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Shoeless Moe
12-27-2019, 12:26 PM
The top 50 most hated in baseball history.

These are not ranked in order; they are simply placed in alphabetical order by the player's first name.


A.J. Pierzynski
1 OF 50
Here's the funny thing about A.J. Pierzynski: If he's on your team, you love him (except when he was a San Francisco Giant). It's just everyone else in baseball that hates him.

Pierzynski is a throwback, get-under-your-skin type of catcher that just seems to rub everyone the wrong way.

If his trash talking wasn't enough, his arrogance and cockiness certainly help to push it over the top.



Albert Belle
2 OF 50
What makes Albert Belle so hated?

Let's see...one of baseball's all-time worst tempers, check. Profanity-laced tirades directed at the media and fans, check. Hit a fan in the chest for heckling him, check. Tried to run over trick-or-treaters with his SUV on Halloween, check.

Let's not forget using a corked bat, also check.

To make matters even worse, Belle was a very good and feared hitter during his time, making him even more hated by opposing fans.

I'd certainly say Belle qualifies for this list...


Alex Rodriguez
3 OF 50
Alex Rodriguez is both one of baseball's all-time greatest talents and all-time most hated players.

Spurning the team that drafted him for a record $250 million contract probably wasn't the greatest start. Fans don't seem to like when players make absurd amounts of money and then still have the nerve to complain about their situations.

A-Rod did just that when he practically begged his way out of Texas by offering to restructure his deal to facilitate a trade to Boston.

Of course, Boston fans hate him for ending up with the Yankees, and a good portion of Yankee fans hate him for choking repeatedly in clutch situations. Opting out of his record deal to sign another record-breaking deal also didn't help.

Oh, and just for good measure, he's also considered one of the game's biggest phonies, and he is a known steroid cheater.

If I were ranking these in order of most hated, you could be assured A-Rod would be in the top five.


Armando Benitez
4 OF 50
Armando Benitez doesn't necessarily deserve to be hated.

He had the misfortune of being a closer, one of the most thankless jobs in baseball. When you succeed at your job, it is expected; after all, that is your job. When you fail, you let everyone down!

Benitez's weight factored into some fans' dislike of him, as they saw it as a lack of commitment to his physical-conditioning program and thus a lack of effort for his profession and team.

Blowing a good portion of his postseason opportunities did not help his case much either—six blown saves over four postseason series.


Babe Ruth
5 OF 50
Sure, history remembers Babe Ruth fondly, but make no mistake about it: He was equally hated as much as he was loved during his playing days.

For one thing, as good as he was, he was still sold from the Baltimore Orioles to the Boston Red Sox and then from the Red Sox to the New York Yankees.

His presence with the Yankees was directly responsible for several missed World Series opportunities for Boston.

To make matters worse, he was a giant braggart, something opposing fans don't tend to like very much.

Ruth once famously claimed to have had a better year than President Herbert Hoover. Hoover earned $75,000 as President of the United States, while Ruth earned a then-record $80,000.

Ruth also claimed he could have hit .600 had he tried for singles rather than home runs.

Just look at it this way—he was the LeBron James or Kobe Bryant of his day.


Barry Bonds
6 OF 50
Barry Bonds' hatred spiked as he approached, and eventually took down, the all-time home run record.

Make no mistake, though—Bonds was disliked long before he hit No. 756.

He was considered a grumpy player, surly to the fans and media and hard to get along with for his teammates.

Among the other things about Bonds that fans don't like, he was very aware of his talent, and his arrogance and cockiness showed a little too obviously and frequently.

Oh yeah, he was also an obvious steroid cheater that thought all fans were too stupid to realize it, and now, in the minds of many fans, the home run record is forever tainted (or at least until a "clean" player reclaims it).

Basically, baseball wanted anyone but Bonds to break the record, yet he still got it.


Bill Buckner
7 OF 50
Bill Buckner has been forgiven now, but his error in extra innings of Game 6 in the 1986 World Series earned him plenty of hatred for a long time in Boston.

So much hatred, in fact, that he earns a place among baseball's all-time most hated despite only offending one fanbase.


Billy Martin
8 OF 50
Billy Martin is best known as a manager, but he started building his reputation back during his playing days.

Martin was mostly hated during his time in baseball for being considered an alcoholic brawler, always ready for a fight, argument and confrontation, both on and off the field.

Unfortunately, at times, these activities were often paired with an unwillingness to accept responsibility or blame for his actions.

Many of his managerial qualities made him beloved to a lot of people around baseball as well, though.

Martin was both a baseball genius and misunderstood, but I bet if he were still alive, he wouldn't care what you thought about him anyway.


Carl Everett
9 OF 50
Carl Everett is one of those players that sadly never lived up to his full potential.

There was a time where he was the most dangerous clutch hitter in the game and could have become a multiple MVP winner had he not gotten in his own way.

He was easy to dislike for stories such as a child custody hearing that had his daughter, Shawna, taken from his custody and placed in the care of her maternal grandmother because of "excessive corporal punishment." To be fair to Everett, he was not the parent accused of inflicting the abuse, but he was accused of not doing anything to prevent it.

He also confronted fans at times, lectured teammates with ridiculous monologues that caused many of them to simply avoid him and would be rather blunt and to the point about his disdain for opposing players.

Let's face it—while his teammates respected his talent, they didn't care for him. Opposing players hated him. Fans weren't tolerant of him for very long. Just for good measure, dinosaurs probably hate him as well (he did state that they never existed and their bones were all man-made, after all).


Carl Mays
10 OF 50
Carl Mays was one of the most unpopular players in baseball during his time, even among his own teammates.

He was said to have had an abrasive personality that made it very hard for anyone to get along with him.

He also happened to be a pitcher that was known for headhunting when he pitched.

Unfortunately, and obviously not intentionally, one of those pitches found the head of Ray Chapman on August 16, 1920, claiming the life of the talented Cleveland Indians shortstop.

Unpopular before, hated after.


Carlos Zambrano
11 OF 50
If you're a current baseball fan, you won't need much explanation here.

Carlos Zambrano was a very good pitcher. Now, he's a very angry and explosive personality who has managed to earn suspensions and has at times walked away from his team.

He's overpaid, can't be traded without his permission and has the reputation of being a clubhouse cancer.

He's apparently not all that great to the Chicago media either, so not much chance of hiding any negative portrayals from the public view. We all get to see him for the hated jerk he seems to be.

Maybe if he could start pitching well again, we'd conveniently forget for a while.


Chuck Knoblauch
12 OF 50
Chuck Knoblauch earned his hatred for two main reasons:

1) He demanded a trade out of Minnesota after being the face of their franchise and bashed his former employer and their fans on his way out the door.

2) He wound up a New York Yankee and went on to win three World Series rings in 1998, 1999 and 2000.

Fans don't tend to like it when a player offends an entire fanbase and winds up rewarded for such a traitorous act.

With the Yankees, he forgot how to throw a ball from second base to first base and ultimately found himself moved to the outfield before being released following the 2001 season.

He played the 2002 season for the Royals—his last before retiring.


Curt Schilling
13 OF 50
Curt Schilling finds his way onto this list for being an opinionated loudmouth.

Honestly, I believe had he simply let his pitching do the talking for him, he would not be hated by anyone (outside of Philadelphia, that is).

He won World Series with both the Arizona Diamondbacks and the Boston Red Sox but just couldn't quit talking...

Although it didn't personally bother me, the infamous blood-stained sock seems to bother a good percentage of baseball fans as well.


Darryl Strawberry
14 OF 50
Darryl Strawberry should have been a superstar and potential Hall of Fame-worthy player.

His problems with drug addiction never allowed him to live up to his potential.

I'd like to think that baseball fans don't hate Strawberry as a person, but rather, only hate that he failed to overcome his personal demons while occupying a spot on the 25-man roster of their teams.

He doesn't win back any points for his involvement in certain brawls that occupy his playing résumé either, though.

He fought Keith Hernandez, who was a teammate at the time, back in 1989 and also sucker-punched Armando Benitez in the back of the head while a member of the Yankees later in his career.


Dave Kingman
15 OF 50
Dave Kingman seemed to hate everything and everyone, perhaps even baseball itself.

His persona did not win points with anyone anywhere that he played.

The guy didn't redeem himself with his on-field production either. The only thing he could do effectively was hit home runs, but not enough of them to win back the fans (who he probably hated right back anyway).


Dick Allen
16 OF 50
Dick Allen is another player cursed by a surly attitude.

Although some people say he was just misunderstood, his demeanor and overall persona did not make him a very likable player during his career.

He's arguably worthy of induction into Cooperstown, but his dealings with the media did not lead to any eligible voters doing him any favors either.


Eddie Cicotte
17 OF 50
Eddie Cicotte was one of the members of the Black Sox team that threw the World Series.

Cicotte's involvement apparently was spurned by his anger over being denied an opportunity at a contractual bonus he would have received had he won his 30th game of the season. At least this has been the subject of speculation and debate for years.

He reached 29 wins, and owner Charles Comiskey ordered he not be used the remainder of the season to prevent him from earning the bonus.

Regardless, Cicotte was undeniably a member of the fix and responsible for the lost World Series.

Fixing games (or betting on baseball) is baseball's cardinal sin and the reason Cicotte makes it on this list.

I realize that he is the only member of the eight that were banned for life that I am including, but this was a list of 50, and quite frankly Joe Jackson is not hated and his involvement is still questioned. The rest of the Black Sox are not really remembered as well as Cicotte or Jackson.

Other members of the Black Sox scandal: Chick Gandil, Buck Weaver, Lefty Williams, Oscar Felsch, Fred McMullin and Charles Risberg.


Francisco Rodriguez
18 OF 50
Once again, arrogance and cockiness are the top reasons for a player being hated.

In the case of Francisco Rodriguez, these two "qualities," paired with some bad publicity for hitting his father-in-law, have villainized him in baseball.

Keeping with the theme I established with Armando Benitez, he also has the misfortune, if you will, of being a closer.

Every time he blows a save, his home fans will hate him. Every time he does his job and completes the save, the opposing team and fans will hate him.

His celebration following a save doesn't help matters any.


Garry Templeton
19 OF 50
We can start things off by explaining why Cardinals fans hate Garry Templeton.

After failing to run out a ground ball in August of 1981, the home fans booed Templeton. His response? The middle finger to the entire stadium.

He was traded after that, for Ozzie Smith. Guess that one kind of worked out for Cardinal fans, but he still left a lasting impression on St. Louis.

Actually, this also explains San Diego Padres fans' hatred of Garry Templeton: They lost Ozzie Smith in exchange for him, after all.


Gary Sheffield
20 OF 50
Gary Sheffield is baseball's ultimate mercenary, and for that, he is hated around baseball—probably no more so than in Milwaukee, though.

Sheffield has a knack for being a star when he wants to be and dogging it when he wants to force his way out of a situation.

Sheffield also launched a now infamous rant in which he said baseball liked Hispanic/Latino ballplayers because they were "controllable," while African-American ballplayers were not, insinuating that baseball was purposely forcing African-American players out of the league.

He accused his manager of racism in New York.

He was also linked to the BALCO scandal and is linked to the PED problem in baseball.


Hal Chase
21 OF 50
Hal Chase was widely considered the greatest first baseman of his time. He is also one of the most dishonest and disliked players ever.

Chase is known as a game-fixer, willing to lie down and lose a game at any time for the right price.

He was the villain of baseball before the Black Sox scandal.


Hank Aaron
22 OF 50
This one will be controversial, I know.

Hank Aaron is one of Major League Baseball's most beloved and celebrated players, today.

I do not mean to take anything at all from his accomplishments or his great career. He is the man many of us wish still held baseball's all-time home run record.

That said, as he was chasing down Babe Ruth and ultimately passed him on the all-time list, Hank Aaron was one of the most hated men in America, not just baseball.

He had to play through extreme racism and bigotry, dealing with death threats along the way.

His career is reviewed in the proper perspective now, but looking at this strictly in a historical context, during his playing career, he was hated by a large demographic of America while he was still active in the game.


Jackie Robinson
23 OF 50
Another controversial inclusion, and one that I hope you will again view strictly through a historical context.

Jackie Robinson was the first player to break the color barrier in baseball. As a result, he had to deal with opposition from fans, opponents and his own teammates.

As the players on his own team got to know him as a person, their objections subsided.

Robinson had to deal with many cruelties and even death threats as he played his career.

Among the white players at the time and the fans, he was public enemy No. 1 for a while.

Today, his contributions to the game and door he opened for generations of minority players to follow are celebrated in baseball—and rightfully so.

Much like with Hank Aaron, I hate to include Jackie Robinson on this list, but from a historical perspective only, they both fit.


Jeff Kent
24 OF 50
Not getting along with Barry Bonds did not make fans hate Jeff Kent; if anything, that should have earned him some points.

Kent finds his way on this list for never knowing when to shut his mouth.

The guy called out Vin Scully, for crying out loud, WHILE HE WAS STILL PLAYING FOR THE DODGERS!

Need I say more?


Jim Rice
25 OF 50
Jim Rice's surliness and general demeanor towards reporters and fans are considered a major reason that it took him so long to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

I don't agree that writers kept him out of Cooperstown because they didn't like him, but it is certainly fair to assume their descriptions in print helped shape his image.

Whether fair or not, if you don't treat the media well, their portrayal of you will reflect that. Since fans don't get to personally interact with the team and form their own opinions based on those experiences, media reports play an important part in whether a player is liked or disliked beyond his contributions on the field.


John McGraw
26 OF 50
John McGraw was one of the dirtiest players baseball has ever known.

He would routinely trip players rounding third base, spike them, grab their belt loops to hold them back and keep them from tagging up.

Imagine if he were alive and playing today. How would those replays look on the internet, Facebook, Twitter and, well, Bleacher Report?

He'd be right up there with A-Rod's yelling and glove-slapping incidents, if he didn't surpass him already.


John Rocker
27 OF 50
Is an explanation really needed?

I'll keep it brief. Racist. Bigot. Homophobe. Loudmouth. All-around jerk.

Does that about sum it up?

Oh yeah, that pesky closer thing also plays into it. Hated when he blew a save by his home fans, hated when he nailed down a save by the opposing team and fans.


Jose Canseco
28 OF 50
As Don King said on Jim Rome's radio show in 2005, "Well, Jose Canseco is a practitioner of rat-finkism."

King may have made up a few words that my editors here are not going to like editing, but he has a point.

No one likes a rat. Regardless of the fact that Canseco has been proven truthful with just about everything he has stated, he also backstabbed and thrown numerous teammates under the bus to help his book sales.


Jose Guillen
29 OF 50

Guillen's volatile temper did not win him any points with his teammates, opponents or fans of either side.

He bounced around baseball for years before ultimately finding his way out of the game last season following being busted for an HGH shipment that was tracked to his new residence in San Francisco.



Kenny Rogers
30 OF 50
Have I not already said that being mean to the media is a good way to lose points in the court of public opinion/perception?

Honestly, were it not for this incident (pictured) between Kenny Rogers and a cameraman while he played for the Texas Rangers, he probably would not find his way onto this list.

The thing about this incident, though, is Rogers attacked two cameramen. When one of the cameramen got up after being knocked down and resumed filming, Rogers knocked him back down a second time.


Kyle Farnsworth
31 OF 50
Kyle Farnsworth is one of those players that earns his spot on this list for his shortcomings despite seemingly having all the natural talent in the world.

Don't get me wrong; he's a good pitcher, but he seems to drive the home fans crazy with disappointing outings based on high expectations.

Oh yeah, if a player on your home team happens to charge the mound against Farnsworth, you might not like him either.

Type "Kyle Farnsworth fight" into YouTube and you'll see what I mean.


Lastings Milledge
32 OF 50
Lastings Milledge doesn't deserve the level of hate that has been directed at him throughout his career, but still, it is definitely there.

He got off to a bad start by "hot-dogging" some plays in the earliest part of his major-league career with the Mets.

Showing up your opponents isn't any way to become well liked.


Manny Ramirez
33 OF 50
1) Manny being Manny.

2) Manny quitting on team to get a trade.

3) Women's fertility drugs and a 50-game suspension (cheater).

4) Bad defense and the appearance of lack of effort (at times).

5) Second failed drug test and 100-game suspension, dodged for retirement instead (two-time cheater)...

That about sums it up...


Milton Bradley
34 OF 50
Milton Bradley has been run out of town by every team he has played for, finally resulting in his exit from baseball this season after the Seattle Mariners released him.

Bradley was an indisputable talent on the field, but he was derailed by injuries that frustrated his fans and a volatile temper that did not endear him to anyone in either dugout.

Off-field incidents with police during his time in Cleveland and most recently with a pair of arrests for domestic-violence incidents against his wife while he was with the Mariners have helped secure his image as one of the most hated people in baseball.


Mitch Williams
35 OF 50
Following in the Bill Buckner mold, Mitch Williams is now forgiven and welcomed, but for a long time, he was hated for his failures and their effect on the Phillies.

Specifically, it was one failure: the home run he gave up to Joe Carter to end the 1993 World Series.

Hey, Philly fans booed Santa Claus—did you really think they wouldn't hate their closer despite all his success for that one failure?

He's loved in Philly now, though, so all is forgiven, it seems.


Nyjer Morgan
36 OF 50
Nyjer Morgan is loved in Milwaukee but hated pretty much everywhere else.

Although his Twitter account is rather amusing, as he uses his alter ego, Tony Plush, to interact with fans and tell amusing baseball stories, he has established a reputation as a "thug" that likes to showboat and antagonize opposing players.

Earlier this year one reporter with NESN asked the question of whether Morgan was becoming the most hated man in baseball after picking an internet fight with Albert Pujols, calling him "Alberta" repeatedly.


Ozzie Guillen
37 OF 50
Once again, being outspoken and controversial is a good way to get a good portion of the fans to hate you.

The thing is, Ozzie Guillen wants you to hate him (and his team, for that matter).

To his credit, Ozzie realizes that people don't tend to hate a player or manager that is not good; it's just not worth the effort.

His expletive-laced rants, racial comments and gestures (such as the one pictured here) don't tend to win over too many opposing fans, though—or a faction of your own fanbase either.

Pedro Martinez
38 OF 50
Generally speaking, throwing senior citizens to the ground and seeming very proud of yourself is not a good way to get people to like you.

Being the most dominant pitcher on the planet for a period of time and mowing down opposing lineups is also not a good way to get opposing fans to like you—although it is a great way to become highly respected and build your legacy among the greatest pitchers in the game.

Back to the negative though. Pedro Martinez couldn't seem to get out of his own way with what was perceived to be cockiness and an inability to shut his mouth at times.

If he was on your team, you'd love him, though. Who wouldn't with the "stuff" he could throw?


Pete Rose
39 OF 50
I don't really know if Pete Rose qualifies as a sympathetic baseball figure or not. The vote seems split on that.

He's the all-time leader in hits—that's indisputable—but he is also a liar and potentially a cheater.

He bet on baseball. Then he denied betting on baseball for more than a decade.

He accepted a lifetime ban from the sport only to then spend the better part of the next decade complaining about how it was an unfair punishment to fit the crime.

He finally acknowledged betting on baseball, but only when it was financially beneficial to him in a book release.

He also took out Ray Fosse in an All-Star game and served a 30-day suspension for shoving an umpire. So we can add being a dirty player to the list of betting crimes against the game.


Rafael Palmeiro
40 OF 50
If it weren't for that finger wag he did in Congress, Rafael Palmeiro probably would not be one of baseball's 50 most hated.

In the minds of many reading this, he may not be anyway...

Palmeiro wasted a Hall of Fame-worthy career with a bad decision to take performance-enhancing drugs after testifying to Congress that he had never taken steroids or performance-enhancing drugs. Of course, he then wagged his finger at them to solidify his point and added "period" to the end of his statement.

A few short months later, he became the first player suspended under baseball's new steroid-testing policy. Ironic.


Reggie Jackson
41 OF 50
Reggie Jackson's arrogance and theatrics just seemed to rub people the wrong way.

He's a proven winner and one of the most feared power hitters of all time, but there is just something about the guy that many baseball fans just don't like.



Rickey Henderson
42 OF 50
Rickey Henderson may have been the greatest baseball player of all time. He certainly was the greatest base stealer and leadoff hitter of all time.

The problem is that Rickey knew it, and Rickey would let you know it too.

Rickey thought Rickey was so good that Rickey should call himself Rickey also.

Once again, arrogance and cockiness don't make you beloved.

I grew up an A's fan, though, so personally, I love Rickey Henderson!

Rob Dibble
43 OF 50
Rob Dibble's short temper led to hatred during his playing career.

Thanks to my colleague Robert Knapel here at Bleacher Report, I have the following information to pass on as to why:

Rob Dibble not only made a name for himself during his major-league career with his talent but also with his temper. He was known for having a very short fuse and was involved in a number of incidents.

1991 was not a good year for Dibble, as he was involved in a number of controversies. He threw a ball into the stands after a game that hit a woman in the face, and he also threw a ball at Eric Yelding as he was running up the first-base line.

Dibble also got into two fights that year. One fight was with Doug Dascenzo of the Houston Astros, while the other was a brawl with his own manager, Lou Piniella.

Of course, Dibble hasn't won many fans back with his broadcasting abilities either. Dibble hasn't quite reached the "firejoemorgan.com" status yet among broadcasters, but he certainly does have a following of fans who love to hate him.


Roberto Alomar
44 OF 50
Roberto Alomar earns points towards his hatred tally for a disappointing stint with the New York Mets that left an entire fanbase disappointed, but really, it was the incident pictured here that placed him firmly on this list.

Following an argued call on September 27, 1996, in the top of the first inning, Alomar lost control and spat in the face of umpire John Hirschbeck.

Rather than being accountable for his actions, Alomar offered the excuse that Hirschbeck uttered a racial slur and then proceeded to say that Hirschbeck had changed his personality and become bitter following the death of his son.

Supposedly, the two have made peace since that incident, although I have to say Hirschbeck is more forgiving than I would have been.


Roger Clemens
45 OF 50
Roger Clemens is hated by Boston Red Sox fans for wearing the Yankee uniform.

He was hated by Yankee fans before joining their team because he played for Boston (forgiven for that transgression when he helped them win a World Series).

Mike Piazza and Mets fans hate him for throwing a piece of broken bat (pictured here) at the slugger in the World Series.

And America hates him for being a steroid cheater and denying it.

Did I miss anything?


Rogers Hornsby
46 OF 50
During his playing career, Rogers Hornsby was short with his teammates and fans, lacked a sense of humor and was offensively straight to the point and blunt when it came to his dealings with others within the sport (and outside of it).

His dealings with teammates and coaches resulted in his being traded as a player and ultimately fired as a manager and being out of baseball.


Roger Maris
47 OF 50
Once again, I must give you the "historical context" disclaimer.

Roger Maris is a very well-thought-of player today. Many people around baseball still view his 61 homers as the rightful single-season home run record.

No one in baseball at the time wanted Maris to be the guy to break Babe Ruth's record. Everyone wanted Mickey Mantle to hold the record.

He was cheered at the time, but it quickly turned to hatred and a resentment that he held the record and not Mantle.

This piece (click here) in Sports Illustrated by Robert Creamer in May of 1963 explains the situation perfectly, and given that it was written in the midst of the hatred, it is unaffected by history changing our views:

Well, Maris is disliked because his behavior on the field—and, as the press reports it, off the field—indicates that he is a petulant, self-pitying, constantly irritated man. He shows contempt for the crowds that hoot at him, for the fans and reporters who ask him obvious and tiresome questions, for the celebrity hunters who badger him and pursue him into the crevices of his privacy. Mostly, though, he is disliked because he has proved to be such an unsatisfactory hero.

When he was just another good ballplayer the crowd did not care—if it knew—that he was a redneck. When he went after Babe Ruth's record of 60 home runs in one season and broke it, things changed. He was automatically a hero. What the crowd wants first in a hero is a man who can do things, and Maris certainly could do things. What it wants next is a hero with poise and self-assurance, someone it can like as well as admire. Admiration of a hero is essentially admiration of self. When the hero blows his success, when he behaves as stupidly and uncertainly as we might behave ourselves, then self-admiration turns to self-hatred, the harshest form of hate. When Maris, successor to Ruth, showed that he didn't know how to handle the praise and the adulation, he was the personification of the inadequate self, the man who thinks of what he should have said the day after he should have said it. That is how Roger Maris let everyone down—as a hero he was a grievous disappointment—and that is why he is booed.


Sammy Sosa
48 OF 50
In 1998, we loved Sammy Sosa. Love turned to hate rather quickly, though.

In the case of Sammy, it's pretty simple.

He cheated. But he didn't just cheat the game; he cheated all of us out of an accomplishment that was revered in the game and by its fans.

Yes, Mark McGwire actually set the record, and I may be letting him off the hook. Is it unfair? Yes.

But Sammy eclipsed the magical mark of 61 more than any person ever in the game, combined.

He was caught using a corked bat, and he was called in front of Congress under suspicion that he used PEDs.

While McGwire certainly has his share of hatred among baseball fans and specifically baseball purists, I would argue that Sosa is the bigger violator and villain. McGwire just doesn't quite crack the top 50, although he is close.

Sosa definitely earned his spot though.


Vince Coleman
49 OF 50
Basically, Vince Coleman was just a jerk.

The best example is the incident in which Coleman decided to throw a firecracker into a crowd of autograph seekers outside Dodger Stadium, injuring three children—one a two-year-old girl.

A few months prior, he hurt Dwight Gooden's arm by swinging a golf club in the clubhouse recklessly (although that incident was an accident, the firecracker was intentional).

Ty Cobb
50 OF 50
Okay, I went slightly outside of my alphabetical order here. I flip-flopped Vince Coleman and Ty Cobb because Cobb absolutely deserves to close out this.

He was not only the most hated man in baseball history—he may be the most hated man in sports history, period!

Cobb was a known racist. He purposely spiked other players and was involved in multiple on-field incidents and brawls.

He also charged into the stands to beat up a heckler in one incident.

He fought a black groundskeeper in Georgia one year in spring training and choked the man's wife when she tried to stop him from fighting her husband.

Ty Cobb was universally hated around baseball, even amongst his own teammates, but he was at the time, and remains, one of the game's all-time greatest talents.

obcbobd
12-27-2019, 01:36 PM
A few comments from a 58 year old Red Sox fan from Boston.

First ,I don't think I could ever hate an athlete but certainly dislike many, probably no more than Jack Tatum who I would put on this list even though he was Football. As a lot of the players mentioned have a Red Sox connection I will comment on some:

A.J. Pierzynski
I don't know anyone who cared for him and I've heard that he was very disliked among his peers

Alex Rodriguez
Yes to this list although in the last 3-5 years he has really redeemed himself with his on air work and seemingly 'nice guy' persona

Babe Ruth
No. He was not equally hated as of loved during his playing days. This statement is borderline preposterous. He was no saint but he was loved a lot more than hated

Bill Buckner
The fans in Boston NEVER hated him. When he cam back to Boston he got a standing ovation. Most Boston fans blame the manager, not Buckner. He should not have been on the field.

Carl Everett
Don't know anyone who liked him.

Curt Schilling
Should be one of the most loved ex-players in Boston - but he opens his mouth. Heard him once on his radio show - sad.

Hank Aaron
There was a very small percentage of racist bigots who hated him. The same people who burn crosses and wear white sheets. They are/were definitely in the minority.

Jackie Robinson
Ditto, although more people and more vocal. I would guess that a large percentage of whites were in his corner

Jim Rice
Surly. Could be very unlikable, but could also turn on the charm.

Manny Ramirez
In Boston people would shake their heads and say "Manny being Manny"

Pedro Martinez
Maybe one of the most beloved athlete (in Boston at least). Don Zimmer charged him, not the other way around.

Roger Clemens
I can see him being on the list, from a Boston perspective. However, if he had just said "I'm sorry, I made a mistake", he'd be in the HOF and having his number retired at Fenway with a standing ovation

Steve L
12-27-2019, 02:00 PM
As has been discussed here previously (and I slightly paraphrase the earlier comments as follows): Jake Daubert was very unpopular with the baseball "powers that be" because he was one of the first to try to unionize the players and was the head of the Baseball Players' Fraternity. He was a trailblazer and as a result looked at as a troublemaker by the owners and by the writers to a large degree which is highly likely why he is not in the HOF.

andybecker
12-27-2019, 02:30 PM
wow.....disproportionate amount of Cubs and White Sox.

36GoudeyMan
12-27-2019, 02:32 PM
Harper, Bryce....

bundy462
12-27-2019, 03:02 PM
Carlos Gomez
Yordando Ventura

Johnny630
12-27-2019, 03:32 PM
Anytime You Charge the Mound On Nolan Ryan I’ll Never like you as a Player. Robin Ventura

Maybe a nice guy but he deserved that Ass Whooping in a Headlock from the Express in his mid 40’s

Forever Young
12-27-2019, 04:13 PM
Jose Bautista

ejharrington
12-27-2019, 04:44 PM
It's crazy, five of my all-time favorites (Schilling, Manny, Pedro, Strawberry, and last but not least Kong) made the list of 50. I think they are all awesome!

Mark17
12-27-2019, 04:55 PM
wow.....disproportionate amount of Cubs and White Sox.

And I was thinking if McGraw is on the list, certainly Comiskey should be there. His players hated him so much they..... you know.......

tlhss
12-27-2019, 05:25 PM
My opinion of Ty Cobb changed after reading “Ty Cobb - A Terrible Beauty” and realizing that most of what I knew about him was based on flawed information published by Al Stump and never questioned by film makers and documentaries. He wasn’t a saint, but most likely not the devil he is portrayed as (and what people love to hear).

Bicem
12-27-2019, 05:32 PM
My opinion of Ty Cobb changed after reading “Ty Cobb - A Terrible Beauty” and realizing that most of what I knew about him was based on flawed information published by Al Stump and never questioned by film makers and documentaries. He wasn’t a saint, but most likely not the devil he is portrayed as (and what people love to hear).

Exactly.

Shoeless Moe
12-27-2019, 06:02 PM
It's crazy, five of my all-time favorites (Schilling, Manny, Pedro, Strawberry, and last but not least Kong) made the list of 50. I think they are all awesome!

Who the hell (other then you and Dave Kingman, I don't even think his wife does) has Dave Kingman in their top 5??????

That's like having Pedro Guerrero or Ralph Garr in your Top 5.

Then......

I read the small byline you have on your threads.....you DO like KONG!

I saw him many times (as I'm from Chicago) swat that ball out of Wrigley many times.......I'd like to see them measure that launch angle.

He was hitting 12 inch softballs onto Waveland like swatting flies.

Brian Van Horn
12-27-2019, 06:03 PM
Dave Parker and Van Mungo come to mind. Also, Gandil.

mikemb
12-27-2019, 06:34 PM
[QUOTE=Shoeless Moe;1942317]Who the hell (other then you and Dave Kingman, I don't even think he wife does) has Dave Kingman in their top 5??????

Kingman is also in my top 5. Mike

JollyElm
12-27-2019, 06:41 PM
Mine too, but he's always wearing Mets orange and blue.

ejharrington
12-27-2019, 06:51 PM
Who the hell (other then you and Dave Kingman, I don't even think he wife does) has Dave Kingman in their top 5??????

That's like having Pedro Guerrero or Ralph Garr in your Top 5.

Then......

I read the small byline you have on your threads.....you DO like KONG!

I saw him many times (as I'm from Chicago) swat that ball out of Wrigley many times.......I'd like to see them measure that launch angle.

He was hitting 12 inch softballs onto Waveland like swatting flies.
LOL, there's not too many of us but we are out there!

Aquarian Sports Cards
12-27-2019, 07:08 PM
One thing about Kong, nobody ever thought his skinny ass was taking roids!

BillyCoxDodgers3B
12-27-2019, 07:08 PM
I had the pleasure and good fortune to visit many men who played both with and against Babe Ruth. Always thinking that they were tired of decades of being asked about him, I never once was the first to bring up Ruth's name in our conversations. Each time, the player wanted to speak about The Babe. He was beloved by all these men. As to his being boastful or some of his greater misdeeds, the guys I knew pretty much just let Babe get a free ride because of his stature and the fact that he treated each one of them decently. The combination of those two facts sealed the deal with each of the players (I'm not talking about a small handful of players, either!)

sayheykid54
12-27-2019, 07:47 PM
Disagree with Cobb being the most hated of all time. Much of the information from his playing days and events surrounding his life were later proven to be false. Much of the historical "Misinformation" was cleared up in the book "A Terrible Beauty"

"In legend I am a sadistic, slashing, swashbuckling despot who waged war in the guise of sport." Ty Cobb, who wrote that just before his death in 1961, was possibly the only one not to believe the legend. For everyone else, this was a case of perception and reality meeting.

I personally believe Ty Cobb is the most interesting and unique player in the history of baseball.

Mark17
12-27-2019, 07:52 PM
Disagree with Cobb being the most hated of all time. Much of the information from his playing days and events surrounding his life were later proven to be false. Much of the historical "Misinformation" was cleared up in the book "A Terrible Beauty"

"In legend I am a sadistic, slashing, swashbuckling despot who waged war in the guise of sport." Ty Cobb, who wrote that just before his death in 1961, was possibly the only one not to believe the legend. For everyone else, this was a case of perception and reality meeting.

I personally believe Ty Cobb is the most interesting and unique player in the history of baseball.

Cobb was:

1. One of the very best
2. One of the most tormented
3. One of the loneliest
4. One of the most generous
5. One of the most maligned
6. One of the most misunderstood

And I agree,

7. One of the most interesting

brian1961
12-27-2019, 08:32 PM
"(good read)" Seriously? Bub, methinks you oughta hightail it to your nearest car wash in a convertible.

No one ever pleased everybody, nor ever could. It's never a good time to malign our heroes.

--- Brian Powell

z28jd
12-27-2019, 09:27 PM
This list lost me when they thought Babe Ruth wasn't famous enough that they needed a modern player, from another sport no less, to realize how famous he was. I've heard people from other sports compared to Babe Ruth, but not the other way around.

The list is filled with errors and modern players. It's lazy.

Case12
12-28-2019, 08:59 AM
Anytime You Charge the Mound On Nolan Ryan I’ll Never like you as a Player. Robin Ventura

Maybe a nice guy but he deserved that Ass Whooping in a Headlock from the Express in his mid 40’s
One of baseballs most awesome photos!

MRSPORTSCARDCOLLECTOR
12-28-2019, 10:56 AM
It's crazy, five of my all-time favorites (Schilling, Manny, Pedro, Strawberry, and last but not least Kong) made the list of 50. I think they are all awesome!
Same with me. I like players with swagger!

Throttlesteer
12-28-2019, 11:41 AM
No John Rocker?

buymycards
12-28-2019, 11:43 AM
Rocker is on the list. I am suprised that Mark McGwire isn't on the list. He let down an entire generation of fans.

Tomi
12-28-2019, 11:59 AM
Don't drink the kool aid, Cobb was not racist. He started a scholarship program for minorities in Detroit and said Jackie Robinson was the only player he would pay to watch play. Stump just destroyed Cobb every chance he got.

oldjudge
12-28-2019, 12:18 PM
My top ten(In no particular order):

1. Reggie
2. A-Roid
3. Sosa
4. Ralph Terry
5. Clemens
6. Aroldis Chapman
7. Piazza
8. Bonds
9. Canseco
10. Jose Bautista

Actually, Reggie is clearly number one for me.

brianp-beme
12-28-2019, 12:42 PM
This list lost me when they thought Babe Ruth wasn't famous enough that they needed a modern player, from another sport no less, to realize how famous he was. I've heard people from other sports compared to Babe Ruth, but not the other way around.

The list is filled with errors and modern players. It's lazy.

Agree on all, and I have never heard that the Babe was hated. The Yankees, yes, Babe, no.

And this list seems to have been created in 2012 or so, so it is not even current. Lastings Milledge...who in the fadoodle is that? I guess he didn't make a Lastings Impression.

Brian

Orioles1954
12-28-2019, 01:00 PM
Brooks Robinson has to be up there.

perezfan
12-28-2019, 01:29 PM
Agree that McGwire should be high on that list.

Always disliked him, as well as most of the 'roided out LaRussa-led A's and Cardinals teams.

ejharrington
12-28-2019, 01:33 PM
I was never a fan of his (although I liked watching him play), but I'm not clear why there is so much hatred for Sammy Sosa. Why is he so hated but for the steroids issue (of which I don't think there is any evidence that he used PEDs other than the 2003 test which is not a definitive indictment? Did he do something else that pissed people off? I remember reading he was not welcome at Wrigley anymore so I must have missed something.

MRSPORTSCARDCOLLECTOR
12-28-2019, 02:13 PM
For me I am not a fan of the current Houston Astros, and this was before the cheating scandal. I usually like everybody. Just something about that team. btw I am a Red Sox fan.

Cliff Bowman
12-28-2019, 02:32 PM
First player that popped up in my mind isn’t even on the list, Mel Hall.

darwinbulldog
12-28-2019, 02:51 PM
"Obviously not intentionally"?

It's not likely that Mays considered that Chapman might be killed, but from what I've read it's pretty clear he was throwing at him on purpose. The main evidence to the contrary is that Mays himself blamed Chapman for crowding the plate. Which is a classy move. Obviously.

quinnsryche
12-28-2019, 03:26 PM
LOVE AJ! The catcher on my only White Sox World Series winner. No trophy without him. Don't care who doesn't like him, fans or players, ok in my book.

seanofjapan
12-28-2019, 04:08 PM
It would be better to explain the criteria for ranking players since there could be huge variation depending on which demographic is doing the hating - fans, the media, team mates, opposing players, society in general, etc.

Personally I’d be interested in knowing who the players were who were most hated by their own teammates since these are the people who would know them as close co-workers and thus understand them the best. The media can distort or sensationalize incidents that make players look better or worse than they actually are as people, but teammates aren’t going to be swayed by that like fans are.

I think a lot of the hate for some of these guys is totally overblown for that reason. Teammates are the only ones who truly know if a guy is an A hole deserving of the hate or not.

obcbobd
12-28-2019, 04:11 PM
For modern players I would go with Manny Machado. He pretty much ended Dustin Pedrioa's career with a dirty slide, I also remember him spiking Steve Pearce

bnorth
12-28-2019, 05:34 PM
LOVE AJ! The catcher on my only White Sox World Series winner. No trophy without him. Don't care who doesn't like him, fans or players, ok in my book.

I always liked AJ also, I like all players that try hard. I will say as a Astros fan at the time and being at game 2, BLEEP Scott Podsednik.:D

MRSPORTSCARDCOLLECTOR
12-28-2019, 05:43 PM
For modern players I would go with Manny Machado. He pretty much ended Dustin Pedrioa's career with a dirty slide, I also remember him spiking Steve Pearce
Good one. I remember those. He got Steve Pearce in the 2018 WS if I remember correctly.

Throttlesteer
12-28-2019, 05:56 PM
If you created a similar football list, it would be tough to limit it to 50.

buymycards
12-28-2019, 06:41 PM
For modern players I would go with Manny Machado. He pretty much ended Dustin Pedrioa's career with a dirty slide, I also remember him spiking Steve Pearce

I agree. I remember his dirty plays during the playoffs against the Brewers in 2018.

Paul S
12-28-2019, 07:37 PM
I was never a fan of his (although I liked watching him play), but I'm not clear why there is so much hatred for Sammy Sosa. Why is he so hated but for the steroids issue (of which I don't think there is any evidence that he used PEDs other than the 2003 test which is not a definitive indictment? Did he do something else that pissed people off? I remember reading he was not welcome at Wrigley anymore so I must have missed something.Corked bat shattered in official game. "Oh, that was my batting practice bat. I grabbed it by mistake."

ctownboy
12-28-2019, 08:57 PM
I think Sammy Sosa also pissed people off when he left the dugout during the first inning of the last game of the season in 2004, went to the locker room, changed into his street clothes and left Wrigley.

Google it and read the full story.


David

ejharrington
12-28-2019, 09:20 PM
I think Sammy Sosa also pissed people off when he left the dugout during the first inning of the last game of the season in 2004, went to the locker room, changed into his street clothes and left Wrigley.

Google it and read the full story.


David
Thank you. Now I understand.

Orioles1954
12-28-2019, 09:39 PM
Machado had several moments but his slide against Pedroia wasn’t one of them. Later in that series Pedroia threw his teammates under the bus when the Red Sox headhunted Machado three times in Baltimore and once in Boston. The slide was hard but nothing excessive. Pedroia was injury prone before and after the slide.

Hxcmilkshake
12-28-2019, 09:40 PM
No Chad Curtis or John Wetteland?

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Mark70Z
12-29-2019, 10:38 AM
Brooks Robinson has to be up there.

You mean Frank?

Orioles1954
12-29-2019, 11:03 AM
You mean Frank?

I was just being silly. I love Brooks!

Mark70Z
12-29-2019, 12:17 PM
You got me! :D

Misunderestimated
12-29-2019, 07:24 PM
I would think that Cap Anson belongs on any sort of list for a few reasons:
1) he played an integral role in establishing the color-line (and then enforcing it) back in the 1880's and
2) he was a tool of management and was disliked by his teammates (he was kind of a player-manager) and made their lives difficult;
3) he backed the owners not his fellow players in the 1889-91 player's league rebellion period; and
4) as much as any other great player he was a really arrogant guy who was known to complain or "kick" (hence,"Baby Anson") ceaselessly.

---
I'm not sure I can hate him (except for #1 above)... His career ended in the 1890's.
.....Ryan Braun I dislike .

steve B
12-29-2019, 09:22 PM
Brooks Robinson has to be up there.

????? A weird joke maybe?

steve B
12-29-2019, 09:35 PM
Saying Manny was bad on defense it pretty odd, he led the league in outfield assists twice. And led the league in fielding percentage while playing left at Fenway which has made some good fielders look foolish.

And... No Bucky Dent? Or Mike Torrez (A Yankee saboteur) Or Don Zimmer? Ok, not as a player, but as a manager who wouldn't take pitcers out until they'd given up 6-7 runs..

robw1959
12-29-2019, 10:09 PM
Disagree there. The Brewer first baseman didn't even have the fundamentals of the game down when he placed his entire foot on first base while awaiting the throw. The commentators had a big to-do about nothing when Manny unintentionally stepped on his heel while crossing first base. I say it was unintentional because Machado had two previous knee surgeries and wouldn't have risked injuring himself by stepping on the guy's heel like that. It's actually a higher risk to the batter running full-speed through the bag because stepping on something other than the base can send a batter sprawling.

I agree. I remember his dirty plays during the playoffs against the Brewers in 2018.

robw1959
12-29-2019, 10:18 PM
Quite true! Cobb was NOT a racist. Cobb was known for his willingness to barnstorm against Negro League competition at a time when true racists like John McGraw refused to do so. Here's a telling quote from Ty Cobb: "The black man has just as much of a right to play major league baseball as the white man."

Don't drink the kool aid, Cobb was not racist. He started a scholarship program for minorities in Detroit and said Jackie Robinson was the only player he would pay to watch play. Stump just destroyed Cobb every chance he got.

todeen
12-30-2019, 12:19 AM
Quite true! Cobb was NOT a racist. Cobb was known for his willingness to barnstorm against Negro League competition at a time when true racists like John McGraw refused to do so. Here's a telling quote from Ty Cobb: "The black man has just as much of a right to play major league baseball as the white man."Just because someone is not as racist as some of his contemporaries doesn't necessarily mean he was not racist. Every white man from previous generations was a racist, bigot, misogynist, or discriminated openly. Every person today discriminates in some way. It's just the way it is. A racist can still admire a person of color for their skill, and talk horribly about the minority serving them food.

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MRSPORTSCARDCOLLECTOR
12-30-2019, 03:28 AM
Saying Manny was bad on defense it pretty odd, he led the league in outfield assists twice. And led the league in fielding percentage while playing left at Fenway which has made some good fielders look foolish.

And... No Bucky Dent? Or Mike Torrez (A Yankee saboteur) Or Don Zimmer? Ok, not as a player, but as a manager who wouldn't take pitcers out until they'd given up 6-7 runs..

Agreed,also Manny Ramirez is gold glover compared to JD Martinez in the field.
Manny was a decent fielder. Started out as a rf with the Indians, than moved to lf with the Red Sox.

MRSPORTSCARDCOLLECTOR
12-30-2019, 03:32 AM
I had the pleasure and good fortune to visit many men who played both with and against Babe Ruth. Always thinking that they were tired of decades of being asked about him, I never once was the first to bring up Ruth's name in our conversations. Each time, the player wanted to speak about The Babe. He was beloved by all these men. As to his being boastful or some of his greater misdeeds, the guys I knew pretty much just let Babe get a free ride because of his stature and the fact that he treated each one of them decently. The combination of those two facts sealed the deal with each of the players (I'm not talking about a small handful of players, either!)
Sounds very interesting,and good to know about the Babe. Thanks for sharing. I am a big Babe Ruth fan. I don't think no other player dominated their sport like he did for what a good 15 years? Great hitter and pitcher.

Mark70Z
12-30-2019, 03:41 AM
Personally don’t really care for Willie Mays. Even though a great ball player I wouldn’t take or purchase a card or collectible related to Mays I guess I would t mind “looking” and enjoying someone else’s collection of him, but I have to separate the ballplayer from the personality.

h2oya311
12-30-2019, 05:52 AM
(1) Cobb - should be removed due to misinformation
(2) I actually agree with many on your(?) list although I’d like fewer 1980s-90s players to be replaced with ones that pre-date that era or for a few who are still playing today (Bryce Harper?)
(3) Lastings - Never heard of him
(4) Two players who have “f’ing” for a middle name should be on the list: Bucky F’ing Dent and Aaron F’ing Boone (from a Red Sox fan perspective)
(5) Cap Anson from a historical perspective due to his involvement with keeping black players out of the game
(6) as a young Astros fan of the mid ‘80s, I hated the entire New York Mets team of 1986. Wally Backman, Lenny Dykstra, Mookie Wilson, etc. I think Dykstra could/should make the list.

Despite everyone’s digs, I appreciate the attempt.

This video of Albert Belle gets me every time. I’ll never forget seeing it live on tv:

https://youtu.be/VV3fNK31HD4

I love how not even one teammate of Vina sticks up for him. I sure as heck wouldn’t want to stand up to Belle. He was clearly one of the most feared players. Hated, meh.

jakebeckleyoldeagleeye
12-30-2019, 06:56 AM
A few comments from a 58 year old Red Sox fan from Boston.

First ,I don't think I could ever hate an athlete but certainly dislike many, probably no more than Jack Tatum who I would put on this list even though he was Football. As a lot of the players mentioned have a Red Sox connection I will comment on some:

A.J. Pierzynski
I don't know anyone who cared for him and I've heard that he was very disliked among his peers

Alex Rodriguez
Yes to this list although in the last 3-5 years he has really redeemed himself with his on air work and seemingly 'nice guy' persona

Babe Ruth
No. He was not equally hated as of loved during his playing days. This statement is borderline preposterous. He was no saint but he was loved a lot more than hated

Bill Buckner
The fans in Boston NEVER hated him. When he cam back to Boston he got a standing ovation. Most Boston fans blame the manager, not Buckner. He should not have been on the field.

Carl Everett
Don't know anyone who liked him.

Curt Schilling
Should be one of the most loved ex-players in Boston - but he opens his mouth. Heard him once on his radio show - sad.

Hank Aaron
There was a very small percentage of racist bigots who hated him. The same people who burn crosses and wear white sheets. They are/were definitely in the minority.

Jackie Robinson
Ditto, although more people and more vocal. I would guess that a large percentage of whites were in his corner

Jim Rice
Surly. Could be very unlikable, but could also turn on the charm.

Manny Ramirez
In Boston people would shake their heads and say "Manny being Manny"

Pedro Martinez
Maybe one of the most beloved athlete (in Boston at least). Don Zimmer charged him, not the other way around.

Roger Clemens
I can see him being on the list, from a Boston perspective. However, if he had just said "I'm sorry, I made a mistake", he'd be in the HOF and having his number retired at Fenway with a standing ovation



Kids loved Babe Ruth and he loved them. Could care less what ignorant adults think.

darwinbulldog
12-30-2019, 07:32 AM
"(good read)" Seriously? Bub, methinks you oughta hightail it to your nearest car wash in a convertible.

Maybe we can reserve a spot for anyone who designates his own words as a "good read" on the 50 most hated writers list.

robw1959
01-01-2020, 04:00 PM
Every white man from previous generations was a racist, bigot, misogynist, or discriminated openly.
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???? EVERY man? I don't even know how to respond to such nonsense.

robw1959
01-01-2020, 04:06 PM
Personally don’t really care for Willie Mays. Even though a great ball player I wouldn’t take or purchase a card or collectible related to Mays I guess I would t mind “looking” and enjoying someone else’s collection of him, but I have to separate the ballplayer from the personality.

I don't know much about his personality, but when I was a teenager I wrote him a short letter asking for his autograph, to which he replied and signed, "To Bob - Best wishes, Willie Mays." So in my opinion his personality couldn't have been all bad.

todeen
01-01-2020, 05:35 PM
???? EVERY man? I don't even know how to respond to such nonsense.Do you want me to change to every human? The number of people I've met who I would say does not fall into this category is zero. In some way, every person discriminates. I lived in Thailand as a Christian missionary, and they were wonderful people. Welcomed me with open arms, listened to my spiel, and kindly rejected my message. Then they would tell me how racist Americans are. Then I would ask what they thought about people from Burma (Myanmar), and they would tell me they (the collective THEY) are thieves and liars. All human beings discriminate in some way.

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Orioles1954
01-01-2020, 05:42 PM
????? A weird joke maybe?

It is. I’m actually a massive Brooks fan.

jakebeckleyoldeagleeye
01-01-2020, 05:59 PM
Just because someone is not as racist as some of his contemporaries doesn't necessarily mean he was not racist. Every white man from previous generations was a racist, bigot, misogynist, or discriminated openly. Every person today discriminates in some way. It's just the way it is. A racist can still admire a person of color for their skill, and talk horribly about the minority serving them food.

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Suggest you read A Terrible Beauty. An excellent book about Cobb and not that piece of excrement Stump wrote.

Mark17
01-01-2020, 06:07 PM
Just because someone is not as racist as some of his contemporaries doesn't necessarily mean he was not racist. Every white man from previous generations was a racist, bigot, misogynist, or discriminated openly. Every person today discriminates in some way. It's just the way it is. A racist can still admire a person of color for their skill, and talk horribly about the minority serving them food.

Everyone has experiences, opinions, preferences, attitudes, etc., but not everyone takes it to the level of being a racist, bigot, misogynist, etc. There are actually a lot of people (including white people) who do judge a person by the content of their character.

Other things equal, I would rather date a beautiful, young woman, than an elderly, ugly one. Does that fit your definition of "open discrimination?" If so, then I guess you might be right.

dealme
01-01-2020, 06:23 PM
How about Curt Flood? (At least from an ownership perspective)

Tabe
01-01-2020, 09:30 PM
Suggest you read A Terrible Beauty. An excellent book about Cobb and not that piece of excrement Stump wrote.

Or the even better "War on the Basepaths" on the same subject.

tschock
01-02-2020, 06:24 AM
Do you want me to change to every human? The number of people I've met who I would say does not fall into this category is zero. In some way, every person discriminates. I lived in Thailand as a Christian missionary, and they were wonderful people. Welcomed me with open arms, listened to my spiel, and kindly rejected my message. Then they would tell me how racist Americans are. Then I would ask what they thought about people from Burma (Myanmar), and they would tell me they (the collective THEY) are thieves and liars. All human beings discriminate in some way.

Let's assume that your patently absurd premise is actually true. That every human is a racist. So then, what's your point?

Republicaninmass
01-02-2020, 06:59 AM
???? EVERY man? I don't even know how to respond to such nonsense.

Hence why I didnt.

I know I'm not included, I hate everyone just the same

Group hug

JollyElm
01-02-2020, 03:24 PM
It's just the further 'snowflake-ization' of our country. No matter what the subject is, just call everyone a racist. Pathetic.

1952boyntoncollector
01-02-2020, 04:21 PM
I actually had a long convesation with a Phillies long time producer and he said Dick Allen and Richie Ashburn were not liked, he gave some specific stories but they would likely 'out' him so i have to hold back..i see Allen is on the list already

Jstottlemire1
01-02-2020, 05:26 PM
My opinion of Ty Cobb changed after reading “Ty Cobb - A Terrible Beauty” and realizing that most of what I knew about him was based on flawed information published by Al Stump and never questioned by film makers and documentaries. He wasn’t a saint, but most likely not the devil he is portrayed as (and what people love to hear).

Exactly. I just wrapped up reading this book. He certainly was a prideful man and didn’t tuck his temper away often if any but not the devil he has been remember as. The man did great in the game and extraordinary as a business man and investor.

Orioles1954
01-02-2020, 07:23 PM
Y’all should have witnessed the hate heaped on Cal Ripken Jr. when he said on national television that Adrian Beltre was a better 3B than Brooks Robinson. There has alway been a segment of Baltimore that’s looked at Ripken as too corporate and national.

Leon
01-06-2020, 07:25 PM
Interesting thread......always hear Willie Mays is not a nice person. He's 88, is he still ornery?

whitehse
01-06-2020, 08:31 PM
I may be late to the party here but Gary Sheffield should most certainly be on this list. Just ask any Brewers fan who had to live through Sheffield's short time in the Brew City and they would surly agree that all he did was whine about the city, complain the team was racist and reportedly booted ground balls on purpose and tanked his own performance to get a ticket out of town.

Gary Sheffield was never welcomed back to town and to this day, his name is still tainted by Brewers fans who remember this guy.

Mark17
01-06-2020, 08:55 PM
I may be late to the party here but Gary Sheffield should most certainly be on this list. Just ask any Brewers fan who had to live through Sheffield's short time in the Brew City and they would surly agree that all he did was whine about the city, complain the team was racist and reportedly booted ground balls on purpose and tanked his own performance to get a ticket out of town.

Gary Sheffield was never welcomed back to town and to this day, his name is still tainted by Brewers fans who remember this guy.

"they would surly agree that all he did was whine....." Nice accidental pun.

buymycards
01-08-2020, 11:55 AM
This has been a good read. The initial list was interesting, even if people don't agree with specific players on the list. There have been some good suggestions about possible additions and subtractions, and of course, it wouldn't be Net54 without a couple of spats.

Thanks, Paul aka P Diddy G, Soup Can, Leon's Favorite, Cambo, Fluke, Jagr, PG13, Paulie Walnuts

Chicosbailbonds
01-17-2020, 04:34 PM
Interesting thread......always hear Willie Mays is not a nice person. He's 88, is he still ornery?

Many of the black players from that era were surly towards white fans (understandably so), even to this day. He and Frank Robby were like that at autograph shows. I've heard the same about Bob Gibson also, but was nice to me.

A couple that should be on the hated list are Alex Johnson and Alan Wiggins. I believe Alex Johnson had some mental illness issues, even threatened his friend Chico Ruiz with a gun in the clubhouse. Here is some more about his story https://tht.fangraphs.com/cooperstown-confidential-the-enigmatic-life-of-alex-johnson/

To be fair, Eric Show could make this list also with Alan Wiggins. I think there were a lot of race issues on the mid-80's Padres. Show was a John Birch member. Wiggins later in his career would not sign for white fans.

Frank A
01-17-2020, 06:18 PM
I have to say that Reggie Jackass was the most miserable person I ever met. What a conceited piece of shit.

Mark17
01-17-2020, 08:51 PM
If you had surveyed the players in the early 1970s, Jim Bouton would have been high on their list. But I think most fans liked his books and enjoyed reading the behind the scenes revelations. And I think time softened any hard feelings towards Bouton, with a few notable exceptions (like Steve Barber.)

oldjudge
01-18-2020, 12:05 AM
i have to say that reggie jackass was the most miserable person i ever met. What a conceited piece of shit.

+1000

Misunderestimated
01-18-2020, 09:36 PM
from the Astros scandal ... I guess it will take a while to play out and it depends on who is doing the hating - fans, other players, media etc.
Cheating is weird that way. People hate different kinds of cheaters differently and view different kinds of cheating differently over time. We sometimes defend our own "cheaters" (NE Patriots fans??)
Looking Back:
John McGraw "cheated" but he was considered sharp and brilliant
Gaylord Perry and Phil Niekro cheated but they made the HOF... Also people don't really hate them; they were "crafty" and clever pitchers.

More recently the PED scandals created a different kind of cheating and hatred:

People loved Manny, Big Mac and Sammy, but they don't any more. 550+ homers and no HOF for any of them.

Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are NOT in the HOF either ... a lot of people really really hate them even though they are statistical giants and among the best ever(1).

Meanwhile it seems like everyone (except J-LO) hates AROD ... even Yankee fans...


We'll see what happens to Altuve -- who everyone loved... but now? What was he hiding under his jersey when he won?
The great Carlos Beltran was one his way to manage the Mets and probably Cooperstown. Now does he have to go hang out with Rafael Palmeiro or something?

The Astros manager was a genius, and the GM too, but now they banned and unemployed ... so is Cora. And it's not over....

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(1) - Larry Walker might get in next week though