W501s....not W575-1s

[Leon]

Is there something that doesn't allow TPG's to do homework? Correct me if I am wrong (been wrong many times) but I don't think either of these are W575s (again, W575s were NEVER hand cut unless trimmed after the fact).

And here are some real ones too....MIstakenly labeled by SGC as hand cut.

[rhettyeakley]

Leon,

Technically those cards are simply just uncataloged, as they don’t really fit the definition of W575-1. Several years ago when I was working on my “E121 Family” article for Old Cardboard I began to call these cards W501-2 as I feel that is the best description of what the cards are as they are a parallel set of cards to the W501 regular set in terms of checklist, paper stock, image quality, and the hand cut/torn top and bottom borders and were almost certainly produced by the same company as the W501’s BUT they lack the card number and the “G-4-22” at the top.

It seems my W501-2 has pretty much been accepted by the hobby as a correct designation for them at this point but the grading companies really struggle with all of these types of sets.

I think the main problem is the lack of a central independent database that is being updated, especially since the passing of Bob Lemke. I have toyed with the idea of trying to do that myself in some way as I don’t really see anyone else with a good breadth of knowledge of the different eras really stepping forward to do so but am not really sure how to go about doing so. I have thought about either trying to publish something or starting a YouTube channel discussing different sets at length but don’t want to do so and end up with 10 views! ;)

[Leon]

Hi Rhett
Thanks for chiming in. I was hoping you would. To me, the TPGs labeling these as W575s is just wrong. Compare them to the real ones. That said I guess it is what it is. Many of us are able to do better than TPGs on identification. A new TPG that understands vintage idiosyncrasies would be nice. I am sure that is a pipe dream though. It's too bad as most hobbyists will think they are in fact W575s because a supposed trusted source said it. I agree with the W501-2 designation for W501s without numbering.

Here are 3 more mislabeled as hand cut. I took them out of the pack they came in, literally.

Leon,

Technically those cards are simply just uncataloged, as they don’t really fit the definition of W575-1. Several years ago when I was working on my “E121 Family” article for Old Cardboard I began to call these cards W501-2 as I feel that is the best description of what the cards are as they are a parallel set of cards to the W501 regular set in terms of checklist, paper stock, image quality, and the hand cut/torn top and bottom borders and were almost certainly produced by the same company as the W501’s BUT they lack the card number and the “G-4-22” at the top.

It seems my W501-2 has pretty much been accepted by the hobby as a correct designation for them at this point but the grading companies really struggle with all of these types of sets.

I think the main problem is the lack of a central independent database that is being updated, especially since the passing of Bob Lemke. I have toyed with the idea of trying to do that myself in some way as I don’t really see anyone else with a good breadth of knowledge of the different eras really stepping forward to do so but am not really sure how to go about doing so. I have thought about either trying to publish something or starting a YouTube channel discussing different sets at length but don’t want to do so and end up with 10 views! ;)

[tedzan]

Hi Leon

My only W575-1 card....and, yes it has a Blank-Back.

Thanks Rhett


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/1921SmokyJoeWood.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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[rhettyeakley]

Ted, nice card!

I love the Smokey Joe cards after making the transition from pitcher to position player, not many players have been able to do that!

[ValKehl]

Here are the W501-1 and W501-2 cards of both WaJo and Sam Rice. A prior owner of the W501-2s made it easy for me notice them by adding the W501-1 card number in pencil.

[Leon]

Thanks for showing those, Val. Great cards too! I wish TPGs had the knowledge to grade these, and other rare cards, correctly. They apparently stick to their mistakes, and keep them rolling, fairly well.

Here are the W501-1 and W501-2 cards of both WaJo and Sam Rice. A prior owner of the W501-2s made it easy for me notice them by adding the W501-1 card number in pencil.

http://luckeycards.com/pe122hooper.jpg

[ValKehl]

[QUOTE=Leon;1929107]Thanks for showing those, Val. Great cards too! I wish TPGs had the knowledge to grade these, and other rare cards, correctly. They apparently stick to their mistakes, and keep them rolling, fairly well./QUOTE]

Leon, nice E122 of Hooper. I, too, have noticed over the years that the TPGs, PSA in particular, don't do a great job of correctly identifying non-mainstream cards on their flips. Sad!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

how do you screw up E121 and E122 though? The grey box with the name is about as simple an identifying characteristic as you can get.