Missing Mantle Rookie at National

[lowpopper]

1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle PSA 4

Cert# 41944340

Any info as to whereabouts are appreciated.

If this pops up anywhere, contact me immediately. Thanks.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Good luck Greg. Hope there is an innocent explanation.

[Zan]

I cannot stand thieves. Best of luck finding it I will keep an eye out.

[samosa4u]

How the hell did that happen? :eek:

[lowpopper]

Although it could be the case, I do not want to perpetuate an idea of thievery without iron-clad proof.

I would be more than happy just to receive my item back and completely drop the issue. In fact, I would celebrate the person who came forward whether it was “found” or “stolen”

It takes a real man/woman to return an item to a semi-anonymous owner, knowing they could easily just keep it.

I really just want my card back.

With that said, everyone please be on the lookout. Thanks in advance.

[1952boyntoncollector]

a picture may be good in case it goes into another holder

[lowpopper]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1838/43157436104_6693f08f92_b.jpg

[1952boyntoncollector]

nice card..no print lines....purple label to boot

[btcarfagno]

There do seem to be some print lines. The lights pole in the background.....from the far right of the lights between there and the bottom of the bat there seems to be some print marks. Could be like a fingerprint maybe? I'm not super familiar with this card but just hoping it could be the case for OP's sake.

[Fred]

Truly sucks.... if it is stolen (not accidentally lost in the shuffle of closing down shop at the National) then it would be funny as hell if the thief put it up for auction on ebay.....

Really sorry to hear about that. Crap like that just makes you feel like you've been kicked square in the nuts... hope you find it somewhere in a stack of cards when you get home.

[glynparson]

I hate hearing these stories. I go around trying to buy cards a lot and will keep my eyes open encase it makes its way to the Philly, Jersey, NY area. Hope it turns up. Did you rent showcases? maybe it slid under the pad stranger things have happened if so give Levi a call if he found one i am positive he would return it. I would also send SGC PSA and Beckett scans as large as you can so they can be on the lookout for the card. Good Luck and I hope it was something innocent and if not I hope Karma pays the a hole that took it a visit sooner rather than later.

[lowpopper]

There do seem to be some print lines. The lights pole in the background.....from the far right of the lights between there and the bottom of the bat there seems to be some print marks. Could be like a fingerprint maybe? I'm not super familiar with this card but just hoping it could be the case for OP's sake.


I appreciate the idea but this is a picture I took of the card about
an hour before it “disappeared”.

A healthy reward is in order.

[bobbyw8469]

I appreciate the idea but this is a picture I took of the card about
an hour before it “disappeared”.

A healthy reward is in order.

That freaking sucks Greg....seems like every year you hear stories of cards like these disappearing at the National. Horrible, horrible feeling.

[orly57]

I’m sure the thief will break it out of the holder and eventually send to grade. With that thick bottom border and the multiple print dots, I think it’s a card that would stick out to a grader if you notify psa and sgc to keep an eye out for you. I don’t know about psa, but I’m sure that Dave and the guys at SGC would look out for new 51 mantle submissions if you showed them a pic.

[Rookiemonster]

Sorry to hear about your card. I hope it finds it way home.

What ever happened to Rob Schneider's 1951 Willie Mays ? How does a card with such a high profile just disappear?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/03/a-small-town-couple-left-behind-a-stolen-painting-worth-over-100-million-and-a-big-mystery/?utm_term=.a30ca1a26f7f

[shagrotn77]

Sorry to hear this happened. I hope the story has a good ending. Off topic, but what is the purple label all about?

[Sean]

Sorry to hear this happened. I hope the story has a good ending. Off topic, but what is the purple label all about?

There was a thread about them a couple weeks ago.

[swarmee]

Off topic, but what is the purple label all about?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=254339&highlight=purple

[CurtisFlood]

Sorry for your loss. That is a great card, one I have never owned. Had a PSA 5 1952 Mick about five years ago, but just haven't ponied up for the Bowman.

I hope something comes of this. The perpetrator likely will sell this raw rather than attempt to grade it again. I'd love to spit some beech nut in that dude's eye and shoot him with my old 45 to paraphrase Hank Jr.

[sterlingfox]

Very sorry to hear this happened to you, Greg.

On the last day of the show, I was at a dealer's table when someone (from loss prevention, I'm assuming) came up to him and told him that his table and at least 7 others nearby were not within any surveillance camera's reach for the entire show.

He also claimed that there were 10 thefts reported that day alone :eek:

[pokerplyr80]

Sorry to hear about your card. I hope it finds it way home.

What ever happened to Rob Schneider's 1951 Willie Mays ? How does a card with such a high profile just disappear?

Probably the same way a missing painting worth millions does. Its sold on the black market and sits in a private collection for years.

I had a similar scare last year with my 51 Mantle but luckily my story had a happy ending. Hopefully yours will have the same.

[1952boyntoncollector]

if there was an owner registry..someone would look up the Cert and see it belongs to someone else

the crook will have to crack it out and it can then be sold like a painting....................... of course the value would go down if sold with no holder or if re submit may get a lesser grade , however you would hope you can send a picture of the card to SGC and PSA and they can be on the lookout for any new submissions..

[Peter_Spaeth]

I’m sure the thief will break it out of the holder and eventually send to grade. With that thick bottom border and the multiple print dots, I think it’s a card that would stick out to a grader if you notify psa and sgc to keep an eye out for you. I don’t know about psa, but I’m sure that Dave and the guys at SGC would look out for new 51 mantle submissions if you showed them a pic.

Why take that chance? It's found money as a raw card.

[MikeGarcia]

Does Homeowners' Insurance offer coverage in an instance like this ? Property theft , just not physically in the home at the time ?

.. I'm sure they will want a police report , etc. etc.

..

[pokerplyr80]

Does Homeowners' Insurance offer coverage in an instance like this ? Property theft , just not physically in the home at the time ?

.. I'm sure they will want a police report , etc. etc.

..

Most home insurance policies have small limits on collectibles. I'm not sure if collect insure would cover a loss outside of the home.

[Tennis13]

Most home insurance policies have small limits on collectibles. I'm not sure if collect insure would cover a loss outside of the home.

There were actually 2 booths of cellectibles insurance companies at The National. I thought it would be a cool business, if you could price it properly. I feel like it’s kinda adverse selection at its worst, though. I bet lots of people have things stolen or lost when the exonomy turns lower and have them insured at a higher value than market in those instances.

[orly57]

Why take that chance? It's found money as a raw card.

Did you just ask why a guy who brazenly stole a 10k card from a dealer at a national card convention would “take that chance?” If criminals didn’t take chances, I would be a Literature Professor at the University of Miami. :) Either way, the logic applies: the card is pretty unique, and should be spotted by anyone who is aware that it was stolen. The fantastic left-to-right centering, coupled with the 95/5 (or so) top-to-bottom centering and multiple print dots are, as someone wrote, “a fingerprint.” It wouldn’t hurt to ask psa and sgc to keep an eye out.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Did you just ask why a guy who brazenly stole a 10k card from a dealer at a national card convention would “take that chance?” If criminals didn’t take chances, I would be a Literature Professor at the University of Miami. :) Either way, the logic applies: the card is pretty unique, and should be spotted by anyone who is aware that it was stolen. The fantastic left-to-right centering, coupled with the 95/5 (or so) top-to-bottom centering and multiple print dots are, as someone wrote, “a fingerprint.” It wouldn’t hurt to ask psa and sgc to keep an eye out.

Just because a guy takes a chance when he robs the bank doesn't mean he's going to compound his chances of getting caught by trying to deposit the stack of bills at another bank. I don't think your logic is right, really. I hope he trips up and gets caught, of course, but I am not optimistic.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Most home insurance policies have small limits on collectibles. I'm not sure if collect insure would cover a loss outside of the home.

I would think not.

[swarmee]

I would think not.

It does if you lose your engagement ring in the ocean; happened to a friend of mine.

[orly57]

Just because a guy takes a chance when he robs the bank doesn't mean he's going to compound his chances of getting caught by trying to deposit the stack of bills at another bank. I don't think your logic is right, really. I hope he trips up and gets caught, of course, but I am not optimistic.

I was being tongue-in-cheek. Thought it was fairly obvious. I’ve seen dumber things in my career, but obviously, it doesn’t necessarily follow that they will couple one dumb act with another. The logic I was referring to was that the card is pretty unique, and anyone who is familiar with it, should pretty easily spot it due to its telltale markings and centering (or lack thereof).

[Peter_Spaeth]

I was being tongue-in-cheek. Thought it was fairly obvious. I’ve seen dumber things in my career, but obviously, it doesn’t necessarily follow that they will couple one dumb act with another. The logic I was referring to was that the card is pretty unique, and anyone who is familiar with it, should pretty easily spot it due to its telltale markings and centering (or lack thereof).

Ah I missed that, professor. :D The good news I guess is that a thief can't convey good title and neither can a subsequent purchaser, so if it ever shows up down the road even in the hands of the Nth owner, Greg at least in theory should be able to get it back.

[Rookiemonster]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123297285540?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142893266010?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401576626688?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202393187553?ul_noapp=true

Here is a sampling of 1951 Bowman Mantle that are currently available on eBay. The centering is the same. Almost any of theses card could be the missing Mantle. (Not saying they are) a that SGC is pretty nice. You can see that this card will be hard to find IMO. All the Mantles cards are in the grade range. They have pretty much the same centering.

Who ever has the card is more likely not from the area it was taken from. They could be hundreds or thousands of miles away.

Also I don’t think I ever got a receipt for a card I purchased at a show or store.
What if the card shows up? The owner says I paid you for it. I can sell a high priced card at a show then report it stolen. Right?


I mean if I seen one of theses mantles at a show tomorrow I might think HEY that’s the missing Mantle!! Or is it? Should I call the police on the spot and say I think that card could be stolen?


Sorry to be devils adovcate but if it’s cracked out it’s more likely gone. The best move would have been to crack it at the show and sell across the floor and leave.

[dio]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123297285540?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142893266010?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401576626688?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202393187553?ul_noapp=true
Here is a sampling of 1951 Bowman Mantle that are currently available on eBay. The centering is the same. Almost any of theses card could be the missing Mantle. (Not saying they are) a that SGC is pretty nice. You can see that this card will be hard to find IMO. All the Mantles cards are in the grade range. They have pretty much the same centering.

Who ever has the card is more likely not from the area it was taken from. They could be hundreds or thousands of miles away.

Also I don’t think I ever got a receipt for a card I purchased at a show or store.
What if the card shows up? The owner says I paid you for it. I can sell a high priced card at a show then report it stolen. Right?


I mean if I seen one of theses mantles at a show tomorrow I might think HEY that’s the missing Mantle!! Or is it? Should I call the police on the spot and say I think that card could be stolen?


Sorry to be devils adovcate but if it’s cracked out it’s more likely gone. The best move would have been to crack it at the show and sell across the floor and leave.

all of them are not the card he lost, he posted a pretty high resolution scan earlier in page 1, pretty easy to tell if it's the same card

[orly57]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123297285540?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142893266010?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401576626688?ul_noapp=true

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202393187553?ul_noapp=true

Here is a sampling of 1951 Bowman Mantle that are currently available on eBay. The centering is the same. Almost any of theses card could be the missing Mantle. (Not saying they are) a that SGC is pretty nice. You can see that this card will be hard to find IMO. All the Mantles cards are in the grade range. They have pretty much the same centering.

Who ever has the card is more likely not from the area it was taken from. They could be hundreds or thousands of miles away.

Also I don’t think I ever got a receipt for a card I purchased at a show or store.
What if the card shows up? The owner says I paid you for it. I can sell a high priced card at a show then report it stolen. Right?


I mean if I seen one of theses mantles at a show tomorrow I might think HEY that’s the missing Mantle!! Or is it? Should I call the police on the spot and say I think that card could be stolen?


Sorry to be devils adovcate but if it’s cracked out it’s more likely gone. The best move would have been to crack it at the show and sell across the floor and leave.

You found some cards with similar centering, but couple the centering with these dozens of dots, and I doubt you will find another exactly like it. I don’t know why I’m only able to post small crappy pics anymore!!!

[pokerplyr80]

all of them are not the card he lost, he posted a pretty high resolution scan earlier in page 1, pretty easy to tell if it's the same card

Flaws like those dots are less noticable in person than a zoomed in scan. And the centering is pretty typical for 51 Mantles. I'm not so sure it would be as easy to identify down the road as some of you think.

[Rookiemonster]

I know I seen the dots and I’m not saying any of these cards are the missing Mantle. So if someone wants to keep it all they have to do is ding a corner or let it sit in direct sun. The centering is very common. These little differences are not staying in anyone’s head when they are walking a show. Unless your walking around with a high resolution photo of the card you can mistake any of these for the missing Mantle.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Flaws like those dots are less noticable in person than a zoomed in scan. And the centering is pretty typical for 51 Mantles. I'm not so sure it would be as easy to identify down the road as some of you think.

I agree with that, plus how many people who might be offered the card are even going to be aware of the theft?

[orly57]

Flaws like those dots are less noticable in person than a zoomed in scan. And the centering is pretty typical for 51 Mantles. I'm not so sure it would be as easy to identify down the road as some of you think.

Could be, but I’m pretty sure the OP said it was a picture taken an hour before the theft, not some high resolution scan. I do fear that you guys may be right on this. The odds are against finding it, but hopefully someone will spot it.

[toledo_mudhen]

Sorry to hear this happened. I hope the story has a good ending. Off topic, but what is the purple label all about?


I think the Purple Label doubles the value (at least)..........

[NotVader]

1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle PSA 4

Cert# 41944340

Any info as to whereabouts are appreciated.

If this pops up anywhere, contact me immediately. Thanks.

Greg,

Heard about this missing card and Joined this Forum today specifically to find you.
We met briefly at National when you were viewing my Step-Uncle's RED HEART set and you two were talking about doing the "Purple Sticker" on his Mantle 4.5 VG-EX+. Not sure if you remember me? I am the girl who said 'I cant believe you guys are collecting Dog Food Labels LOL!' I had Florida Gators hat.

I saw you at ice cream stand late on last day of show don't think you saw me you were in an intense conversation with your partner and Earl Johnson the gentleman who was let-go by SGC. Is this related? The three of you were obsessing about a card (the mantle?) you were viewing an image of on a phone not sure if this was before or after card vanished? It probably already was gone at that time and yall were discussing situation if not thought this tidbit might help to solve. Call or message me if I can do anything you have my Uncle's Number he said to say he feels awful about this story.

From Sunny Florida,

C. Vader

[NotVader]

Greg,

Heard about this missing card and Joined this Forum today specifically to find you.
We met briefly at National when you were viewing my Step-Uncle's RED HEART set and you two were talking about doing the "Purple Sticker" on his Mantle 4.5 VG-EX+. Not sure if you remember me? I am the girl who said 'I cant believe you guys are collecting Dog Food Labels LOL!' I had Florida Gators hat.

I saw you at ice cream stand late on last day of show don't think you saw me you were in an intense conversation with your partner and Earl Johnson the gentleman who was let-go by SGC. Is this related? The three of you were obsessing about a card (the mantle?) you were viewing an image of on a phone not sure if this was before or after card vanished? It probably already was gone at that time and yall were discussing situation if not thought this tidbit might help to solve. Call or message me if I can do anything you have my Uncle's Number he said to say he feels awful about this story.

From Sunny Florida,

C. Vader

[lowpopper]

Greg,

Heard about this missing card and Joined this Forum today specifically to find you.
We met briefly at National when you were viewing my Step-Uncle's RED HEART set and you two were talking about doing the "Purple Sticker" on his Mantle 4.5 VG-EX+. Not sure if you remember me? I am the girl who said 'I cant believe you guys are collecting Dog Food Labels LOL!' I had Florida Gators hat.

I saw you at ice cream stand late on last day of show don't think you saw me you were in an intense conversation with your partner and Earl Johnson the gentleman who was let-go by SGC. Is this related? The three of you were obsessing about a card (the mantle?) you were viewing an image of on a phone not sure if this was before or after card vanished? It probably already was gone at that time and yall were discussing situation if not thought this tidbit might help to solve. Call or message me if I can do anything you have my Uncle's Number he said to say he feels awful about this story.

From Sunny Florida,

C. Vader



Yes, that pretty much sums up the situation. There were 3 people who last saw/touched the card, including myself. The card “vanished” moments afterward.

It’s a dirty game, people. Beware of those who are supposedly trusted.

[LarryLegend33]

Wow so sorry this has happened can’t believe it! What’s the next step in recovery of the card?

[NotVader]

Larry Legend asks a great question

Greg?

[A2000]

How the hell did that happen? :eek:

I was wondering the same thing.

I understand this is a very sensitive subject with the card not being recovered yet, but was this left in a showcase that was not locked and someone reached over and took it?

I would imagine a card of this caliber is handed directly to a perspective buyer for examination and then handed back to the dealer right away.

Sorry for your loss.

[timzcardz]

It’s a dirty game, people. Beware of those who are supposedly trusted.


:eek:



I sincerely hope that it wasn't someone that you trusted. Having myself lost something of value and sentiment to someone trusted, the violation of trust is worse than the physical loss.

[rjackson44]

hope it works out ,,,good luck

[Johnny630]

The amount of slime balls who frequent these shows is despicable. I hope and pray your card shows up soon bud.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Larry Legend asks a great question

Greg?

What can he really do....maybe video? All he can do basically has been done and has been advised on this thread of what else to do.....im sure he is open to suggestions for anything else not obvious (ie. go to police)

[Babe3Ruth3]

It's too bad top card graders like PSA and SGC don't insert an anti-theft tag like they use at stores or a GPS chip, especially on higher value graded cards. The tag could be activated while at a card show, so if the card goes beyond a predetermined radius a very loud siren would go off and maybe set it up with the show that cameras would focus on this area, maybe restrict people from exiting till the card is found too. With the new technology, it should be possible for the owner to enable a GPS tracking system or at least a tag in the cardholder if the high-value card is stolen.

I called both PSA and SGC and brought up the idea, with SGC giving me an E-mail address to pass on this to someone higher up.

[Fred]

Mark, interesting idea.... cost would be pretty substantial, would have to set up circuits at any show that offered that service....

If you've seen the movie "Get Out" then you'll know this scene. If you haven't, then you can skip to about 2:03 of the video.... the lady cop is the person that gave the forwarding email address....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH0jBS408eo


Just having a little fun Mark....don't be mad...

[Babe3Ruth3]

Mark, interesting idea.... cost would be pretty substantial, would have to set up circuits at any show that offered that service....

If you've seen the movie "Get Out" then you'll know this scene. If you haven't, then you can skip to about 2:03 of the video.... the lady cop is the person that gave the forwarding email address....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH0jBS408eo


Just having a little fun Mark....don't be mad...

I only get mad when I'm called later for dinner Fred. I guess my thinking stems from the library stopping people from walking out with a $2 book, but we can't find a way to detect when a $1000+ card walks away.

Have a good weekend Fred... :)

[egbeachley]

I only get mad when I'm called later for dinner Fred. I guess my thinking stems from the library stopping people from walking out with a $2 book, but we can't find a way to detect when a $1000+ card walks away. :)

Ha! Brings back memories. In high school we used to pull out the book sensors and put them in our friend’s coat pockets. They would set off the alarm and get detained.

[CurtisFlood]

Yes, that pretty much sums up the situation. There were 3 people who last saw/touched the card, including myself. The card “vanished” moments afterward.

It’s a dirty game, people. Beware of those who are supposedly trusted.


I've had guys hold out a card and ask if I want to buy it. When I reach for the card it becomes a tug of war. At that point I don't feel we have developed the necessary rapport it takes to complete the transaction. You can never be too careful I suppose.

[icollectDCsports]

For high-dollar theft targets like this, perhaps the slabs could be placed temporarily in larger and perhaps brightly-colored acrylic cases -- say 8 x 10 -- that would be much more difficult to slip into a pocket or bag. This theft-deterring case would have the card slab inset with overlap around the edges of the slab, so it couldn't easily be popped out without use of a tool to unscrew the case, but it would not cover or obscure the front or back of the slab. Perhaps such a thing already exits, I don't know.

[Republicaninmass]

You build a better mouse trap, they build a better mouse. It's almost impossible to mitigate loss to theft to 0%. Firmer punishments for thieves might help!

[rdwyer]

A friend of mine had $8000 in gold coins stolen from her. The idiot returned to the scene of the crime the next week. He was arrested and brought to jail. Bailed out and 2 weeks later pled guilty to get credit time served. He got to keep the coins. No restitution!

[swarmee]

Yuck, but reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1cKM-_CKno

No luck lowpopper?

[Buythatcard]

Suppose that a member of this forum happened to pick up a 51 Mantle PSA 4 from a seller that they did not know and it turned out to be the exact card that went missing. You then tried to contact the seller to tell him that it was stolen but you were not able to find this seller anymore. What would you do?
Would you contact the OP and return the card to him and take a big hit financially?
Would you reslab it and say nothing?
Are you obligated to return this card or are you now the owner?

[pokerplyr80]

If you received stolen property, even without prior knowledge, you are legally and morally obligated to contact the seller. Well I believe you are legally any way. It is was really an honest mistake I feel the right thing to do would be to split the cost with the guy who had the card stolen and hope to recoup the rest of the funds if you can track down the thief.

[packs]

It's too bad top card graders like PSA and SGC don't insert an anti-theft tag like they use at stores or a GPS chip, especially on higher value graded cards. The tag could be activated while at a card show, so if the card goes beyond a predetermined radius a very loud siren would go off and maybe set it up with the show that cameras would focus on this area, maybe restrict people from exiting till the card is found too. With the new technology, it should be possible for the owner to enable a GPS tracking system or at least a tag in the cardholder if the high-value card is stolen.

I called both PSA and SGC and brought up the idea, with SGC giving me an E-mail address to pass on this to someone higher up.


Sorry but this would be a HUGE invasion of privacy. I don't want someone at SGC knowing where my cards are located at all times. In fact, I would think that would invite more theft than it would deter, as I'm sure TPG's wouldn't invest in the necessary technology to protect a network that would contain the locations of millions of dollars in cards.

[Republicaninmass]

I believe the cops just take it, and the buyer is SOL unless he can sue the seller. Meeting halfway would be on the person who had the card stolen. Otherwise, he or could just have it back.

[Marchillo]

If you received stolen property, even without prior knowledge, you are legally and morally obligated to contact the seller. Well I believe you are legally any way. It is was really an honest mistake I feel the right thing to do would be to split the cost with the guy who had the card stolen and hope to recoup the rest of the funds if you can track down the thief.

It's easy to say split the cost but how about this scenario (Not saying this happened with the OP).

How about if someone owns some high end baseball cards and they are extremely careless with them and some of them get stolen. Then someone goes and buys one of these cards which could be 3 years worth of their card budget (Let's say its $30K). They have no knowledge of this card being stolen and now because of a careless seller they have to share the burden of cost.

Maybe legally this is what is supposed to happen but I don't think its fair and just that this unsuspecting buyer should be on the hook for any of this either.

Is there any insurance out there that covers dealers at shows? I know there are a couple of companies out there that do insurance but I would imagine someone offers insurance to people who sell items at shows/conventions etc.

I feel terrible for the OP and I hope he gets his card back. In no way am I implying he was careless, but I am throwing out a scenario that isn't black and white.

[Rich Klein]

Is there any insurance out there that covers dealers at shows? I know there are a couple of companies out there that do insurance but I would imagine someone offers insurance to people who sell items at shows/conventions etc

Yes those collectible insurance places also have insurance for vendors who go to shows. The rates are higher than they are for collectors

Rich

[pokerplyr80]

It's easy to say split the cost but how about this scenario (Not saying this happened with the OP).

How about if someone owns some high end baseball cards and they are extremely careless with them and some of them get stolen. Then someone goes and buys one of these cards which could be 3 years worth of their card budget (Let's say its $30K). They have no knowledge of this card being stolen and now because of a careless seller they have to share the burden of cost.

Maybe legally this is what is supposed to happen but I don't think its fair and just that this unsuspecting buyer should be on the hook for any of this either.

Is there any insurance out there that covers dealers at shows? I know there are a couple of companies out there that do insurance but I would imagine someone offers insurance to people who sell items at shows/conventions etc.

I feel terrible for the OP and I hope he gets his card back. In no way am I implying he was careless, but I am throwing out a scenario that isn't black and white.

Careless or not if something is stolen from you and later identified you have a right to get it back regardless of who owns it now or how it was obtained. I see your point, but it would actually be the guy who the card was stolen from doing the current owner the favor by splitting the cost. All things considered I personally feel that would be the most fair solution in such a situation.

If I had bought this card not knowing it was stolen I would contact the seller and try to work out some kind of arrangement. I would not want to deal with any legal repercussions or damage to by hobby reputation but trying to keep a stolen card or an attempt to get it into a new holder for resale.

[vintagetoppsguy]

It's easy to say split the cost but how about this scenario (Not saying this happened with the OP).

How about if someone owns some high end baseball cards and they are extremely careless with them and some of them get stolen. Then someone goes and buys one of these cards which could be 3 years worth of their card budget (Let's say its $30K). They have no knowledge of this card being stolen and now because of a careless seller they have to share the burden of cost.

Maybe legally this is what is supposed to happen but I don't think its fair and just that this unsuspecting buyer should be on the hook for any of this either.

Is there any insurance out there that covers dealers at shows? I know there are a couple of companies out there that do insurance but I would imagine someone offers insurance to people who sell items at shows/conventions etc.

I feel terrible for the OP and I hope he gets his card back. In no way am I implying he was careless, but I am throwing out a scenario that isn't black and white.

Agreed. There's a lot of scenario's, here's another. Let's say you have an unscrupulous seller (geez, that never happens :rolleyes:) and he reports a card stolen, but he made up the story for insurance purposes. That card is later traded/sold via private transaction by the seller who reported it stolen and then the card is sold a time or two even after that. Then the original seller who reported the card stolen finds out who currently owns it and says, "Wait a minute. That was my card. I reported it stolen. Here's the police report." And if I may borrow from part of your scenario, let's say the buyer saved 3 years of his card budget ($30K), why should he be out of $30K because of some fraudulent seller? I'm sorry, but just because someone reports something stolen DOES NOT make it theirs once the item turns up. You're right, it's not always that black and white.

I, too, am not implying that anything like that happened in this case, but there are too many scenarios to say just because someone reports something stolen and it later turns up that it should be returned to the one that reported it stolen.

[rdwyer]

It's too bad top card graders like PSA and SGC don't insert an anti-theft tag like they use at stores or a GPS chip, especially on higher value graded cards. The tag could be activated while at a card show, so if the card goes beyond a predetermined radius a very loud siren would go off and maybe set it up with the show that cameras would focus on this area, maybe restrict people from exiting till the card is found too. With the new technology, it should be possible for the owner to enable a GPS tracking system or at least a tag in the cardholder if the high-value card is stolen.

I like this idea. Once activated, you would be able to go to findmycard.com. (Just like Apple does with their iphones.) No one complains about that. But only when activated. You could also erase the card. :)

[Rookiemonster]

Agreed. There's a lot of scenario's, here's another. Let's say you have an unscrupulous seller (geez, that never happens :rolleyes:) and he reports a card stolen, but he made up the story for insurance purposes. That card is later traded/sold via private transaction by the seller who reported it stolen and then the card is sold a time or two even after that. Then the original seller who reported the card stolen finds out who currently owns it and says, "Wait a minute. That was my card. I reported it stolen. Here's the police report." And if I may borrow from part of your scenario, let's say the buyer saved 3 years of his card budget ($30K), why should he be out of $30K because of some fraudulent seller? I'm sorry, but just because someone reports something stolen DOES NOT make it theirs once the item turns up. You're right, it's not always that black and white.

I, too, am not implying that anything like that happened in this case, but there are too many scenarios to say just because someone reports something stolen and it later turns it that it should be returned to the one that reported it stolen.


This is one of the points I was making earlier. I never got a receipt from a card show or shop from a card I purchased. I could go sell some good cards then walk out of the show and call the cops saying my card have been stolen.


Jesse did you just say moral obligation? Thought you weren’t in to that kind of stuff. Why should someone who got anything stolen from them pay for it back?

[pokerplyr80]

This is one of the points I was making earlier. I never got a receipt from a card show or shop from a card I purchased. I could go sell some good cards then walk out of the show and call the cops saying my card have been stolen.


Jesse did you just say moral obligation? Thought you weren’t in to that kind of stuff. Why should someone who got anything stolen from them pay for it back?

That's funny because after reading some of your posts I question your sense of morality as well. Since in the previously discussed situation there would now be two innocent victims I dont think it's right that either should have to eat 100% of the loss. A lot would depend on the specifics and what could be proven. But if I had a card stolen from me and someone reached out to me to say they bought it down the road for cash and didn't remember from who, I would be willing to work something out to get the card back.

[Rookiemonster]

That's funny because after reading some of your posts I question your sense of morality as well. Since in the previously discussed situation there would now be two innocent victims I dont think it's right that either should have to eat 100% of the loss. A lot would depend on the specifics and what could be proven. But if I had a card stolen from me and someone reached out to me to say they bought it down the road for cash and didn't remember from who, I would be willing to work something out to get the card back.

I don’t see why you would question my morality. But I see what your saying like a my dog went missing reward. Not a bad idea but at the same time if I found someone’s dog I probably just give it back and say keep the reward money.

[pokerplyr80]

I don’t see why you would question my morality. But I see what your saying like a my dog went missing reward. Not a bad idea but at the same time if I found someone’s dog I probably just give it back and say keep the reward money.

And I dont see why you would question mine. I found dog is quite different than a purchased 5 or 10 grand Mantle RC.

[rainier2004]

So my understanding on this...

If you have property that was reported stolen, you cannot convey good title on that item. I believe the law dictates you go back to the person you bought the card from and get your money back, then they go to who they bought it from and get their money back and down the line. Even if the insurance has paid on a claim the property in still good as it belongs to the insurance company now.

There are several ways to handle it though very dependent on the specific circumstances.

That sucks to have your card stolen though...

[drcy]

Yes, with a stolen item, the item goes straight to the rightful owner (presumably the person that the item was stolen from), but you get the $$ refund from the person you bought it from. That's why they tell you to keep the receipt.

That's also why, despite criticism from the chatboard rabble (:) ), auction houses are using sound legal judgment when they don't give refunds to a person who is not the direct buyer. If you think about it, giving a refund to a person who was not only wasn't the buyer but who you may have never met before is goofy. If they give the refund to anyone down the buying food chain, multiple people may be asking for full refunds on one item.

I remember on this board when someone wanted refund from the original auction house. Not only wasn't he the original buyer from the auction house, but he insisted the auction house pay what he paid for it years later and not what the auction house originally sold it for. He got angry when I said that that's not the way things work nor should work.

Along the lines of the above paragraph, I also find it amusing when collectors years after the fact assign rules and conditions to LOAs or auction house rules that appear nowhere on the LOA. "The LOA says one-year money back guarantee, but I think the should be lifetime triple money back guarantee. Everyone with me?" While he's at it, he might as include "Plus a new car and a date with Charlize Theron." And let me take a wild guess: he'd be pissed if the auction house retroactively changed the terms of the letter in their favor ("No, no, you've got it wrong. I've clearly just written in the margin that YOU owe ME a new car and date with Charlize Theron. No, just a second here, where's my pen?: 'Two cars.' No, wait, 'Plus you have to wear really ugly clothes for a year and tell people that your name is Butt.' Sorry, there's no more blank space on the letter to write on, so I win!")

[PowderedH2O]

If you really wanted to keep track of a card, you could have some sort of portable security system like stores do. Put a sticker on your graded slab and if you don't deactivate it, it goes off as soon as it leaves your area and sounds an alarm. Yes, stickers can be removed, but if it takes someone 3 minutes to take off a sticker within 10 feet of you, it is less likely they will spend the time doing so.

[Republicaninmass]

On side note, this Clemente was stolen from my home by a family friend. I've searched and searched but it has never come back up for sale. Bet yo azz I'll be contacting the auction house if it came up, and my receipt is my invoice from heritage

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-cards/singles-1950-1959-/1955-topps-roberto-clemente-164-sgc-84-nm-7/a/714-81237



https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-cards/singles-1950-1959-/1955-topps-roberto-clemente-164-sgc-84-nm-7/a/714-81237.s

[irv]

On side note, this Clemente was stolen from my home by a family friend. I've searched and searched but it has never come back up for sale. Bet yo azz I'll be contacting the auction house if it came up, and my receipt is my invoice from heritage

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-cards/singles-1950-1959-/1955-topps-roberto-clemente-164-sgc-84-nm-7/a/714-81237



https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-cards/singles-1950-1959-/1955-topps-roberto-clemente-164-sgc-84-nm-7/a/714-81237.s

Wow. 2 cards stolen by someone the owners knew. I hate reading about these thefts, but it is really more shocking/upsetting when you read about them being stolen by people the owners likely knew and trusted.

I recently went through something similar where I misplaced some hockey cards of mine, including my Tavares RC and a few other cards I collected when I was just a boy.

I searched and searched but bit my tongue mentioning anything to my son who I assumed was one of his friends while we were away at our trailer.

Thankfully I didn't as I have a feeling this would of upset my son greatly thinking I didn't trust his friends.

I had a similar story when I was quite young regarding my sisters watch. A friend took a shine to her unique watch. It went missing for days after but I actually accused him of stealing it as he was the last person I seen holding and admiring it.

Long story short, it was found under a couch in our rec room about a week or so later. :o

The guy I accused of stealing it is now the Chief of Police in my hometown.

Of course I apologized profusely but our friendship was never the same afterward, sadly.

[NotVader]

1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle PSA 4

Cert# 41944340

Any info as to whereabouts are appreciated.

If this pops up anywhere, contact me immediately. Thanks.


As we all now know, Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland has this Stolen Mantle.

[JustinD]

As we all now know, Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland has this Stolen Mantle.

Is this real?

[Leon]

Is this real?

I am still trying to figure out what he means?

[Lorewalker]

As we all now know, Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland has this Stolen Mantle.

Why does NotVader not need to display his/her name? I thought I read in the rules that our names must be posted, no?

And why has this person posted more times on this thread than the person whose card was stolen?

Inquiring minds want to know...

[irv]

Greg,

Heard about this missing card and Joined this Forum today specifically to find you.
We met briefly at National when you were viewing my Step-Uncle's RED HEART set and you two were talking about doing the "Purple Sticker" on his Mantle 4.5 VG-EX+. Not sure if you remember me? I am the girl who said 'I cant believe you guys are collecting Dog Food Labels LOL!' I had Florida Gators hat.

I saw you at ice cream stand late on last day of show don't think you saw me you were in an intense conversation with your partner and Earl Johnson the gentleman who was let-go by SGC. Is this related? The three of you were obsessing about a card (the mantle?) you were viewing an image of on a phone not sure if this was before or after card vanished? It probably already was gone at that time and yall were discussing situation if not thought this tidbit might help to solve. Call or message me if I can do anything you have my Uncle's Number he said to say he feels awful about this story.

From Sunny Florida,

C. Vader

He is a "she" guys. :)

[rainier2004]

As we all now know, Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland has this Stolen Mantle.

????

[ullmandds]

As we all now know, Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland has this Stolen Mantle.

but old earl died in 2012????

[Leon]

Why does NotVader not need to display his/her name? I thought I read in the rules that our names must be posted, no?

And why has this person posted more times on this thread than the person whose card was stolen?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Names need to be posted when they give an opinion of a person or business. Once I figure out what she (she is a she) is talking about then we can go from there. I think it was just some sarcasm.

[barrysloate]

Never mind. I mixed up two different posters. My bad.

[Leon]

This guy has opened at least three old threads. Something is fishy. He needs to identify himself.

This guy is Chri.stina Va.der.

[irv]

Names need to be posted when they give an opinion of a person or business. Once I figure out what she (she is a she) is talking about then we can go from there. I think it was just some sarcasm.

Seems like an odd post to make 6 days after the last one? :confused:

[barrysloate]

This guy is Chri.stina Va.der.

There's another guy who opened several threads regarding stolen cards, and didn't put his name out. That's who I meant. I confused the two.

[Leon]

There's another guy who opened several threads regarding stolen cards, and didn't put his name out. That's who I meant. I confused the two.

I thought you might be thinking of him, actually. Fixed now. Now back to your Lazy Boy!!

[vintagetoppsguy]

As we all now know, Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland has this Stolen Mantle.

???

Earl Johnson that used to work for SGC?

[chalupacollects]

It's too bad top card graders like PSA and SGC don't insert an anti-theft tag like they use at stores or a GPS chip, especially on higher value graded cards. The tag could be activated while at a card show, so if the card goes beyond a predetermined radius a very loud siren would go off and maybe set it up with the show that cameras would focus on this area, maybe restrict people from exiting till the card is found too. With the new technology, it should be possible for the owner to enable a GPS tracking system or at least a tag in the cardholder if the high-value card is stolen.

I called both PSA and SGC and brought up the idea, with SGC giving me an E-mail address to pass on this to someone higher up.

Or at the very least, some sort of invisible ink identifier placed on the back of the card visible only under a unique portion of the light spectrum... That way one could alert the TPG's and they could check incoming subs for the mark before starting the grading process... Of course they would have to cooperate with each other if they use different portions of the spectrum to make the mark appear...

[chalupacollects]

Agreed. There's a lot of scenario's, here's another. Let's say you have an unscrupulous seller (geez, that never happens :rolleyes:) and he reports a card stolen, but he made up the story for insurance purposes. That card is later traded/sold via private transaction by the seller who reported it stolen and then the card is sold a time or two even after that. Then the original seller who reported the card stolen finds out who currently owns it and says, "Wait a minute. That was my card. I reported it stolen. Here's the police report." And if I may borrow from part of your scenario, let's say the buyer saved 3 years of his card budget ($30K), why should he be out of $30K because of some fraudulent seller? I'm sorry, but just because someone reports something stolen DOES NOT make it theirs once the item turns up. You're right, it's not always that black and white.

I, too, am not implying that anything like that happened in this case, but there are too many scenarios to say just because someone reports something stolen and it later turns up that it should be returned to the one that reported it stolen.

I believe in that case if the original seller was paid by his/her insurance company, technically the card would belong to the insurance company not the original seller.... Though I would think that by blowing the whistle on it the original seller may open himself up to some unwanted legal scrutiny...

[LarryLegend33]

Hey all such a tragic thing to read about any update on the missing hope it’s found!

[LarryLegend33]

Is it crazy to ask how/why the building has no video or security? This victimized dealer is at very front of the room, correct?

[Jobu]

I am curious about this too. Is this the same Earl? This also makes me want to ask why he no longer works for SGC.

???

Earl Johnson that used to work for SGC?

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

I was under the impression that he didn't make the move with SGC to Florida.

[NotVader]

Why does NotVader not need to display his/her name? I thought I read in the rules that our names must be posted, no?

And why has this person posted more times on this thread than the person whose card was stolen?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Inquiring MIND it seems --- and not sure what you are asking at that ?

I am saying Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland is the person who is in possession of LOWPOPPER's missing mantle. Can I be more clear? I am available should anyone need me.

At Disney This Week,

C. Vader

[bobbyw8469]

Inquiring MIND it seems --- and not sure what you are asking at that ?

I am saying Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland is the person who is in possession of LOWPOPPER's missing mantle. Can I be more clear? I am available should anyone need me.

At Disney This Week,

C. Vader

WOW!!! I never would have pegged Earl as a thief!

[Lorewalker]

Inquiring MIND it seems --- and not sure what you are asking at that ?

I am saying Mr Earl John Son of Cleveland is the person who is in possession of LOWPOPPER's missing mantle. Can I be more clear? I am available should anyone need me.

At Disney This Week,

C. Vader

So lemme get this straight because I am not the smartest guy. You maybe at Disneyland but I feel like I am on a ride.

You met Greg (lowpopper) with your uncle at Greg's booth. Had a brief discussion with him. You also happened to see him in the line waiting to get ice cream but he did not see you and you happened to hear him talking about a card, which you assumed was the Mantle.

You wanted to contact Greg about the missing Mantle and just happened to find this website and this post. Wouldn't it have been easier to find Greg directly since you and your uncle must have had his contact info?

Greg did not see the card get stolen, from what I understand (though Greg has been brief), but you know who took it and you are accusing Earl Johnson (Mr. Earl John Son of Cleveland), who he was with, of being that person who took it?

[Republicaninmass]

WOW!!! I never would have pegged Earl as a thief!
I'm sure someone has reached out to him, this I just have a hard time believing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

So lemme get this straight because I am not the smartest guy. You maybe at Disneyland but I feel like I am on a ride.

You met Greg (lowpopper) with your uncle at Greg's booth. Had a brief discussion with him. You also happened to see him in the line waiting to get ice cream but he did not see you and you happened to hear him talking about a card, which you assumed was the Mantle.

You wanted to contact Greg about the missing Mantle and just happened to find this website and this post. Wouldn't it have been easier to find Greg directly since you and your uncle must have had his contact info?

Greg did not see the card get stolen, from what I understand (though Greg has been brief), but you know who took it and you are accusing Earl Johnson (Mr. Earl John Son of Cleveland), who he was with, of being that person who took it?

In post 44 Greg appears to agree with her version, as incoherent as I found it.

[orly57]

Did I miss the part where she said she actually saw Earl take the card? As Peter wrote, it was a tough read.

-Orlando Rodri guez of Miami

[Peter_Spaeth]

Did I miss the part where she said she actually saw Earl take the card? As Peter wrote, it was a tough read.

-Orlando Rodri guez of Miami

I thought she said she observed Earl at the ice cream stand talking to Greg. Seems unlikely Earl took the card then hung around to chat with Greg at the ice cream stand.

[painthistorian]

Earl Johnson is no longer working for SGC because he got another job with another company right at the time of their move to Florida, and he did NOTHING unethical that caused his dismissal..

As far as I am concerned, Earl has always been a very fine & decent person...pretty hard to believe he is capable of doing something as was being represented in this thread, and because these are serious statements that are now being made public, these discussions should tread carefully.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Following up on what Larry said, to C Vader, what's the basis for your accusation?

[Lorewalker]

Following up on what Larry said, to C Vader, what's the basis for your accusation?

I guess I must not have been clear but that was the intent of my post 101 from earlier. Greg did not confirm it was Earl but has not come on here and denied it either.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I guess I must not have been clear but that was the intent of my post 101 from earlier. Greg did not confirm it was Earl but has not come on here and denied it either.

Greg's first post asks for any info on its whereabouts, so presumably he doesn't know who stole it?

I could be wrong but there's something off about this whole thread.

[Lorewalker]

Greg's first post asks for any info on its whereabouts, so presumably he doesn't know who stole it?

I could be wrong but there's something off about this whole thread.

Yes...again that was my overall point. C Vader knows who stole it but Greg has lead on that he does not know but he sorta infers it was Earl (in his reply to C Vader) but just has not come out and said so.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yes...again that was my overall point. C Vader knows who stole it but Greg has lead on that he does not know but he sorta infers it was Earl (in his reply to C Vader) but just has not come out and said so.

IMO it behooves Greg to come back here and say exactly what it is he knows and doesn't know instead of all this cryptic stuff. Especially when a man with a good hobby reputation has now been accused of theft.

[Lprodeline]

FYI-Earl wasn't offered a position in Florida. And I have no doubt he stole the card.

[Lorewalker]

IMO it behooves Greg to come back here and say exactly what it is he knows and doesn't know instead of all this vagueness.

Agreed. The details are pretty vague and C Vader's appearance and involvement in all of this is just way too coincidental.

[Peter_Spaeth]

FYI-Earl wasn't offered a position in Florida. And I have no doubt he stole the card.

That's going to require a full name.

[lowpopper]

If you read my previous posts, I have only stated the facts of the unfortunate scenario. It sounds like something out of a B movie and it angers me to think somebody got me with my guard down.

The Mantle was passed around at the ice cream stand. We all parted ways without me saying “WHERE IS MY EFFING CARD”. Moments later, I am minus 1 mantle rookie.

These are the FACTS of what happened. I will not offer any specific “opinions” about this issue publicly on this forum. It is unfortunate this had to happen. All I can say to everyone who reads this is to learn from my mistake. Make sure you are spatially aware of your items at all times. They can and will spontaneously grow legs.

As for the Vader character, I reached out to her on a direct message and got no
reply. With all the clowning that goes on through this forum, I would not be surprised if it was someone sitting behind a keyboard having some fun at my expense. I salute you, troll.

This is Greg, signing off. Everybody just keep an eye out for my card. That’s all I ask. Have a good weekend.

[toledo_mudhen]

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[irv]

If you read my previous posts, I have only stated the facts of the unfortunate scenario. It sounds like something out of a B movie and it angers me to think somebody got me with my guard down.

The Mantle was passed around at the ice cream stand. We all parted ways without me saying “WHERE IS MY EFFING CARD”. Moments later, I am minus 1 mantle rookie.

These are the FACTS of what happened. I will not offer any specific “opinions” about this issue publicly on this forum. It is unfortunate this had to happen. All I can say to everyone who reads this is to learn from my mistake. Make sure you are spatially aware of your items at all times. They can and will spontaneously grow legs.

As for the Vader character, I reached out to her on a direct message and got no
reply. With all the clowning that goes on through this forum, I would not be surprised if it was someone sitting behind a keyboard having some fun at my expense. I salute you, troll.

This is Greg, signing off. Everybody just keep an eye out for my card. That’s all I ask. Have a good weekend.

That is dirty! :mad:

I assume you have reached out to, Leon, as I would assume he has a lot more of her info on her whereabouts? Phone number, etc.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Lprodeline appears to have worked for SGC Authentic, judging by this and another post.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpost.php?p=1213900&postcount=2

Weirder and weirder, to paraphrase Alice.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And it just got weirder. So two women have now come on this thread (assuming C Vader is who she says she is) to accuse Earl. One who worked for or works for SGC Authentic supposedly and one who though she claims to be from Florida where Earl never worked somehow knew who he was and that he had worked for SGC.

[hcv123]

They likely would have spoken to the last 3 people (Greg, partner and Earl??) to hold the card. If not already done, probably still worth doing. Police have ways of making people talk.

[Republicaninmass]

Wow, that us terrible. I guess the proof would be when someone offers it for sale, via text on their cell phone or otherwise, or its subbed for grading.

[darkhorse9]

Getting back to the thread about tracking expensive cards, couldn't PSA make a special outer holder that could only be removed by the dealer? Kind of like the tags they put on clothes or games at Target.

Only authorized dealers would have the tool to open it and likely only use it on real high end cards. Try and crack it without it and die would ruin it.

Just a thought

[Leon]

That's going to require a full name.

The full name is out there however, this member doesn't have a good phone number on file. "She" is gone. Apparently this person used to work at SGC quite some time ago. I would not believe anything this member said at this point because it is possibly not who it is portrayed to be. It was a 5 yr old membership. That said, there is this newer info....

I have information from a credible source that Earl didn't take this card and this Lisa person has a grudge against him from years ago. And my source says SGC did in fact offer Earl a job but he couldn't take it due to personal matters. I confirmed Earl is in good standing with SGC.

[bobbyw8469]

The full name is out there however, this member doesn't have a good phone number on file. "She" is gone. Apparently this person used to work at SGC quite some time ago. I would not believe anything this member said at this point because it is possibly not who it is portrayed to be. It was a 5 yr old membership.

I have information from a credible source that Earl didn't take this card and this Lisa person has a grudge against him from years ago. And my source says SGC did in fact offer Earl a job but he he couldn't take it due to personal matters. I confirmed Earl is in good standing with SGC.

Thats good to know....I didn't think Earl would do something like this....

[whitehse]

How terrible it is that someone's name can be dragged through the mud by a drive by poster like Earl's name has.

[Leon]

How terrible it is that someone's name can be dragged through the mud by a drive by poster like Earl's name has.

I agree. The whole thing can be deleted on this forum but then it can look worse because others have quoted, responded etc..unless those are deleted too? The best thing to probably do is just put it out here that Earl didn't do anything wrong as far as anyone has shown, whatsoever. My understanding is that this person has also posted damning things on Twitter, which I don't frequent at all. And maybe other places too.
Hey, there is a place on one site where my name is next to a quote saying I am saying it's ok to steal as long as you don't get caught LOL. For the record, I don't and have never believed that., :) But it is out there as I am saying it. What can you do?

[Peter_Spaeth]

IMO Greg continuing to be cryptic is part of the problem. If Earl wasn't there, or if he doesn't think Earl is culpable, he should say so.

[Lorewalker]

IMO Greg continuing to be cryptic is part of the problem. If Earl wasn't there, or if he doesn't think Earl is culpable, he should say so.

He confirmed that Earl was there in line with him waiting for ice cream. I do not know Earl but he is being made to look like a thief. Greg is being a bit irresponsible with how he has handled this and it makes me question if he is being 100% truthful. If anyone knows Earl maybe he should be contacted so he can decide if he wants to pipe in?

[MW1]

The Mantle was passed around at the ice cream stand. We all parted ways without me saying “WHERE IS MY EFFING CARD”. Moments later, I am minus 1 mantle rookie.So you brought your Mantle to the ice cream stand, it was passed around among several people, and you forgot and left without it? Is that correct?

[frankbmd]

So you brought your Mantle to the ice cream stand, it was passed around among several people, and you forgot and left without it? Is that correct?

The lure of a triple scoop waffle cone can be quite distracting.

[commishbob]

The lure of a triple scoop waffle cone can be quite distracting.

:-) This thread needed some levity because to quote Capt. Miller in Saving Private Ryan..."Things have taken a turn for the surreal."

[111gecko]

The full name is out there however, this member doesn't have a good phone number on file. "She" is gone. Apparently this person used to work at SGC quite some time ago. I would not believe anything this member said at this point because it is possibly not who it is portrayed to be. It was a 5 yr old membership. That said, there is this newer info....

I have information from a credible source that Earl didn't take this card and this Lisa person has a grudge against him from years ago. And my source says SGC did in fact offer Earl a job but he couldn't take it due to personal matters. I confirmed Earl is in good standing with SGC.

For what it’s worth, Earl came to work with us at Baseball Card Roadshows for a year. He didn’t want to move to Florida. During his time with us he was around hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash and inventory and we were never concerned nor had any issues.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I could be wrong, but my gut says the problem is not with Earl, it's with the unidentified third guy. Now why two (apparent) women have jumped on this thread to accuse Earl, I haven't figured out.

[vintagetoppsguy]

As for the Vader character, I reached out to her on a direct message and got no reply. With all the clowning that goes on through this forum, I would not be surprised if it was someone sitting behind a keyboard having some fun at my expense. I salute you, troll.

We met briefly at National when you were viewing my Step-Uncle's RED HEART set and you two were talking about doing the "Purple Sticker" on his Mantle 4.5 VG-EX+. Not sure if you remember me? I am the girl who said 'I cant believe you guys are collecting Dog Food Labels LOL!' I had Florida Gators hat.

She gave a pretty good description of herself. Do you not remember talking to a guy about his Red Heart set and a girl being with him? Did she not say what she said she did (about the dog food label)? Was she not in a Florida Gators hat? You make it sound like you never saw her or talked to her. Either she's making the whole thing up or you have a really bad memory.

[Stampsfan]

How terrible it is that someone's name can be dragged through the mud by a drive by poster like Earl's name has.
Welcome to the internet.

He confirmed that Earl was there in line with him waiting for ice cream....
Now we really know ice cream is bad for you in several ways.

The lure of a triple scoop waffle cone can be quite distracting.
Love it. We can always depend on Frank to raise the humor bar at just the right time.

[pokerplyr80]

How terrible it is that someone's name can be dragged through the mud by a drive by poster like Earl's name has.

That is certainly not unique to this board or our hobby. The things that are said and assumed about anyone simply accused of a crime these days can be pretty brutal. It seems the presumption of innocence until guilt has been proven is a foreign concept to many.

[Johnny630]

All time lows ugh

[Lorewalker]

And it just got weirder. So two women have now come on this thread (assuming C Vader is who she says she is) to accuse Earl. One who worked for or works for SGC Authentic supposedly and one who though she claims to be from Florida where Earl never worked somehow knew who he was and that he had worked for SGC.

Pretty amazing, eh, for a "female" who would say the following: 'I cant believe you guys are collecting Dog Food Labels LOL!' If she knows Earl Johnson and knows he worked for SGC and was let go, then she should not be shocked by the fact that guys collect dog food labels referring to Red Hearts. Heck I have been in the hobby for 6 years and not even sure I recall hearing the name Earl Johnson until this thread let alone knowing he worked for SGC.

I am no profiler but I do not believe for a minute that C. Vader is female. I also am not sure I believe a 51 Mantle was actually stolen or is even missing. Something is just not sitting right with me and I hope I am wrong.

What I do know is that Earl has obviously pissed off some people out there that they would come on here and accuse him of theft and the person whose card was allegedly stolen is not denying these "women's" claims. Honestly this feels pretty irresponsible from my vantage point.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And Vader overhears Greg and her step-uncle talking about stickering the uncle's Mantle 4.5, and then by some coincidence the same card (in a 4) ends up being the one stolen from Greg? Something is BS here.

[Huysmans]

Love it. We can always depend on Frank to raise the humor bar at just the right time.

He didn't just raise the humor bar regarding ice cream... it was Good Humor.

[painthistorian]

I usually do not post more than once in a while but this thread is particularly alarming...first...SGC Lisa is wrong, Earl could have gone to Florida but opted to go to work for the card company that actually bought/buys large quantities of cards on the road(roadshow). I spoke to SGC and it was a mutual business decision with NO underhanded issues. second, even if there was an issue, no one should have his reputation put through the mud without a police report or some kind of documented legal proof, it is very wrong to accuse someone through a forum by this method of accusation and if the card of that value was stolen, a police report should have been issued anyway!

[glchen]

I don’t know why ppl are doubting that C Vader is a female. She describes herself and says that she met Greg. Greg never contradicted any of her posts. She just happened to be a witness to the ice cream stand incident. I’m not saying Earl stole the card. She just saw the event right before the theft happened. Maybe Earl passed the card to someone else who gave it to another person who took the card.

Pretty amazing, eh, for a "female" who would say the following: 'I cant believe you guys are collecting Dog Food Labels LOL!' If she knows Earl Johnson and knows he worked for SGC and was let go, then she should not be shocked by the fact that guys collect dog food labels referring to Red Hearts. Heck I have been in the hobby for 6 years and not even sure I recall hearing the name Earl Johnson until this thread let alone knowing he worked for SGC.

I am no profiler but I do not believe for a minute that C. Vader is female. I also am not sure I believe a 51 Mantle was actually stolen or is even missing. Something is just not sitting right with me and I hope I am wrong.

What I do know is that Earl has obviously pissed off some people out there that they would come on here and accuse him of theft and the person whose card was allegedly stolen is not denying these "women's" claims. Honestly this feels pretty irresponsible from my vantage point.

[hcv123]

Greg,

Did you/when did you file a police report?

[Lorewalker]

I don’t know why ppl are doubting that C Vader is a female. She describes herself and says that she met Greg. Greg never contradicted any of her posts. She just happened to be a witness to the ice cream stand incident. I’m not saying Earl stole the card. She just saw the event right before the theft happened. Maybe Earl passed the card to someone else who gave it to another person who took the card.

Greg has not confirmed or denied too much but he did just write "As for the Vader character, I reached out to her on a direct message and got no
reply. With all the clowning that goes on through this forum, I would not be surprised if it was someone sitting behind a keyboard having some fun at my expense. I salute you, troll."

[glchen]

In post 44 of this thread, Greg said that he agreed with C Vader’s summary of the event. She was the first person to describe that event happening so she could not have made it up and probably was there.

Greg has not confirmed or denied too much but he did just write "As for the Vader character, I reached out to her on a direct message and got no
reply. With all the clowning that goes on through this forum, I would not be surprised if it was someone sitting behind a keyboard having some fun at my expense. I salute you, troll."

[Lorewalker]

In post 44 of this thread, Greg said that he agreed with C Vader’s summary of the event. She was the first person to describe that event happening so she could not have made it up and probably was there.

Am aware of that but then most recently he dismisses C. Vader. Seems to be a lack of clarity and a lack of consistency.

[bensie]

Am aware of that but then most recently he dismisses C. Vader. Seems to be a lack of clarity and a lack of consistency.
I didn't even understand Vader's post in the first place. How did her anecdote help in any way?

[Lorewalker]

I didn't even understand Vader's post in the first place. How did her anecdote help in any way?

I have never suggested that C. Vader's posts helped at all. Maybe ask glchen. I have only questioned the validity and motive of Vader's posts.

[thenextlevel]

Umm, where is Greg to answer these questions? He’s been signed on the last two days. I call BS!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Who else was at the ice cream stand with Greg and Earl?

Did Greg file a police report?

Who is C Vader and what was the motive for his/her post?

Why does Lisa Prodeline have a grudge against Earl to the point where she would lie about his employment and accuse him of stealing a card?

Why is Greg being so evasive?

Was this card, in fact, stolen?

[CW]

I hope the thief gets nabbed.

[Leon]

Who else was at the ice cream stand with Greg and Earl?

Did Greg file a police report?

Who is C Vader and what was the motive for his/her post?

Why does Lisa Prodeline have a grudge against Earl to the point where she would lie about his employment and accuse him of stealing a card?

Why is Greg being so evasive?

Was this card, in fact, stolen?

A message I just sent to Lisa. I was wanting to chat first but she sent back her info as requested. My main concern with board registrations is people are who they say they are.


Actually, I do have your info (new phone number you just sent and verified) and because you have been a member a long time there is no need to talk on the phone. My only concern is people are who they say they are. The fact you made a statement that could land you in court, and in big trouble if not true, doesn’t affect me. I hope you have proof he stole the Mantle card. I think he has a very good lawyer. If I were him I might just sue you for what you said. Anyway, you are reinstated now.

LL

[bigtrain]

When you accuse someone of a crime, you had better be able to prove it. There is no internet exception to per se libel. If I were Earl, I would be looking for an address for service of process.

[1952boyntoncollector]

When you accuse someone of a crime, you had better be able to prove it. There is no internet exception to per se libel. If I were Earl, I would be looking for an address for service of process.

man i hear all of this libel stuff and threats of lawsuits on net54 for years....nothing ever happens, but everyone makes it sound so easy and make sense logistically to just to sue on this...clearly isnt..

[Republicaninmass]

Maybe we should have our profession listed...along with our full names :D

[Leon]

man i hear all of this libel stuff and threats of lawsuits on net54 for years....nothing ever happens, but everyone makes it sound so easy and make sense logistically to just to sue on this...clearly isnt..

Obviously someone who didn't hear the FBI (Thanks again SA Brusokas) speak at the Net54baseball Dinner during the National in 2017. Don't think for a second that no court actions/statements have ever involved our forum members. I assure you this is a public forum and what you say, you can be held accountable for.
Ask Doug Allen when he gets out.
ps...I do agree with your statement about it not being a piece of cake to sue someone. Mostly it just takes money and time though. For the record I have never sued anyone or been sued.

[painthistorian]

Again, I rarely post....this forum history stays on the internet and there is a historical record of what everyone writes that LASTS THRU THE AGES unless Leon deletes it which I don't think he will do!....someone that has a $10K card stolen and identifies a culprit by name, not only should file a police report but also needs to file an insurance claim through their homeowners or business insurance.

To accuse someone by name of a felony crime like this is not only bold but is permanently a scar on that person's reputation especially when they are innocent until proven guilty. Without any real proof, this is a libelous action. Earl has a pretty damn good reputation and its up to him to make sure his name is not dragged through the mud but as an longtime hobbyist, I really feel disgusted that someone can say something so bold without real testimony proof or any legal justification. If legal justification is warranted, its time to step into the batters box, this is not just about cards, its about integrity.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Obviously someone who didn't hear the FBI (Thanks again SA Brusokas) speak at the Net54baseball Dinner during the National in 2017. Don't think for a second that no court actions/statements have ever involved our forum members. I assure you this is a public forum and what you say, you can be held accountable for.
Ask Doug Allen when he gets out.
ps...I do agree with your statement about it not being a piece of cake to sue someone. Mostly it just takes money and time though. For the record I have never sued anyone or been sued.

Maybe involve forum members on a secondary issue related to something off the forum ..but nothing came from something started from the forum in which everyone on the forum then says there should be a lawsuit now based on what was said on the forum and many threats made (correct me if i am wrong as i was not a the dinner, but i have not read anything on the threads) Just saying needing time and money to me is like saying all i need is height and talent to play in the NBA..both are very very hard to come by..

I understand everything that is said here stays here and its a public forum... so of course beware what you say as it will stay here forever most likley ..except asking prices :)

[1952boyntoncollector]

..someone that has a $10K card stolen and identifies a culprit by name, not only should file a police report but also needs to file an insurance claim through their homeowners or business insurance.



never understood why everyone feels their homeowners insurance covers all of these random things....insurance companies dont make money paying claims...if there is gray area, if you arent sure they will pay, then the answer is 99% they wont. I see it time to time people on the forum referencing homeowners insurance paying for a lost card/ card stolen etc..... I havent' heard one story ever where someone got their homeowner insurance to pay on something happening to their card outside the home.....plus even if the issue happened inside your house, there would be issues of proving value, deductible, limits you can claim and again, whether it would be even covered......people just throw it out too often, 'have your homeowners coverage pay' when you lose an item outside the home..or get injured on a someones bicycle or fun type ride outside the home, or drycleaner ruins your clothes etc......

For the 100s of times i hear someone say 'put in a claim with your homeowners' im guessing zero times there is ever a recovery (ive never heard anyone say they got one), yet we will keep hearing people say call your homeowners insurance...its almost up there with suing for libel on this forum...

[bigtrain]

Maybe we should have our profession listed...along with our full names :D

Not a bad idea. 36 years experience as a trial lawyer. I don't handle civil litigation any more but did defend VCBC magazine in a libel suit some years ago in Federal District court here in New Jersey. Lawsuits are expensive but when someone threatens your livelihood by accusing you of a crime, it may be worth the cost. This is not a hobby to Earl. It is his vocation.

[painthistorian]

In response-I recovered years ago from a lost item that was well documented.....often times it is correct that is tough to recover from insurance, HOWEVER you need to file a claim just to attempt to collect o/w you get NOTHING, as long as you have not filed excessive claims....and if you had an original receipt of buying the card or any expensive item, the PSA cert #, and an original police report and an affadavit from that "2nd party" that this was stolen at a show... there is a good chance a reputable insurance company WILL pay...You have to do your homework and be prudent, persistent & honest.

[1952boyntoncollector]

In response-often times it is correct that is tough to recover from insurance, HOWEVER you need to file a claim just to attempt to collect o/w you get NOTHING....and if you had an original receipt of buying the card or the PSA cert #, and an original reported police report and an affadavit from that "2nd party" that this was stolen at a show... there is a good chance a reputable insurance company WILL pay..You have to do your homework and be prudent, persistant & honest.

agree with you that you do have to put in a claiim to have a chance and to avoid being denied for not having timely notice but again not sure what you mean by 'reputable insurance company' if its homeowners insurance..here we go again... insurance policies have changed over time but would need to know more info than 'recovered for lost item'.

i do know they sell collectible insurance......usually when there is that type of coverage that would mean that more common types of insurance, ie. homeowners, do not. Another example, rental insurance.

Also beware that just filing a claim, even if its turned down, still goes on your claims history for all insurance potentially. Maybe that impacts future premiums, maybe not. If no claim no risk though...

[painthistorian]

There are certain insurance companies especially here in NY, that are less than stellar, most larger national companies will pay on a claim if very well documented and as long as your policy does not state explicit limitations...there are some "localized regional companies" that are not as easy to collect from regarding personal merchandise.

Either way, a police report is MANDATORY

[Bpm0014]

The lure of a triple scoop waffle cone can be quite distracting

Probably the best line I ever read on Net54!! :D

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

The lure of a triple scoop waffle cone can be quite distracting

Probably the best line I ever read on Net54!! :D

I laughed when I read this too because those ice cream cones were damn good! I got one day 2 and meant to get another one day 4 but didn't get around to it.

[Lprodeline]

Update, Net 54 has all of my current info and I have no grudge against anyone. I simply stated my opinion based on personal experiences. Sincerely, Lisa Prodeline

[nsaddict]

Oh boy, here we go round 2.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Update, Net 54 has all of my current info and I have no grudge against anyone. I simply stated my opinion based on personal experiences. Sincerely, Lisa Prodeline

Either you have some knowledge about the facts of the case, which you have not shared, or you don't in which case your "opinion" is completely meaningless speculation. IMO, of course. And if you aren't even going to state the basis for your "opinion" that's completely unfair to Earl and irresponsible. IMO, again.

C Vader never really stated her (assumption) reason for accusing Earl either. She allegedly saw him with Greg and another person in the group passing around the card, but never said why she thought Earl and not the other person took the card.

[Leon]

Inquiring minds would like to know (publicly)!!

Either you have some knowledge about the facts of the case, which you have not shared, or you don't in which case your "opinion" is completely meaningless speculation. IMO, of course. And if you aren't even going to state the basis for your "opinion" that's completely unfair to Earl and irresponsible. IMO, again.

C Vader never really stated her (assumption) reason for accusing Earl either. She allegedly saw him with Greg and another person in the group passing around the card, but never said why she thought Earl and not the other person took the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's disgraceful IMO, in case that didn't come through before lol. In my opinion, if you're going to accuse someone of a crime, just putting your name by it is not enough, you should have to state your basis.

[Leon]

It's disgraceful IMO, in case that didn't come through before lol. In my opinion, if you're going to accuse someone of a crime, just putting your name by it is not enough, you should have to state your basis.

BS.
And next do you get to interrogate them and make that mandatory too? I can't imagine that kind of situation. Putting your full name next to it is the way we have always held people accountable. IF those taken to task don't want to say anything that is their prerogative.

[Peter_Spaeth]

BS.
And next do you get to interrogate them and make that mandatory too? I can't imagine that kind of situation. Putting your full name next to it is the way we have always held people accountable. IF those taken to task don't want to say anything that is their prerogative.

I think that's fine where you're expressing an opinion, attacking someone's character, etc. To me, accusing someone of a specific crime in writing is in a different category.

[Fballguy]

So you brought your Mantle to the ice cream stand, it was passed around among several people, and you forgot and left without it? Is that correct?

What are the odds that the one card you have on you at the moment...and presumably multiple people have their eyes on...get's stolen?

[Fballguy]

I could be wrong, but my gut says the problem is not with Earl, it's with the unidentified third guy. Now why two (apparent) women have jumped on this thread to accuse Earl, I haven't figured out.

Oh come on...Two girls mad at Earl? You don't have to be rocket scientist. ;)

[Fballguy]

Am aware of that but then most recently he dismisses C. Vader. Seems to be a lack of clarity and a lack of consistency.

So wouldn't that cast doubt on the OP? Where's Oliver Stone to sort this all out for us?

[Fballguy]

man i hear all of this libel stuff and threats of lawsuits on net54 for years....nothing ever happens, but everyone makes it sound so easy and make sense logistically to just to sue on this...clearly isnt..

Sports card/memorabilia collectors are exceptionally paranoid...it's a known fact and proven here many times over.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Oh come on...Two girls mad at Earl? You don't have to be rocket scientist. ;)

It is weird, no question. Women never post here and two (one confirmed) show up on this thread?

[Johnny630]

Sports card/memorabilia collectors are exceptionally paranoid...it's a known fact and proven here many times over.

+1

[Snapolit1]

Here's a crazy idea. . . .

Next time you want to go to a show to sell and have some really valuable stuff in your case . . . bring along your brother in law, or a neighbor, or some other dude from the corner bar who used to be a cop and pay him $50 for the day and offer to buy him lunch. Tell him to politely watch every interaction you have with your rare cards like a hawk. Guy will sit there and smile and just watch everything. And if he doesn't like a situation that's developing will ask for the cards back pronto.

I am guessing that will reduce your likelihood of being ripped off to essentially zero.

[FourStrikes]

Here's a crazy idea. . . .

Next time you want to go to a show to sell and have some really valuable stuff in your case . . . bring along your brother in law, or a neighbor, or some other dude from the corner bar who used to a cop and pay him $50 for the day and offer to buy him lunch. Tell him to politely watch every interaction you have with your rare cards like a hawk. Guy will sit there and smile and just watch everything. And if he doesn't like a situation that's developing will ask for the cards back pronto.

I am guessing that will reduce your likelihood of being ripped off to essentially zero.

*mic drop* :p

[BigMike79]

Something doesn't add up

The victim corroborated the "female" posters version of events at the time the Mantle was stolen.

The victim then says he reached out to her but got no response and thinks shes a troll.

But he agreed it went down the way only someone who was there could say it went down.

The victim also wrote it "disappeared" and didn't want to call it "thievery"

A different "female" comes forward and accuses one of the people in the group.

A Mantle rookie was passed around a "sticky fingered" ice cream stand and walked away from by the owner?

I think we are getting a fraction of the story. I love who good who dunnit.
I hate to see someone lose any valuable, let alone a Mantle friggin rookie, but we are missing some important pieces to the story.
This isnt the typical stranger steals your valuable when you aren't looking case.
But i hope you get your card back.

[Republicaninmass]

Greg,


I saw you at ice cream stand late on last day of show don't think you saw me you were in an intense conversation with your partner and Earl Johnson the gentleman who was let-go by SGC. Is this related? The three of you were obsessing about a card (the mantle?) you were viewing an image of on a phone not sure if this was before or after card vanished?

C. Vader

I always thought the card disappeared, and someone tried to sell with a photo via text. Then they alerted Greg they were approached to buy the stolen card. This is why they were obsessing about the image on the phone. If anyone saw the card, and was able to snatch it, they'd know what it looked like, and didnt need to be reminded by a photo. The photo would be from a third party saying, "hey bud, this guy is trying to sell me your card"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Meanwhile NotVader, who came across as a non collector/outsider making jokes about her step uncle collecting dog food cards, posts that she has 85 t206 cards.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpost.php?p=1809724&postcount=2128

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Here's a crazy idea. . . .

Next time you want to go to a show to sell and have some really valuable stuff in your case . . . bring along your brother in law, or a neighbor, or some other dude from the corner bar who used to a cop and pay him $50 for the day and offer to buy him lunch. Tell him to politely watch every interaction you have with your rare cards like a hawk. Guy will sit there and smile and just watch everything. And if he doesn't like a situation that's developing will ask for the cards back pronto.

I am guessing that will reduce your likelihood of being ripped off to essentially zero.

Nice to see you posting again!!

[Lorewalker]

Meanwhile NotVader, who came across as a non collector/outsider making jokes about her step uncle collecting dog food cards, posts that she has 85 t206 cards.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpost.php?p=1809724&postcount=2128

In defense of C. Vader, (s)he was not trying to pose as a non collector but to mock those collectors who collect cards issued by dog food manufacturers. Clearly T206s are where his/her collection is at.

[Peter_Spaeth]

In defense of C. Vader, (s)he was not trying to pose as a non collector but to mock those collectors who collect cards issued by dog food manufacturers. Clearly T206s are where his/her collection is at.

I suppose, but hard to believe any real collector would mock Red Heart collectors.

[bobbyw8469]

I suppose, but hard to believe any real collector would mock Red Heart collectors.

Ditto.

[Lorewalker]

I suppose, but hard to believe any real collector would mock Red Heart collectors.

I was being completely facetious. I was very skeptical of his/her first post. (S)he knew of Earl but played off as an outsider in the hobby with the dog food label comment? How many veteran collectors know Earl let alone would id him in a line waiting to get ice cream?

Whomever is playing the role of C. Vader needs to study the script better or the writer needs to be fired for story/character inconsistencies.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I was being completely facetious. I was very skeptical of his/her first post. (S)he knew of Earl but played off as an outsider in the hobby with the dog food label comment? How many veteran collectors know Earl let alone would id him in a line waiting to get ice cream?

Whomever is playing the role of C. Vader needs to study the script better or the writer needs to be fired for story/character inconsistencies.

Ah OK lol.

I thought maybe the step uncle knew him and that explained that part of it, but what's the point of trying to figure this mess out, all the protagonists are behaving strangely including the OP if you ask me.

[Republicaninmass]

How many veteran collectors know Earl let alone would id him in a line waiting to get ice cream?
.

All of them I'd think. He's pretty recognizable

[Lorewalker]

All of them I'd think. He's pretty recognizable

I have 6 years in so that either means I have not attained veteran status or I am the exception to your statement. Have no idea who Earl is, what he looks like, where he worked nor why he no longer works for his prior employer.

So let me ask you if you find it odd that some who would state, 'I cant believe you guys are collecting Dog Food Labels LOL!' would also know of Earl, be able to spot him in line getting ice cream, know he worked for SGC and know he left SGC? I find it very odd but maybe I am just odd.

[Republicaninmass]

I have 6 years in so that either means I have not attained veteran status or I am the exception to your statement. Have no idea who Earl is, what he looks like, where he worked nor why he no longer works for his prior employer.
.


6 years, you barely scratched the surface! Just kidding


If you've submitted cards to sgc in the past you'd probably know him. He was the guy who was always there and had some distinguishing features and demeanor

[Fballguy]

6 years, you barely scratched the surface! Just kidding


If you've submitted cards to sgc in the past you'd probably know him. He was the guy who was always there and had some distinguishing features and demeanor

It's not this guy is it?

<a href="http://imgbox.com/ud1rn99b" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/45/ae/ud1rn99b_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>

[Republicaninmass]

It's not this guy is it?

<a href="http://imgbox.com/ud1rn99b" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/45/ae/ud1rn99b_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>Lol, maybe a few years older, and darker hair and mustache

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

[Yoda]

This is obvious: the butler did it.

[Fballguy]

This is obvious: the butler did it.

I was thinking Colonel Mustard.

[jimm]

A young gal recently posted in a FB group I am in how she left her phone in a bathroom, then someone stole it. I really want it back!!! Sounds more like she lost her phone to me. These situation kinda reminded me of each other...

[Fballguy]

What's the latest? Was the card found or what?

[Paul S]

What's the hurry?

[Fballguy]

Curious response. I'm guessing if it was your card, you'd be in a hurry.

What's the hurry?

[Paul S]

Curious response. I'm guessing if it was your card, you'd be in a hurry.
If there were a "facetious" emoji available here, it would have been appended. I was referring to the large amount replies to the thread as weighted against the amount of first-person accounts. Maybe that was understood by most(?)

[frankbmd]

I suppose, but hard to believe any real collector would mock Red Heart collectors.

According to my research, 96.23% of dogs consumed only the dog food and not the card.

Therefore boarding kennel owners should be the “elite” Red Heart collectors.

Bow Wow WoW

[Lorewalker]

How about a cool ad?

[Jay Wolt]

That's fantastic, i'd frame that bad boy

[Stampsfan]

Please stop all this "dog food" talk. It's making me hungry.

[Peter_Spaeth]

According to my research, 96.23% of dogs consumed only the dog food and not the card.

Therefore boarding kennel owners should be the “elite” Red Heart collectors.

Bow Wow WoW

Bulldog bulldog

[Peter_Spaeth]

An interesting thing about Red Hearts is that while printed in 1954, they were available through mail-in offers through the early 1970s. Indeed I wonder if any of the cards were later printed.

[lowpopper]

This card is still missing. Please continue to keep an eye out. Thanks.

- Greg

[lowpopper]

This card has still not been recovered. If there is any info, please PM me or make it public. Thanks in advance.

BTW...BIG reward still offered

[CTDean]

This card has still not been recovered. If there is any info, please PM me or make it public. Thanks in advance.

BTW...BIG reward still offered

Greg, I would add the 1951 Bowman Mantle cert # again for those that go straight to the last page of an older thread. Hope it turns up!

[lowpopper]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1838/43157436104_6693f08f92_b.jpg


This card has still not been recovered since it was stolen. It could be cracked
out raw or in a different holder. It has to turn up somewhere eventually.

A LARGE cash reward is still available for any info that leads to its recovery.

[nsaddict]

Very sorry it's still not recovered. Most likely in a different holder. Keeping my fingers crossed and best of luck!

[Peter_Spaeth]

I assume you keep checking sales of comparably graded ones?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

or 6's that are a little narrow top to bottom?

[conor912]

Look for it graded an 8 in Brent's next auction.

[lowpopper]

If the Internet Card Detectives can find 1/64 of and inch missing from the back
of a Tom Brady rookie, locating this card should be easy, no?

Can somebody post Mickey on Blowout? I don't have an account.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If the Internet Card Detectives can find 1/64 of and inch missing from the back
of a Tom Brady rookie, locating this card should be easy, no?

Can somebody post Mickey on Blowout? I don't have an account.

I will email one of the guys for you.

[BengoughingForAwhile]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1838/43157436104_6693f08f92_b.jpg


This card has still not been recovered since it was stolen. It could be cracked
out raw or in a different holder. It has to turn up somewhere eventually.

A LARGE cash reward is still available for any info that leads to its recovery.

If you have a quality back scan that you can share it could definitely help in identifying your card if someone tries to sell it, or has sold it, provided they also have a quality back scan in their listing.

[lowpopper]

$5000 reward to anyone who provides info leading to the recovery of this card.

Thanks in advance.

[MikeGarcia]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/03/a-small-town-couple-left-behind-a-stolen-painting-worth-over-100-million-and-a-big-mystery/?utm_term=.a30ca1a26f7f



...so absorbed in this story my coffee grew cold....wow ...just wow...

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[Buythatcard]

I just reread this entire thread and noticed one thing. Nobody thought about asking the person selling ice cream whether they saw anything.

[conor912]

I just reread this entire thread and noticed one thing. Nobody thought about asking the person selling ice cream whether they saw anything.

I heard it was Colonel Mustard in the convention hall with the ice cream cone.

[T205 GB]

An interesting thing about Red Hearts is that while printed in 1954, they were available through mail-in offers through the early 1970s. Indeed I wonder if any of the cards were later printed.

Hey Peter hope all is well. Some time back I was able to identify that there was at least two separate print runs. Type 1 and type 2. Mantle was used to identify the two. The light blues were type 1 and the dark blues are type two. There are also print marks and alignments that show the differences. I will see if I can get those posted for you to look at.

[T205 GB]

Type one and Type two 54 Red Hearts

[Seven]

Read through this entire thread. Really sorry you've gone through this Greg. Don't have much to contribute in terms of helping search for the card, it's just a terrible reality that there's some extremely dishonest people, with no sense of morals, that steal.

[lowpopper]

All I can ask is that everyone keep an eye out. It will inevitably pop up somewhere eventually.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I hope so for your sake, but it seems to me the most likely scenario is that it would have been broken out of the holder making it untraceable whether it was sold raw, or resubbed.

[luciobar1980]

Yeah, but every card is basically as unique as a fingerprint. It could be found. Not out of the realm of possibility.

[ALR-bishop]

Well, some cards do have fingerprints

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yeah, but every card is basically as unique as a fingerprint. It could be found. Not out of the realm of possibility.

Not even a back scan.

[Tyruscobb]

I can’t imagine all the emotions that you have experienced since the theft occurred. I wish you luck. Finding the card is obviously the first hurdle, but potentially not the tallest.

The reason is the card has probably changed owners several times since the theft. I doubt the original thief is still holding the card. Moreover, the card is probably now encased in a SGC or BVG holder which will (1) make it more difficult to find the card and (2) make it difficult to prove the current owner is not a bona fide/good faith purchaser.

The current possessor is potentially innocent and a bona fide/good faith owner. If so, some states have laws that protect these purchasers/owners. This is especially true if the person that sold him/her the card is long gone. However, that person may also have been an innocent bona fide/ good faith purchaser. The theory is why should the tenth owner down the chain bear the loss if he/she had no idea the card was originally stolen and purchased it in good faith.

The current owner now potentially has a good legal title to the card. So, even if you can somehow locate the card, you then have to fight with the current owner. No one is going to voluntarily hand over a five figure card without a legal battle.

[bnorth]

All I can ask is that everyone keep an eye out. It will inevitably pop up somewhere eventually.

Did anything ever pan out from all the great info you got from Mathew, I mean NotVader?

[Huck]

How about a cool ad?

Well over a decade ago, I found and purchased that ad on ebay. I plan to have the ad framed along with the 33 cards. I almost there, three cards to go!

[rdwyer]

When I saw this post months later, I thought it had been found. What a bummer to find it still hasn't been found. I hope whoever has it, gets paid back with karma.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I can’t imagine all the emotions that you have experienced since the theft occurred. I wish you luck. Finding the card is obviously the first hurdle, but potentially not the tallest.

The reason is the card has probably changed owners several times since the theft. I doubt the original thief is still holding the card. Moreover, the card is probably now encased in a SGC or BVG holder which will (1) make it more difficult to find the card and (2) make it difficult to prove the current owner is not a bona fide/good faith purchaser.

The current possessor is potentially innocent and a bona fide/good faith owner. If so, some states have laws that protect these purchasers/owners. This is especially true if the person that sold him/her the card is long gone. However, that person may also have been an innocent bona fide/ good faith purchaser. The theory is why should the tenth owner down the chain bear the loss if he/she had no idea the card was originally stolen and purchased it in good faith.

The current owner now potentially has a good legal title to the card. So, even if you can somehow locate the card, you then have to fight with the current owner. No one is going to voluntarily hand over a five figure card without a legal battle.

That's news to me, I thought the old rule of nemo dat quod non habet (noone can give what he does not have, meaning a thief cannot convey good title) was still pretty universally followed in the US.