Yankees Ticket Dating Guide BOTCHED

[Shoeless Moe]

Man, anyone use this, I'm assuming yes:

http://keymancollectibles.com/newyorkyankeeshomegameschedule.htm

It's so botched.

Example of a Ticket anyone use the guide will think its a 1936, as did this seller:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-LEAGUE-BASEBALL-CLUB-of-NEW-YORK-RAIN-CHECK-TICKET-YANKEES-vs-INDIANS/222897413016?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

...but its a 1937, thats when the Yankees played the Indians in Game 14.

There are other examples of PSA botching Tickets due to this guide. I can list if anyone would like to see. Thus many Yankees ticket graded by PSA are just completely wrong. You may have one in your possession.

[batsballsbases]

Paul,
Is there a better guide to use in dating these tickets? I have a bunch of them and I do remember a board member a few years ago had said he was able to tell what dates these tickets were from. I dont see him post much anymore...

[Shoeless Moe]

I don't think there is another guide out there. Wish the guys who made this one would correct it, but the problem is PSA has slabbed so many incorrectly I don't think they are admitting to it being botched anytime soon.

Example:

https://goldinauctions.com/1923_New_York_Yankees_April_21_Ticket_Stub___The_4-LOT23876.aspx

Says 1923 on it........problem is its a 1924

This example was initially wrong and they have since corrected that (on years 1923 to 1928), but that was corrected before their guide came out and once it came out they have yet to fix any inconsistencies on years after that so hard to trust the 1930's.

Again so many have been graded its just a mess, it would be nice if they or someone more knowledgeable then me came out with a corrected guide.

[batsballsbases]

Thanks Paul.. That is why I have just held on to these ... Thanks for the info...

[megalimey]

Keyman Guide is accepted as being accurate By PSA and now SGC

the only two recognized ticket authentication companies
SMR Guide even The Baseball Hall of Fame
SGC who have over a hundred errors on tickets. have seen the light and now except it as the norm and there are now many SGC tickets slabbed based on Keyman , has PSA been 100% accurate 100% of the time, obviously I cannot say that
PSA and Now SGC provide Consistency and acknowledged accuracy is what people pay for including all the big auction houses
but I do appreciate your time finding this anomaly. which you say is wrong based on some one hand writing teams ?? , and will all know how accurate that is'
and before you list the other errors you found
I could list 1000's of PSA and SGC 100% correct labels .
the Keyman guide was set up to provide the only posted internet and bonafide verifiable information on undated Yankees tickets , which is become invaluable to the Yankee ticket collector and used extensively . I have received 100's of compliments commending the painstaking Research required to put his date together for any one to see . I am proud of what I have done for the Ticket hobby
and overall its been a wonderful and gratifying experience , and worth the time and effort , and if you guys still want to try and blow it up over a some errors you found [B] then Let the bashing begin , I know its coming.

[btcarfagno]

I do not see it as bashing. Yet anyway.

And certainly no one should bash you for the great amount of work that went into the guide and your generosity in sharing that wealth of knowledge with the larger collecting community. You should be thanked for that, and very much so.

If, however, new information comes to light that shows errors or updates are needed, then this is equally important. A guide can no longer be considered a true guide if it shown to contain errors or has become outdated due to additional research.

This is especially important if many tickets have been incorrectly slabbed by the alphabet soups based on outdated information which has now shown to be inaccurate. It is that much more important to let the hobby know so that they can be informed when purchasing a slabbed ticket as to whether or not the slabbing company used outdated information and their flip may be incorrect. Unfortunately that genie left the bottle a long time ago and the slabs are pretty much forever. So if they are incorrect people need to know what to look for in an inaccurate flip.

I don't know much about ticket collecting, so all of my above statements are just based on collecting in general. If I am off base in what I have read in this thread then please forgive me.

[megalimey]

I do not see it as bashing. Yet anyway.

And certainly no one should bash you for the great amount of work that went into the guide and your generosity in sharing that wealth of knowledge with the larger collecting community. You should be thanked for that, and very much so.

If, however, new information comes to light that shows errors or updates are needed, then this is equally important. A guide can no longer be considered a true guide if it shown to contain errors or has become outdated due to additional research.

This is especially important if many tickets have been incorrectly slabbed by the alphabet soups based on outdated information which has now shown to be inaccurate. It is that much more important to let the hobby know so that they can be informed when purchasing a slabbed ticket as to whether or not the slabbing company used outdated information and their flip may be incorrect. Unfortunately that genie left the bottle a long time ago and the slabs are pretty much forever. So if they are incorrect people need to know what to look for in an inaccurate flip.

I don't know much about ticket collecting, so all of my above statements are just based on collecting in general. If I am off base in what I have read in this thread then please forgive me.
WEB SITE HAS BEEN REVISED with some minor corrections over the years
and FYI PSA will correct any submission wrongly labeled at no charge
and I will provide the details to any one that has one to be fixed, also at no charge
my intentions were to prevent the barrage of mis identified tickets for mile stone games hitting the market , at this time the Keyman website is 100% accurate with the Year Dating codes from 1923-1968 , and until proven with 100% verifiable proof that its wrong , .

[Shoeless Moe]

Tom, you are 100% dead on. There is no bashing here or intended. It's all about getting it right. The bashing however will come if its not updated and corrected.


This one says 1927

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-collectibles/tickets/1927-new-york-yankees-vs-detroit-tigers-ticket-stub/a/410044-44099.s

but its a 1924, correct David? or incorrect?

[Shoeless Moe]

WEB SITE HAS BEEN REVISED with some minor corrections over the years
and FYI PSA will correct any submission wrongly labeled at no charge
and I will provide the details to any one that has one to be fixed, also at no charge
my intentions were to prevent the barrage of mis identified tickets for mile stone games hitting the market , at this time the Keyman website is 100% accurate with the Year Dating codes from 1923-1968 , and until proven with 100% verifiable proof that its wrong , .

ok so the link in my original post:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-LE...19.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-LEAGUE-BASEBALL-CLUB-of-NEW-YORK-RAIN-CHECK-TICKET-YANKEES-vs-INDIANS/222897413016?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

what year is that ticket from?

[megalimey]

Tom, you are 100% dead on. There is no bashing here or intended. It's all about getting it right. The bashing however will come if its not updated and corrected.


This one says 1927

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-collectibles/tickets/1927-new-york-yankees-vs-detroit-tigers-ticket-stub/a/410044-44099.s

but its a 1924, correct David? or incorrect?

actually ticket shown is 100% 1923 was slabbed WRONGLY in 2010 pre keyman dating guide 2014

[Shoeless Moe]

actually ticket shown is 100% 1923 was slabbed WRONGLY in 2010 pre keyman dating guide 2014

I'm sorry yes I meant to say 1923, but my point is its slabbed as a 1927, which is incorrect.And there are several out there like this slabbed incorrect.

what about the other one, my original post, what year is that one?

[megalimey]

ok so the link in my original post:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-LE...19.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-LEAGUE-BASEBALL-CLUB-of-NEW-YORK-RAIN-CHECK-TICKET-YANKEES-vs-INDIANS/222897413016?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

what year is that ticket from?

it has a Letter D which corresponds with 1936 date code
hundreds of tickets have wrong hand written dates teams or events
that should never be taken on face value

if that were the case I can sell you some original Babe Ruth signatures
that some ones grand pappy said he got personally and even wrote the date he got them , but NO COA go figure

[megalimey]

I'm sorry yes I meant to say 1923, but my point is its slabbed as a 1927, which is incorrect.And there are several out there like this slabbed incorrect.

what about the other one, my original post, what year is that one?

see we all make mistakes you meant 1923 that are not intentional and meant to deceive

my intentions have always been honorable with no harm or malice or hidden agenda , we researched the data for several years , inspecting 1000's of ticket images and cross referencing them over and over again until we were certain as we could be before presenting it to PSA and SMR who acknowledge that it was the best , most well documented and most accurate information available on Undated Yankee tickets , SMR published it in July 2013 , and PSA posted on the nationally known PSA website, Now every single big auction refers to it , when it come to Undated Yankees Tickets
obviously some folks still want to hang me up like I am some scam artist
out to make a buck , thats the farthest thing from the truth , yes you have pointed out some errors
but this is the best and only actual factual information you have out there.
and Provides a key service to the 99.9% of people who accept it as a fair and accurate guide
and they will take it over absolutely nothing that was available before

[Shoeless Moe]

it has a Letter D which corresponds with 1936 date code
hundreds of tickets have wrong hand written dates teams or events
that should never be taken on face value

if that were the case I can sell you some original Babe Ruth signatures
that some ones grand pappy said he got personally and even wrote the date he got them , but NO COA go figure

so bidding over $200 on a ticket from a "1936" rain out game? (edited to say not a rainout, I'm typing so fast, now I'm making errors, ok I'll slow it down)

a select few in the know, know its a 1937 game.

[Shoeless Moe]

and isn't this one a 1967:

http://dec13.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?lotno=239



with someone putting a false date stamped on it?

[megalimey]

so bidding over $200 on a ticket from a "1936" rain out game?

a select few in the know, know its a 1937 game.

Home Game 14 in 1936 was not rained out and played 5-6-1936
see the Yankees Home schedule image came from original 1936 Scorecard
which clearly shows Home Game 14 as being played5-6-1936 it was not rained out
http://keymancollectibles.com/tickets/1936yankeeshomeschedule.htm

[Shoeless Moe]

So how is this a 1936? clearly its a 1933 right? according to your guide it is a 1933.

[megalimey]

and isn't this one a 1967:

http://dec13.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?lotno=239



with someone putting a false date stamped on it?
IT HAS no hologram and was Slabbed 2011 or earlier pre Keyman GUIDE
for all you naysays trust me there are literally a handful of you ,
keep up the good work trolling for PSA errors ,

I will give you $100 for each wrong one in turn you have to give me a $1 for every right one
we then can see who come's out ahead, and yes I know you will still love to Hate thats life

[Shoeless Moe]

IT HAS no hologram and was Slabbed 2011 or earlier pre Keyman GUIDE
for all you naysays trust me there are literally a handful of you ,
keep up the good work trolling for PSA errors ,

I will give you $100 for each wrong one in turn you have to give me a $1 for every right one
we then can see who come's out ahead, and yes I know you will still love to Hate thats life

Ok, you came up with the guide (many props for that), but it has many inconsistencies. Problem in some peoples eyes could be you also work for PSA, you slabbed these, many incorrectly, and got some big profits.

Not sure anyone is turning in a Joe D debut ticket worth 1000's slabbed incorrectly to get it correctly slabbed as some perhaps meaningless regular season game.

[megalimey]

So how is this a 1936? clearly its a 1933 right? according to your guide it is a 1933.

you actually found the ticket that started my quest
to rid the internet of bogus Yankee tickets

it is in fact a 1933 100000000000000000%
this ticket has never resurfaced since it was shown back in 2011
as you can see it has no hologram so its well before Keyman Guide era
the person who authenticated back then for PSA is no longer with the Company
keep them coming

[Shoeless Moe]

look I don't know when you worked there, when you didn't who slabbed which ones.

All I know is the guide while helpful has some inconsistencies even now as it sits out there.

Would be nice if you fixed those, if not, nothing I can do about it.

And I just wanted to warn all those out these collecting undated Yankees tickets be very wary, before you go by the slab.

Good day!

[megalimey]

Ok, you came up with the guide (many props for that), but it has many inconsistencies. Problem in some peoples eyes could be you also work for PSA, you slabbed these, many incorrectly, and got some big profits.

Not sure anyone is turning in a Joe D debut ticket worth 1000's slabbed incorrectly to get it correctly slabbed as some perhaps meaningless regular season game.


wow Paul that is a slanderous especially posting with unfounded false accusations and Insinuations with that comment now we have a huge problem all's fair when it comes to pointing some errors but dude you have way crossed the line !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
accusing me of trying to deliberately mis inform people and to do this for gain this is is now Personal just like I New it was
I would like you to retract that statement

[Leon]

wow Paul that is a slanderous especially posting with unfounded false accusations and Insinuations with that comment now we have a huge problem all's fair when it comes to pointing some errors but dude you have way crossed the line !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
accusing me of trying to deliberately mis inform people and to do this for gain this is is now Personal just like I New it was
I would like you to retract that statement

Got your PM but looks like it is being adequately discussed already. Just curious, how did Paul cross the line? Can't anyone state their opinion? I see nothing actionable. :)

[Shoeless Moe]

Never said:

"you deliberately misinformed people for gain"

interesting that you chose those words. Go back and re-read mine.

I said you as in you as in PSA, since you are PSA right? So you or PSA however you want to put it slabbed many of these incorrectly. I never said it was intentional or not. Guessing it was just done incorrectly because it was botched. It was however done, that is a fact.

And big money were made from these errors. That also is a fact.

[mcgwirecom]

I've been collecting tickets for many years. I was never comfortable with an undated ticket. So I do not consider them for my collection. I realize this makes it way harder to find some tickets but I feel it is better to be certain. Also if I want to sell a ticket it sounds really shady trying to explain to someone how to date it with a certain code.

I know David, I know he is a good guy and trying to do something so everyone will benefit. But I'm afraid there may always be some discrepancy along the way. To try and nail something down 100% may not be possible. Even in more recent times I have seen teams use different ticket stock when they ran out of one type. But of course they were still dated.

[megalimey]

Got your PM but looks like it is being adequately discussed already. Just curious, how did Paul cross the line? Can't anyone state their opinion? I see nothing actionable. :)

this comment he wrote

"Problem in some peoples eyes could be you also work for PSA, you slabbed these, many incorrectly, and got some big profits."

I do not work for PSA and I never Have
and stating slabbing incorrectly and got big profits another unfounded and false accusation.

surely that is not allowed

[Shoeless Moe]

Oh if you don't work for them my error, but I recall from one of your posts in this thread you stating you were a consultant for them:


http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=223277&page=2

[Leon]

this comment he wrote

"Problem in some peoples eyes could be you also work for PSA, you slabbed these, many incorrectly, and got some big profits."

I do not work for PSA and I never Have
and stating slabbing incorrectly and got big profits another unfounded and false accusation.

surely that is not allowed

I don't see why that wouldn't be allowed? He has his full name out here so can pretty much say anything he wants to. He is just giving an opinion? If you never worked for PSA just say it. If what he said isn't true just say it. If you think he is legally out of bounds then pursue it.
I remember when people said some crazy things about me when my collection was being sold. So what? I read somewhere that I knew about the Peck and Snyder being stolen blah blah blah. None of it is true so I didn't worry about it. To be clear though, everyone is accountable for what they say on this board. And they can be held liable in court.

[megalimey]

I've been collecting tickets for many years. I was never comfortable with an undated ticket. So I do not consider them for my collection. I realize this makes it way harder to find some tickets but I feel it is better to be certain. Also if I want to sell a ticket it sounds really shady trying to explain to someone how to date it with a certain code.

I know David, I know he is a good guy and trying to do something so everyone will benefit. But I'm afraid there may always be some discrepancy along the way. To try and nail something down 100% may not be possible. Even in more recent times I have seen teams use different ticket stock when they ran out of one type. But of course they were still dated.

Thanks Randell

all I ever intended to do by spending 1000's of man hours to come up with the most comprehensive guide to Undated Yankees tickets
was to make people aware of what game their ticket could be from
PSA slabbed some tickets incorrectly Pre Keyman era
but have since been doing a fantastic Job. with Hologramm slabbed errors being virtually non existent , I also stated any one owing a I wrongly dated slabbed ticket PSA would fix it at no charge
I have never worked for PSA have been an "UNPAID" part time CONSULTANT for Undated Yankees tickets only
never received a dime or any special privileges

[Shoeless Moe]

and David can you explain this one that just ended on Ebay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/8-6-1939-Yankees-vs-Indians-Doubleheader-Program-Ticket-DiMaggio-Feller-Gordon-/372226739750?hash=item56aa714e26%3Ag%3Ai-UAAOSwnkdaijrT&nma=true&si=wRQWj7RnS7SSLT3WSYblnZuM4zw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

If I were to go by your current guide, that's a 1937 ticket with a 1939 program.

Amazingly, game 50 was against the Indians in 1939, just like the program. Both items are 1939.

[megalimey]

Oh if you don't work for them my error, but I recall from one of your posts in this thread you stating you were a consultant for them:


http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=223277&page=2

I have never worked for PSA I have been an "UNPAID" part time CONSULTANT for Undated Yankees tickets only since 2013
never received a dime or any received any special privileges

accusing me of unfounded stuff was out of totally out of line

and not called for .

[Shoeless Moe]

David, answer the ebay Game # 50 question please.


and ok sorry I incorrectly stated you worked for PSA....again from that one thread when you said you were a PSA consultant on Yankees tickets, that in my head thought you worked for them.

[Dewey2007]

After seeing this thread last night, I found what looked like a simple oversight on the 1936 Dating Guide link and emailed David directly about it. He agreed, thanked me and said that it would be updated.

I have had nothing but positive interactions with David so I suggest that if anyone finds inconsistencies with any of the info on Yankee Ticketing Dating guide to email David directly so he can check it out and make the updates if necessary.

David and whomever else helped him did the hobby a big favor by researching all of this undated Yankee ticket info. They're human so I'm sure it's not 100% and that's where we all come in. If we find errors, oversights, etc. we can help in getting this information corrected so everyone benefits.

[Shoeless Moe]

I remember that day in 1936!!!!! when Lou gave his famous speech


https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/July_4__1939_Lou_Gehrig_Day__Speech__Game_Ticket-LOT22862.aspx

[megalimey]

and David can you explain this one that just ended on Ebay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/8-6-1939-Yankees-vs-Indians-Doubleheader-Program-Ticket-DiMaggio-Feller-Gordon-/372226739750?hash=item56aa714e26%3Ag%3Ai-UAAOSwnkdaijrT&nma=true&si=wRQWj7RnS7SSLT3WSYblnZuM4zw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

If I were to go by your current guide, that's a 1937 ticket with a 1939 program.

Amazingly, game 50 was against the Indians in 1939, just like the program. Both items are 1939.

amazing they kept together for almost eighty years in such great shape no staple marks , no tape, marks no writing , no discoloration on score card from being inside the program , no tell tell signs of indentations of the ticket shape ever being with or resting on the program in any way shape or form were they placed neatly side by side in a drawer undisturbed for 80 years rather than together , paper leaves marks it must have been magic or truth is that they never originally began life together , those two only met when they were listed on ebay

[megalimey]

After seeing this thread last night, I found what looked like a simple oversight on the 1936 Dating Guide link and emailed David directly about it. He agreed, thanked me and said that it would be updated.

I have had nothing but positive interactions with David so I suggest that if anyone finds inconsistencies with any of the info on Yankee Ticketing Dating guide to email David directly so he can check it out and make the updates if necessary.

David and whomever else helped him did the hobby a big favor by researching all of this undated Yankee ticket info. They're human so I'm sure it's not 100% and that's where we all come in. If we find errors, oversights, etc. we can help in getting this information corrected so everyone benefits.

thanks for pointing out that error your common sense and courtesy
is greatly appreciated.
As we both know my intentions have always been honorable, honest and
not motivated my Gain.

[Shoeless Moe]

amazing they kept together for almost eighty years in such great shape no staple marks , no tape, marks no writing , no discoloration on score card from being inside the program , no tell tell signs of indentations of the ticket shape ever being with or resting on the program in any way shape or form were they placed neatly side by side in a drawer undisturbed for 80 years rather than together , paper leaves marks it must have been magic or truth is that they never originally began life together , those two only met when they were listed on ebay

Ha! that's hilarious!!!!! Great answer!!!!! You're completely wrong, but I will give you credit with that answer. The Magic ticket theory. You should have been on the Warren Commission.

Again to those playing at home, those are both 1939 items, guide is incorrect.

[megalimey]

Ha! that's hilarious!!!!! Great answer!!!!! You're completely wrong, but I will give you credit with that answer. The Magic ticket theory. You should have been on the Warren Commission.

Again to those playing at home, those are both 1939 items, guide is incorrect.

says a man with out an ounce of Documented proof or any call to fame
as to his knowledge of Undated Yankee tickets , "google" him and undated Yankee tickets all you get is Crickets !!!! google undated Yankees tickets I come up 2nd out of 360,000 results ,
so folks send in your tickets to Shoeless Moe with his new monthly special $1.50 per ticket he can verify your ticket 100% accurately but not guaranteed
put it in a nice shiny new 20 cent card saver and have a nice hand written paper label , it should reap major benefits verses PSA and so much cheaper
so go ahead take his word I am sure you can quote him when your selling your undated Yankee ticket on ebay or on a BIG auction House it should open the floodgates of extra bidding
"or not"

your turn
I am retired I have all time in the world

[batsballsbases]

Paul ,
Not to throw any gas on any fires I finally remembered the other board member that had done alot of work on the undated tickets.. It was 3 years ago . He doesnt post up much anymore but goes by Physedteacher25 His name is Pat Geroni. Maybe he can shed some more light on this topic. Just a thought....

[Shoeless Moe]

Bottom line is many tickets as I've shown were slabbed incorrectly due to your initial research. You were told of your errors, didn't believe them either at the time, gave your standard " "handwriting on back of ticket incorrect" or "ticket stapled to incorrect program" until they proved you wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt so you had to fix. You fixed 1923-1928 and then the guide came out. The problem is after 1928 is still incorrect.

So for as much good as you did, you did a lot of harm, thus many are slabbed incorrectly, and will continue to be until you fix it, if you even can at this point. So Google yourself all you want....

.....and use all that free time to fix it.

"Here endeth the lesson" - Sean Connery

[megalimey]

Bottom line is many tickets as I've shown were slabbed incorrectly due to your initial research. You were told of your errors, didn't believe them either at the time, gave your standard " "handwriting on back of ticket incorrect" or "ticket stapled to incorrect program" until they proved you wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt so you had to fix. You fixed 1923-1928 and then the guide came out. The problem is after 1928 is still incorrect.

So for as much good as you did, you did a lot of harm, thus many are slabbed incorrectly, and will continue to be until you fix it, if you even can at this point. So Google yourself all you want....

.....and use all that free time to fix it.

"Here endeth the lesson" - Sean Connery

all those you showed were slabbed prior to Keyman
but you constantly choose to ignore that fact
do every one a favor create and publish your own website with a rebuttal nationally for millions to see
and stop trying influencing a handful of PSA Haters

[Shoeless Moe]

all those you showed were slabbed prior to Keyman
but you constantly choose to ignore that fact
do every one a favor create and publish your own website with a rebuttal nationally for millions to see
and stop trying influencing a handful of PSA Haters

um.....pretty sure I posted this one:


https://goldinauctions.com/1923_New_York_Yankees_April_21_Ticket_Stub___The_4-LOT23876.aspx

Sold on Aug 14, 2016 at Goldin for $900 as the 4th game ever played at Yankee Stadium. Has your little hologram on it too!

Unfortunately whoever paid $900 for the 4th game ever played at Yankee Stadium got a 4/26/24 ticket (A super valuable Waite Hoyt win ticket worth about $50.)

[batsballsbases]

Hi David,
I wanted to ask a question this has nothing to do with what people think is right or wrong, I posed this question to Pat 3 years ago maybe now that its been awhile you can answer it. I have these tickets and have had them for many years. A long story but my father was connected with food vending at yankee stadium and we were there often . I went to mickey mantle day as my father had business there myself and my brother were allowed all over the stadium.. I was running around in the bleachers and started to pick up ticket stubs as an 11 year old would. I have my ticket and program for mantle day but as we know these bleacher tickets arenot dated... Looking at the keyman list it says that F tickets are possibly from mantle day. I can tell you for a fact I picked these up that day. Im 60 now but remember it like yesterday. Look at the tickets and you tell me am I correct? Are they from mantle day? Thanks in advance here is my ticket from that day also....

[megalimey]

Hi David,
I wanted to ask a question this has nothing to do with what people think is right or wrong, I posed this question to Pat 3 years ago maybe now that its been awhile you can answer it. I have these tickets and have had them for many years. A long story but my father was connected with food vending at yankee stadium and we were there often . I went to mickey mantle day as my father had business there myself and my brother were allowed all over the stadium.. I was running around in the bleachers and started to pick up ticket stubs as an 11 year old would. I have my ticket and program for mantle day but as we know these bleacher tickets arenot dated... Looking at the keyman list it says that F tickets are possibly from mantle day. I can tell you for a fact I picked these up that day. Im 60 now but remember it like yesterday. Look at the tickets and you tell me am I correct? Are they from mantle day? Thanks in advance here is my ticket from that day also....

this was the highest attended Game for over 6 years with capped max attendance of 60,000 in Yankee Stadium at that time , however there were
60,096 actual paid patrons , these tickets would have been the over flow as they would have run out of the Bleacher and Grandstand section tickets
most likley standing room or squeezed into the bleachers which just long benches , The Letter A and the pricing tells me all I need to know confirming what you already know these are Mickey Mantle Day
I will now be able to Clarify the finding , thanks for sharing these images
and can you remember it being standing room only especially being a single admission double header and being bunched in like sardines

[bigfanNY]

In the original post you claim the ticket shown is from 1937 because of the scrap of paper attached to it. How do you know without having the entire page that the words even reference that stub. Could have been another stub below the words from a Yanks Indians game.
The stubs from the auctions the guide agrees your conclusion on date. Clearly a PSA problem not a guide problem.
The Ebay program and stub certainly look great paired together but clear evidence says they are not from same game.
No one likes the looks of a program with the stubs scotch taped to the inside but for the most part they offer the best evidence of stubs matching programs.
There was a guy who worked for PSA as their "Number one Ticket Expert" who still does business on Ebay as Buckner who has sold me undated tickets that were not as described as recently as this past year. So I know PSA made mistakes in the past.
But in my opinion none of your arguments against the guide hold water.
Jonathan Sterling

[megalimey]

In the original post you claim the ticket shown is from 1937 because of the scrap of paper attached to it. How do you know without having the entire page that the words even reference that stub. Could have been another stub below the words from a Yanks Indians game.
The stubs from the auctions the guide agrees your conclusion on date. Clearly a PSA problem not a guide problem.
The Ebay program and stub certainly look great paired together but clear evidence says they are not from same game.
No one likes the looks of a program with the stubs scotch taped to the inside but for the most part they offer the best evidence of stubs matching programs.
There was a guy who worked for PSA as their "Number one Ticket Expert" who still does business on Ebay as Buckner who has sold me undated tickets that were not as described as recently as this past year. So I know PSA made mistakes in the past.
But in my opinion none of your arguments against the guide hold water.
Jonathan Sterling

excellent Summation , I believe the Guide is the most informative thing to come up relating to Undated Yankees tickets ever , and any future Yankee ticket buyers should feel 100% confident that the General Consensus is this is the Guide to go by, 1000's agree including PSA, SGC, Baseball Hall Of Fame SMR Guide and All Big auctions Houses when submitting tickets , verses the handful sorry thats an underestimate its more like a dozen people that do not accept its correct ,

[batsballsbases]

this was the highest attended Game for over 6 years with capped max attendance of 60,000 in Yankee Stadium at that time , however there were
60,096 actual paid patrons , these tickets would have been the over flow as they would have run out of the Bleacher and Grandstand section tickets
most likley standing room or squeezed into the bleachers which just long benches , The Letter A and the pricing tells me all I need to know confirming what you already know these are Mickey Mantle Day
I will now be able to Clarify the finding , thanks for sharing these images
and can you remember it being standing room only especially being a single admission double header and being bunched in like sardines

David,
I do remember it was packed! We stayed way longer after the games were over as my father had business there. That is why I guess we were able to pick up so many stubs and in those days everyone just threw them on the ground.. Al

[Sophiedog]

Why would anyone who is providing his research to help collectors be responsible for PSA slabbing the tickets wrong? PSA should be doing their own research.

[batsballsbases]

this was the highest attended Game for over 6 years with capped max attendance of 60,000 in Yankee Stadium at that time , however there were
60,096 actual paid patrons , these tickets would have been the over flow as they would have run out of the Bleacher and Grandstand section tickets
most likley standing room or squeezed into the bleachers which just long benches , The Letter A and the pricing tells me all I need to know confirming what you already know these are Mickey Mantle Day
I will now be able to Clarify the finding , thanks for sharing these images
and can you remember it being standing room only especially being a single admission double header and being bunched in like sardines

David,
I also had these tickets which I also believe were from Mantle Day only picked up 2 of these guys. Just wondered if you have seen these type of tickets.

[Shoeless Moe]

I know the guide is botched, David knows it (but can't/won't) admit it, and Jonathan I'd guess you might be the owner of some of these tickets that if they were identified correctly would sink like a stone in value so you don't want to believe it.

Here's a few more, but I guess people who attended the games wrote the wrong date they attended off by a few years, yah that always happens when I write the date on something.

Here's a "1948" with a 1949 date written on it and a "1940" with a 1942 date on it.

Examples pop up all the time on Ebay and David will say oh that program doesn't go with that ticket even if its stapled or taped inside of it, or writing is on it, he's will never admit there could be (translated: there is) a flaw in his system. The only years that are correct again are 1923-1928, after that good luck. I'm done, believe what you want.

[bigfanNY]

Shoeless Again you are incorrect I do not own any undated Yankee Tickets right now. I have never sent an undated Yankee ticket to PSA. I have no horse in this race. You are simply wrong.
As for your most recent "evidence" that the guide is botched in 1948 Topping took over and that first year Tickets started again with A. Makes perfect sense to me. Can you please post what you think 1948 yankee grandstand tickets look like.

[Shoeless Moe]

Jonathan, for someone who doesn't have a horse in the race you seem to have a very strong opinion I am incorrect.

Are you friends with David or Gironi or someone else who's not speaking up, just curious? Seems very odd you are so sure I'm wrong yet don't collect Yankees undated tickets. Obviously someones pulling your strings or I insulted one of your buddies.

And again I'm done on this matter so this may be my last reply on it. Otherwise we all could go back and forth forever on it.

And I still never got a reply on the Hologram one that was recently at Goldin, you care to comment?

[bigfanNY]

Shoeless Again you are incorrect I although I respect and appreciate the work that went into the guide they provided. I have no relationship with them other than a couple pleasant interactions here on the board. Before you posted it I didn't even know their first names. My only reason for posting to this thread is that as a Memorabilia collector I have found the ingormation on the Keyman site both helpful and correct.
I have accumulated s number of scrapbooks and scorecards over the years. And many contained undated stubs some I could date and those I could matched up to the guide (Years 1933 thru 1941) I said that currently I do not have any undated stubs but I have owned many over the years.
As for you saying this is your last post for the second time ... time will tell.
Your last point was addressed in at least two posts that I read but allow me to paraphrase. Every body knows that PSA from time to time has incorrect information on their flips. But to their credit they own up to it and fix it when it is bought to their attention. If the person who purchased the stub goes to the Keyman site they will find the stub was misidentified. Thanks to the work of others that the generously share with anyone.

[megalimey]

RE Yankees Ticket Dating Guide BOTCHED HIDDEN AGENDA revealed “INTERESTING”
RE Yankees Ticket Dating Guide BOTCHED HIDDEN AGENDA revealed “INTERESTING”
HI Folks and true Yankee ticket collectors
I now discovered why “shoeless moe” has been bashing Keyman Yankee ticket Guide site
Its obvious he has bought a number of bogus dated tickets in the past he is now stuck with them,
So by bashing Keyman for the last week or so its now clear its all been a set up , and now he is putting up bogus dated tickets on ebay ,which shows his true agenda .
Try to discredit a nationally excepted website for indentifying undated Yankess tickets
So he can justify dumping off his own painfully obvious wrong dated tickets
I am sure there are more to come , all will be written on for sure !!! with more bogus dates
he has on On ebay right now
a wrongly dated ticket that is written on, so much information its totally over kill who writes that much stuff on a back of ticket?? , he is trying to dump it off on some one and he adds, that he is right, and all the other tickets dates on Keyman he does state SOME RIGHT, SOME WRONG ,
so he his hedging his bets , pretty lame
see complete listing
https://www.ebay.com/itm/18315312184...p2471758.m4704
notice “”seller does not accept returns” WONDERFUL SHOW OF INTEGRITY ,so much for standing behind his product , he knows if sent in for slabbing its being rejected by both PSA and SGC as the date he claims
funny he has another undated Yankees ticket that he makes no mention of keyman website
which actually is a legit 1955 ticket another tell tell sign of his true agenda
well here it is, if you’re so sure your right provide us with your version of the Yankees Undated ticket dating guide years through 1928-1968 , in others words “PROVE IT FOR THE REST OF US TO SEE”
show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets

[Shoeless Moe]

everybody knows ANYTHING can be returned on Ebay, the "no returns" just discourages idiots (MegaSlimey falls in this category) who just changed their mind because they realize their an idiot.

No agenda. Guide is botched. I have proven that.

I have one ticket with CORRECT writing on it. Just listed it because I sell tickets, amongst other things, and I wanted to get the word out that the Guide has flaws, nothing shady at all, I call it like I see it.

I don't work for PSA, have them graded incorrectly, and sell them that would be someone else we know. Who could that be? I'm just not sure.


If I happen to sell another Ticket with writing on it from the botched guide I will give the person who catches it $1000 dollars. Megaslimeballs brainstorm is just that, the ramblings of an idiot. I do not have any other ones. Wish I did actually, then I'd list as even more proof its wrong.

Ticket was just listed to get the word out to not go by the guide 100%.

People need to know. Your welcome.

[megalimey]

everybody knows ANYTHING can be returned on Ebay, the "no returns" just discourages idiots (MegaSlimey falls in this category) who just changed their mind because they realize their an idiot.

No agenda. Guide is botched. I have proven that.

I have one ticket with CORRECT writing on it. Just listed it because I sell tickets, amongst other things, I don't work for PSA, have them graded incorrectly, and sell them that would be someone else we know. Who could that be? I'm just not sure.


If I happen to sell another Ticket with writing on it from the botched guide I will give the person who catches it $1000 dollars. Megaslimeballs brainstorm is just that, the ramblings of an idiot. I do not have any other ones. Wish I did actually, then I'd list as even more proof its wrong.

Ticket was just listed to get the word out to not go by the guide 100%.

People need to know. Your welcome.

show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets 1928-1968


show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets 1928-1968


show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets 1928-1968


show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets 1928-1968


show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets 1928-1968

[megalimey]

show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets 1928-1968

show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets 1928-1968

show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets 1928-1968

show us your GUIDE !!!!! don’t be shy reveal your facts to undated Yankees tickets 1928-1968

[thecatspajamas]

There are other examples of PSA botching Tickets due to this guide. I can list if anyone would like to see. Thus many Yankees ticket graded by PSA are just completely wrong. You may have one in your possession.

Rather than just listing examples that you feel are wrong, could you also post the information that leads you to that conclusion? If you don't want to "write a guide," you can certainly limit the analysis to the examples you have pointed out. I just think that the casual collector would benefit more from hearing the "here's why" than from deciding which feuding individual to have more faith in. As fun as these feuds are to watch, I enjoy learning about an unexplored (for me) corner of the hobby much more.

[megalimey]

Rather than just listing examples that you feel are wrong, could you also post the information that leads you to that conclusion? If you don't want to "write a guide," you can certainly limit the analysis to the examples you have pointed out. I just think that the casual collector would benefit more from hearing the "here's why" than from deciding which feuding individual to have more faith in. As fun as these feuds are to watch, I enjoy learning about an unexplored (for me) corner of the hobby much more.

has no guide because he is just cannot provide and will constantly avoid the subject
I have asked the same questions dozens of times, nothing yet
but he refuses to look under his bed for the answers , less he disturbs his stinky bed pan , resting next to his false teeth, "toothless sMOE" as he his called at the old folks home Joe sMOE has no answers
yes the Keyman Guide has had some corrections in the past ,but it is accurate now , it helps significantly helps the collector more than it hurts , Recognized By PSA SGC SMR and soon to be the Hall Of Fame
Joe sMoe is recognized by his team mates at weekly old peoples shuffle board Tourney

Joe sMoe provides nothing with out showing his dating guide 1928-1968
he even hedges bet by saying keyman has some write some wrong way to go out on a limb, try to help the novice collector , as to why the Yankees added unique identifier each year , the letters are not random , plus there are many other unique details , that help clarify the year

[megalimey]

i am going on the record in writing for all members to see
ANY one has a wrongly slabbed PSA Yankee ticket I will pay to get it fixed including those pre Keyman no holograms
and this is what I will do on the one with Hologram
PSA has the wrong date on label it was the Goldin 2016 auction ticket if you know who owns it have them contact me all I will need is current photo Proof they own it now , and a copy of the Goldin 2016 Auction invoice proof of payment . On this one I will go one step further I will 100% reimburse you what you paid which I will remit to the owner when sent to me for correction .
this transaction will be done openly for all to see full transparency

we created the Yankee Ticket guide so that the novice and avid collector had some reference point
and it is the most accurate GUIDE to Yankees tickets out there
still waiting for Joe sMOE's to get published , but don't hold your breath
I hate to see that many people die doing it

[thecatspajamas]

has no guide because he is just cannot provide and will constantly avoid the subject
I have asked the same questions dozens of times, nothing yet
but he refuses to look under his bed for the answers , less he disturbs his stinky bed pan , resting next to his false teeth, "toothless sMOE" as he his called at the old folks home Joe sMOE has no answers
yes the Keyman Guide has had some corrections in the past ,but it is accurate now , it helps significantly more than it hurts , Recognized By PSA SGC SMR and soon to be the Hall Of Fame
Joe sMoe is recognized by his team mates at weekly old peoples shuffle board Tourney

Joe sMoe provides nothing with out showing his dating guide 1928-1968
he even hedges bet by saying keyman has some write some wrong way to go out on a limb, try to help the novice collector , as to why the Yankees added unique identifier each year , the letters are not random , plus there are many other unique details , that help clarify the year

David, you have stated all of this previously. My request was directed to Paul, and was not a commentary on the Keyman guide or what may or may not be right or wrong in it. He may choose to respond or ignore of his own accord, but please do not quote me in yet another tirade of name-calling.

I am not particularly interested in which individuals or organizations back which side of this feud, and am certainly not interested in the name-calling and motive speculation. Frankly, I think you have both been asses in your responses to each other, regardless of who provoked what response. Without knowing anything about ticket dating myself, I suspect both sides may have some errors in their assumptions, but it seems neither can get out of their own way enough to root out the mistakes.

[megalimey]

David, you have stated all of this previously. My request was directed to Paul, and was not a commentary on the Keyman guide or what may or may not be right or wrong in it. He may choose to respond or ignore of his own accord, but please do not quote me in yet another tirade of name-calling.

I am not particularly interested in which individuals or organizations back which side of this feud, and am certainly not interested in the name-calling and motive speculation. Frankly, I think you have both been asses in your responses to each other, regardless of who provoked what response. Without knowing anything about ticket dating myself, I suspect both sides may have some errors in their assumptions, but it seems neither can get out of their own way enough to root out the mistakes.

my apologies

your question was well versed , I should not have used it as Avenue for rebuke for other patry

[Shoeless Moe]

my apologies

your question was well versed , I should not have used it as Avenue for rebuke for other patry

What the hell is a patry?

[megalimey]

What the hell is a patry?
me bad it should have been other " paltry"

[Shoeless Moe]

no that ain't it....maybe poultry?

[megalimey]

no that ain't it....maybe poultry?

your 100% right it is poultry , like to "chicken" to show your guide of what Yankees Years should be,:D you walked right into that .

[Shoeless Moe]

Speaking of chickens, "my guide" has 2 variations of the 1923 ticket, surely an "expert" such as yourself can stand up and tell the class what those 2 variations were.

Go.....

[megalimey]

Speaking of chickens, "my guide" has 2 variations of the 1923 ticket, surely an "expert" such as yourself can stand up and tell the class what those 2 variations were.

Go.....
my guide is posted for all to see , yours is under your bed
post it ........................................prove it
we have all our known tickets years on line for the world to see

cannot believe all this started over the fact you could not bid on my Munson Last Game ticket ,
boy do you bear a grudge

[Shoeless Moe]

don't even know what you are babbling about now, lets stick to the subject, or didn't you do your homework (once again). Please tell what the 2 variations were with the 1923 Yankees Tickets. Simple question, give a simple answer.

After all you have a guide that EVERYONE uses, did you leave something out? uh oh, mistake.

[megalimey]

don't even know what you are babbling about now, lets stick to the subject, or didn't you do your homework (once again). Please tell what the 2 variations were with the 1923 Yankees Tickets. Simple question, give a simple answer.

After all you have a guide that EVERYONE uses, did you leave something out? uh oh, mistake.

what we have is what we have
you obviously have the missing link your my hero or should I say zero

[David Atkatz]

...can you remember it being standing room only especially being a single admission double header and being bunched in like sardinesI was there on an SRO ticket.

[megalimey]

I was there on an SRO ticket.


cool , did you ever keep the ticket ?? would love an image front and back

[David Atkatz]

Sorry. I lost that stub long ago.

[batsballsbases]

cool , did you ever keep the ticket ?? would love an image front and back

David,
In post 49 I posted 2 tickets SRO that I believe were from that game. I was there also Like David and I believe I picked these up also that day. Check them out and tell me what you think.... Hey David A. maybe one of these was yours!;)

[Shoeless Moe]

https://www.cleansweepauctions.com/item-602460/

[megalimey]

https://www.cleansweepauctions.com/item-602460/

as you can clearly see the CLEAN SWEEPS AUCTION TICKET Game 1 has a letter G it has no yankees logo impossible for a 1947 ticket all tickets 1946 and beyond have logos with out exception until the 1980's

see pictures enclosed of a Same Game I letter G actually 1939
however notice the signature it has Barrow it also has No Yankee top hat logo
see Barrow Letter H game ! see tickets with logo
if G is 1947 what the heck would H be what did they reinstate Barrow
barrow ceased to be Team President In 1945
The estate sold the team to a group of Larry MacPhail, Dan Topping, and Del Webb in 1945,
McPhail took over in 1946
see link to the Logo History
https://www.toddradom.com/blog/the-yankees-top-hat-emblem-and-the-three-logos-of-1946
when He introduced the Yankees Iconic logo Top hat on ALL YANKEES BASEBALL TICKETS FROM THAT POINT ON there was a slight change in 1947 from which point the bat did protrude thru ball
no tickets 1946 and on were produced with out that logo NONE ZERO nada it would be the 1980's when that changed
check every dated ticket and undated 1946 through 1980's all have The Yankees top hat logo with out exception also 1947 admission Price was $1.25 stadium was no longer used it was Grandstand
unless the yankees decided to revisit years gone by and make their 1947 opening day ticket not have a logo and just for shits and giggles put a Letter G under the game # totally out of sequence from the previous years wow and while were there lets lower the Prices from $1.25 to $1.10 imagine that
thats bush league thinking
thanks Joe sMoe great find on this clean sweep auction
the proof is in the pudding keep on believing those hand written dates


I guess in tennis they would call this Game SET and Match
mike drop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shoeless Moe]

https://goldinauctions.com/1923_New_York_Yankees_April_21_Ticket_Stub___The_4-LOT23876.aspx

[megalimey]

i am going on the record in writing for all members to see
ANY one has a wrongly slabbed PSA Yankee ticket I will pay to get it fixed including those pre Keyman no holograms
and this is what I will do on the one with Hologram
PSA has the wrong date on label it was the Goldin 2016 auction ticket if you know who owns it have them contact me all I will need is current photo Proof they own it now , and a copy of the Goldin 2016 Auction invoice proof of payment . On this one I will go one step further I will 100% reimburse you what you paid which I will remit to the owner when sent to me for correction .
this transaction will be done openly for all to see full transparency

we created the Yankee Ticket guide so that the novice and avid collector had some reference point
and it is the most accurate GUIDE to Yankees tickets out there
still waiting for Joe sMOE's to get published , but don't hold your breath
I hate to see that many people die doing it[/QUOTE]

[Shoeless Moe]

So you are going to pay, in full, the owner of the Goldin ticket because you yourself botched it. Were you also the consignor of it at Goldin or did you sell it on Ebay previously?

And your welcome for the bone I threw you last night, now pick up the mic zip up your pants. I have a few more questions.

1. What English teacher passed you? Any post of yours containing more then 20 words my brain gets exhausted and just gives up. How you wrote any guide is beyond me, are you sure someone else didn't write it for you and you take credit?

2. Yes, as I showed last night some with writing are incorrect, not all, but some, just like your guide, some of it correct, but not all. Also, you yourself are constantly selling tickets with writing on them in the BST and on Ebay, yet those with writing on it are correct, interesting. How are those with writing correct and everyone else's incorrect?

3. Still waiting on you to tell me the 2 variations of the 1923 Yankee Tickets, surely a Yankees Ticket expert who "wrote" a guide would know this.

4. This is a big one so really going to need an answer on this one, on your original guide did you Photoshop a letter "D" ticket from the 1929's that didn't even exist?

I have a few more, but if you could answer these that would be great.

[megalimey]

wheres your guide

[steve B]

So here's a question, an open one for anyone. But probably some basic thing I'm missing, not being all that into Yankees tickets, or for that matter most tickets (I'll pick them up if they're old and cheap, or newer and really cheap, but I don't actively look for them)

I get that writing can be wrong, or right. And that if someone is doing it years later they may not remember things all that well.

But for the Clean sweep one for example, whoever did the writing was maybe 8 years off which seems like a stretch.

Checking attendance and if there was some special event seems to show nothing special besides opening day.
So if it was done after the fact to mislead... Why try to change a 39 to 47 with writing? I'd think the prewar one would be worth more?

That to me is a bit of a puzzle.

[megalimey]

So here's a question, an open one for anyone. But probably some basic thing I'm missing, not being all that into Yankees tickets, or for that matter most tickets (I'll pick them up if they're old and cheap, or newer and really cheap, but I don't actively look for them)

I get that writing can be wrong, or right. And that if someone is doing it years later they may not remember things all that well.

But for the Clean sweep one for example, whoever did the writing was maybe 8 years off which seems like a stretch.

Checking attendance and if there was some special event seems to show nothing special besides opening day.
So if it was done after the fact to mislead... Why try to change a 39 to 47 with writing? I'd think the prewar one would be worth more?

That to me is a bit of a puzzle.
simple answer their wrong see the facts I stated
also in 1947 there were no such thing as a Stadium ticket it would have been grandstand , plus the admission price was $1.25 not $1.10

[bigfanNY]

The question as I understand it was " why would someone write the wrong date on a ticket ?"
The reasons are many but most happen when a date is added some time after the event. For this ticket they might have seen The Yankees open the season on April 15th and then go and write same date in their ticket not realizing that opening day is not the same date every year. Not every incorrect date is intentional programs like tickets sometimes have incorrect dates written on them so that is why they need to be evaluated on the facts printed on the ticket or stub or program.
Shoeless says he believes writing on tickets above what is printed on them ( he says that but he has a ticket on Ebay that says is from 1950 and is worth $50. But he knows the guide says it is a 1949 stub and is from the day Ruth's monument was dedicated. So instead of selling it for $50 he puts it up for auction where he knows "top ticket collectors" will recognize it and now bids are well above $50 ) for the most part the market gets these things right.

[Shoeless Moe]

Why would I put a "Buy It Now" on one Ticket and auction the rest? C'mon.

If I put a "Buy It Now" on any of them it would be the 1917 World Series deciding Game 6 Ticket (which is sitting at a steal at $510 on Ebay with only 3 days until the auction ends)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/183153071124?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

You arn't going to find that one for under $1200 at a major auction house as noted in my Ebay auction.


Last........

English Lesson for David (I love to help the mentally challenged, don't ever let it be said I do not):

"They're - There - Their" are pronounced the same,
but spelled differently according to usage:

"There" refers to a place.
Examples: There is a library in the first building. It is over there.
Hint: If you can use the word "here," you have it right!

"They're" is a contraction of "they are"
Example: They're not in this building.
Hint: "They" is a pronoun and "are" is the verb.
If you can substitute "We are" you have it right!

"Their" is the posessive pronoun.
Example: Their library is located on the next street.
Hint: If you can substitute "our" you have it right!

[Shoeless Moe]

saw this on Ebay tonight.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-New-York-NY-Yankees-Baseball-Ticket-Stubs-1943-Consecutive-Numbers-WW2/324453080646?hash=item4b8ae91e46:g:li4AAOSwjkxgAP0 G

Now according to the Yankees Ticket Dating Guide this H Ticket should be for 1940

https://keymancollectibles.com/tickets/1940sgrandstanddatingguide.htm

But you can see the attached note has 1943, and if you pull up game 60 from 1943 the Ticket matches the Sept 5, 1943 game info, so these are 1943 tix, not 1940:

https://keymancollectibles.com/tickets/1943yankeeshomeschedule.htm

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/1943-schedule-scores.shtml

Thus I'm gonna stand by saying that Guide has quite a few errors.

[Shoeless Moe]

more proof the "Guide" is botched:

Explain this Shakir.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353617660337?hash=item52554149b1%3Ag%3A%7EqEAAOSwW k9hErZN&nma=true&si=BOfidtqPhMH7ax5CXLcZrHYD8y0%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

This stub "attached" to the scrapbook paper WITH the Box score and game recap, says 1937.

Your "guide"

https://keymancollectibles.com/tickets/1930sstadiumdatingguide.htm

says this MUST be 1936 in that the NYC only appeared one year on tickets per your guide, 1936.

So how could a stub with articles attached from a scrapbook show its from 1937.

GUIDE IS BOTCHED FOLKS

[Snapolit1]

This thread was quite a read. I enjoyed it. A good 15 round heavyweight fight of sorts.

[Shoeless Moe]

This thread was quite a read. I enjoyed it. A good 15 round heavyweight fight of sorts.

"Down goes Shakir, down goes Shakir, down goes Shakir!!!!!!"

[steve B]

On that most recent one, the NYC removed is described as being on the back.

[Shoeless Moe]

On that most recent one, the NYC removed is described as being on the back.

Inconsequential.

These are blank back stubs.

These type stubs are not shown (should have been included, but not there, why, ask the Guide Master) on the Keyman Guide Site, they show Bleacher, Grandstand, & Stadium, but the info (The Printing Company) and premise should follow to any of the stubs.

These stubs had all the info on the front and the Guide saying the "NYC" was removed on the 1937 stubs (regardless of front or back) is just plain wrong as you can see from my screenshot of the 1937 one attached to a scrapbook paper with 1937 game info.

David argument of info being written wrong on stubs (which granted can happen and did from time to time) can NOT be disputed here. Nothing is written, it's the newspaper showing the date.

I have zero doubts the guide while correct on some years is also very wrong on some years, David knows this as well and has admitted such in this thread. Problem is there are so many tickets slabbed wrong by PSA, it's a giant mess, but rather then fix people just take whatever PSA puts on the label to be correct, and boy it is not in regards to undated Yankees stubs.

[Snapolit1]

It’s really cool that the one dude created this resource. I have used it. But if there are aspects of it that are wrong, shouldn’t anyone pointing out problems with it just be met with a huge thank you, I’ll look into it kind of response? And if you look into it and agree, change it. And if you ultimately don’t agree, have a dialog. Maybe you reach consensus, maybe you dont. Seems hard to believe this screaming match has gone on literally for years.

[ballparks]

Inconsequential.

These are blank back stubs.

These type stubs are not shown (should have been included, but not there, why, ask the Guide Master) on the Keyman Guide Site, they show Bleacher, Grandstand, & Stadium, but the info (The Printing Company) and premise should follow to any of the stubs.

These stubs had all the info on the front and the Guide saying the "NYC" was removed on the 1937 stubs (regardless of front or back) is just plain wrong as you can see from my screenshot of the 1937 one attached to a scrapbook paper with 1937 game info.

David argument of info being written wrong on stubs (which granted can happen and did from time to time) can NOT be disputed here. Nothing is written, it's the newspaper showing the date.

I have zero doubts the guide while correct on some years is also very wrong on some years, David knows this as well and has admitted such in this thread. Problem is there are so many tickets slabbed wrong by PSA, it's a giant mess, but rather then fix people just take whatever PSA puts on the label to be correct, and boy it is not in regards to undated Yankees stubs.


There are SO MANY tickets of many sorts that are slabbed incorrect by PSA. It's a complete schlimazel. Why anyone wants to slab a ticket and respected their assessment and grading of them is beyond me. It's a complete scam and the people who are doing this for them are not the experts by any stretch. It's a complete joke.

[Shoeless Moe]

There are SO MANY tickets of many sorts that are slabbed incorrect by PSA. It's a complete schlimazel. Why anyone wants to slab a ticket and respected their assessment and grading of them is beyond me. It's a complete scam and the people who are doing this for them are not the experts by any stretch. It's a complete joke.

You ain't kidding!

Here is one that was at Mile High Auctions:

https://www.milehighcardco.com/1934_Detroit_Tigers_Ticket_Stub_Lou_Gehrig__Lumbag-LOT64125.aspx

Ticket clearly July "15"

Well a simple check of baseball reference or a Google search shows he suffered that Lumbago Attack and batted leadoff then left game on July "14"

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET193407140.shtml


https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/july-14-1934-tigers-g-men-pull-off-a-miracle-against-yankees/

July 15 game he has 4 at bats:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET193407150.shtml


How does PSA botch that???

[doug.goodman]

How does PSA botch that???

Because they are f'ing stupid OR they don't care OR both.

Doug "it takes one to know one" Goodman

[mrreality68]

Because they are f'ing stupid OR they don't care OR both.

Doug "it takes one to know one" Goodman

That is more than a little scary

So much for checks and balances

Or checking your work

[ballparks]

Because they are f'ing stupid OR they don't care OR both.

Doug "it takes one to know one" Goodman

Both, plus you forgot GREEDY and LAZY.

[David Atkatz]

actually ticket shown is 100% 1923 was slabbed WRONGLY in 2010 pre keyman dating guide 2014Only 1923 tickets have a Canada Dry advert on the back.

[mcgwirecom]

I saw some of those blank backed stubs being sold on Ebay. The seller stated that if they had N.Y.C. on the bottom they had to be from 1936. I bought several of these type stubs last year that were still attached to the scrapbook page. I only bought them because I figured the scrapbook page would serve as a way to date them definitively. However I have a couple from 1940 with the N.Y.C. at the bottom. I told the seller about this and his answer was that "mine were leftover 1936 tickets they used again in 1940". I do not think that is the case. I think the Keyman dating criteria is fine for what it says it is, grandstand and bleacher seat. These blank backs are what I believe as "tax receipts" for people who were let into the game either comped or with a pass of some kind.

[ooo-ribay]

And your welcome for the bone I threw you last night, now pick up the mic zip up your pants. I have a few more questions.

1. What English teacher passed you? Any post of yours containing more then 20 words my brain gets exhausted and just gives up. How you wrote any guide is beyond me, are you sure someone else didn't write it for you and you take credit?



D’oh! :p

edit: I’m on neither side of this feud. Makes for good reading, though.

[Shoeless Moe]

Here's one up on Ebay (ignore the sellers assinine price)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/294508119688?hash=item44920d4688:g:e2wAAOSw~z1hfad L

Info written on the back, generally reliable, especially when it's not saying it's some historic game, is for a DH on July 29, 1951.

PSA on the front put it to 1950 Whitey Ford's first win.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/1951-schedule-scores.shtml


PSA & Guide wrong or original ticket holder who went to the game and wrote unimportant game info on the back of it wrong?

[doug.goodman]

PSA & Guide wrong or original ticket holder who went to the game and wrote unimportant game info on the back of it wrong?

Come on Paul, the answer is SO obvious...

Doug "sarcasm" Goodman