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jchcollins
03-15-2019, 08:47 AM
Ever have an OC card where for whatever reason it doesn’t bother you, and you love it anyway? I thought I’d devote a thread to that. Here’s one to start:
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Peter_Spaeth
03-15-2019, 08:51 AM
These NS cards are very hard to find nice so I can live with the centering.
jchcollins
03-15-2019, 08:59 AM
These NS cards are very hard to find nice so I can live with the centering.
Very cool. LOL in real life I think Patton looked a bit more like a dork than George C. Scott...
commishbob
03-15-2019, 09:25 AM
I've got plenty of OC cards in my vintage sets. It's one way I reduce costs, especially with the costlier cards, since I'm not bothered by it at all.
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Promethius88
03-15-2019, 11:13 AM
I have oc cards but they give me the shakes. I'm getting worse about it the older I get!
GasHouseGang
03-15-2019, 11:47 AM
Don't even know why it's graded OC.
jchcollins
03-15-2019, 12:09 PM
Another. I’ve had this card since I was probably 13 years old. And had it for well more than a decade before I even considered the fact that it’s off-centered…
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Peter_Spaeth
03-15-2019, 02:45 PM
Don't even know why it's graded OC.
Back, probably. Used to be more of a concern to the graders.
I have many off centered cards in my collection. Do I wish they were perfectly centered or close to it like my Faye Thornberry card? Of course I do, ($$$) but I am not disappointed at all knowing I own them.:)
Like others have said, OC cards are much more affordable but I do understand the reasons for those who purchase, or try to purchase, perfectly centered cards.
steve B
03-18-2019, 12:13 PM
I'd guess most of my collection is off-centered. It just never mattered much to me.
Except for 1970 Topps, where for a while I was collecting them with and without what I think are guidelines between all rows. Those I have a mostly centered group, and another that's off center enough to show the lines.
Yes, I may be slightly "eccentric":D
mintacular
03-18-2019, 01:39 PM
A few survivors that I still like before I started going for centered cards......
https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/nollpm/personal-collection/3572/1958-topps-maris-rc
https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/nollpm/personal-collection/3548/1966-topps-clemente
https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/nollpm/personal-collection/3566/1955-topps-rc-clemente
HRBAKER
03-19-2019, 01:17 PM
So bad, even the flip id O/C!
https://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/Graded%20Cards/Scan_20171203%2059_zpsnljigjfn.jpg
GasHouseGang
03-19-2019, 04:02 PM
Back before centering was “all the rage”, that’s the kind of card you might have picked out of a stack of 54 Hank Aaron cards because it has the best corners and gloss. Nice card!
HRBAKER
03-19-2019, 06:11 PM
Back before centering was “all the rage”, that’s the kind of card you might have picked out of a stack of 54 Hank Aaron cards because it has the best corners and gloss. Nice card!
Yes and I'd still pick it today over a duller perfectly centered copy with touched corners. To each their own.
Promethius88
04-04-2019, 08:07 PM
It bothers me a little, but I still love it. The registration and lack of snow/print dots is great.
Harliduck
04-04-2019, 08:13 PM
Back before centering was “all the rage”, that’s the kind of card you might have picked out of a stack of 54 Hank Aaron cards because it has the best corners and gloss. Nice card!
Exactly...
For my sets I go for or will upgrade in the following order -
1. Creases (NO CREASES)
2. Corners
3. Centering
4. Gloss
I do upgrade anything off center to the point the border is gone or barely there. But I'd take an OC with sharp corners and no creases all day long vs a card with soft corners and a wrinkle that is centered.
Some cards I've seen I just don't get where the grader can say OC...
steve B
04-07-2019, 04:51 PM
I like the Holtzman in this scan, I got it from a pack in 74, and just liked how weird it was. It spent a long time in the binder with the cards I liked the most.
The 75 was a close second, until I found out that it was sheet cut that way after the factory.
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=123&pictureid=3206
Exhibitman
04-07-2019, 06:17 PM
Centering? Who gives a shit...
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/1969%20Ryan%201.JPG
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/1955%20Topps%20Clemente.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/1958%20Ashburn.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/1954%20Williams%201.jpg
MikeGarcia
04-21-2019, 02:34 PM
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/2042957/view/1957SCDAPRIL2019_NEW_001.JPG
..The card has such great subject matter and crisp cornering and brilliant pack-fresh color and looks so good in the old original Sports Card Digest Magazine-graded holder and was probably examined by Bob L. himself and I've had it forever sooooooo I can grit my teeth and overlook the 90-10 side-to-side . The subgrade for "Centering" is "7" ; the Bob Lemon centering subgrade is a "10". Rare.
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ZiggerZagger
04-21-2019, 05:55 PM
As a non-recovering centering addict, I have a "thing" about O/C
But I *had* to buy the '56 Clemente here at the 2017 National, and I absolutely love it.
The '55 isn't really that bad centering-wise, but enough to bother me a bit normally.
But it was my last purchase from Wayne Johnson before he passed recently -- it has great color, but even better sentimental value. I'll always remember it as his card.
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vintagebaseballcardguy
04-22-2019, 08:10 AM
Those two Clementes are both very nice!!
jchcollins
04-24-2019, 12:34 PM
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/2042957/view/1957SCDAPRIL2019_NEW_001.JPG
..The card has such great subject matter and crisp cornering and brilliant pack-fresh color and looks so good in the old original Sports Card Digest Magazine-graded holder and was probably examined by Bob L. himself and I've had it forever sooooooo I can grit my teeth and overlook the 90-10 side-to-side . The subgrade for "Centering" is "7" ; the Bob Lemon centering subgrade is a "10". Rare.
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The Power Hitters card? That's nowhere near 90/10 s-s.
jchcollins
04-25-2019, 12:26 PM
So bad, even the flip id O/C!
LOL now that is ironic.
jchcollins
10-22-2019, 08:12 AM
I will add this one. 67's are tough because the borders are smaller to begin with. Finding 67's truly dead-nuts centered, and also without tilt is quite the tall order. This card is fine with me because it was what a nicer looking card in a shop back in the 80's or early 90's would have looked like. It's far from dead-nuts centered, but is missing the tilt. Back then, "centering" was not a term used by teenage boys attempting to grade old cards. If a card was not "creased" or "beat to hell" in our vernacular, it was usually going to be pretty desirable. :)
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ALR-bishop
10-22-2019, 01:47 PM
There are 3 recurring versions of the 67 Mantle, the one posted above, one with a red dot above the S in Yankees and one with red dot above the black top border on right side
Bigdaddy
10-22-2019, 06:22 PM
There are 3 recurring versions of the 67 Mantle, the one posted above, one with a red dot above the S in Yankees and one with red dot above the black top border on right side
Mick looks a little off-center on that card.
rgpete
10-26-2019, 06:24 AM
My favorites
jchcollins
11-01-2019, 11:03 AM
My favorites
I feel you on the '70 Ryan. Before I even knew what qualifers were, I got a copy of that card off eBay in a PSA 8 (OC), not understanding at the time why it was so much cheaper than other 8's. (This was 18 years ago). Then when I got it, I did some research and understood it was o/c beyond the tolerance top to bottom. I had not noticed at all from the scan, and the card had minty fresh corners...
jchcollins
01-23-2020, 07:33 PM
That color though...
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bnorth
01-23-2020, 07:44 PM
Seems like most of the Al Kaline Band-Aid variation cards are OC.
jchcollins
08-18-2021, 01:29 PM
Bumping this thread that I started more than 2 years ago.
Recent thought has again led me around to the conclusion that centering hyper-focus / paranoia is mostly still just the result of cognitive bias that was introduced to us 20-25 years ago along with the advent of professional grading. Does anyone honestly disagree? How many of you who were big into vintage cards in say - 1988 - can honestly say that centering was on your top 10 list? I'm sure there are a few, and that's fine. Sure, empirically I guess a perfectly centered card is preferable to 80/20 s-s if you are looking at them next to one another. But when did the lesser centered card just become inherently ugly and shunned?
I'm interested in researching this particular issue almost as a sub-hobby in terms of condition evolution. It's something that for some dumb reason endlessly fascinates me.
Anyone else?
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SPMIDD
08-18-2021, 02:58 PM
Good questions John and I do not have an answer. All I know is that I can live with a card being off centered somewhat if the corners are good. I am definitely a corner guy when it comes to buying raw vintage cards.
packs
08-18-2021, 03:44 PM
I love my Curt:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010535556_4e64e32f2f.jpg
BigRedMachine1969
08-19-2021, 08:12 AM
Great thread. Glad to see so many others not terribly bothered by centering issues.
https://i.ibb.co/tqj3VNJ/67-Robinson-2.jpg
almostdone
08-19-2021, 10:15 AM
How far is too far when “off centered”?
Drew
jchcollins
08-19-2021, 05:24 PM
How far is too far when “off centered”?
Drew
That's fantastic!
jchcollins
08-19-2021, 05:27 PM
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bobsbbcards
08-19-2021, 06:30 PM
https://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/1248/90444980/71ToppsGM001Munson.jpg?v=828349
jchcollins
08-19-2021, 07:25 PM
https://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/1248/90444980/71ToppsGM001Munson.jpg?v=828349
Nice. Not sure I've ever seen that before.
Tere1071
08-19-2021, 08:01 PM
Here are my 53 Bowman Color Mantle, Musial, and Berra- all off-center. Though not pictured, My Spahn has centering similar to the Berra.
jchcollins
08-20-2021, 12:03 PM
Great thread. Glad to see so many others not terribly bothered by centering issues.
I don't like miscuts or some "close to miscut" sliver borders. But for most vintage cards, it seems like a good many of them came out of the pack at least moderately OC, like 70/30 or so one way. While I can understand that we would all want 50/50 perfect cards if we had magic wands and that were easily attainable, what I don't understand is why mild to moderately OC cards are automatically shunned anymore here in the 21st century. Sure, if you have an eye for grading, maybe something goes off in your brain and you realize "Hey, this card isn't mint..." but that doesn't mean it's 100% ugly either. That's how they were issued, and there is nothing inherently wrong with that.
I think today's level of centering scrutiny is largely a con job pulled over on many of us in the hobby by professional grading companies. Think about it. Where in a spec for Topps or Bowman back in the day did it ever say that a card HAD to be perfectly centered? It didn't, because they were never intended to be perfect. In reality, not only did Topps QC not throw out OC cards, they didn't throw out most badly MC cards either.
To me anymore, cards in midgrade that still look nice and are not perfectly centered are just offering more proof that they are not doctored / altered here in the 21st century, because they look the way that many of them looked back decades ago. If I can pick them up at a discount because of that - well then so be it.
Harliduck
08-20-2021, 01:10 PM
How far is too far when “off centered”?
Drew
Drew...that is AWESOME. Did you pull those from the same pack or have any history how you got them all together like that?
Harliduck
08-20-2021, 01:31 PM
Funny looking through this thread and not realizing it was an older thread brought back...and then seeing I've replied was pretty funny...and my opinion still holds true.
Also funny the discussion on the 1970 Ryan...as I received a perfect example just today in the mail relevant to this thread. I am doing a second 70 set and needed another Ryan, won this last week for a heck of a deal, and the perfect card for a second set and one where the OC doesn't bother me a bit.
https://i.ibb.co/qptHMWp/Ryan-70.jpg
almostdone
08-20-2021, 04:00 PM
Drew...that is AWESOME. Did you pull those from the same pack or have any history how you got them all together like that?
No. I actually picked these up here on the BST about 8 years ago for about $5.00 shipped. Thought it was to cool to pass up. I think the seller said he got them from someone who had a whole bunch of packs miscut like this in one box back in the day. He put together some “mini puzzles” and slowly got rid of them. Would have been cool to get a HOFer but still glad I have what I got.
78 Topps were the first cards I ever saw as a kid so it makes them that much more special.
Thanks for asking and to everyone else in this thread really nice cards guys. Most of yours are dead centered compared to my collection.
Drew
JollyElm
08-20-2021, 11:31 PM
These pairs are in that same connective vein (and the Mantle/Mathews is just way cool)...
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7853/45754567054_5eb1970f5b_b.jpghttps://farm8.staticflickr.com/7857/45564983865_84431974a4_b.jpg
Harliduck
08-21-2021, 12:15 AM
These pairs are in that same connective vein (and the Mantle/Mathews is just way cool)...
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7853/45754567054_5eb1970f5b_b.jpghttps://farm8.staticflickr.com/7857/45564983865_84431974a4_b.jpg
So cool...wish the 67 Matthews was with that Mantle! Too bad they couldn't grade all those together...
jchcollins
08-21-2021, 07:54 AM
Funny looking through this thread and not realizing it was an older thread brought back...
Yeah, sorry - I've been known to do that upon occasion when I still want to talk about something. :)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51393575286_4a961936f5_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mitvpC)1960 Topps Pittsburgh Pirates Team (https://flic.kr/p/2mitvpC), on Flickr
I picked this up (unsigned) off eBay about five years ago. At the time, I was still in college and my signed 1953 Topps project was busting my budget. I decided I needed a project that wasn't so expensive, and I've always had a soft spot for the 1960 Pirates. I won this card for a song, due to it being miscut. I ended up getting an internship a couple weeks later that enabled me to keep going on the 1953s, so I worked them both. All of these were obtained TTM, except for Bill Mazeroski, who I got at a private signing. I'm on the hunt for a low grade Carl Yastrzemski rookie for the signing he has in November, and a lot of the ones I'm seeing are very OC, which I don't mind.
Edit: And I just realized I posted a picture from before Mazeroski signed it. I'll have to update it later.
todeen
08-21-2021, 08:20 PM
From a Net54 member last year. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210822/18fc55bc2b682e845eb78e4137035a57.jpg
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