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Snapolit1
03-16-2018, 11:27 AM
The Jackie Robinson story weaved through this sent chills down my spine. If you've ever doubted the importance of Jackie Robinson to the history of this country read this obituary of Ed Charles to the end. Sounds like a scene from a Hollywood movie. Wow.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/obituaries/ed-charles-a-mainstay-of-the-miracle-mets-dies-at-84.html

bbcard1
03-16-2018, 11:43 AM
The Jackie Robinson story weaved through this sent chills down my spine. If you've ever doubted the importance of Jackie Robinson to the history of this country read this obituary of Ed Charles to the end. Sounds like a scene from a Hollywood movie. Wow.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/obituaries/ed-charles-a-mainstay-of-the-miracle-mets-dies-at-84.html

Jackie Robinson, because he is an athlete, is underrated as a great American and uniter of men. I am not sure anyone ever did a better job of bringing all people together to celebrate our humanity than did Jackie Robinson.

clydepepper
03-16-2018, 11:51 AM
The Jackie Robinson story weaved through this sent chills down my spine. If you've ever doubted the importance of Jackie Robinson to the history of this country read this obituary of Ed Charles to the end. Sounds like a scene from a Hollywood movie. Wow.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/obituaries/ed-charles-a-mainstay-of-the-miracle-mets-dies-at-84.html



That's because it WAS a scene from a Hollywood movie (In '42')

The scene portrayed in the movie never actually occurred, but it did make it into the movie...what a surprise, huh. But, pretty neat all the same.

https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/cooperstown-confidential-ed-charles-and-42/


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steve B
03-16-2018, 01:39 PM
Sorry, behind a paywall. Could have been interesting.

Snapolit1
03-16-2018, 01:45 PM
Sorry, behind a paywall. Could have been interesting.

Sorry, didn't realize that.

Snapolit1
03-16-2018, 01:49 PM
Ed Charles, the heart and soul of the Miracle Mets of 1969, died on Thursday at his home in East Elmhurst, Queens. He was 84.
His daughter-in-law, Tomika Charles, confirmed the death, saying he had been ill for several years.
Charles was a vital member of the Mets team that suddenly jelled during the 1969 season, winning the World Series in one of the most surprising surges in baseball history and endearing themselves forever to fans who had suffered through the team’s wretched play since its beginning, just seven years earlier.
The Mets’ players relied on the smile and the wisdom of Charles, who was then 36.
“Ed Charles was this guy, you wanted to sit on his knee and hear how he made it,” Ron Swoboda, the right fielder on the 1969 team, said in a telephone interview on Thursday. He added: “He had a physical and emotional grace that most of us didn’t seem to feel. He would say, ‘Don’t wrestle with what looks like complexity.’”
Edwin Douglas Charles was born in Daytona Beach, Fla., on April 29, 1933, a time of racial segregation in Florida. But he took heart as a teenager when he spotted Jackie Robinson in town as a Montreal Royal farmhand during spring training in 1946. Robinson was expected to become the 20th century’s first black player in the major leagues.
Charles dropped out of school in his teens but returned as a football and baseball star, attracting scholarship offers. He hoped to play in the Negro leagues, but in the emerging age of integration he got a tryout with the Boston Braves.
George McQuinn, the manager of the Braves’ Quebec City farm team, took him north, to cold weather and the odd experience of rooming with a white family.
Charles in the Shea Stadium locker room after a game in 1967. Credit Larry C. Morris/The New York Times
Charles’s way to the majors was blocked by Eddie Mathews, the Braves’ future Hall of Fame third baseman, but he also saw lesser infielders called up.
He made it to the majors after being traded to the Kansas City Athletics in 1962. That year he finished second in voting for the American League Rookie of the Year award.
At 34, Charles was traded to the Mets in 1967, when they were still staggering along at the bottom of the league.
In a game weeks after joining the team, he went to his left and snagged a hard shot before it could go past him, impressing the rookie left-handed pitcher Jerry Koosman so much that Koosman walked toward third base.
“He was sort of flabbergasted that I’d made the play,” Charles recalled in 2009. “He said, ‘You sort of glide to the ball. That’s it. You’re the Glider from now on.’”
The nickname did indeed stick.
In 1968, the Mets brought in Gil Hodges, the old Brooklyn favorite, as manager. Setting an example by accepting his role as a platoon player, playing mainly against left-handed pitchers, Charles hit .207 in 61 games in 1969. But he had several crucial hits as the Mets won their division, the first league championship series (instituted after the league expanded), and then beat the powerful Baltimore Orioles in the World Series in five games.
Charles lunging for a ball hit by Bob Aspromonte of the Houston Astros in 1968. Credit Ernie Sisto/The New York Times
As the final out settled into the glove of Cleon Jones in left field at Shea Stadium, Charles raced toward the mound and leapt in the air, a beatific smile on his face.
Charles was known to write and recite poetry, and as part of the Mets’ celebration in Bryant Park in Manhattan, he read a prayer-poem he had written while stuck in the minors in 1961. Part of it went, “Grateful to You I’ll always be/ For exploiting my talents for the world to see.”
But he never played in the majors again. The Mets released him after the ’69 season and offered him a job in promotions, but after a dispute over $5,000 for moving expenses he returned home to Kansas City. Eventually moving to New York, he worked in various jobs and patched things up with the Mets, scouting and coaching for them in the minor leagues.
He passed a Civil Service test in 1985 and worked with troubled youth at a home in the Bronx.
“You’d see a kid trying to hurt himself, banging his head against the wall because somebody embarrassed him,” Charles said. “You’d see a kid who wouldn’t want to admit he can’t write. The department teaches us to pick up the phone and call for help.”
In his spare time, Charles settled into the role of beloved former Met, sometimes representing the club at baseball conventions and autograph shows, showing up for old-timers’ days and at the emerging fantasy camps, and even taking part in an academic conference at Hofstra University in 2012.
Moving to Queens, he took care of an elderly relative, Sarah Lou Parker, then inherited her apartment, where he died.
Charles, who was divorced, is survived by his longtime companion, Lavonnie Brinkley; two sons, Edwin and Eric; a sister, Virginia Charles; and a brother, Charlie.
Charles was always eager to talk about his brushes with Jackie Robinson, starting with the sighting in Daytona Beach in 1946.
Charles also recounted a story of how he later spotted Robinson, who was by then on the Brooklyn Dodgers’ roster, on a train.
The Dodgers were in Florida playing an exhibition, and Charles and several friends “peered through openings in the fence,” he recalled in “Carrying Jackie’s Torch: The Players Who Integrated Baseball — and America,” by Steve Jacobson (2007).
After the game, the Dodgers prepared to leave from the railroad station.
“So now we’re walking down the platform, looking in the windows trying to see where Jackie was seated,” Charles said. “Finally we come to the right coach, and there is Jackie, playing cards. We waved and, you know, he waved back to us.”
“Then the train starts pulling out,” he went on, “and we start slowly walking with it, just waving to Jackie. The train picked up speed. We kept running and waving till the train got out of sight.”
“Things like that, you know, I can recall so vividly,” he said, “because they were very special moments in my life and in the life of the country. It was like the Messiah had come.”

steve B
03-16-2018, 04:21 PM
Thanks Steve !

That's really a wonderful story.

Steve D
03-16-2018, 06:20 PM
That's because it WAS a scene from a Hollywood movie (In '42')

The scene portrayed in the movie never actually occurred, but it did make it into the movie...what a surprise, huh. But, pretty neat all the same.

https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/cooperstown-confidential-ed-charles-and-42/


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Actually, Ed Charles and his friends seeing Jackie and running with the train DID HAPPEN. Here's the quote from the fangraphs.com story you linked:

"The biggest revelation for me, however, came toward the end of the film, when a graphic explained that one of Robinson’s youngest fans in the film, an African-American child who lived in Florida, turned out to be future major leaguer Ed Charles. As Robinson departed spring training on a train in 1946, the young Charles led a group of enthusiastic young rooters bidding their new hero farewell. Charles waived to Robinson. Robinson waived back. Within 15 years, Charles himself would take his place in the major leagues."

"Charles did not have enough money to buy a ticket, but he watched Robinson from beyond a chain link fence in left field. “To a kid growing up in Daytona Beach,” Charles once told the Newark Star-Ledger, “in a world where we lived with our own form of apartheid—Jim Crowism—it was like a miracle.”

"While the film shows Charles receiving an autographed ball from Robinson at the train station, that kind of interaction never happened. Typically, after a Royals game at City Island Ball Park, Charles’ friends ran for the clubhouse door, where they asked Jackie to give them autographs. But Charles didn’t feel it was right to approach Robinson and ask for his signature. “He was like a god to me,” Charles told the New York Daily News, “and that [asking for an autograph] wasn’t something you did with someone like that.”


What did NOT happen, is Ed Charles getting an autographed baseball from Jackie; that scene in the movie was made up.

Steve

Snapolit1
03-16-2018, 06:26 PM
Exactly why I generally don't watch these movies. You get incredibly moved by something and then find out afterwards that half the stuff in the movie was made or heavily embellished.

George
03-17-2018, 02:29 PM
I will never forget seeing Jackie Robinson at a doubleheader at the Polo Grounds in New York, on the Fourth of July in 1956. The Dodgers were the reigning World Champions,full of big stars, including Duke Snider, PeeWee Reese, Gil Hodges, Roy Campanella, Carl Furillo, Carl Erskine and Don Newcombe, but none were bigger than the great Jackie Robinson. I looked forward very much to seeing him, because he was getting older, his playing time was much reduced, and 1956 was widely rumored to be his last year (which turned out to be true). My father took me to the doubleheader early, because we loved to watch batting practice before the game, and we saw Snider, Campanella, Hodges and Willie Mays of the Giants hit ball after ball into the stands on both sides. But Jackie Robinson, to my great disappointment, was nowhere to be seen. Finally, after practice was over, perhaps thirty minutes before game time, we saw Robinson walk down the steps of the clubhouse, which was located in straightaway center field, and onto the grass of the playing field, from where he walked slowly and directly toward the Dodger dugout, which I believe was on the first base side of the infield. Jackie Robinson had a very distinct manner of walking, in which he sort of raised his knees higher than normal, and looked as though he was marching, rather than merely being out for a stroll. Everyone in the stands watched him, as he traversed the 500 feet or so from the distant clubhouse to the Dodger dugout, and he got a standing ovation from everyone, including the Giants fans, who were probably actually in the minority on that day.

The Dodgers, to my delight, won both games, I think by scores of 10-0 and 11-1, with Duke Snider hitting three home runs. Jackie Robinson played, but did nothing remarkable. But just the opportunity to watch him walk in was worth the price of admission (which was $2.10).

Dewey
03-17-2018, 02:33 PM
Great memory, George. Thanks so much for sharing.

ls7plus
03-18-2018, 03:08 AM
Jackie Robinson, because he is an athlete, is underrated as a great American and uniter of men. I am not sure anyone ever did a better job of bringing all people together to celebrate our humanity than did Jackie Robinson.

His birthday should be a national holiday--he gave black and white kids--matter of fact, all kids, the same heroes!

Regards,

Larry