REA fun!

[Jason]

I really like the closing times of REA auctions. 5 minute bid clock will push the action. No way it goes past midnight EST so its perfect for early risers such as myself. Good luck to everyone bidding!

[OldOriole]

The last day is always crazy...in a fun kind of way. You just hope you end up on top on at least one of the 72 lots on which you initially bid. :)

[wolf441]

The last day is always crazy...in a fun kind of way. You just hope you end up on top on at least one of the 72 lots on which you initially bid. :)

+1, and you kind of hope you get outbid on at least some of the lots that you are winning on, so you don't have to cover a $10,000.00 bill (speaking as an average joe, good luck to all of the Net54 highrollers!). :)

[Dpoolem3]

Is the site moving like molasses for everyone or is it just me that jesus hates enough to slow my internet speed down right at closing time?


edit: also some steals with 5 minutes left....whats the normal ending like, the price doubles in extended bidding?(meaning bids come and roughly the final price is about double what the initial closing time price was)

[Stonepony]

Is the site moving like molasses for everyone or is it just me that jesus hates enough to slow my internet speed down right at closing time?


edit: also some steals with 5 minutes left....whats the normal ending like, the price doubles in extended bidding?(meaning bids come and roughly the final price is about double what the initial closing time price was)

Moving slow for me. My bids are in. I’ll be bidding later of course.

[Topnotchsy]

Is the site moving like molasses for everyone or is it just me that jesus hates enough to slow my internet speed down right at closing time?


edit: also some steals with 5 minutes left....whats the normal ending like, the price doubles in extended bidding?(meaning bids come and roughly the final price is about double what the initial closing time price was)

Site definitely seems slow to me.

As far as the bidding increases in extended time, it can stay at the current price, or go up 10x. Depends on the item.

[perezfan]

The site totally froze up (for me) at around 2:51 Pacific Time. Maybe it was just my computer, but infuriating either way. :mad:

[Dpoolem3]

Nothing is loading on my end....then my bids loaded and noticed one lot went up $500 while I still cant open the page, get a runtime error

[Jason]

Technical difficulties

[spacktrack]

We are aware of the site issues which are affecting users in certain parts of the United States. This is not a system-wide issue, but we have implemented all backups to ensure it flows smoothly for the rest of the night. Users may experience slight lagging, but the extended bidding period will not begin until all user servers are functioning at 100%. We expect this to be resolved shortly and will post an update when complete.

Thank you for your patience and apologies for the inconvenience.

[nolemmings]

Not only slow, but gives an error message to me after a long wait when I go to up my bid.:(

I guess that's the system preventing any extended bidding for now? I thought maybe just the clock was put on hold.

[spacktrack]

The site is back up and functioning for all users. Extended bidding will begin at 7 PM EST now due to the technical difficulties.

[tennisguy]

Are we in extended bidding? Can I still place initial bids? What’s going on???

[swarmee]

Initial bids for the next 5 minutes, then extended bidding opens.

[iowadoc77]

Nice work getting it back up and running Brian. And thanks for the communication

[asphaltman]

Well 9PM and I'm out. One has to know when to quit. :rolleyes:

[Jewish-collector]

Sometimes you gotta say, "A man has to know his limitations." :D

[ullmandds]

dunno about "fun?" i feel like the auction is slowing down the whole internet...and my wallets getting sweaty!!!

[x2drich2000]

Site is crawling here. Looking to increase a bid but keep getting system errors, guess it's telling me to just give up :(

[Stonepony]

Site not responding for me again

[tennisguy]

So slow I can’t even bid.

[ullmandds]

So slow I can’t even bid.

agreed

[ullmandds]

now we know why!

[spacktrack]

Earlier this evening an outage to our site affected users in certain areas of the United States and rendered the site unreachable as a result. To be fair to all bidders and consignors, we extended the initial bid deadline to 7 PM EST. Since then we've been monitoring the activity and things have been flowing smoothly with intermittent lagging.

AT THE BEST ADVICE OF OUR SERVICE PROVIDER, WE ARE TEMPORARILY TAKING DOWN THE SITE TO ADDRESS CAPACITY ISSUES. THIS IS ANTICIPATED TO TAKE TEN MINUTES. IDEALLY THIS WILL ADDRESS ALL LAGGING THAT IS BEING EXPERIENCED AND ALLOW THE FINAL HOURS OF THE AUCTION TO FLOW SMOOTHLY.

This decision is not being made lightly but we are confident that it will improve the user experience while still leaving several hours in extended bidding. The auction is still expected to end as planned.

We thank you for your patience and appreciate your participation.

[Stonepony]

They told me they’d be down until ?9

[tennisguy]

Very disappointing! I guess that’s all for me.

[brob28]

Anyone else still having issues getting on the site? I cant seem to get on right now.

[tombocombo]

Having difficulty was logging in.

[martyp]

I can get on the homepage, but not the auction.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Same issue as others.

[brob28]

I have one item I was contemplating one last bid on. Perhaps this is divine intervention telling me no... :D

[Jasonxmay]

As a consigned, I’d urge you to reconsider. 😂

I have one item I was contemplating one last bid on. Perhaps this is divine intervention telling me no... :D

[spacktrack]

As of 8 minutes ago, we are back up and running and seeing much improved traffic flow.

We appreciate the patience and participation.

[Sean]

Works fine for me now. :)

[Sean]

And now it's down again. :(

[jburl]

Yep, down here too.

edit: Back up for me at 8:57 p CST

[ullmandds]

I'm out anyway...I hope the auction doesn't not end today as a result of these issues?

[ejharrington]

Back up

[tennisguy]

Working on my end.

[russkcpa]

So now regular bidding ends at 10:15 ? I bid on 2 high dollar lots and I think this is ridiculous.

[1880nonsports]

that's what was said. It seems fine now. I'm sure Brian will post something if there's a question.

[Fred]

Holy crap, that Claxton is moving...

[Snapolit1]

I like when there is a minor auction closing night technical snafu of some sort and people act all outraged and shit ..... like we are bidding on life saving medications for our children or something really important.

[spacktrack]

We thank all participants for their patience during the short maintenance period earlier in which the site was offline. This was a necessary step to ensure smooth functionality for the remainder of the auction.

The auction will end as planned no later than 12 AM Midnight EST. The site is functioning as designed, all bidders and phone callers have been kept apprised of the situation, and all expected participants are engaged and bidding.

This will be one of two emails prior to the end of the auction. We encourage bidders to use Honest Auto Bid to avoid disappointment. That is the best way to ensure you are not locked out of the action.

The next e-mail will be a FAIR WARNING e-mail indicating that the close of the auction is imminent.

THE AUCTION WILL END PRIOR TO MIDNIGHT TO AVOID A CRUSH OF TRAFFIC. THE EXACT TIME WILL BE UNKNOWN SO PLEASE DO NOT DELAY ONCE THE FAIR WARNING E-MAIL IS RECEIVED!

The entire auction will close at once. It will not continue beyond Midnight EST under any circumstances!

[nolemmings]

Timed out on me again. Site gives me either runtime error message or "system error" message. Very disappointing.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Timed out on me again. Site gives me either runtime error message or "system error" message. Very disappointing.


+1.

[calvindog]

I can't sign in.

[prestigecollectibles]

It's working fine for me at the moment.

[WillowGrove]

can't bid.

[iowadoc77]

Seems to be the general consensus. No bidding

[calvindog]

System error.

[iowadoc77]

System error.

Yep

[calvindog]

Being unable to bid is a minor technical snafu with the site apparently; what would be a major snafu? Brian comes to your house and stabs you to death?

[ejharrington]

I can't bid

[iowadoc77]

I can't bid

Along with many others apparently

[itjclarke]

I'm still getting intermittent errors and/or general site slowness

[perezfan]

Same here. Says "Runtime Error". Cannot get past it.

Can we change the title of this thread to "REA Funk"?

[Griffins]

I can't bid now either. If you consigned Tango Eggs or Hires Test you got screwed, I had a few more bids left. Oh well, more in the war chest for Heritage and LOTG.

[glenv]

I can view my bids, but not open an item's page to bid on it. Wait, now nothing works, I just get a page saying: Server Error in '/' Application.

[iowadoc77]

I can view my bids, but not open an item's page to bid on it. Wait, now nothing works, I just get a page saying: Server Error in '/' Application.

Same here.

[tothrk]

Somebody famous once said that you have to know when to fold ‘em or something like that. Somebody probably lost out because I was gonna go all eBay/museum price crazy just out of convenience in order to get five items I’ve wanted for too long.

[seablaster]

Yikes.

[Jobu]

Not really enjoying this as a consignor.

[oldjudge]

I’ve been collecting Old Judges for a long time but can someone please explain to me why the 1890 Old Judge Clement is at $1100. I know 1890 cards are scarcer, but unless you are collecting every variation in the set—so what. It’s an existing pose, one with a typically bad 1890 image. Unlike all Players’ League cards and many 1890 National League cards it does not portray a team change for the player. Whoever wants this card should also want the 1887, 1888 and 1889 Clement cards because they are no different, just another year of a Clement Philadelphia card. Amazing.

[Lorewalker]

Being unable to bid is a minor technical snafu with the site apparently; what would be a major snafu? Brian comes to your house and stabs you to death?

Guess I am the only one who thought this was hilarious...I mean, you were joking, right?

[calvindog]

Possibly.

[spacktrack]

We thank all participants for their patience during tonight's server issues. We have been working tirelessly to address with our service providers.

Since our last e-mail, service to the site was interrupted and as a result we are extending the auction 30 minutes in accordance with section 25 of our Terms & Conditions to accommodate all bidders and consignors.

The auction will end no later than 12:30 AM EST.

This will be the FINAL EMAIL prior to the end of the auction. We encourage bidders to use Honest Auto Bid to avoid disappointment. That is the best way to ensure you are not locked out of the action.

There will be no warning as to exactly when the auction will end prior to 12:30 AM EST.

THE EXACT TIME WILL BE UNKNOWN SO PLEASE DO NOT DELAY! The entire auction will close at once.

[Sean]

They've extended their closing time to 12:30 AM. Still plenty of time for me to be outbid.

[Sean]

Oops, Brian beat me to it.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Still not letting me bid

[ejharrington]

Site down

[iowadoc77]

Site down

Yep

[Kawika]

Was able to adjust my bids about fifteen minutes ago but can't get bid-pages to load now. Tough to win an auction this way.

[WillowGrove]

yep can't bid.

[Topnotchsy]

I've been outbid on everything i was going after, and have reached my limits, (unless I get caught up in things and bid beyond what I told myself I would :) )

Hope everyone gets the bids in they were intending. Hope the sellers get the prices they were hoping for (and more).

@Bryan, I'm sure the internet issues are making for a brutal evening. In our few interactions and when I consigned last auction you were always great. Hope this gets worked out in a way that works all around.

[calvindog]

Was able to adjust my bids about fifteen minutes ago but can't get bid-pages to load now. Tough to win an auction this way.

Good, so you won't see my bids which topped yours. Just the way I like it.

[ZiggerZagger]

Please make this stop.

[Kawika]

Good, so you won't see my bids which topped yours. Just the way I like it.
No shame coming in second to you, Jeff. I respect your passion.

[frankbmd]

"Oh we'll have fun, fun, fun 'til daddy takes the server away."

[MichelaiTorres83]

I read that it would close no later than midnight. It is 20 past.

It also seems like the site crashes every 5 minutes. It might be worth upgrading your technology so it can handle the load.

[iowadoc77]

I read that it would close no later than midnight. It is 20 past.

Extended to 1230

[MR RAREBACK]

Unable to bid down again

[calvindog]

No shame coming in second to you, Jeff. I respect your passion.

REA is broken. Maybe we'll find out tomorrow who won?

[canjond]

I read that it would close no later than midnight. It is 20 past.

It also seems like the site crashes every 5 minutes. It might be worth upgrading your technology so it can handle the load.

#fakenews

[nolemmings]

Site down for me now. I quit.

[Aaron Seefeldt]

how am I getting outbid when I haven't been able to get in for 30+ mins??

[calvindog]

how am I getting outbid when I haven't been able to get in for 30+ mins??

Same.

[oldjudge]

LOL, at least Mastro can’t be blamed for crashing the site. Time to go to the bullpen for Rob.

[iowadoc77]

I guess I need to start taking the monday after REA off or at least the morning for sleep! I love the earlier close. Not so much tonight.

[MichelaiTorres83]

I am in the camp of people that would like to go to bed.

“Under no circumstances will the auction continue beyond 12 AM Midnight EST.”

Does this mean that any bids after midnight will be nullified?

[Sean]

12:35 AM and still continuing? Maybe this will end up at 5:30 like the old days.

[oldjudge]

LOL, at least Mastro can’t be blamed for crashing the site. Time to go to the bullpen for Rob.

[ejharrington]

I can't get on the site? Is the auction over?

It would be good if REA e-mailed me to let me know what is going on? I only found out about the 12:30 deadline from this site.

[tothrk]

Hopefully they’ll extend it all nite so I can try, but fail to log in or bid.

[the-illini]

So I guess 12:30 was a soft close...

[ZiggerZagger]

I feel for the consignors and the bidders both.

But dang, we're now in double-OT, well past 12:30, which was supposedly the very end.
Got the max bids in before midnight like a good boy, with now an extra 45 minutes of last-second sniping by fellow bidders every time the clock ticks down another 5 minutes.

Not life or death, but not really enjoying being the midnight snack for the passing vultures...:rolleyes:

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[seablaster]

So I guess 12:30 was a soft close...

Apparently...

:(

[iowadoc77]

Hopefully they’ll extend it all nite so I can try, but fail to log in or bid.

That would be great if none of us had anything going on tomorrow. Not the case for me.

[T206Collector]

Not life or death, but not really enjoying being the midnight snack for the passing vultures.

+1

[Jobu]

I think they should move the close to tomorrow night 9 pm EST with a hard close at 11 pm EST and get things fully straightened out.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

I think they should move the close to tomorrow night 9 pm EST with a hard close at 11 pm EST and get things fully straightened out.


But the anxiety to wait another day lol

[calvindog]

I think they should move the close to tomorrow night 9 pm EST with a hard close at 11 pm EST and get things fully straightened out.

I'd cancel every bid from 11:30 EST on and keep it going until tomorrow -- ending at 11 pm.

[Majestic]

I haven't been able to log-in in quite a while (system error, etc etc)...As far as i am concerned it ended at 12:00 No idea if any of my bids are still standing or not, i have been getting outbid notices so someone is able to bid, just not I.. I'm tapping out, i will find out if i won anything in the morning.

[oldjudge]

This auction is like the energizer bunny.

[nolemmings]

I'd cancel every bid from 11:30 EST on and keep it going until tomorrow -- ending at 11 pm.

Ditto

[canjond]

Just in....

"We thank all participants for their patience during tonight's server issues. We have been working tirelessly to address it with our service providers. This is an extenuating circumstance for which we greatly apologize.

Since our last e-mail, service to the site was interrupted and as a result we are extending the auction in accordance with section 25 of our Terms & Conditions to accommodate all bidders and consignors. This is a situation beyond our control.

We understand this is less than ideal for everyone, including us, but we are working to be fair to all bidders and consignors. We are in the final process of inputting bids with phone bidders and internet bidders alike. We are keeping the auction open until such time that access to site is consistent for a period of 15 minutes. THE EXACT ENDING TIME WILL BE UNKNOWN SO PLEASE DO NOT DELAY! The entire auction will close at once.

We encourage bidders to use Honest Auto Bid to avoid disappointment. That is the best way to ensure you are not locked out of the action."

[spacktrack]

We thank all participants for their patience during tonight's server issues. We have been working tirelessly to address it with our service providers. This is an extenuating circumstance for which we greatly apologize.

Since our last e-mail, service to the site was interrupted and as a result we are extending the auction in accordance with section 25 of our Terms & Conditions to accommodate all bidders and consignors. This is a situation beyond our control.

We understand this is less than ideal for everyone, including us, but we are working to be fair to all bidders and consignors. We are in the final process of inputting bids with phone bidders and internet bidders alike. We are keeping the auction open until such time that access to site is consistent for a period of 15 minutes. THE EXACT ENDING TIME WILL BE UNKNOWN SO PLEASE DO NOT DELAY! The entire auction will close at once.

We encourage bidders to use Honest Auto Bid to avoid disappointment. That is the best way to ensure you are not locked out of the action.

More information will be communicated as it is available.

[Lorewalker]

Frustrating for bidders and really unfortunate for consignors. Has anyone from the AH sent out an email since their last post here which indicated a 12:30 close? I am assuming the 12:30 close was picked under the presumption their server was working, which it seems it is not.

[the-illini]

I am done. Still winning some things (I think) but I am not wasting any more time trying to figure out where I stand.

[iowadoc77]

I know Brian and company are doing all they can but this royally sucks for anyone who can’t stay up all night on a Sunday night hoping servers work to babysit their bids. Just airing my frustrations. I realize it is multiple times more frustrating for REA.

[ZiggerZagger]

Well I just got jacked for an extra $700 bucks because this auction didn't close when it was supposed to.

I understand the need to give everyone a fair chance to bid, but the site has been working intermittently. Anyone who really wanted to bid has had a chance to.

The Consigners have been fairly served. Now it's those of us with high protective bids out there who are exposed. We're the only ones taking any risk any longer. :mad:

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[iowadoc77]

I am done. Still winning some things (I think) but I am not wasting any more time trying to figure out where I stand.

Likely right behind you Chris.

[iowadoc77]

Well I just got jacked for an extra $700 bucks because this auction didn't close when it was supposed to.

I understand the need to give everyone a fair chance to bid, but the site has been working intermittently. Anyone who really wanted to bid has had a chance to.

The Consigners have been fairly served. Now it's those of us with high protective bids out there who are exposed. We're the only ones taking any risk any longer. :mad:

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Lots of truth here.

[the-illini]

Well I just got jacked for an extra $700 bucks because this auction didn't close when it was supposed to.

I understand the need to give everyone a fair chance to bid, but the site has been working intermittently. Anyone who really wanted to bid has had a chance to.

The Consigners have been fairly served. Now it's those of us with high protective bids out there who are exposed. We're the only ones taking any risk any longer. :mad:

.

Same here. I am a thousand bucks poorer because of that. Almost hope I get outbid.

[calvindog]

A 5% reduction on the BP on the invoices might be a good idea.

[iowadoc77]

A 5% reduction on the BP on the invoices might be a good idea.

I was actually thinking the same thing Jeff. Solid idea.

[Sean]

Same here. I am a thousand bucks poorer because of that. Almost hope I get outbid.

+1.... except for the part about hoping to be outbid.

[OldOriole]

THE AUCTION WILL END PRIOR TO MIDNIGHT TO AVOID A CRUSH OF TRAFFIC. THE EXACT TIME WILL BE UNKNOWN SO PLEASE DO NOT DELAY ONCE THE FAIR WARNING E-MAIL IS RECEIVED!

The entire auction will close at once. It will not continue beyond Midnight EST under any circumstances!

I wish this was true. Lost $600 on a vulture trying to snipe well after midnight. I understand that this is frustrating for everyone involved, including REA to be sure but I concur that everyone has had an amble chance to bid. We had two weeks to set up bids, then postings saying 'don;t wait until the end', then 2+ overtimes. Apparently many people did wait until the end, and that created capacity issues. Have to get up in a few hours, not sure what else to say except it sure is disappointing.

[iowadoc77]

It has been 15 minutes since the last email and servers seem to be working. Let’s close this thing!

[iowadoc77]

I wish this was true. Lost $600 on a vulture trying to snipe well after midnight. I understand that this is frustrating for everyone involved, including REA to be sure but I concur that everyone has had an amble chance to bid. We had two weeks to set up bids, then postings saying 'don;t wait until the end', then 2+ overtimes. Apparently many people did wait until the end, and that created capacity issues. Have to get up in a few hours, not sure what else to say except it sure is disappointing.

Very well said.

[clydepepper]

Oh, I thought it was THIS 12:30AM


I'll check back much, much later...some of us still operate on some sleep.


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[the-illini]

The latest email allows for the auction to be kept open as long as it takes to make sure consignors are satisfied.

[OldOriole]

The latest email allows for the auction to be kept open as long as it takes to make sure consignors are satisfied.

There's a balance between keeping both consignors and bidders happy....right now it's a tightrope.

[the-illini]

There's a balance between keeping both consignors and bidders happy....right now it's a tightrope.

Would be easier to accept if they hadn’t extended it twice already and said the auction was closing 50 minutes ago.

[nolemmings]

Still not working and utter bullshit.

[iowadoc77]

Still not working and utter bullshit.

There has been extremely ample time to get bids in. Bidders getting the short end for sure.

[OldOriole]

Would be easier to accept if they hadn’t extended it twice already and said the auction was closing 50 minutes ago.

Amen.

[Blunder19]

As a consignor i am not happy... i am trying to get to the landing pages for my items and the page wont load... if i cant get there how are bidders supposed to get there???

[iowadoc77]

As a consignor i am not happy... i am trying to get to the landing pages for my items and the page wont load... if i cant get there how are bidders supposed to get there???

I understand your frustration but there has been a LOT of time to get there.

[ZiggerZagger]

I wish this was true. Lost $600 on a vulture trying to snipe well after midnight. I understand that this is frustrating for everyone involved, including REA to be sure but I concur that everyone has had an amble chance to bid. We had two weeks to set up bids, then postings saying 'don;t wait until the end', then 2+ overtimes. Apparently many people did wait until the end, and that created capacity issues. Have to get up in a few hours, not sure what else to say except it sure is disappointing.


I actually have a lot of sympathy for Brian and the folks at REA. This wasn't in the plans, and I'm sure they've struggled to come up with anything that seemed remotely fair on the fly.

Sadly, in trying to keep the Consignors happy, it's allowed the auction to take it to a whole new zone of increasing bids that would have never materialized otherwise. They've got a huge challenge in trying to make this right over the next week or so.

Cosigners are going to want full price. Buyers aren't going to want to pay extra money they unfairly accrued in overtime (It will not continue beyond Midnight EST under any circumstances...)
There's only one other pot of funds out there -- the Buyer's Premiums from the Auction House tasked to put on a functioning auction.

Someone is going to have to eat this, and it's very unfortunate.


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[Aaron Seefeldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdnwLzrYe9c

[nolemmings]

I understand your frustration but there has been a LOT of time to get there.

B.S. It's been spotty for hours. If I win the couple I was leading I sure hope my servers are working when it's time to write my check.

[canjond]

And its over...

[Sean]

It just closed, and I won my item, so I guess I shouldn't complain about that last snipe. :)

[the-illini]

I feel bad for REA but once they had to bounce the servers they never should have considered closing tonight.

[Blunder19]

Very disappointing with my item's ending price. Extremely disappointed in REA.

they have 2 nights a year to "get it right"... i can let you know it effected my bidding... my frustration caused me to shy away from items i was interested in purchasing leading up to this evening.

[Lorewalker]

No doubt this had to be frustrating to the AH. Per their own rules, which they even referred to in their last post, it seems that once they determined the servers were not going to cooperate the best thing would have been to postpone the close until it could close properly. By dragging it out and nobody knowing when or if it was going to close buyers may have had to pay more and frustrated buyers who stopped trying to bid only hurt the consignors' end results.

Poorly played to try to squeeze it in just because it was supposed to end tonight.

[rhettyeakley]

Not a win for either side...

Bidders feel like they should have won at the announced time, given how difficult it was sign in and bid for the vast majority of the bidders leading up to that time this doesn’t seem really fair and things were cheaper than they would have been at that time (and they know that)

Consigners unhappy because how many people simply gave up out of sheer frustration (I pretty much did as a bidder) which theoretically results in a lower price.

No win, honestly not sure what a solution should have been.

In the past an auction house extended to the next day once they realized they were having server issues, which wasn’t popular but may have been the solution to make. One would need to make that call much earlier if they went that route.

[oldjudge]

Looking at the results there were some really high selling prices and a few bargains, just like every auction. Today was unfortunate, but I think Brian, Dean and the guys should be commended for assembling a great auction.

[Jasonxmay]

I consigned a very large signed card collection, and I’m obviously disappointed by the technical issues, but I know Brian did everything he could to resolve the situation fairly. Did I lose some bids because of the issues? Certainly, but the prices were very strong and if you’d told me going in what I would end up with I would have taken it in a second. I also won a nice Babe Ruth signed baseball at a great price, so I feel like I came out well as a buyer and a seller. I’m sure these issues will be resolved by the next auction and I’d recommend REA to anyone looking to sell.

Jason

[clydepepper]

I was fortunate enough to miss most of the technical issues...but only won one of my three items...but only because I held fast to my limit on the two I missed. The one I did win has been a white whale to me for awhile.

Bravo to Brian for putting on a good show. As much heck as we tend to lay on him, we should also appreciate the effort.


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[Rickyy]

Couldn't get in for the last hour or so except toward the last half hour...and then got locked out again until it was way over...really frustrating...ended up losing them all...including one item I really wanted due to last minute bid.....oh well... at least the Dodgers Lost. :p

Ricky Y

[dabbuu]

I could not be more upset with this auction and the way it went, it may be time for a hiatus.

[Stonepony]

Botched ending cost me a high dollar whale... and the consignor a lot of cash.

[charlietheexterminator]

Won some cards that I couldn’t believe my bids held up. Not good for the consignor I guess. Actually I was hoping to get out bid on a few pieces.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Botched ending cost me a high dollar whale... and the consignor a lot of cash.

which card

[Stonepony]

which card

The 54 Mantle Stahl Meyer. My last bid was at 1137. My bid was high at midnight. Never got an outbid text. Would have gone several thousand higher. Had no idea auction was again extended. Oh well. Should I have used autobid- in retrospect yes...but I didnt know I was participating in a flawed system. Text alerts set up with HA. No worries, it happens.

[mechanicalman]

Like most, I encountered some bidding issues, and like some, I lost out on a white whale. But I didn't lose the card because of the bidding issues. I lost because some schmo wanted it more than I did and put in a higher bid. I figure I had the better part of a month to put in a crazy high bid with a high probability of winning, but I didn't. It was my bad.

I know the technical issues suck, but personally, I think Brian and team made the right adjustments given the circumstances.

[Rhotchkiss]

I rarely agree with a Wolverine, but I totally agree with you here Sam.

+1

[aconte]

I also agree Brian and his team did his best and wouldn't think twice to
consign again with him. It was a tough night for sure and Brian handled
it professionally.

[Jobu]

I disagree with all of the "ample time to bid" arguments. I think a fraction of people put in high ceiling bids and wait to see them chipped away. Most of us bid in the OT, and often as late as we can stomach staying up. I know I watched a Wajo rppc I liked in the last auction go from about $5k to about $15k over the last 30-45 minutes before close this spring. Last night I couldnt get the site to load for almost all of the time between 815 pm CST and midnight CST when I gave up.

There may have been some strong prices but REA always brings lots of strong prices bc people send them great stuff and the fact that some stuff sold strong does not mean that everything played out as it would have if the system worked properly. If bidders could only get to the site for a fraction of the last 4-5 hours, there is no arguing that this snafu didn't cost REA a lot of bids because people got pissed and gave up, as people have admitted, or kept trying to bid but couldn't and eventually had to go to bed. Many aren't willing to keep calling in bids - and how are people supposed to know they have been out bid and need to call in another bid if they can't check the site to see the price? I am sure tons of bidders don't come here to talk about what is going on either. If you don't like that you got bid up you should be happy that things didn't work right because I think it is highly likely that it would have been worse had the site been working.

I feel for what Brian is going to have to go through this week, and I know Brian is a good guy, but last night was a disaster.

[calvindog]

The auction was a disaster but I was able to put in bids on all the cards I wanted although with difficulty and maddening frustration. That being said I think many people gave up as the ending was not a frenzy. So if you wanted the cards you could get them -- as long as you were willing to stay up unti 1:30 am on the east coast on a Sunday night. Not many can and my ass is dragging today. In addition, the continued extended closing cost ceiling bidders some money.

REA is my favorite auction house and in my mind the epitome of honesty and professiamlsim in our hobby. But last night was a disaster and they will have a hard time convincing people to consign big ticket items now. Some good faith gesture should occur as many people are pissed. In addition it's time to upgrade their bandwidth as this can't happen again.

[Republicaninmass]

I thought it had ended when I couldnt get the pages up. Outbid on every single item anyhow, so they wont miss my revenue

[frankbmd]

Once a problem like this occurs, bidders and consignors both ramp up their efforts to access the auction site to try to bid or follow their consignments. The timing of the problem at the peak activity of a normal auction was critical.

The irony is that thousands of folks continually trying to access the site because of the problem no doubt compounded the problem and made it worse and incapable of being resolved in a reasonable amount of real time as the countdown clock ticked away.

Pick your storm, but if a hurricane is large enough and strong enough, everybody gets blown away and wet. The service provider, the auction house, the bidders and the consignors all must pick up the pieces and move on.

[sgbernard]

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=51659

Whoah. That's a very strong price.

[ullmandds]

Once a problem like this occurs, bidders and consignors both ramp up their efforts to access the auction site to try to bid or follow their consignments. The timing of the problem at the peak activity of a normal auction was critical.

The irony is that thousands of folks continually trying to access the site because of the problem no doubt compounded the problem and made it worse and incapable of being resolved in a reasonable amount of real time as the countdown clock ticked away.

Pick your storm, but if a hurricane is large enough and strong enough, everybody gets blown away and wet. The service provider, the auction house, the bidders and the consignors all must pick up the pieces and move on.

What?? Where is the humor in this post Frank ???

[Snapolit1]

What?? Where is the humor in this post Frank ???

All 20+ items I was interested in when for prices well above what I thought was fair market value. Not saying I wouldn't be a little miffed if I was a consignor, but I didn't see anyone running away with any steals.

[frankbmd]

Once a problem like this occurs, bidders and consignors both ramp up their efforts to access the auction site to try to bid or follow their consignments. The timing of the problem at the peak activity of a normal auction was critical.

The irony is that thousands of folks continually trying to access the site because of the problem no doubt compounded the problem and made it worse and incapable of being resolved in a reasonable amount of real time as the countdown clock ticked away.

Pick your storm, but if a hurricane is large enough and strong enough, everybody gets blown away and wet. The service provider, the auction house, the bidders and the consignors all must pick up the pieces and move on.

What?? Where is the humor in this post Frank ???

Peter, I was neither an REA bidder or consignor last night, so I just went to eBay and overpaid for a couple of items there. Is that better?

[Fred]

I was underbidder on (3) lots. I knew my bid was topped on two of the items but when I checked the other item I was on top until after the auction ended. So what does that mean? Mo money for another auction.

I look at the REA track record and I see an anomaly like this as unusual and can be addressed as "shit happens".

Life without an REA catalog during the year would be just miserable. Admit it, we're all like 6 year old children when that catalog arrives.

[Fred]

All 20+ items I was interested in when for prices well above what I thought was fair market value. Not saying I wouldn't be a little miffed if I was a consignor, but I didn't see anyone running away with any steals.

Aint that the truth. I'm going to guess that there may have been a little money left on the table but in the end it was another good night for REA consignors.

[ValKehl]

I feel bad for REA but once they had to bounce the servers they never should have considered closing tonight.

+1. Chris, I completely agree with you. I have the highest regard for REA/Brian and his crew, but as I see it, the only folks that should be happy with last night's debacle are those bidders who won lots because other bidders gave up trying to get in to bid.

[ejharrington]

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=51659

Whoah. That's a very strong price.
I love that card and was an under-bidder. It's a little bit outside my normal collection focus but I think it's a great looking card. There's not a lot of market comparisons for this card.

[Fred]

Regarding the N154 in the link for the previous post.... did they super-impose the head of the candidate on to the body of one of those female baseball players from the female baseball cards that were issued? I never really noticed that before...

Edited to add... yes, that was a strong price! I can't imagine the consignor is disappointed in that result.

[swarmee]

Regarding the N154 in the link for the previous post.... did they super-impose the head of the candidate on to the body of one of those female baseball players from the female baseball cards that were issued?

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/N48/go.html
http://www.oldcardboard.com/n/n154/n154.jpg matches the first one.

[ullmandds]

the hammer on this "numerically graded" strip was outrageous!

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=52265

[calvindog]

I love that card and was an under-bidder. It's a little bit outside my normal collection focus but I think it's a great looking card. There's not a lot of market comparisons for this card.

Here's some more: https://flickr.com/photos/31037508@N05/sets/72157699801558315

[Stonepony]

The 54 Mantle Stahl Meyer. My last bid was at 1137. My bid was high at midnight. Never got an outbid text. Would have gone several thousand higher. Had no idea auction was again extended. Oh well. Should I have used autobid- in retrospect yes...but I didnt know I was participating in a flawed system. Text alerts set up with HA. No worries, it happens.

Uhhhhh, I just got an Email from REA that I won this lot. ( Hence the no outbid text). It was clearly MY confusion this morning and not any sort of communication on REAs end

[Bkrum]

There is soooooo much stuff on this auction that it’s hard for me to follow. What trends did everyone see? What went strong and what didn’t? I consigned some unopened boxes and my hockey/basketball did well but baseball a little softer than expected

[Leon]

There is soooooo much stuff on this auction that it’s hard for me to follow. What trends did everyone see? What went strong and what didn’t? I consigned some unopened boxes and my hockey/basketball did well but baseball a little softer than expected

I bid on around 53 different items and won 3. I thought everything looked about right but that is just me. The issues affected me but not to the extent I won or lost anything because of them nor did i pay a higher price for the items I did win. I wouldn't want to be that hosting company today.

[rlorenz]

I have the most upmost respect for REA...but after all that went on last night and the fact that the issues here on the west coast where quite horrible i just walked away from my computer and just gave up on the auction after multiple hours of trying to bid. These issues ran for a good part of the afternoon. and to be honest i figure REA and the Consignor lost out on 5-10k in additional income.

The argument could be made that i should just put my top bid from the get go...but lets be honest that is not the way that I personally run auctions. So this is on me. But hind site....knowing that these issues effected people for more than just a few hours. They should extended the bidding by one full day.

I am sure if you tack on my bids in addition to all of the others REA lost out (PURE GUESS) to be really clear atleast 100-150k in additional income. But that is just a pure guess i am throwing a number out there...

But it happens...there will always be another auction but REA should change its policies where if there are major website issues that last longer than X they should allow for a full day extension. It only benefits them and the Consignor and ironically the bidders that really want the item.

Just my two cents right or wrong.

And did anyone see that 59 Aaron psa 8 for 900$ ~ something tells me someone either miss bid or the website was causing bidding issues

[mb2005]

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=52427

Whoever got this one got a pretty good deal I think...

[ValKehl]

I bid on around 53 different items and won 3. I thought everything looked about right but that is just me. The issues affected me but not to the extent I won or lost anything because of them nor did i pay a higher price for the items I did win. I wouldn't want to be that hosting company today.

Leon, I don't understand how you can say the REA issues didn't affect you regarding the 3 items you won. Had some (many?) bidders not given up trying get into the auction to place additional bids, you might not have won any of the 3 lots.

My "white whale" in this auction was this Western Playground of Peckinpaugh, https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=52134 , which I wanted for my collection of 1924 Senators. I am shocked at what it sold for (I didn't win it), especially as a nice SGC 30 of another player sold for half of what Peckinpaugh sold for. I assume two WP set collectors badly needed the Peckinpaugh card.

Speaking of cards that went strong, how about this PC: https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=51979 I realize there are some hard-core T210 collectors, but "holy moly, that's a lot of moolah."

[ejharrington]

Here's some more: https://flickr.com/photos/31037508@N05/sets/72157699801558315
Thanks for sharing, very nice set.

[x2drich2000]

I definitely wouldn't want to be the hosting company either, but it is impossible for anyone to say exactly how much the outages cost in bids. Like most years, I didn't see many bargains. I was quite shocked by the Tango Eggs Evers. I understand it is the only one known, but $11k?!?

DJ

[Fred]

Holy cow, I think they did super-impose the presidential candidates heads on the bodies of women for the N84 series.

[glenv]

Not sure the consigners always lost money. I was high bidder on a lot at 12. Then got outbid twice, but got in another bid and was leading at 12:30. Then got outbid again. I put in one final bid at 12:45, which held up. So there were eight bids on the item after 12...

[Leon]

I can say it because I lived it. None of my won items were bumped for the last few hours and I won all 3, a few below my up to bids.

ps...now that I think about it maybe there was one lot bumped once but not to my high autobid, after the issues started.

Leon, I don't understand how you can say the REA issues didn't affect you regarding the 3 items you won. Had some (many?) bidders not given up trying get into the auction to place additional bids, you might not have won any of the 3 lots.

My "white whale" in this auction was this Western Playground of Peckinpaugh, https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=52134 , which I wanted for my collection of 1924 Senators. I am shocked at what it sold for (I didn't win it), especially as a nice SGC 30 of another player sold for half of what Peckinpaugh sold for. I assume two WP set collectors badly needed the Peckinpaugh card.

Speaking of cards that went strong, how about this PC: https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=51979 I realize there are some hard-core T210 collectors, but "holy moly, that's a lot of moolah."

[Michael Peich]

Speaking of cards that went strong, how about this PC: https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=51979 I realize there are some hard-core T210 collectors, but "holy moly, that's a lot of moolah."

Val--It was a breathtaking final hammer for the postcard of the seven-year old son of Goldsboro's manager. Ironically, as the back attests, the card originally came from Fred Stoehr's estate. Stoehr played for a short time with the 1910 Goldsboro Giants. Despite my early bidding, i didn't with the card!

Cheers,
Mike

[byrone]

I'm not a tech guy, but should a hosting company have a website that looks like it belongs in 1995?

http://www.createauction.com/features_hosting.html

[ccre]

I bid early on this postcard too but I never imagined it would sell for that final price. Amazing! Great story on it. Val--It was a breathtaking final hammer for the postcard of the seven-year old son of Goldsboro's manager. Ironically, as the back attests, the card originally came from Fred Stoehr's estate. Stoehr played for a short time with the 1910 Goldsboro Giants. Despite my early bidding, i didn't with the card!

Cheers,
Mike

[Jobu]

Yeah, but for people who were frozen out of the site for 3+ hours and then quit, there could have been more bids that were never placed. Or, maybe not. :)

I can say it because I lived it. None of my won items were bumped for the last few hours and I won all 3, a few below my up to bids.

[Leon]

Anything is possible. There is also such thing as a phone. :cool: I started collecting late compared to many on our forum but in 1996 I don't think there were tons of internet auctions yet. Most I participated in (maybe all of them) I had to call in (or write in, which I didn't do) bids. If there was something I couldn't live without last night then I would have picked up the phone. I understand not everyone will do that. Advantage- Old fogey. :)

Yeah, but for people who were frozen out of the site for 3+ hours and then quit, there could have been more bids that were never placed. Or, maybe not. :)

[clydepepper]

Anything is possible. There is also such thing as a phone. :cool: I started collecting late compared to many on our forum but in 1996 I don't think there were tons of internet auctions yet. Most I participated in (maybe all of them) I had to call in (or write in, which I didn't do) bids.



Me too, Leon....those were the days...we are so very spoiled these days.

These young whipper-snappers have no idea how hard we had it. :D

[calvindog]

Brian is not stupid. He knows that the disaster of last night's auction could have a profound effect on his company. This isn't Bill Mastro who was all about fancy orange packing tape and behind the scenes fraud. I have no doubt that he will get this problem fixed in time for the next auction. Again, REA is and has been the most honest auction house in existence since I've been collecting and I have total faith in them as a bidder.

[Aaron Seefeldt]

Brian is not stupid. He knows that the disaster of last night's auction could have a profound effect on his company. This isn't Bill Mastro who was all about fancy orange packing tape and behind the scenes fraud. I have no doubt that he will get this problem fixed in time for the next auction. Again, REA is and has been the most honest auction house in existence since I've been collecting and I have total faith in them as a bidder.

I totally agree. I've been doing auctions for 25 years and REA has and always will be the best in the biz.

[Jobu]

Agreed on the phone part, for sure. But for someone who has a bunch of bids in and can't afford to win them all, that guy has no idea which lots he is winning without a website to check. So, if you can't afford a bunch of high ceiling bids, then the only way to bid last night would have been to keep waiting up and hoping the site eventually worked (which many cannot do) OR to spend the whole night on the phone asking for updates on your bids so that you could go an increment or two on the items that the status of your other bids told you you could still afford. I can't imagine there were a whole lot of people that wanted to do that for anything but a must have item, and that is where I think the money was lost on this one.

I should add - I don't have any issues with REA's integrity or honesty, this is just a shitty situation that they are doing their best to fix.


Anything is possible. There is also such thing as a phone. :cool: I started collecting late compared to many on our forum but in 1996 I don't think there were tons of internet auctions yet. Most I participated in (maybe all of them) I had to call in (or write in, which I didn't do) bids. If there was something I couldn't live without last night then I would have picked up the phone. I understand not everyone will do that. Advantage- Old fogey. :)

[calvindog]

Agreed on the phone part, for sure. But for someone who has a bunch of bids in and can't afford to win them all, that guy has no idea which lots he is winning without a website to check. So, if you can't afford a bunch of high ceiling bids, then the only way to bid last night would have been to keep waiting up and hoping the site eventually worked (which many cannot do) OR to spend the whole night on the phone asking for updates on your bids so that you could go an increment or two on the items that the status of your other bids told you you could still afford. I can't imagine there were a whole lot of people that wanted to do that for anything but a must have item, and that is where I think the money was lost on this one.

I should add - I don't have any issues with REA's integrity or honesty, this is just a shitty situation that they are doing their best to fix.

Agree completely. There is not even a question that consigners lost money last night due to the site not working. People simply went to sleep and gave up on an early Monday morning. To say otherwise is to defy reality.

[perezfan]

In looking at REA's "Recent Bids" link this morning, I'm shocked at all the bids that were entered during the final 1 1/2 hours. I was completely locked out during that entire period, and ultimately gave up.

So did the internet work for some, but not others? Or were all of those bids during the last hour entered by phone? Very frustrating, but I realize there was no clear-cut "best solution" for REA. I was just surprised it ended at a time when the site was still completely frozen. Knowing REA, I bet the next auction runs like a charm and that this was a one-time occurrence. But I'd also bet that more people will utilize ceiling bids next time around!

[swarmee]

But I'd also bet that more people will utilize ceiling bids next time around!
Doubt it; no matter how "Honest" or "protected" or whatever the bidding software claims the ceiling bid is, collectors are trained to distrust claims of auctionhouses after years and years of rampant shill bidding from many sites, eBay mostly, but also auctionhouses who allow it in their Terms of Service.
Most collectors who are told "the bids are encrypted and perfectly safe" will shrug their shoulders, and ignore it. Because someone out there wrote the code, and may have access.
The company is trying to make lemonades by offering free shipping to the buyers. I was more of an interested observer last night, but if I was a "bid at the end" kind of guy, this wouldn't make me place more early bids just waiting for others to keep bidding me up.

[rlorenz]

to be Clear I love REA.... it is my favorite AH....by leaps and bounds... hiccups happen....just need to have backup plans for the future.

:-)

[midmo]

High ceiling bids are fine if you're only interested in a couple items, but I had bids on 100+ lots. I can't afford to place high ceiling bids and win too many items. Sometimes focus changes during extended bidding. I went to bed when I thought double overtime had ended and I didn't receive an outbid notice. I was bummed this morning to learn that I got outbid after 1:15am.

[edjs]

Leon, I don't understand how you can say the REA issues didn't affect you regarding the 3 items you won. Had some (many?) bidders not given up trying get into the auction to place additional bids, you might not have won any of the 3 lots.

My "white whale" in this auction was this Western Playground of Peckinpaugh, https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=52134 , which I wanted for my collection of 1924 Senators. I am shocked at what it sold for (I didn't win it), especially as a nice SGC 30 of another player sold for half of what Peckinpaugh sold for. I assume two WP set collectors badly needed the Peckinpaugh card.

Speaking of cards that went strong, how about this PC: https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=51979 I realize there are some hard-core T210 collectors, but "holy moly, that's a lot of moolah."
Val,

A SGC 10 of Peckinpaugh, I assume the same card, sold in 2007 for $4650.99. So the price seemed to me to show lack of maturity on the investment, given 11 years have passed.

[Rickyy]

In looking at REA's "Recent Bids" link this morning, I'm shocked at all the bids that were entered during the final 1 1/2 hours. I was completely locked out during that entire period, and ultimately gave up.

So did the internet work for some, but not others? Or were all of those bids during the last hour entered by phone? Very frustrating, but I realize there was no clear-cut "best solution" for REA. I was just surprised it ended at a time when the site was still completely frozen. Knowing REA, I bet the next auction runs like a charm and that this was a one-time occurrence. But I'd also bet that more people will utilize ceiling bids next time around!

I had intermittent access on and off during the last hour or so...I thought I placed a updated bid, but didn't know if it when through...because the site timed out... turned out I did when I got access again, but when I went to check on it again a minute later, it timed out again, turned out I got sniped for which I didn't get to see until it ended a short time later. I wanted to stay active until the end, but gave up too.

Ricky Y

[wolf441]

Brian is not stupid. He knows that the disaster of last night's auction could have a profound effect on his company. This isn't Bill Mastro who was all about fancy orange packing tape and behind the scenes fraud. I have no doubt that he will get this problem fixed in time for the next auction. Again, REA is and has been the most honest auction house in existence since I've been collecting and I have total faith in them as a bidder.

+1

As frustrating as it was for everyone, I can't imagine the sick to your stomach feeling that Brian must have had last night. I am not a computer/systems/IT guy at all, but working in finance, I've been on the phone with enraged clients who couldn't access their systems. When you are powerless to help, other than pushing/escalating with the "techies", it's one of the worse feelings in the world and you dread picking up the phone every time it rings.

So, kudos to Brian for doing his best to keep everyone informed. He posted on here multiple times, knowing that he was facing a pretty angry group of folks.

I'm sorry to anyone who missed out on a white whale, or anyone whose consignment didn't sell for as much as it should have.

Also bad luck in that some potential bidders were probably wrapped up in what turned out to be the World Series clincher.

At the end of the day, this hobby is still a great way to get a little respite from all of the more serious things going on in the world.

[ValKehl]

Val,

A SGC 10 of Peckinpaugh, I assume the same card, sold in 2007 for $4650.99. So the price seemed to me to show lack of maturity on the investment, given 11 years have passed.

Ed, thanks for letting me know this ineresting piece of info. I didn't search that far back for a comparable sale. In fact, back in 2007, I hadn't yet begun focusing on cards of all the 1924 Senators players - I was only into WaJo and Sam Rice cards at that time.

[edjs]

Ed, thanks for letting me know this ineresting piece of info. I didn't search that far back for a comparable sale. In fact, back in 2007, I hadn't yet begun focusing on cards of all the 1924 Senators players - I was only into WaJo and Sam Rice cards at that time.

Val,

No problem. For a bit I had delusions of getting that card for $1000 or so. Then reality hit.

Ed

[tbob]

It was a little exasperating at times trying to figure what was going on with REA but with a little luck and some ceiling bids I was able to get most of the cards I had zeroed in on.
REA runs a class organization and it had to be frustrating with the technical glitches. One of the previous posters mentioned that it was tough trying to maneuver and navigate when you have many bids but can't afford to win all of them and thus you try to adjust your bidding based on which cards are showing activity and which ones you need to drop out of the bidding on. I think this is very true for most of us....

[Shoeless Moe]

I fell asleep when the Site was down late. I figured an email was going to come about the bidding being extended until Monday night due to all of the issues. I was ahead on one and still in on another waiting to see if my one was going to hold, then go to the other.

Woke up and lost the one by 1 bid (I would have definitely hit it again) and the other went lower too, so they definitely missed some money. Not huge I'm sure, but wasn't happy when I woke up at 1 pm or so and it was closed.

Wish they would have extended until tonight.

Closing during chaos wasn't the best route in my eyes.

[kmac32]

So excited as I got the T205 AB backs with 31 cards. Went higher than what I wanted to pay but may retail what I do not want. Cubbies are all upgrades and Kroh is new to me. Can’t wait to get them

[RCMcKenzie]

So excited as I got the T205 AB backs with 31 cards. Went higher than what I wanted to pay but may retail what I do not want. Cubbies are all upgrades and Kroh is new to me. Can’t wait to get them
Sorry I ran you up on that lot, Ken. I thought one more bid might be too much, depending on how they all grade out. Looks like a high grade group and I was mostly after the M. Brown 2/98 ex card. To me the auction ran fine as they left it open long enough for people to get their bids in. My "white whale" was the T214 Cree, but I never win my white whale, so I have a collection of SGC 86 Rabbit Maranvilles. I only win good cards when I'm plastered at like 4 AM. They are in my collection today.

[Bored5000]

I know that REA produces some eye popping prices, but the Bond Bread portrait of Jackie Robinson keeps going up and up -- $14,400 in PSA 6 and $5,100 in PSA 3. :eek:

[C-mack]

I know that REA produces some eye popping prices, but the Bond Bread portrait of Jackie Robinson keeps going up and up -- $14,400 in PSA 6 and $5,100 in PSA 3. :eek:


Damn! I just picked up a psa 1 for 800 and felt like I over paid lol looks like i wont be a upgrading anytime soon

[DeanH3]

I know that REA produces some eye popping prices, but the Bond Bread portrait of Jackie Robinson keeps going up and up -- $14,400 in PSA 6 and $5,100 in PSA 3. :eek:

I was watching those as well. Looks like it's recognition as his true rookie is gaining steam.

[rats60]

I was watching those as well. Looks like it's recognition as his true rookie is gaining steam.

There is a PSA 9 in Heritage that I expect to set a new record for Jackie Robinson Rcs. Jackie Robinson, along with Clemente and Mantle, are the best investments in the post war vintage markets and their cards are the bellwether for the hobby.

[joed25]

Doubt it; no matter how "Honest" or "protected" or whatever the bidding software claims the ceiling bid is, collectors are trained to distrust claims of auctionhouses after years and years of rampant shill bidding from many sites, eBay mostly, but also auctionhouses who allow it in their Terms of Service.
Most collectors who are told "the bids are encrypted and perfectly safe" will shrug their shoulders, and ignore it. Because someone out there wrote the code, and may have access.
The company is trying to make lemonades by offering free shipping to the buyers. I was more of an interested observer last night, but if I was a "bid at the end" kind of guy, this wouldn't make me place more early bids just waiting for others to keep bidding me up.

Well said.

[Lorewalker]

There is a PSA 9 in Heritage that I expect to set a new record for Jackie Robinson Rcs. Jackie Robinson, along with Clemente and Mantle, are the best investments in the post war vintage markets and their cards are the bellwether for the hobby.

Is there a Bond Bread Roby Port PSA 9 in that auction? I saw a Leaf Roby 9 in Heritage however that is not his rookie since it is a 1949 issue.

[Yoda]

Server sabotage by Russian trolls in St. Petersburg? An auction house's worst nightmare.

[rats60]

Is there a Bond Bread Roby Port PSA 9 in that auction? I saw a Leaf Roby 9 in Heritage however that is not his rookie since it is a 1949 issue.

It is already at 156k. Seems like the hobby thinks it is his rookie card. 1st national issue, check. I guess most still prefer a nationally issued mainstream card to a regional.

[CharleyBrown]

It is already at 156k. Seems like the hobby thinks it is his rookie card. 1st national issue, check. I guess most still prefer a nationally issued mainstream card to a regional.

We've been down this road with the regional vs. national comparison, and I'm not sure why you continue to classify the BB card as a regional?

Anyhow, you're comparing a PSA 9 to a PSA 6. A PSA 9 BB Portrait does not exist. There are 3 PSA 8s which would surely produce eye-popping numbers should they come up for sale.

In comparing a PSA 6 Leaf vs. PSA 6 BB, the numbers are a lot closer, and the BB outperformed recent Leaf sales.

PSA 6 Bond Bread = $14,400

Last 5 PSA 6 Leaf sales = $9,300; $9,485; $11,400; $10,300; $9,600. A PSA 6 Leaf with excellent centering did sell for $16,156.00 about 13-14 months ago.

[rats60]

We've been down this road with the regional vs. national comparison, and I'm not sure why you continue to classify the BB card as a regional?

Anyhow, you're comparing a PSA 9 to a PSA 6. A PSA 9 BB Portrait does not exist. There are 3 PSA 8s which would surely produce eye-popping numbers should they come up for sale.

In comparing a PSA 6 Leaf vs. PSA 6 BB, the numbers are a lot closer, and the BB outperformed recent Leaf sales.

PSA 6 Bond Bread = $14,400

Last 5 PSA 6 Leaf sales = $9,300; $9,485; $11,400; $10,300; $9,600. A PSA 6 Leaf with excellent centering did sell for $16,156.00 about 13-14 months ago.

There is also 126 Leaf to 15 Regionals in 6. So with more than 8 times the population, the Leaf RC still sells for more than the regional. BBs sold for 6100 and 5900 this year too, but REA always gets a premium, sometimes a ridiculous one.

[Vintageclout]

It is already at 156k. Seems like the hobby thinks it is his rookie card. 1st national issue, check. I guess most still prefer a nationally issued mainstream card to a regional.

13+ major cities including NY, Chicago, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Baltimore, etc, is hardly a “Regional” Issue. The 47 Bond Bread portrait IS his true rookie.

[RedsFan1941]

There is also 126 Leaf to 15 Regionals in 6. So with more than 8 times the population, the Leaf RC still sells for more than the regional. BBs sold for 6100 and 5900 this year too, but REA always gets a premium, sometimes a ridiculous one.

that's cute how you keep calling it a regional even when you know that it's not.

[Vintageclout]

we've been down this road with the regional vs. National comparison, and i'm not sure why you continue to classify the bb card as a regional?

Anyhow, you're comparing a psa 9 to a psa 6. A psa 9 bb portrait does not exist. There are 3 psa 8s which would surely produce eye-popping numbers should they come up for sale.

In comparing a psa 6 leaf vs. Psa 6 bb, the numbers are a lot closer, and the bb outperformed recent leaf sales.

Psa 6 bond bread = $14,400

last 5 psa 6 leaf sales = $9,300; $9,485; $11,400; $10,300; $9,600. A psa 6 leaf with excellent centering did sell for $16,156.00 about 13-14 months ago.

+1,000!!!!

[ejharrington]

that's cute how you keep calling it a regional even when you know that it's not.
Regional or not the BB are his rookie cards. The Leaf is more popular but not his rookie card

[RedsFan1941]

i never said otherwise. :confused:

[CharleyBrown]

There is also 126 Leaf to 15 Regionals in 6. So with more than 8 times the population, the Leaf RC still sells for more than the regional. BBs sold for 6100 and 5900 this year too, but REA always gets a premium, sometimes a ridiculous one.

What region encompasses NY, Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, DC, Montreal, Philadelphia, etc.?

$14400 > $9300

Yes... REA does get a premium... so let's compare sales from this particular REA auction.

Bond Bread PSA 4 sold for $5100.
Leaf PSA 5 sold for $4800.

$5100 > $4800

Nobody is taking anything away from the Leaf issue. It is easily one of Jackie's most iconic issues. I am glad to have one in my collection.

That being said, the BB issue has experienced a meteoric rise this year, similar to what the market recently saw with other iconic cards. This makes it hard to go by the previous sales of $6100 and $5900 (which were also big jumps). It has been on a continuously upward trajectory, whether you want to admit that or not.

[griffon512]

Regional or not the BB are his rookie cards. The Leaf is more popular but not his rookie card

Included in this rookie card status should be Jackie's Homogenized Bond Bread, not just the Bond Bread Portrait. Both were issued in 1947 (see long thread from Ted Zanidakis where he recalls collecting Homogenized Bond Bread cards in 1947). SGC correctly identifies the Homogenized Bond Bread card as being distributed in 1947. As Shaun and Joe point out, Bond Bread was not a regional issue by any reasonable definition of the term, but we're getting into semantics. There is no threshold between local, regional, and national distribution.

Even if a card was only distributed in limited locations during a rookie year, whose to say that it's not a rookie year card?

Let's keep it simple: if a card was distributed in the player's first year, it's a rookie year card, regardless of the size of the issue (lou gehrig 1925 exhibit is an oversized issue but that shouldn't mean it's not his rookie year card) or how many locations it was distributed in.

[DeanH3]

Well put James!

[Vintageclout]

Included in this rookie card status should be Jackie's Homogenized Bond Bread, not just the Bond Bread Portrait. Both were issued in 1947 (see long thread from Ted Zanidakis where he recalls collecting Homogenized Bond Bread cards in 1947). SGC correctly identifies the Homogenized Bond Bread card as being distributed in 1947. As Shaun and Joe point out, Bond Bread was not a regional issue by any reasonable definition of the term, but we're getting into semantics. There is no threshold between local, regional, and national distribution.

Even if a card was only distributed in limited locations during a rookie year, whose to say that it's not a rookie year card?

Let's keep it simple: if a card was distributed in the player's first year, it's a rookie year card, regardless of the size of the issue (lou gehrig 1925 exhibit is an oversized issue but that shouldn't mean it's not his rookie year card) or how many locations it was distributed in.

Spot on James!

[Orioles1954]

Not every player has a rookie card.

[KMayUSA6060]

Not every player has a rookie card.

Bite your tongue (but don't spit in the cauldron)! ;)

[oldjudge]

I think this is hilarious. Ten years ago very few people cared about these cards. All of a sudden someone calls it a rookie card and now people are tripping over themselves and apparently paying six figures for the card. Sometimes I think cards should come with warning labels.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Reminds me of the T205 Matty Cycle back 37-1, was no big deal until it was auctioned off with misleading information about how tough they were. From that point on people have been paying a huge premium for the card. All it seems to take is the right person to give out some information and "Boom Goes the Dynamite" :-). As as the buyers are happy that is all that counts.

[CharleyBrown]

Reminds me of the T205 Matty Cycle back 37-1, was no big deal until it was auctioned off with misleading information about how tough they were. From that point on people have been paying a huge premium for the card. All it seems to take is the right person to give out some information and "Boom Goes the Dynamite" :-). As as the buyers are happy that is all that counts.

Not sure about the T205 Matty, as that has never been an area of collecting interest for me, but wrt the "Boom Goes the Dynamite", I don't think it is necessarily the "right person giving out information." We've seen a good number of cards experience an explosion at some point in time... whether it be the Sporting News Ruth, the e121 Ruth (Throwing variation), the '25 Exhibits Gehrig, '55 Topps Clemente, '47 Bond Bread, etc.

With each of those players, there is an element of intrigue that transcends the sport. With that, there has always been a premium placed on rookie cards.

[CharleyBrown]

I think this is hilarious. Ten years ago very few people cared about these cards. All of a sudden someone calls it a rookie card and now people are tripping over themselves and apparently paying six figures for the card. Sometimes I think cards should come with warning labels.

Can't speak for the '25 Gehrig Exhibit card (wish I bought one when it was more affordable), but regarding the Bond Bread set...

Ten years ago, a renowned movie director with unlimited connections sought out these cards... and couldn't put together a complete set (He got 12 out of the 13). One of the biggest whales in the hobby spent 6 years during that time period trying to complete his first complete set. It is one of the few items he kept after selling much of his collection. It was only a matter of time before the card / set got noticed by "mainstream collectors."

I wish I had held onto the cards I sold.

[oldjudge]

Alfred Hitchcock? No wait, he's dead. Steven Spielberg?

[pherbener]

Reminds me of the T205 Matty Cycle back 37-1, was no big deal until it was auctioned off with misleading information about how tough they were. From that point on people have been paying a huge premium for the card. All it seems to take is the right person to give out some information and "Boom Goes the Dynamite" :-). As as the buyers are happy that is all that counts.

Lee, I'm not sure which auction you're talking about but I think the Cycle Matty is pretty tough to come by these days in relation to price. (Caveat.. I own one as a Matty collector) SGC has graded 25 of them out of a total of about 500. Obviously PSA numbers are skewed lower since they haven't recognized it as long. Compare this to a non HOFer like the T206 O'Hara Polar Bear version where SGC has graded 120 out of a little over 300 total and check that price in relation ($10K for a PSA 4!!). I get in that case, the greater percentage of O'Hara's St. Louis are graded. Plus, I've been searching on the BST here and other places for a PSA/SGC 4 + Cycle Matty for a while and haven't seen one in years.

[Sean]

Alfred Hitchcock? No wait, he's dead. Steven Spielberg?

Spike Lee I assume. :)

[CharleyBrown]

Alfred Hitchcock? No wait, he's dead. Steven Spielberg?

I wonder if Hitchcock was a baseball fan?

[Snapolit1]

Not sure about the T205 Matty, as that has never been an area of collecting interest for me, but wrt the "Boom Goes the Dynamite", I don't think it is necessarily the "right person giving out information." We've seen a good number of cards experience an explosion at some point in time... whether it be the Sporting News Ruth, the e121 Ruth (Throwing variation), the '25 Exhibits Gehrig, '55 Topps Clemente, '47 Bond Bread, etc.

With each of those players, there is an element of intrigue that transcends the sport. With that, there has always been a premium placed on rookie cards.

Ruth, Gehrig, Jackie, Clemente. . . .if you are in this for investment purposes only there's most of your business plan right there. Transcend the sport. Iconic intriguing figures. Throw in Michael Jordan, Bobby Hull, maybe . . . a few others.

I thought the recent Kareem Abdul Jabbar auction at Golden was very instructive. An iconic figure who made a tremendous impact on his sport. Seemed to me that there was pretty muted demand for his stuff. Many items had one bid last time I looked at that auction (now closed). Hell, a week before it closed a ton of his stuff had zero bids. Yet people will pay $30,000 for a basketball card of a player frankly I have never heard of. I guess to each his own.

[puckpaul]

Abdul Jabbar sold a lot of middling stuff.

[kmac32]

Got my REA winnings today. Fantastic looking lot in my opinion. All AB backs. 2 PSA graded not shown in auction

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Got my REA winnings today. Fantastic looking lot in my opinion. All AB backs. 2 PSA graded not shown in auctionMercy, Ken, I am envious!

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