PWCC results

[Throttlesteer]

Did anyone manage to score anything good? There were a few bargains and the usual T206 portrait insanity.

[DeanH3]

I tried, but whiffed.

[tmw2ward]

I bid on 10 cards....and I won 0

[Steve D]

I picked up 17 T205s. That leaves 22 that I still need.

Steve

[Stampsfan]

Is it just me, or are prices insane?

$17,322 for a Matty Portrait PSA 6.5

$13,099 for a Cobb Green SGC 4

$16,158 for a Cobb Red SGC 6.5

Or is this normal?

[Sean]

Also $11,000 for a Johnson Port PSA 5

$8,900 for a Young Port PSA 4

The same bidder got the Young and Matty portraits. He was the runner up on the Johnson Port.

I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900, which I thought was a great price. And I got the Donlin Fielding PSA 6.5 for $1,200. Not cheap, but a tough card in high grade.

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.

[Bored5000]

I know the Jackie Robinson Bond Bread portrait keeps going up and up, but yikes at $3,250 for a PSA 2.

[trambo]

I picked up 17 T205s. That leaves 22 that I still need.

Steve

Nice work! I went 2-6 on the t205s. Both upgrades as I keep working to improve the set! Was hoping to fare a little better but the losses went for silly pricing.

[eliotdeutsch]

Anyone here pick up the t205 Evers? Perhaps it was an upgrade and you have an old one to sell?

[BruceinGa]

I won the Persons and Westlake :D but lost out on three others.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Last month a Young portrait 4 sold for 3200. This month another sells for 8900. That’s a nice return.

[pitchernut]

1 for 2... Love me auctions that end when it's posted to end:D

[Rhotchkiss]

Also $11,000 for a Johnson Port PSA 5

$8,900 for a Young Port PSA 4

The same bidder got the Young and Matty portraits. He was the runner up on the Johnson Port.

I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900, which I thought was a great price. And I got the Donlin Fielding PSA 6.5 for $1,200. Not cheap, but a tough card in high grade.

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.

Sean, you mind emailing me who that was? As you know, I was the underbidder on the Cobb and $1500 off the Matty. I am sure I have several/numerous cards this guy may be interested in....

[Throttlesteer]

I managed to get the E92 Cy Young SGC 5. At $1528, it seemed like a steal considering some of the other prices.

[PowderedH2O]

Not so long ago, I thought it was possible for a person with a moderate income to complete the T206 monster minus the big 3 in decent mid grade condition. It has now reached the point where that is not possible. Anyone with less than $25k a year of disposable income is now reduced to subsets or poor condition cards, unless they already have a huge start.

[alywa]

I was very pleased with a pickup of a PSA 2.5 Lajoie with bat... well under comparable prices.

[Touch'EmAll]

I bid on 3 card, were solid bids or so I thought. Got none. Like I said in the collecting focus thread, my recent focus has been outbid notices.

[MichelaiTorres83]

The Young card was not nice enough to warrant the price. The last one was. I am so glad I picked mine up at the national this year.

The green cobb is still a buy in my opinion. I think it is setting precidence for the other big time HOF portraits. It seems demand is through the roof. You can’t give money away in this country right now. It is so hard to find workers let alone quality workers.

[ullmandds]

The Young card was not nice enough to warrant the price. The last one was. I am so glad I picked mine up at the national this year.

The green cobb is still a buy in my opinion. I think it is setting precidence for the other big time HOF portraits. It seems demand is through the roof. You can’t give money away in this country right now. It is so hard to find workers let alone quality workers.

Uhhhhh...what?

[MichelaiTorres83]

Uhhhhh...what?

What? Maybe I did not connect the dots there properly.

Everyone is busy and jacking up the prices to get work done. Sometimes by double and triple what it cost last year.

There are a lot of people right now making a lot of extra disposible income. I am not sure where you live but when I call 30 electricians and when I get 1 phone call back for an estimate on a multi thousand dollar job and it is priced at 300 an hour, that tells me something.

I can not get a paver to call me back, a tree guy, a plumber and the list goes on. Like I said, I can not give my money away.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Last month a Young portrait 4 sold for 3200. This month another sells for 8900. That’s a nice return.

I think only two bidders participated over 3500. One with 10 feedback, one with all PWCC activity. So it goes.

[PiratesWS1979]

mm

[HawkFan70]

First time using Gavelsnipe. I went 0-4 but really didn't come very close to getting any of the bids. Looks like I need to sharpen my pencil a bit.

[Snapolit1]

I think only two bidders participated over 3500. One with 10 feedback, one with all PWCC activity. So it goes.

PWCC is cannibalizing a lot of the competition. Who else on ebay regularly sells high end (pardon the pun) Goudeys and the like? I don't see much besides them. Some of the other usual sources (Probstein), but a lot of his stuff is not auction format.

Noting that bidders of certain types of cards are constantly or exclusively going to PWCC these days hardly surprises me.

[t206fanatic]

Also $11,000 for a Johnson Port PSA 5

$8,900 for a Young Port PSA 4

The same bidder got the Young and Matty portraits. He was the runner up on the Johnson Port.

I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900, which I thought was a great price. And I got the Donlin Fielding PSA 6.5 for $1,200. Not cheap, but a tough card in high grade.

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.

I was the underbidder on the Donlin, that card is gorgeous congrats.

[Throttlesteer]

I'll take some money if you're handing it out. I'll need it to afford one of those portraits

[Tennis13]

I always watch the Gehrig stuff—-maybe not as close as another board member— and I was surprised the 1933 Goudey went so high. Big spread between it and the 1934 Goudey listed on ebay. I had no idea it would trade so high.

[mechanicalman]

I always watch the Gehrig stuff—-maybe not as close as another board member— and I was surprised the 1933 Goudey went so high. Big spread between it and the 1934 Goudey listed on ebay. I had no idea it would trade so high.

Are you referring to the SGC 8?

I also noticed the 34 5 went for more than the 6. A nice example of "buying the card."

[Tennis13]

Are you referring to the SGC 8?

I also noticed the 34 5 went for more than the 6. A nice example of "buying the card."


Yes, that one. It seems that card only comes in 8+ or 4-.....not too much in between. The 1934 I see on ebay has been up forever at $25k or best offer.

[JohnnyFinance7]

I was able to land a 1934 Goudey Gehrig in a PSA 4. Very excited as I thought it was well centered and the colors looked nice.

[bobbyw8469]

PWCC is cannibalizing a lot of the competition. Who else on ebay regularly sells high end (pardon the pun) Goudeys and the like? I don't see much besides them. Some of the other usual sources (Probstein), but a lot of his stuff is not auction format.

Noting that bidders of certain types of cards are constantly or exclusively going to PWCC these days hardly surprises me.

I think that has to do with the shunning of any other seller whose name is NOT PWCC or Probstein. Like you said, even Probstein gave up the auctions. With all other sellers being basically ignored, it is not cost effective to sell those items yourself.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What? Maybe I did not connect the dots there properly.

Everyone is busy and jacking up the prices to get work done. Sometimes by double and triple what it cost last year.

There are a lot of people right now making a lot of extra disposible income. I am not sure where you live but when I call 30 electricians and when I get 1 phone call back for an estimate on a multi thousand dollar job and it is priced at 300 an hour, that tells me something.

I can not get a paver to call me back, a tree guy, a plumber and the list goes on. Like I said, I can not give my money away.

In my area the demand for plumbers and electricians seems to outstrip the supply, it's very difficult to find one who will come any time soon or charge a reasonable fee.

[Sean]

Sean, you mind emailing me who that was? As you know, I was the underbidder on the Cobb and $1500 off the Matty. I am sure I have several/numerous cards this guy may be interested in....

I don't know who it is. I noticed that it was the same person, and that he only had a feedback score of 86, so he's either fairly new or he doesn't buy much on ebay.

[Sean]

I was the underbidder on the Donlin, that card is gorgeous congrats.

Hi Jeff, and thanks. I've been looking for a high grade Donlin fielding for about six years, and I always got outbid until last night. It's a really tough card in high grade.

[Rhotchkiss]

I don't know who it is. I noticed that it was the same person, and that he only had a feedback score of 86, so he's either fairly new or he doesn't buy much on ebay.

Gotcha. I looked at the bidders as the auctions neared a closing and was satisfied that the bidders were legit/the cards had not been shilled. I do think these were real sales.

[Sean]

I don't know who it is. I noticed that it was the same person, and that he only had a feedback score of 86, so he's either fairly new or he doesn't buy much on ebay.

And as Peter mentioned, he has 100% of his bids with PWCC. But no retractions. I agree that these were legitimate bids.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think that has to do with the shunning of any other seller whose name is NOT PWCC or Probstein. Like you said, even Probstein gave up the auctions. With all other sellers being basically ignored, it is not cost effective to sell those items yourself.

That's just not true that all other sellers are being shunned/ignored. I see guys doing just fine with nice cards every day. Perhaps they aren't bringing in world records with the stickered stuff, but otherwise...

[bounce]

That's just not true that all other sellers are being shunned/ignored. I see guys doing just fine with nice cards every day. Perhaps they aren't bringing in world records with the stickered stuff, but otherwise...

Related to this on the stickers, and as someone else already noted, that Young Portrait 4 while nice isn't worth that in my opinion.

From the description - "Shows like a '5' in every way we know to view a T206." - Well, 5s were $3800 cards until Dec-2018 when a 5 PQ became a $10k card. Except this one is actually a 4, not a 5. Four rounded corners, slightly off center to the left = certified high end?

Another example, at least of some description "flowering", the Cobb bat off 4.5. "...four mostly sharp corners...wear to the extreme corner tips...". I would ask that you look again, maybe top left is sorta "mostly sharp" (not really), but the other three are definitely touched with bottom right having a fold (?) and bottom left absolutely rounded. Rounded and sharp do not appear as synonyms anywhere I can locate. Still equals certified high end?

Seems I don't actually understand what these designations actually mean anymore. Seems to me it's just a "prop" used for nice looking cards that has become it's own "thing". We've beaten that discussion to death already, but I guess you can't disagree with the auction results of those stickers.



I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.

I had bid on all the higher grade dark and white caps, but ultimately backed off on all. This was a great looking card, certainly a good price compared to prior two sales over $5k each.


I bid on 70 cards, won zero. Was underbidder on one - the 1928 Star Candy Ted Lyons authentic.

Looking forward to round two of basically just watching TV tonight.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The stickers are, IMO, pure PT Barnum.

[PiratesWS1979]

Another example, at least of some description "flowering", the Cobb bat off 4.5. "...four mostly sharp corners...wear to the extreme corner tips...". I would ask that you look again, maybe top left is sorta "mostly sharp" (not really), but the other three are definitely touched with bottom right having a fold (?) and bottom left absolutely rounded. Rounded and sharp do not appear as synonyms anywhere I can locate. Still equals certified high end?


Don't forget the two dark spots on the sleeve. Nice card but for the money it has to have a clean image.

[bounce]

Don't forget the two dark spots on the sleeve. Nice card but for the money it has to have a clean image.

They pointed those out, but I take your point if you mean this "contribution" to not necessarily living up to the sticker.

All of it together is why I dropped out before the final bidding. It's nice, but it's not nice enough to justify that price for me.

[mechanicalman]

Related to this on the stickers, and as someone else already noted, that Young Portrait 4 while nice isn't worth that in my opinion.

From the description - "Shows like a '5' in every way we know to view a T206." - Well, 5s were $3800 cards until Dec-2018 when a 5 PQ became a $10k card. Except this one is actually a 4, not a 5. Four rounded corners, slightly off center to the left = certified high end?

Another example, at least of some description "flowering", the Cobb bat off 4.5. "...four mostly sharp corners...wear to the extreme corner tips...". I would ask that you look again, maybe top left is sorta "mostly sharp" (not really), but the other three are definitely touched with bottom right having a fold (?) and bottom left absolutely rounded. Rounded and sharp do not appear as synonyms anywhere I can locate. Still equals certified high end?

Seems I don't actually understand what these designations actually mean anymore. Seems to me it's just a "prop" used for nice looking cards that has become it's own "thing". We've beaten that discussion to death already, but I guess you can't disagree with the auction results of those stickers.




I had bid on all the higher grade dark and white caps, but ultimately backed off on all. This was a great looking card, certainly a good price compared to prior two sales over $5k each.


I bid on 70 cards, won zero. Was underbidder on one - the 1928 Star Candy Ted Lyons authentic.

Looking forward to round two of basically just watching TV tonight.

I bought the Cobb Bat Off you referenced. Didn’t even read the description. Just bought based on the image. And I don’t feel bad about the price, even if others do.

[Onlineracing]

I picked up 17 T205s. That leaves 22 that I still need.

Steve

I picked up 4 myself, leaves me 40 to go.

[RedsFan1941]

And I don’t feel bad about the price, even if others do.

one of america's greatest pastimes has become critiquing how other people spend money. cardboard envy is an ugly thing

[CW]

I also noticed the 34 5 went for more than the 6. A nice example of "buying the card."

Good point, Sam, and also the 33 Goudey #53 Ruth PSA 4 sold for $9635 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Goudey-Babe-Ruth-53-PSA-4-VGEX-PWCC-/401678736470?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137) while the 5 hammered down at $11,211 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Goudey-Babe-Ruth-53-PSA-5-EX-PWCC-/352559818581?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137), a slightly weak price for a 5 and a super strong price for the 4 narrowed the gap.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I bought the Cobb Bat Off you referenced. Didn’t even read the description. Just bought based on the image. And I don’t feel bad about the price, even if others do.

Tough card to find that well centered.

[bounce]

I bought the Cobb Bat Off you referenced. Didn’t even read the description. Just bought based on the image. And I don’t feel bad about the price, even if others do.

Hope you aren't taking this as me criticizing the purchase, because I'm not.

I'm criticizing what I consider a somewhat less than honest write up about the card, as well as some skepticism of the consistency of application of standards around how they award their stickers.

It's a great looking card, but just wasn't the right one for me. That's ok. Looks like it found the right home.

[MVSNYC]

Also $11,000 for a Johnson Port PSA 5

$8,900 for a Young Port PSA 4

The same bidder got the Young and Matty portraits. He was the runner up on the Johnson Port.

I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900, which I thought was a great price. And I got the Donlin Fielding PSA 6.5 for $1,200. Not cheap, but a tough card in high grade.

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.

Sean- I think I was the underbidder (or second UB) on that Matty Dark Cap. Beautiful card, congrats.

Also, as per your post above, Cy Young Portrait may be the next to really climb? Looks like crazy prices for him too last night. I might grab a few more now.

[jmb]

Are you referring to the SGC 8?

I also noticed the 34 5 went for more than the 6. A nice example of "buying the card."

The 5 Gehrig had great eye appeal while the 6 was ugly.

[Bridwell]

I was able to get 3 cards:

T206 Ganley PSA 6
T207 Nunamaker PSA 5
1937 O-Pee-Chee Pearson PSA 6

The 1st two were tough upgrades and the 3rd was a type card I didn't have.

I did not get the E107 Phillippe that went for over $10,000. Somebody made some good money on that one!

[3-2-count]

Beautiful Cobb "bat off" pick up Sam.

Congratulations my friend!

[mechanicalman]

Hope you aren't taking this as me criticizing the purchase, because I'm not.

I'm criticizing what I consider a somewhat less than honest write up about the card, as well as some skepticism of the consistency of application of standards around how they award their stickers.

It's a great looking card, but just wasn't the right one for me. That's ok. Looks like it found the right home.

Oh, I didn’t take it as criticism. I do agree the descriptions tend to round up dramatically, and that’s why I don’t read them. But I think many auctioneers tend to romance the attributes, a practice I’m sure the consignor appreciates.

[mechanicalman]

Beautiful Cobb "bat off" pick up Sam.

Congratulations my friend!

Thanks, Tony. I was watching that Ramly WaJo as well and thought of yours.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Oh, I didn’t take it as criticism. I do agree the descriptions tend to round up dramatically, and that’s why I don’t read them. But I think many auctioneers tend to romance the attributes, a practice I’m sure the consignor appreciates.

In this day and age of high resolution scans, less talk is definitely more. I get it when explaining memorabilia where the story is important and people may not be familiar with the item. With cards honestly I don't need to know how cool or amazing or gorgeous or anything else it is. High quality scan front and back and silence.

[Sean]

Cy Young Portrait may be the next to really climb? Looks like crazy prices for him too last night. I might grab a few more now.

Good idea. I think that the Young, Johnson and Mathewson portraits have all begun to climb.

I should have upgraded my Matty when I had the chance. :(

[MR RAREBACK]

thats a nice looking bat off cobb psa 4.5

[Roulette44]

Hi Jeff, and thanks. I've been looking for a high grade Donlin fielding for about six years, and I always got outbid until last night. It's a really tough card in high grade.

Congrats. I think you got a great price for it, frankly. After paying $2,250 for my 7.0, that is.
Joey

[Sean]

Congrats. I think you got a great price for it, frankly. After paying $2,250 for my 7.0, that is.
Joey

So you were the one who got that card. Good for you. It really is a tough card in high grade.

[Arazi4442]

Thanks, Tony. I was watching that Ramly WaJo as well and thought of yours.

I thought that Ramly Johnson went for a very fair price. Wish I had the money to bid on it.

[Throttlesteer]

I thought that Ramly Johnson went for a very fair price. Wish I had the money to bid on it.

Agreed. The T206 portrait craze definitely makes it feel like a much better deal. That Ramly WaJo was sweet, but I dropped out pretty early on.

[aloondilana]

The Ramly was the freakin steal of the auction. It went for 2600 less than REA got for it.