View Full Version : Best looking PSA 1 card ever? Show 'em!
tschock
10-15-2018, 06:33 PM
Figured I'd start a thread lamenting PSA's grading practices, as this seemed like a novel idea. :rolleyes: But hopefully with a twist.
Just got back a batch of cards from PSA, and while most were better than expected, of course there would be a few head scratchers. This graded a 1, even though one in worse overall condition (with similar border chipping) got a 2, and one got a 5 MC with obvious chipping since it totally broke the black outline in a few places.
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In any case, for bragging rights alone, show us you most head scratching PSA 1s (or SGC 10s).
swarmee
10-15-2018, 07:42 PM
Still a pretty valuable card with eye appeal. Yeah, there is a lot of chipping or paper loss on the right side of that card. Maybe a pinhole (almost closed up) at the top center? That would easily explain the 1, however there are now some instances of pinholes getting 2s, including one I just got back.
commishbob
10-15-2018, 08:20 PM
I'm probably out in left field on this given how few graded cards pass through my hands but these two happen to be right next to me at the moment. In the scan and in person the Mantle presents better that the Pierce. The crease does Mickey in.
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brob28
10-16-2018, 11:12 AM
Not a PSA 1, but close enough, card has a slight crease, you can see it as a vertical white line in Mick's cap over his left eye.
MattyC
10-16-2018, 12:18 PM
https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/collection/45442/1915-cracker-jack-jackson
robsbessette
10-16-2018, 03:16 PM
Tape residue along the top. Doesn't bother me one bit. Popped it from the case and it looks amazing in my binder.
ronniehatesjazz
10-16-2018, 03:31 PM
https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/collection/45442/1915-cracker-jack-jackson
Whoever graded that card should be barred from the industry!!!!
hcv123
10-16-2018, 04:55 PM
https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/collection/45442/1915-cracker-jack-jackson
:eek::eek:
That is insane! What, is the back peeled off or something? a 1?
I just had grades pop today - mostly very disappointed and shocked. I will post scans when I receive.
At best I think PSA is more inconsistent than ever!!
MattyC
10-16-2018, 04:57 PM
Yep, back has lots of gunk on it. Still, all I ever look at on my cards is the fronts. For the corners on such an old card to be that well preserved is really cool.
It's tough to follow up Matt's sweet Jackson, and this next card maybe isn't the best 1 ever, but it's a good one. This one has a few small spots of paper loss on the reverse.
https://i.imgur.com/WtSz2yP.jpg
tschock
10-16-2018, 06:02 PM
OK, at "10" prices, I'll take the Jackson, Ruth, and Mantle. Definitely true in these cases, the old saw of "nice for the grade".
https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/jmb4/my-collection/62153/33-sport-kings-ruth-02
My lowest graded card. Tiny area of paper loss on the bottom back corner that doesn't affect any of the wording.
GasHouseGang
10-17-2018, 02:40 PM
I don't mind the prewar cards as much with some paper loss on the back, which drives down the technical grade and thus the price. Here's an example.
mrmopar
10-18-2018, 08:40 PM
I don't do much in the way of graded cards usually, but this one came with a nice price. Seemed under graded to me.
sthoemke
10-18-2018, 11:28 PM
Figured I'd start a thread lamenting PSA's grading practices, as this seemed like a novel idea. :rolleyes: But hopefully with a twist.
Just got back a batch of cards from PSA, and while most were better than expected, of course there would be a few head scratchers. This graded a 1, even though one in worse overall condition (with similar border chipping) got a 2, and one got a 5 MC with obvious chipping since it totally broke the black outline in a few places.
Larger images available as:
https://imageshack.com/a/img921/3681/69JjBw.jpg
https://imageshack.com/a/img922/4531/PcPfK3.jpg
In any case, for bragging rights alone, show us you most head scratching PSA 1s (or SGC 10s).
That is a super nice card.
Unless there is a pinhole or some kind of surface anomaly, I would guess that the PSA Inputter pressed "1" instead of "4" on the computer's keypad and the error wasn't caight.
I would send back to PSA for reevaluation.
GasHouseGang
10-18-2018, 11:50 PM
That is a super nice card.
Unless there is a pinhole or some kind of surface anomaly, I would guess that the PSA Inputter pressed "1" instead of "4" on the computer's keypad and the error wasn't caight.
I would send back to PSA for reevaluation.
It appears from the scan that there's paper loss all the way down the front right hand side of the card. If that's true then the grade is accurate.
tschock
10-19-2018, 07:07 AM
It appears from the scan that there's paper loss all the way down the front right hand side of the card. If that's true then the grade is accurate.
You are correct, David. However I have a similar one graded as a 2 with the same paper loss down the left side. And then this one for comparison:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/142980282359
All 3 are from the same submission batch. The inconsistency for me is the head scratcher.
All in all, I still think it's great looking "Poor" card. :)
MattyC
10-19-2018, 08:33 AM
Good Lord that Evers and Ruth are stunners.
Always thought this was a great looking 1.5. So much so I have owned it 2x. :)
http://luckeycards.com/pe94crawfordorange.jpg
1966CUDA
10-20-2018, 08:52 PM
Here is a nice Ted Williams...pin hole above the letter "L" in "outfield".
Collectorsince62
10-20-2018, 11:39 PM
I guess since it's a 1 of 1, the grader decided to give it a 1. A rare card survives 100 years in this condition and is labeled Poor. Unbelievable. Fortunately in this case the grade was trumped by the rarity and it realized a nice auction price.
MikeGarcia
10-21-2018, 09:07 AM
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/2042957/view/WORCHPSA7WOW_NEW.JPG
bobsbbcards
10-22-2018, 05:11 AM
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1960/1960topps/60ToppsTransferInsert.jpg
ALR-bishop
10-22-2018, 01:38 PM
Are there ang graded transfers Bob ?
insidethewrapper
10-22-2018, 03:22 PM
This one wasn't even graded ! Does anyone know why ????
GasHouseGang
10-23-2018, 02:56 PM
This one wasn't even graded ! Does anyone know why ????
Well, based on the PSA label, they don't believe the card is authentic. Why, I don't know.
yanksfan09
10-23-2018, 06:30 PM
It's tough to follow up Matt's sweet Jackson, and this next card maybe isn't the best 1 ever, but it's a good one. This one has a few small spots of paper loss on the reverse.
https://i.imgur.com/WtSz2yP.jpg
You may have me beat there by a light crease in corner, but I have a comparable one... Mine too has a bit of paper loss on reverse.
KCRfan1
10-24-2018, 05:50 AM
This one wasn't even graded ! Does anyone know why ????
My guess is the card was cut too far into the border.
packs
10-24-2018, 07:29 AM
My entry:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4531/38844416522_07c091e8ba.jpg
bobsbbcards
10-24-2018, 07:51 AM
Are there ang graded transfers Bob ?
PSA has graded five of the transfers--two PSA 2's and three PSA 1's.
They've also graded 12 of the Elect Your Favorite Rookie cards--two PSA 4's, three PSA 2's, six PSA 1's, and one PSA Authentic.
bobsbbcards
10-24-2018, 07:53 AM
Well, based on the PSA label, they don't believe the card is authentic. Why, I don't know.
It's not authentic. Look at the "cut along the dotted line" marks in the corners. Real Bazooka cards have "T" shaped marks. Fakes will show "L" shaped marks. If the corner doesn't have a "T" shaped mark, it will be less symmetrical. Here's an example:
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel12.jpg
insidethewrapper
10-24-2018, 08:38 AM
Please explain further. It appears the Kaline you showed also has some "L" shaped corners. Do all the 1963 Bazooka Kalines have the same corner markings ? Also a don't see a "t" shape. Thanks for the information.
bobsbbcards
10-25-2018, 06:28 AM
Please explain further. It appears the Kaline you showed also has some "L" shaped corners. Do all the 1963 Bazooka Kalines have the same corner markings ? Also a don't see a "t" shape. Thanks for the information.
Here are scans of all of the 1963 Bazooka panels. Picture someone with an ink pen drawing dashes around the three-card panel. When they get to a corner, they don't intentionally make an "L" shape—they simply bend the dash around the corner. When the outer border is finished, they turn their attention to the vertical lines between the cards and simply make a random dashed vertical line that bumps into the outer border. It that leaves a gap (look at the bottom left of the Clemente on the fifth panel) that's fine. If that creates a "T" shape (look at the same panel at the top between Clemente and Johnny Callison) that works too.
On the Kaline you show, the dashes appear to be too symmetrical and the corners appear to be intentionally "L" shaped as if there was only one card being created and not a three-card panel. I can't 100% guarantee that it isn't authentic, but those are the tell-tale signs of a Bazooka card that isn't.
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel01.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel02.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel03.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel04.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel05.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel06.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel07.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel08.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel09.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel10.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel11.jpg
http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1963/1963bazooka/63BazookaPanel12.jpg