Anyone Have Pics of an Uncut 1962 Series 2 Sheet??

[JollyElm]

I believe that Topps basically used two sets of sheets to print each series of cards back in the day. Sometimes cards were included/excluded at different rates across the pair of sheets, creating DP's, SP's, etc. Here is a half(?) sheet from the 1962 second series, 11 cards across and 12 cards down (132 in total). The top 4 rows of cards also appear as the bottom 4 rows. The middle 4 rows stand by their lonesome. Obviously, the other sheet probably wouldn't have matched this one exactly. It most likely would have been reconfigured to double up those middle 4 rows and single out the top/bottom rows to create an equal amount of individual cards??

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Does anyone have a picture of the sheet that would have accompanied this one in the printing process? To be clear, I'm not looking for theories or speculation as to what the cards and the sheet configuration looked like (I pretty much stated what it should look like above), but actual photos of said sheet. Can anyone help? Partial sheets would be helpful, too, if they obviously aren't a part of the same type of sheet pictured above. Any help would be appreciated.

[70ToppsFanatic]

Remember that Topps also did an outsourced print run of 1962 series 2. That is where the “green tint” varieties came from. Don’t know if the order of the cards on the outsourced print run is the same, as some of the poses are actually different. Does anyone know if the outsourcing printer resequenced the card order on their sheets?

Generally the other 132-card half sheet contains the cards in the series that you don’t find on the half-sheet you have pictured. It probably would have been in an analogous 3-sets-of-4-rows pattern but with the other series 2 cards that you don’t find in thevdheet picture you posted.

[JollyElm]

I guess I have to repeat myself...
Does anyone have a picture of the sheet that would have accompanied this one in the printing process? To be clear, I'm not looking for theories or speculation as to what the cards and the sheet configuration looked like (I pretty much stated what it should look like above), but actual photos of said sheet. Can anyone help? Partial sheets would be helpful, too, if they obviously aren't a part of the same type of sheet pictured above. Any help would be appreciated.

[jmoran19]

middle panel has green tint cards and looks to be rows 1, 2 and 3 not 5/6/7 from your pic. John

[JollyElm]

Awesome! Thank you. Might fit in with my theory of doubling up the middle 4 rows on the other half sheet, assuming the GT printers used the same basic formatting.

[JollyElm]

Here are the other two pieces I have pictures of. Neither offers any additional insight, unfortunately.

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Side note: the horizontal crop marks appear at the bottom of the 4th and 8th rows.

[Rich Klein]

As far as I can see; All of the sheets you posted have the common (non green tint) variations.

Rich

[JollyElm]

Yes, all the sheets I have are the 'regular' card versions.

[jmoran19]

Might fit in with my theory of doubling up the middle 4 rows on the other half sheet, assuming the GT printers used the same basic formatting.

Printing each card 3 times in 44 card blocks was Topp’s SOP for 87/88 card series

[JollyElm]

I would also be appreciative if anyone has pics to show of any first series full sheets or partials (other than this one)...

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[jmoran19]

all I got for series 1

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[JollyElm]

all I got for series 1
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When I download that top image, it comes across as tiny. Could you PM me the original file? Or is what you have a tiny image to begin with? Thanks.

[jmoran19]

its a tiny file

[JollyElm]

You know what's strange? There are a million theories regarding the green tint printing, most involving Topps farming out the production of cards to a second printer to keep up with the demand that year. We know the GTs had a few basic differences from their 'normal' counterparts. Aside from a handful of cards having different photos on them, ALL were cropped differently, but probably the most obvious difference was the imbalance of colors. Many have an oversaturation of green (hence the name), but it's really the faulty misuse of the magenta/red/pink/etc. hues that blatantly jumps out. Some have surmised that the printing plates were damaged and this somehow led to the pigment problems...but I just realized something. If you take a look at cards in the 400's from that same year, so many of them have identical problems - errant use of red, washed out images and skies comprised of bizarre colors that are nothing short of fantastical (yes, there are plenty of normal looking cards, too). As far as I can tell, there is only one version of each card (save for the checklists, which were usually printed a couple of different times across a pair of series). In other words, if a player's card has bad coloring, then every one of his cards has the very same bad coloring, and there are no cropping differences that I can detect. I dare say that whoever printed the green tints also printed all or some of this later series of cards as well. Perhaps this time the printing plates weren't damaged and consistency once again reigned supreme (although the cards look horrible) when two different entities were doing the printing, as opposed to whatever happened during the GT production?? An easier answer would be that the printer was just bad and they alone printed the entire run of the series I'm talking about here?? Who knows?

Here are a few examples of 1962 400's cards after a quick ebay search. All are very green tint-esque...

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Here's a pair of actual green tints. Look at how the sky, blurriness and washed out skin tones and colors compare to the cards above:
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