View Full Version : Need help please with photos ref from 1947 Dodgers/Ebbets field
GoCubsGo32
03-02-2018, 02:46 PM
Hey Everyone! :)
Playing detective today, and need the board help please. I have a candid snapshot of Jackie Robinson, that I believe is from either Opening Day 1947 ( his MLB debut) or 1947 World Series during his rookie season.
Mainly leaning towards 1947 WS, but didn't want to rule out his MLB debut, just yet.
Key clues, the red/white/blue decorative banner hanging on the Ebbets Field rails and the billboards...(Mainly the Coca Cola Classic ad).
Here's the snapshot
https://i.imgur.com/dY723PK.jpg?1
Does anyone have any pictures of Jackie Robinson or Ebbets Field during his MLB Debut 4/15/47? Or Ebbets Field in general from 1947? I don't know how often they switch out billboard ads, since that's a huge clue in time frame.
accidental
03-02-2018, 03:05 PM
Hey Everyone! :)
Playing detective today, and need the board help please. I have a candid snapshot of Jackie Robinson, that I believe is from either Opening Day 1947 ( his MLB debut) or 1947 World Series during his rookie season.
Mainly leaning towards 1947 WS, but didn't want to rule out his MLB debut, just yet.
Key clues, the red/white/blue decorative banner hanging on the Ebbets Field rails and the billboards...(Mainly the Coca Cola Classic ad).
Here's the snapshot
https://i.imgur.com/dY723PK.jpg?1
Does anyone have any pictures of Jackie Robinson or Ebbets Field during his MLB Debut 4/15/47? Or Ebbets Field in general from 1947? I don't know how often they switch out billboard ads, since that's a huge clue in time frame.
All I know is that it's not from opening day, Robinson wore a jersey with zipper on that date.
So, World Series is a definite possibility.
GoCubsGo32
03-02-2018, 03:18 PM
I found this Youtube video of the 1947 World Series...were you can see the Coca Cola Classic billboard in the video ( @ 3:42 mins into the video) matching up to my photo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X_lWmsZX3Y&t=229s
I notice the zipper jersey in this image when looking around, but wasn't sure why they would switch from zipper to bottom up...
I thought it was too hard to tell ( for me at least) whether my snapshot image was showing "zipper style" or "button up"
"zipper style" from Opening Day
https://i.imgur.com/g6s0GIx.jpg
1947 Jackie Robinson game used "bottom up" used in World Series
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-collectibles/uniforms/1947-jackie-robinson-game-worn-brooklyn-dodgers-rookie-color-barrier-jersey-mears-a9-photo-matched-with-family-provenance-/a/7220-50001.s
I'll give it a shot....I think it is from the 1947 World Series because of the signage.
The first is a Getty image that is supposed to be April 15 ,1947 against the Braves, provided Getty is accurate about the date. There is a different sign to the left of the Coca Cola
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-brooklyn-dodgers-vs-the-boston-braves-at-ebbets-field-brooklyn-ny-picture-id159884929
The second image is a wire photo of Cookie Lavagetto's hit and the signs and bunting match
http://www.richieunterberger.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/hit.jpg
The-Cardfather
03-02-2018, 10:53 PM
Hey Everyone! :)
Playing detective today, and need the board help please. I have a candid snapshot of Jackie Robinson, that I believe is from either Opening Day 1947 ( his MLB debut) or 1947 World Series during his rookie season.
Mainly leaning towards 1947 WS, but didn't want to rule out his MLB debut, just yet.
Key clues, the red/white/blue decorative banner hanging on the Ebbets Field rails and the billboards...(Mainly the Coca Cola Classic ad).
Here's the snapshot
https://i.imgur.com/dY723PK.jpg?1
Does anyone have any pictures of Jackie Robinson or Ebbets Field during his MLB Debut 4/15/47? Or Ebbets Field in general from 1947? I don't know how often they switch out billboard ads, since that's a huge clue in time frame.
I found the photo below on the "Parks of the Past" website (https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1qz5cp/parks_of_the_past_ebbets_field_brooklyn/). It is listed as "circa 1946" and had the same ad to the left of the Coca-Cola sign (I believe that it's for Lifebuoy soap.) Since Jackie didn't come up until '47, I would have to assume that the photo was taken early in the '47 season.
In Bob W's first photo, we no longer see the sign for Lifebuoy soap, but there is a sign in right field for the Movie "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty", which was released on August 4th, 1947. So I would have to assume that that photo was taken later in the '47 season.
tjb1952tjb
03-03-2018, 12:55 AM
Here's another image from Opening Day 1947. Does anyone happen to know who the uniformed player is in the dugout? He appears to be African American.
Another photo showing the scoreboard with 1946 on top with Robinson in zipper uni top.
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1a57cab4458134538b6fc8b9da69b5f625a6268a/c=211-0-2789-1938&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/04/13/Wilmington/Wilmington/635961575904024398-AP-470411062.jpg
jerseygary
03-03-2018, 11:00 AM
When writing the auction description for an Eddie Miksis Brooklyn Dodgers 1947 World Series worn jersey, I realized that it was a button front as opposed to the zipper style which was made for 1947. Looking through photos of the '47 season you can see both types worn by the team, and I wanted to know what the deal was. I had a talk with Eddie Miksis's son who told me that his dad wore a button up 1946 jersey during the 1947 because it fit him better than the new zippered ones. In fact his dad hated zippers and wouldn't wear anything with them throughout his personal life. He also shared that his mother, Eddie's wife, would custom tailor his uniforms every year so they had the loose fit he liked.
I wonder if all the guys shown with button up jerseys were on the team in 1946 (I haven't had time to study this) and either kept their old ones because they didn't like the zipper either, or weren't issued a new jersey by the team if their '46 set wasn't too worn out.
perezfan
03-03-2018, 11:37 AM
Here's another image from Opening Day 1947. Does anyone happen to know who the uniformed player is in the dugout? He appears to be African American.
it looks like Don Newcombe to me.
Dewey
03-03-2018, 12:07 PM
Here's another image from Opening Day 1947. Does anyone happen to know who the uniformed player is in the dugout? He appears to be African American.
The next black player was Dan Bankhead, the first black pitcher in MLB. He followed Jackie by four months. My guess is that that is a white player. Kinda looks like Dixie Walker to me, making this question especially ironic.
Dewey2007
03-03-2018, 12:34 PM
I agree. The player to the far left of the photo sitting in the dugout does look like Don Newcombe so if it his him then the date on this photo is obviously incorrect.
Here's another image from Opening Day 1947. Does anyone happen to know who the uniformed player is in the dugout? He appears to be African American.
Looks like Duke Snider to me....found another image taken the same time
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4648/38788685740_75425a7905_b.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4704/38788685930_5e1f9b8227_b.jpg
Dewey
03-03-2018, 01:54 PM
It is definitely an opening day 1947 pic. I think bobw is right on. Nice sleuthing. The rookie Snider.
Dewey2007
03-03-2018, 02:11 PM
I stand corrected with the blown up version of the pic. Definitely Duke Snider.
It is definitely an opening day 1947 pic. I think bobw is right on. Nice sleuthing. The rookie Snider.
whitehse
03-03-2018, 02:18 PM
All I know is that it's not from opening day, Robinson wore a jersey with zipper on that date.
So, World Series is a definite possibility.
What a great photo!
This must be a post game photo (or perhaps post batting practice) as that bat looks like it took in inside fastball to the handle and busted Robinson right on the fists.
GoCubsGo32
03-03-2018, 03:33 PM
I'll give it a shot....I think it is from the 1947 World Series because of the signage.
The first is a Getty image that is supposed to be April 15 ,1947 against the Braves, provided Getty is accurate about the date. There is a different sign to the left of the Coca Cola
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-brooklyn-dodgers-vs-the-boston-braves-at-ebbets-field-brooklyn-ny-picture-id159884929
The second image is a wire photo of Cookie Lavagetto's hit and the signs and bunting match
http://www.richieunterberger.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/hit.jpg
Thanks! Also, I know it's New York, but the guy next to Jackie is wearing a coat. Considering it was probably the first week of Oct...that would make sense too.
When writing the auction description for an Eddie Miksis Brooklyn Dodgers 1947 World Series worn jersey, I realized that it was a button front as opposed to the zipper style which was made for 1947. Looking through photos of the '47 season you can see both types worn by the team, and I wanted to know what the deal was. I had a talk with Eddie Miksis's son who told me that his dad wore a button up 1946 jersey during the 1947 because it fit him better than the new zippered ones. In fact his dad hated zippers and wouldn't wear anything with them throughout his personal life. He also shared that his mother, Eddie's wife, would custom tailor his uniforms every year so they had the loose fit he liked.
I wonder if all the guys shown with button up jerseys were on the team in 1946 (I haven't had time to study this) and either kept their old ones because they didn't like the zipper either, or weren't issued a new jersey by the team if their '46 set wasn't too worn out.
Really cool info there! I honestly couldn't figure it out, and it could just be they hated the zipper,lol...who would of thought it could be something so simple?
What a great photo!
This must be a post game photo (or perhaps post batting practice) as that bat looks like it took in inside fastball to the handle and busted Robinson right on the fists.
Great eye! Didn't notice that until now. Very cool!