,,,,,, huge difference.

When the Spanish Flu arrived the first thing people noticed was that it seemed to spare children and young people. Then the virus muted and killed many millions of children and young people. Shit happens.

This is a new disease we don't have a vaccine for.

Why is it so hard from some people to just heed a warning and listen to what people who know far more about it than you ever will are saying.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Because we live in a world where for some reason people with no expertise think their opinions are just as valid as facts.

[Snapolit1]

Because we live in a world where for some reason people with no expertise think their opinions are just as valid as facts.

Yep. That would be the reason. Be suspicious of informed intelligent folks. Believe hucksters and uninformed loudmouths.

[trambo]

Columbus sportscard show cancelled for this weekend, too! Looks like for the next few weeks or so many shows will be cancelled!

[KMayUSA6060]

Columbus sportscard show cancelled for this weekend, too! Looks like for the next few weeks or so many shows will be cancelled!

Canton Card Show cancelled as well on the 22nd.

Canton is where 2 of the 5 announced cases in Ohio are.

[familytoad]

Portland, Oregon monthly card show is cancelled. The promoter said this is the first cancellation for him of any kind on 33 years.

The mayor of Portland declared a state of emergency. Presumably to get funding for ways to protect from worse spreading of the virus.

So the impact is pretty much everywhere now.
No way to tell yet if it is an over reaction or a sound strategy to keep more people healthy.
The flu sux, I guess this virus does too.

[earlywynnfan]

I firmly believe in a couple months we look back and say "We were worried about that??" Much like when the planes were supposed to drop out of the sky in Y2K.

However, I also believe that avoidance and common sense and even some overly cautious protections can and will slow this down and help greatly. Someone posted earlier about the amount of deaths from swine flu; that didn't wipe out the world, but how many of those deaths and illnesses might have been avoided if we hunkered down like we are now?

This graph makes a lot of sense to someone of my limited medical knowledge.

Ken

[mattsey9]

This Saturday's Sacramento card show was cancelled yesterday.

[docpatlv]

Because we live in a world where for some reason people with no expertise think their opinions are just as valid as facts.

You don’t say...

[Tyruscobb]

When the Spanish Flu arrived the first thing people noticed was that it seemed to spare children and young people. Then the virus muted and killed many millions of children and young people. Shit happens.

This is a new disease we don't have a vaccine for.

Why is it so hard from some people to just heed a warning and listen to what people who know far more about it than you ever will are saying.

People are preparing and thinking like this is going to be equivalent to a three day blizzard. They are mistaken. This is the equivalent to a long winter. We are speaking months; not days or weeks. Educate yourself and Godspeed my friends.

[irv]

When the Spanish Flu arrived the first thing people noticed was that it seemed to spare children and young people. Then the virus muted and killed many millions of children and young people. Shit happens.

This is a new disease we don't have a vaccine for.

Why is it so hard from some people to just heed a warning and listen to what people who know far more about it than you ever will are saying.

Who says I'm not listening to people who know? Most, like I mentioned, get their facts from the media, which is causing this panic. Many doctor's believe this is much ado about nothing but you don't hear or see them on the news do you?
How come that is so hard for you to understand??

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/10/dr_drew_pinsky_coronavirus_panic_must_stop_press_n eeds_to_be_held_accountable_for_hurting_people.htm l
https://cnsnews.com/article/international/michael-w-chapman/us-flu-season-2017-18-45-million-flu-cases-61000-deaths

I also know a couple nurses. Here is one's response to a question I asked her what they have done in preparation for this.


All we have done at work as of today is put a few posters up asking generic questions like "have you traveled to an area known to have the virus". That is it.

Every year we do the same prep for this type of illness and its second nature. N95 mask fitting, education on isolation for airborne and droplet precautions etc....

Do I believe the media is blowing it WAY out of proportion? YES

I have seen many different types of virus's, respiratory illness, bacterial illness's and their effects on the body.
I've seen what true influenza can do.
The chance of influenza itself killing you is extremely very low if you are healthy.
BUT if you have pre-existing conditions and you get influenza (and lots of people think the stomach bug is influenza) the morbidity rate just go up up and up.
I'm not 100% sold on the "flu shot" either. I personally haven't got it in 4-5 years. I also don't push it on people at work or out of work.

And some more info:

While at least 60 cases of Covid-19 have been confirmed in the US, no one has died of it here, while this year's influenza has infected at least 29 million in the US and killed about 16,000 so far.
Covid-19 is spreading easily and sustainably in the Hubei province and other parts of China, and has been confirmed in more than two dozen other countries. While the global death toll has so far topped 2,700, it's good to remember that more than 80% of the Covid-19 cases have been mild, requiring little to no medical intervention, and it is much less deadly than severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), which are also coronaviruses.
Here is the best advice I can give you, to avoid any virus and flu: Be intentionally hygienic in public and during interactions with others. Hand hygiene is a cornerstone of infection prevention. Effective hand hygiene requires appropriate duration and thoroughness, which should be a goal each time our hands are cleaned.


Did you not read any of those articles I posted? People in Wuhan China are returning to work and school because the cases are subsiding along with the deaths.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51813876
http://voyapal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Be-careful-but-don%E2%80%99t-be-Panic-Everything-About-CoronaVirus.pdf

Does this really sound like it's something we should all be panicked over?

Nearly 70,000 people have recovered from coronavirus
Amid concerns over the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., it’s important to remember most who become infected recover from the illness.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/487280-nearly-70000-people-have-recovered-from

If you don't believe this panic is media driven, then I don't know what to tell you? If you want to keep living in fear, be my guest, but I'm going to carry on like I've always done and enjoy life instead of getting caught up in this fear mongering B.S.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-drew-media-panic-about-coronavirus-is-more-problematic-than-the-contagion
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-dr-abdu-sharkawy-coronavirus-fears-1.5490534
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/analysis-steven-lewis-covid-19-saskatchewan-1.5488688
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30379-2/fulltext

[KMayUSA6060]

When the Spanish Flu arrived the first thing people noticed was that it seemed to spare children and young people. Then the virus muted and killed many millions of children and young people. Shit happens.

This is a new disease we don't have a vaccine for.

Why is it so hard from some people to just heed a warning and listen to what people who know far more about it than you ever will are saying.

My biggest pet peeve with this whole thing, which discredits the warnings, is the inconsistencies with the response. For Ohio...

School is ok to attend tomorrow, but not for the next 3 weeks starting Monday/Tuesday. Meanwhile, with parents still at work, kids are going to be congregating with babysitters in large groups, or hanging out at the mall with friends from their school district and other school districts. Seems counterproductive.

Crowds of 100+ are not ok, but airports, grocery stores, office buildings, etc., remain functional. Not to mention 100+ in Ohio isn't ok but you can have up to 500 people together in NYC, 250 people in both Seattle and San Francisco, and so on.

Sporting events are not ok, even when no fans are in attendance, but regular civilians need to still go to work.

We want solutions, but places like the Cleveland Clinic have to wait for approval from the CDC (government), which delays those solutions.

Why are there inconsistencies? Is this not as bad as the media is making it out to be? Is it as serious as it's being made out to be and our decision makers just suck? There is such a thing as overreaction, and I don't believe it to be wrong to question what's going on. Standard precautions (washing hands, not going out when sick, etc.) and common sense prevail 9 times out of 10, minimum.

[irv]

It just makes me shake my head!! :(


https://www.facebook.com/ParmaraClan/videos/10156649515152352/

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1238178913085468674?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1238178913085468674&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freedomsledder.com%2Finde x.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26controller% 3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fbreaki ng911%2Fstatus%2F1238178913085468674%3Fs%3D21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-T7cGVVnA

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/business/coronavirus-global-panic-buying-toilet-paper/index.html

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/video-covid-19-fears-spur-apparent-toilet-paper-dash-at-langley-costco/

[cardsagain74]

When the Spanish Flu arrived the first thing people noticed was that it seemed to spare children and young people. Then the virus muted and killed many millions of children and young people. Shit happens.

This is a new disease we don't have a vaccine for.

Why is it so hard from some people to just heed a warning and listen to what people who know far more about it than you ever will are saying.

Of course. Comparing something present day to a flu from 100 years ago makes much more sense (one that only became disastrous because of hygiene, malnourishment, and medical camp/hospital issues that were much, much worse back then, no less).

As does creating a huge dent in the economy, especially for small businesses and struggling blue-collar workers. Over just the fear of much worse lethal mutations that, given how the situation in China is starting to subside already, might be just a remote possibility

[conor912]

? Is it as serious as it's being made out to be and our decision makers just suck?.

Mostly, it’s this. This thing caught the entire world by surprise and no one was prepared. On top of that, The US dragged their feet in responding and is now behind the ball, scrambling and basically making up solutions as we go. The measures seem drastic, because they are, but it’s better to do too much at this point than risk not doing enough.

The inconsistencies come from no one entity taking the reigns. Some of this is based on political posturing in an election year, some is due to denial and some is due to being caught with our pants down and slow to react. Now with no one agency at the helm, states are taking it upon themselves to do what they think is best and 50 governors are going to have 50 different ideas of what that is.

[seanofjapan]

Mostly, it’s this. This thing caught the entire world by surprise and no one was prepared. On top of that, The US dragged their feet in responding and is now behind the ball, scrambling and basically making up solutions as we go. The measures seem drastic, because they are, but it’s better to do too much at this point than risk not doing enough.

The inconsistencies come from no one entity taking the reigns. Some of this is based on political posturing in an election year, some is due to denial and some is due to being caught with our pants down and slow to react. Now with no one agency at the helm, states are taking it upon themselves to do what they think is best and 50 governors are going to have 50 different ideas of what that is.

I think I agree with this.

The markets around the world have tanked this week and the reason is that they expect the situation in the US to become way worse than it has in China, which is quite scary actually.

The reason is basically they don't see any effective response being formulated by the US government right now and its too late at this point to do much about that.

In China the response was kind of bungled from the start in a similar way - the leadership just tried to ignore and deny it for a while. But then they changed literally overnight from doing nothing to suddenly taking aggressive measures to contain it. And those seem to have worked, it looks like China will peak with fewer than 100,000 cases and about 4,000 deaths, which while tragic is way better than it could have been.

What has markets freaking out is that the outbreak in the US is already way past the point it was in China when it made that pivot. They only had a few hundred cases at that point and it was contained to a single region when the Central government started taking it seriously and imposing strict measures. In the US now it has already spread to almost all 50 states, and there are thousands of cases, maybe 10s of thousands given what little we know thanks to a lack of testing, and its spreading at an exponential rate.

And despite this, there still isn't really any plan for getting it under control being articulated by the Federal government. The opportunity to limit the damage to what China incurred has already been squandered and the markets recognize this. They seem to be pricing in an epidemic with numbers in the millions in the US and commensurate economic fallout.

I would not be buying stocks right now, nobody knows where the floor for this is.

[ullmandds]

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.
I think I agree with this.

The markets around the world have tanked this week and the reason is that they expect the situation in the US to become way worse than it has in China, which is quite scary actually.

The reason is basically they don't see any effective response being formulated by the US government right now and its too late at this point to do much about that.

In China the response was kind of bungled from the start in a similar way - the leadership just tried to ignore and deny it for a while. But then they changed literally overnight from doing nothing to suddenly taking aggressive measures to contain it. And those seem to have worked, it looks like China will peak with fewer than 100,000 cases and about 4,000 deaths, which while tragic is way better than it could have been.

What has markets freaking out is that the outbreak in the US is already way past the point it was in China when it made that pivot. They only had a few hundred cases at that point and it was contained to a single region when the Central government started taking it seriously and imposing strict measures. In the US now it has already spread to almost all 50 states, and there are thousands of cases, maybe 10s of thousands given what little we know thanks to a lack of testing, and its spreading at an exponential rate.

And despite this, there still isn't really any plan for getting it under control being articulated by the Federal government. The opportunity to limit the damage to what China incurred has already been squandered and the markets recognize this. They seem to be pricing in an epidemic with numbers in the millions in the US and commensurate economic fallout.

I would not be buying stocks right now, nobody knows where the floor for this is.

[KMayUSA6060]

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

I wouldn't be so quick to applaud China & Italy.

First of all, China began the cover-up of this virus in December. Numbers didn't start coming out until January, and even then & now, there is plenty of skepticism when it comes to the numbers released vs. reality. I have plenty of doubts on how much that situation is actually "clearing up" and even more doubts about the origins of the virus and China's intentions.

Second of all, Italy didn't close down Chinese travel until it was too late. They have 16 million people under quarantine, and are leaving infected, dead corpses in the homes because they aren't collecting them fast enough or at all for a certain period of time. They are even considering not caring for the elderly.

[irv]

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.


Nah, this panic/epidemic isn't politically motivated at all. :rolleyes: LMAO

[marzoumanian]

Greetings. I live in Chicago and was planning to go to the Fanatics show today out at Rosemont (by the airport).
I've been checking the website often, saw all the autograph cancellations and couldn't understand why they didn't already cancel for public safety reasons.
I just checked out the website a few minutes ago and now see that the entire weekend show HAS BEEN CANCELLED.
What did it take for Fanatics to cancel? The governor's banning of any gathering of more than 1000 people. In my opinion show operators should of acted much more quickly. So, thank you governor. Public safety should always rule.
Take care.

[ibuysportsephemera]

I was going to stay out of this because it is way to political (and in my opinion it shouldn't be). My wife is a Pharmacist so she doesn't get her news from Fox or MSNBC. The underlying problem for all of the deniers out there is that we have not been testing on a regular basis so we really don't know how many people are actually infected. 80% of us could get this virus and could be asymptomatic or have minor cold like symptoms. There is no vaccine so if 80% of the population continues to walk around spreading this we have somewhere around 60 million people at risk. Is it a plague to end the world...no, but if we are not careful and don't take appropriate measures now, it could be months before the virus is contained and the economic and life toll could be significant. Just my 2¢.


Jeff

[Goudey77]

Perfectly stated. The healthcare systems are at capacity.
On a side note the governor of Oregon has closed all K-12 schools through the end of March. Preventative measures at this point which is our only defense.

I was going to stay out of this because it is way to political (and in my opinion it shouldn't be). My wife is a Pharmacist so she doesn't get her news from Fox or MSNBC. The underlying problem for all of the deniers out there is that we have not been testing on a regular basis so we really don't know how many people are actually infected. 80% of us could get this virus and could be asymptomatic or have minor cold like symptoms. There is no vaccine so if 80% of the population continues to walk around spreading this we have somewhere around 60 million people at risk. Is it a plague to end the world...no, but if we are not careful and don't take appropriate measures now, it could be months before the virus is contained and the economic and life toll could be significant. Just my 2¢.


Jeff

[Republicaninmass]

Awful lot of political statements overflowing out of the sewer

[Phil68]

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

:rolleyes:

[Phil68]

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

I must ask...
what, exactly, was "dismantled" by the "current regime" that led to a global coronavirus outbreak? THIS has gotta be good...

Further, what was ever DONE by a previous administration to "safeguard" against such things?

Cite sources, please. Facts are always nice amidst the spew...

[Stampsfan]

We'll see how it plays out, but I think this is a knee jerk reaction.

On behalf of Canadians on this board, these posts are strictly those of the author (Dale, Irv) and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of most of Canada or Canadians.

[irv]

On behalf of Canadians on this board, these posts are strictly those of the author (Dale, Irv) and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of most of Canada or Canadians.

Well, of course they are. Who else would they belong to?

Are we no longer, or were we never allowed to have personal opinions on this site?

Any post from an American or a foreign member on here was suppose to represent that whole countries thoughts as well? News to me. :rolleyes:

Your post/comment is quite silly, SF, and quite embarrassing, to be honest, coming from another CDN. :o

[Goudey77]

Don't quote me but I heard PSA haulted grading services today. Announcement not official yet but it's a hot rumor right now.

[earlywynnfan]

I'm dumb enough to bite: how about defunding the White House Nat Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense team, who monitored potential outbreaks worldwide? Slightly scary reading an article from 2018 stating the threat of a pandemic flu as their number 1 concern

I must ask...
what, exactly, was "dismantled" by the "current regime" that led to a global coronavirus outbreak? THIS has gotta be good...

Further, what was ever DONE by a previous administration to "safeguard" against such things?

Cite sources, please. Facts are always nice amidst the spew...

[cardsagain74]

Nah, this panic/epidemic isn't politically motivated at all. :rolleyes: LMAO

Nor does it have anything to do with problematic media representation of anything. ;) That part is a lot more disturbing than anything else.

There were eight new cases reported in China yesterday. 8. No zeros. And that was back page news at best (you had to dig up something online that a Honolulu newspaper picked up from Bloomberg news to even have much chance of finding it at all):

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/03/12/breaking-news/chinas-number-of-new-coronavirus-infections-drops-to-single-digits-for-first-time/

This is great news that sheds much more light on how the virus might spread (or, in this case, stop spreading). So why was it not a story from major news outlets yesterday and today? Obviously because it's not something that keeps people's eyes glued to the screen. Panic sells; subduing any of the panic doesn't.

These things are so blatant that it's hard to imagine anyone could downplay how the media spins their news (especially about the virus recently) and the negative impact that can have on society, economically and otherwise

[Republicaninmass]

Don't quote me but I heard PSA haulted grading services today. Announcement not official yet but it's a hot rumor right now.

Absolutely quoting this

[Goudey77]

:D
Absolutely quoting this

[irv]

Nor does it have anything to do with problematic media representation of anything. ;) That part is a lot more disturbing than anything else.

There were eight new cases reported in China yesterday. 8. No zeros. And that was back page news at best (you had to dig up something online that a Honolulu newspaper picked up from Bloomberg news to even have much chance of finding it at all):

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/03/12/breaking-news/chinas-number-of-new-coronavirus-infections-drops-to-single-digits-for-first-time/

This is great news that sheds much more light on how the virus might spread (or, in this case, stop spreading). So why was it not a story from major news outlets yesterday and today? Obviously because it's not something that keeps people's eyes glued to the screen. Panic sells; subduing any of the panic doesn't.

These things are so blatant that it's hard to imagine anyone could downplay how the media spins their news (especially about the virus recently) and the negative impact that can have on society, economically and otherwise

I was watching CP-24 up here yesterday and there was a conference with either Provincial or Federal health ministers.
The questions being asked and answered were all the doom and gloom type but legitimate questions nonetheless.

Anyways, once these were all answered, a lady in the audience asked a simple question about the recovering rates and how many people have survived this will no ill effects.
Before the health professionals/ministers could even answer, CP-24 broke from the info session and went to a "Breaking News" story about how the school boards, have yet again, rejected an offer from the gov't about their ongoing contract dispute.

We all have our opinions, and this could just be a coincidence, but this labor disruption has been going on for weeks now so I don't honestly know, considering the panic currently around covid 19, how they could break from such an important info session the moment this lady asked this question??

Things that make you go, Hmm.

[bnorth]

Perfectly stated. The healthcare systems are at capacity.
On a side note the governor of Oregon has closed all K-12 schools through the end of March. Preventative measures at this point which is our only defense.

That is great but where are all these young kids going to go with both parents working? To find the good side, maybe that condo in Newport I'm looking at will be cheap.:)

[tschock]

I'm dumb enough to bite: how about defunding the White House Nat Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense team, who monitored potential outbreaks worldwide? Slightly scary reading an article from 2018 stating the threat of a pandemic flu as their number 1 concern

Thank you, Mayor Bloomberg. I'll provide the citation for you, in case you missed it. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/

[earlywynnfan]

Thank you, Mayor Bloomberg. I'll provide the citation for you, in case you missed it. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/

Thanks for linking it for me:
"Multiple Democrats, including Bloomberg and Biden, have criticized Trump for getting rid of a pandemic response position on the National Security Council. The position was eliminated, although John Bolton, then-national security adviser, was the person directly responsible."

[Frank A]

Nobody could have stopped this and to say they could have is assanine. No country in the world has stopped it and will not This thing has to run it's coarse and then it will subside. All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this is a nut case. Blaming the President is just plain Stupid.

[seanofjapan]

Nobody could have stopped this and to say they could have is assanine. No country in the world has stopped it and will not This thing has to run it's coarse and then it will subside. All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this is a nut case. Blaming the President is just plain Stupid.

South Korea and China actually have stopped it by taking aggressive measures to do so. Just taking a “let it run its course” approach is a recipe for disaster.

[tschock]

Thanks for linking it for me:
"Democrats have criticized President Donald Trump for his administration’s response to the new coronavirus, making claims about cuts to public health programs and the silencing of government experts. But they haven’t always gotten their facts right:
Multiple Democrats, including Bloomberg and Biden, have criticized Trump for getting rid of a pandemic response position on the National Security Council. The position was eliminated, although John Bolton, then-national security adviser, was the person directly responsible."

You're welcome. To provide context to your quote, I added the preceding sentences to those bullet points (including your quoted one), just in case you missed that. :)

[irv]

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/

CNN accusing "someone" of being racist and a xenophobe for calling the Coronovirus the Wuhan virus or the China Virus. Is CNN really this dumb where they, themselves, forgot what they also called it?

https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1238213711900393473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1238213711900393473&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freedomsledder.com%2Finde x.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26controller% 3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fpeterj hasson%2Fstatus%2F1238213711900393473%3Fs%3D21

[earlywynnfan]

You're welcome. To provide context to your quote, I added the preceding sentences to those bullet points (including your quoted one), just in case you missed that. :)

I didn't miss it, it did not relate to my point. You appear very interested in making this a Trump/NonTrump thing, I have no interest in that. Feel free to argue with others, I would rather care about my students, my family, and my friends, no matter if they wear a D or an R on their hats.

[Exhibitman]

Nobody could have stopped this and to say they could have is assanine. No country in the world has stopped it and will not This thing has to run it's coarse and then it will subside. All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this is a nut case. Blaming the President is just plain Stupid.

Now who can argue with genuine American gibberish like that? Just a thought, but perhaps the next time you decide to attack people for being stupid or sarcastically call them geniuses for not agreeing with you or your beloved fearless leader, maybe get someone who can read and write at better than a 9th grade remedial level to proof the post for you. The words you are searching for are "asinine", "its", and "course". The next to last sentence should read: "All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this are nut cases."

Just to be sure you don't think I am criticizing the way you expressed yourself rather than the content of your statement, I have carefully considered your brilliant defense of the regime's incompetent, late and grudging response to the pandemic and can think of only one response that seems appropriate: nuts!

[Frank A]

[QUOTE=Exhibitman;1961926]Now who can argue with genuine American gibberish like that? Just a thought, but perhaps the next time you decide to attack people for being stupid or sarcastically call them geniuses for not agreeing with you or your beloved fearless leader, maybe get someone who can read and write at better than a 9th grade remedial level to proof the post for you. The words you are searching for are "asinine", "its", and "course". The next to last sentence should read: "All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this are nut cases."

Just to be sure you don't think I am criticizing the way you expressed yourself rather than the content of your statement, I have carefully considered your brilliant defense of the regime's incompetent, late and grudging response to the pandemic and can think of only one response that seems appropriate: nuts![/QU I really hate the spelling police, I guess your one of them. I guess your one of the people who judge everybody. Petty life you have.OTE]

[buymycards]

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[RCMcKenzie]

I don't remember if it was a book or a movie where Howard Hughes locked himself inside an apartment and didn't leave for months. He had boxes and boxes of tissues and would not touch anything with his hands. He closed the blinds and watched movies all day.

I remember thinking it was weird that my grandfather didn't know who the Beatles were, now I totally understand. Back to the movies... At least we can still buy cards online. I'm not planning on attending any shows any time soon...Rob

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

There aren't many shows in my neck of the woods, so I can't miss what I never had.

[Santo10Fan]

I don't remember if it was a book or a movie where Howard Hughes locked himself inside an apartment and didn't leave for months. He had boxes and boxes of tissues and would not touch anything with his hands. He closed the blinds and watched movies all day... The Aviator. Also features best depiction of a plane crash on film IMO

[Frank A]

South Korea and China actually have stopped it by taking aggressive measures to do so. Just taking a “let it run its course” approach is a recipe for disaster.

China is full of shit. Trusting China is a disaster waiting to happen.

[samosa4u]

China is full of shit. Trusting China is a disaster waiting to happen.

+1

[quinnsryche]

Getting back to the original question, they cancelled the card show in Nashville today and canceled the big 3 day show in Chicago also this weekend.

[seanofjapan]

China is full of shit. Trusting China is a disaster waiting to happen.

Agreed. But we don’t need to trust the Chinese government. A few weeks ago their caseload was growing at an exponential rate. They would be dealing with millions of cases by now if they didn’t get it under control, way too many for them to cover up.

So while I don’t trust the Chinese government, I do believe that the situation is under control there just based on the evidence we can see.

Also South Korea, a democratic country I have been to many times, has also brought it under control and I generally to have a lot of confidence in what its government is saying.

[nsaddict]

Not sure why so many have to go off topic on a regular basis? Isn't that what the watercooler section is for?

To respond to the OP, the April 17-19 Shriners show in Wilmington MA has be canceled.

[chalupacollects]

China is full of shit. Trusting China is a disaster waiting to happen.

Quote=Kyle M

I wouldn't be so quick to applaud China & Italy.

First of all, China began the cover-up of this virus in December. Numbers didn't start coming out until January, and even then & now, there is plenty of skepticism when it comes to the numbers released vs. reality. I have plenty of doubts on how much that situation is actually "clearing up" and even more doubts about the origins of the virus and China's intentions.

Second of all, Italy didn't close down Chinese travel until it was too late. They have 16 million people under quarantine, and are leaving infected, dead corpses in the homes because they aren't collecting them fast enough or at all for a certain period of time. They are even considering not caring for the elderly.[/QUOTE]


Yes, think about this for all the conspiracy folks or those who think China is our friend:

Where exactly did the virus come from? A Chinese Bio-weapons facility? Maybe someone goofed up and dropped a vial or two and it proliferated from there? Or people were purposely infected?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/

Or was this a clever bio-weapon test run by the Chinese to test the effectiveness of the virus (it does mutate) and also gauge the world's response to its spread?

Also to guage the resulting economic impact on the world?
China does own a huge amount of US Treasury debt.... and exports plenty of pharmaceuticals and medical components to the USA...

World War 3 without the destruction???

Food for thought...

[keithsky]

I was the OP on this asking about any shows that might have been cancelled because of Corona and after a few days turns to this political bullshit. Can't believe how one question turns so upside down. My original question had no political question so how it got so far off is asinine. Just my 2 cents. Time to end this post.

[Shoeless Moe]

All this mass hysteria is media created. Everyone at CNN, FOX etc., need to stop stoking the fire.

It's a Flu people.....there is the flu every year.

Read this article from 2018:

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

80,000 died that winter of the FLU in the US (WINTER 2017-2018). WHY WASN'T THERE MASS HYSTERIA THEN??? The media was too busy going after Trump, now they get some downtime after the impeachment, lets stoke the fire. Up go the ratings.

This year 58 !!!!!!!! have died from Corona. 58 in the US.

Basically an average of 1 person per state. We have 327 million in the US. 58 have died....a mass shooting could have more then that.

This is the biggest overblown thing I've ever seen. 58 people dead. Even if that goes to 5-10,000, that ain't 80,000.

3000 people have the Corona virus, probably more, ok fine, shit 3,000 people have a flu virus in Chicago alone any given winter month on any given year.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Also. in the article flu peaks in Feb and dies down end of March. Same thing will happen here, ok maybe delayed a little and this one is about to peak in March and dies out a week or 2 into April.


China where it started, where it was the worst, 3200 have died.......1.38 billion people live there, that's seriously a drop in the bucket. And just like the 2018 article China peaked in Feb and now its dying out in March like clockwork.....see the opening of all Apple stores in China, Shit I can name 20 diseases that take out more then 3,000 a year. just amazing how this has been hyped........maybe it wasn't CNN and Fox but Proctor & Gamble behind this, they are wiping their asses to the bank...haha!!!


The pussification of America!


PLAY BALL!!!!!!